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10weight

Help with designing a sound using Serum. Pretty basic question (hopefully).

I want to have Serum play a square wave and then use an envelope to increase the length of the wave table (I am probably not using the right words here, sorry...) so that a C3 note sounds like a constant tone but then morphs into a series of 'clicks'.

As if you were playing the sample many octaves down, but I want to retain the same pitch.

Anyone know how to do this?

Basically like this

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah

Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh

Booooo Booooo Booooo Booooo Booooo

Beeeeeeeeeee Beeeeeeeeeee Beeeeeeeeeee

Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa

Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu

Be Be Be Be

b b b b

Appreciate the above may be of limited use.

Posted Jan 16, 2015, 7:18 PM UTC

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steve_duda•

http://imgur.com/1R7n1Rh

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10weightOP•

That's basically what I had in mind, please can you share the patch ;-P

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DesSikshttps://soundcloud.com/decode-official-1•

This is just a thought as I'm laying in bed trying to sleep after a long night and not at my computer so I haven't tested it out. I only know ableton, but if you want the second sound (the clicks) to sound like its lower pitched but not, why not record the square wave playing at the lower pitch, then make sure the clip is warped with complex pro to retain the formants, then tune it up to the actual pitch you want it to be at.

i've used this method when a particular patch sounds funky on certain notes, sounds perfect when only adjusting the pitch by a couple semitones, but not sure how good that would sound since you'll be adjusting the pitch a couple octaves, might have to play with the warp settings?

So basically, record the sound wave playing at the pitch that has the tone you want, then warp it so it will try to retain the same tone when pitch it up. Then you could use that clip to create your own wavetable using the two sounds youre wanting to morph between.

Not even sure if that would work but it's the first thing i thought of to try.

I'd love to know how you pull it off when you finally get it though. I like working on this kind of stuff though so if youre still working on it sunday night i'll be home and able to actually try shit out.

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Aerocitysoundcloud.com/aerocitymusic•

You're my favorite.

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RomanticFarce•

unwashed... wildebeest anuses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr4Yn1QbJc0

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nickert0nsoundcloud.com/nickert0n•

What the fuck

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polyponicMODwww.soundcloud.com/zerozerodnb•

this belongs in the how do i make this sound thread, but i'm leaving it up.

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10weightOP•

Sorry, new to this. Much appreciated.

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Synthlover•

Its being left up because the creator of serum is the top comment. Haha

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polyponicwww.soundcloud.com/zerozerodnb•

i actually posted that before steve. its just wonderful.

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Synthlover•

Even better lol

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nickert0nsoundcloud.com/nickert0n•

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/25155057.jpg

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hrrldhttps://soundcloud.com/hrrld•

All time best post on this sub.

I hope you eventually make every sound your heart desires. 8)

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CuntSmasher3000https://soundcloud.com/user656568248•

Something like this http://www16.zippyshare.com/v/arLT3uqJ/file.html ?

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Oo0o8o0oO•

If I understand OP correctly, your bass in the beginning should be more bass-y and your snare at the end could use some more snaring. I don't know what that was, but surely it was not Soup.

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CuntSmasher3000https://soundcloud.com/user656568248•

I'm still recovering from trying to translate

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Bugh Booooo Booooo Booooo Booooo Booooo Beeeeeeeeeee Beeeeeeeeeee Beeeeeeeeeee Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Bu Be Be Be Be b b b b

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Oo0o8o0oO•

Least you know its in the key of B.

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CuntSmasher3000https://soundcloud.com/user656568248•

I've fucking nailed it! http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/zoB2prQq/file.html

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10weightOP•

Yes, just like that!

What I would change is the length so it goes from a solid tone to the 'clicks' following a kick/snare pattern (kick is solid tone, snare is click).

Why I want it in a synth though is so I can pitch bend, having the kicks low and the clips higher, mirroring the tuning between a regular kick and snare.

How did you make that?

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ha11ey•

Skip to 18 min mark

http://www.mixcloud.com/rakielis/mx3-h3/

Like that?

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10weightOP•

Fuck me, that's almost exactly what I'm after. DO you know how it's done?

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ha11ey•

I'd try using a really deep note on some kind of pulse and then also try and use that waveform for modulation of the volume of a higher note. I've been trying to remake that part as well actually.

edit:

Init

Set the first osc to (analog) PWM DS and WT POS to around 80%, 3 octaves down, and reduce its volume to 0. Osc B = analog/SawroundedToSquare. Set the bend knob (defaults to off) to FM from A and turn it all the way up.

Then play a D2. Maybe add some LFOs to the WTPOS on osc 1. Try turning its volume back up some. Mess with other wave forms in osc b.

edit 2:

with some more fiddling, I'm responsible for this awful sound

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/z6q8254b4w76rad/blurps.mp3

edit 3:

ended up making this so far...

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/yethnlt1oc1o13l/territory3.mp3

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Isogashhttps://soundcloud.com/funrom•

Oh I see, use a kickdrum, and loop it at a super speed. Then changing the pitch will do that. Otherwise, you can try a pulse wave, which is basically a square wave with variable square widths.

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Holy_City•

I'm leaning towards this not being possible in serum. What you can do is make your sound, use a beat repeater to speed it up, then use a combination of automation to get smooth transitions.

You can also do this in some granular synths. No idea how, but I've heard it done before and read about it. check out The Messenger 2012 by Infected Mushroom where they did this, but in the opposite direction.

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10weightOP•

That's it. Not quite as extreme as I need it but that is it!

I can be done :-)

Thanks!

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ACEDEF•

In Ableton, you can freeze a sustained note of information, bounce it to audio with "flatten", and then use the warp function to do something similar. First tell Ableton the tempo of the clip is 2-4x what it actually is Set the warp mode to "tones", and then automate the uhhh, grain size I think? in the envelope window (hit the little "E" button in the bottom left of the warp screen). Automate it from a small grain size to a large one and you should get something similar.

edit: You could even automate the amount of timestretching somehow? I think? Maybe use a sampler and an extreme pitch envelope as another option (like from 0 to -48 semitones). What I am saying is you need not work only inside your synth.

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DesSikshttps://soundcloud.com/decode-official-1•

Didn't see this comment before I posted but my idea was similar, just record the wave at the pitch that has the tone you want then warp it to retain the formants and pitch it up to where you want it. I wasn't sure how well it would work since it's changing pitch a couple octaves, though I was suggesting complex pro, haven't used the granular one much, so that one might be better.

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ACEDEF•

I got the idea from a YouTube video about making weird clicking rhythms as the grains start to freak out. I think Complex Pro will also work

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PoonTunes429https://soundcloud.com/aaronaharper•

lmao.... That last part. I love how genuine you were about it too.

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10weightOP•

It's no joke, I've got a new style in mind but it technically exceptionally difficult to make.

Basically it should sound like a single tone that's both the kick and snare, with no interruption other than a filter to give shape.

The tone/clip variance will be how you can hear the difference between the kick and snare.

Kick is tone, share is clip.

Very hard to describe....

Anyway, if I ever make it it will be called 'soup'.

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PoonTunes429https://soundcloud.com/aaronaharper•

I'm just having a hard time painting a picture in my head. I'd love to help but am not sure in this case. At least you got a name for it. lol. You're well on your way.

Good Luck, Seriously.

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10weightOP•

Maybe this will help

Imagine saying "brrrrrrrrrrr' but you roll your r's like in Russian. Like a drum roll.

The what happens is over time the r's become more and more spaced out. Like time is slowing down.

Have tried time stretching but it's nowhere near crisp enough. It needs to be synthesised.

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Ferret_on_meth•

You mean play a long note that is held gradually getting broken into individual notes? Because if so I want to achieve that too. Beat repeat maybe?

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sciencefactssoundcloud.com/plaeground•

Not sure if troll or dumbest thread ever.

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korsini•

You could modulate the sustain on the amp envelope on a mod knob. Or put a low pass filter and modulate the cutoff for a longer sound and the sustain to turn it from a pluck to a long note.

As far as the multiple notes to longer ones.. This is more of how you play it. You could automate the note repeat on an plugin or something I guess if you didn't want to play them?

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10weightOP•

Nice, didn't think of this but it makes far more sense than what I had been attempting. My challenge will be with notation though as for the sustain to give the 'gated' effect new notes will be required moving from a tone to a clip. I think this could be very tricky.

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korsini•

I mean there might be an easier way of getting that ticking effect making it turn from a synth to a clicking noise.. Try automating the sustain as well as an lfo on the cutoff. Start with a long sustain and a long lfo and as you automate the sustain down bring the lfo speed up maybe.

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10weightOP•

Ah, yes. Get it. Nice. WIll have a try!!!

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Rudeulfhttps://soundcloud.com/rudecnt•

Bugh's + Bah's + Beee's = good sound

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10weightOP•

If only I could make it...

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Oo0o8o0oO•

Open up your microphone and make the sound with your mouth so we know what you're talking about.

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10weightOP•

CuntSmasher3000 has a reasonable representation

http://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2snoho/help_with_designing_a_sound_using_serum_pretty/cnr9e0q?context=3

My reply

http://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2snoho/help_with_designing_a_sound_using_serum_pretty/cnr9v1a

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findMyWay•

Try using a sawtooth LFO on a lowpass filter cuttoff, and change the rate of the LFO (non tempo-synced) over time. Fuck with the filter resonance and drive for even more variations.

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oofam•

Sample a square wave at the lowest c that you are envisioning so you get that clicking sound. Then loop the sample extremely rapidly, you should get more of a tone. As you slow down the speed of the looping, your sound will morph toward the original clicky sound.

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KimonoThief•

Tried to do something close - Link

Instead of a square wave I used some random bass sample, threw it in FL's granulizer, automated some crap, threw a gross beat on top, and automated that as well. Pic

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rmandraquesoundcloud.com/goroctopus•

You are just pitching it down, but you dont want to pitch shift it, so have two synths or two ocsilators, one lower than the other and fade from one to the other.....and hopefuly that sounds like that.

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prolific13•

r/edmprodcirclejerk

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10weightOP•

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