MSNBC just announced Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders will be live on air at 1PM EST.
Their anchor just said they will have both candidates live at 1pm. Should be interesting.
Posted Jan 13, 2016, 3:50 PM UTC
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Links for those who missed it, this wasn't a debate and they were not on air at the same time.
Sanders: http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/sen.-bernie-sanders-one-on-one-with-msnbc-601192515934
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Ugh, politics reporting is so gross.
To Trump: "What about how Cruz isn't a citizen?"
To Bernie: "Doesn't your party hate you and didn't Hillary just say you hate gun control and good healthcare?"
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MSNBC is pretty shitty. There's a reason people call it the FOX of the left.
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It really is the FOX News of the left. I always tell this to my Liberal friends and they get upset.
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And then Salon is Breitbart?
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How can you say it's the Fox of the left when the example above is a softball to Trump while Sanders' gets accusations disguised as questions?
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Because both FOX and MSNBC are pulling for the establishment candidates of their related parties?
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Except Fox gets 20 times more viewers.
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Thanks, the way it was discussed and promoted they put language in there to bait and switch.
"Today at 1pm EST we will have both Trump and Bernie on the show, you don't want to miss this."
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Pfff that's lame. I wanted to see them go at it.
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Well, you might still get to later this year.
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the more I actually listen to Trump interviews the more I like him. The fuck is happening to me!?!
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He's really not as bad as reddit says. Young people have just been conditioned to think that "Repukelicans" are bad.
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Not really. Maybe he's not as bad as some places on Reddit make him out to be, but he's still easily one of the worst, if not the worst candidate out of the entire field.
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No qualifications whatsoever. Trump has no experience with the political system. I know the "outsider" appeal makes people think this is a good thing, but it's plain crazy to put someone with no experience in the field in one of the most important positions in that field. You wouldn't hire a law intern to become chief of medicine in a hospital. You wouldn't hire a history major to become fellow in a major law firm. Putting Trump in the presidential seat is on a similar level.
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No charisma. His speeches ramble on and on without getting to the point whatsoever. He uses the same tropes over and over again, without saying anything in the end.
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Horrible policies. A tax plan that creates enormous debt at the expense of the poor and with windfalls for the rich. Unrealistic immigration policy that is both practically unworkable and enormously expensive, not to mention (with regards to the Muslim ban) immoral. Insane foreign policy: at times he seems non-interventionist, and then he calls for genocide on family members of ISIS members. Even on healthcare, where the meme is that he supports single-payer and is thus "moderate" he has come out in favor of repealing Obamacare for a "free-market" based approach.
People see the outrage about Trump being racist and xenophobic etc. etc. and either dislike him or like him for that, but fail to see that, disregarding his controversial statements, the man is still completely unfit to be president.
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Except leading businesses and being a CEO of large companies and you know being responsible for his work unlike politician, makes him a better bet than all the gaggle of geese. No being in charge of large multi-national multi-billion dollar empire and being put in administering the US isn't that far off.
If you think Trump lacks charisma your a fucking idiot, His rambeling works to his advantage.
Great policies, Also the law is the law you and all your illegal family members have to go back. There is nothing immoral about deporting invaders or blocking Islamic invasion. ISIS family members should die the same as their soldier boys, you can only kill the caliphate by killing everyone inside of it.
Trump is the best fit for the president, strength and booming charisma, a man doesn't draw 20,000 people to rallies with ease by not being charismatic, he doesn't have a wonderous tv show without charisma.
Don't worry maybe if you start begging president trump won't deport you.
How is enforcing immigration law immoral btw? There people aren't Americans, and we can use our economic power as bludgeon to either force Mexico to pay for the wall or collapse the Mexican economy, both are poistive and once remittances start being confiscated we can all be happy.
DJ Trump is gonna turn his whip on the enemies of our nation, forgien and domestic like CAIR is a supporter of ISIS
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No qualifications whatsoever
He's using that to his advantage, and making it a selling point. He's never had history with politics, and people want him because he's never dabbled in the corrupt political groups.
No charisma
Yeah, he sucks at speaking. He has no idea what he's saying. However, people don't care. They'll support him because he's willing to say what he does.
Horrible policies
Most definitely. There are a lot of candidates who have at least one good policy. Cruz has some good ones. Sanders has some good ones. Hillary has some good ones. I can't think of a single Trump policy which is actually good/better than the other candidates.
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No qualifications whatsoever. Trump has no experience with the political system. I know the "outsider" appeal makes people think this is a good thing, but it's plain crazy to put someone with no experience in the field in one of the most important positions in that field. You wouldn't hire a law intern to become chief of medicine in a hospital. You wouldn't hire a history major to become fellow in a major law firm. Putting Trump in the presidential seat is on a similar level.
No previous qualifications prepare you for being president. Being president prepares you for being president. I feel Trump would appoint some solid people in his cabinet, also Trump is beholden to no man, he will answer only to himself and the American people!
no charisma. His speeches ramble on and on without getting to the point whatsoever. He uses the same tropes over and over again, without saying anything in the end.
Trump rallies are amazing and draw thousands day in and day out. No other candidate in the field has 5% of the charisma Trump has.
Horrible policies. A tax plan that creates enormous debt at the expense of the poor and with windfalls for the rich. Unrealistic immigration policy that is both practically unworkable and enormously expensive, not to mention (with regards to the Muslim ban) immoral. Insane foreign policy: at times he seems non-interventionist, and then he calls for genocide on family members of ISIS members. Even on healthcare, where the meme is that he supports single-payer and is thus "moderate" he has come out in favor of repealing Obamacare for a "free-market" based approach.
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A tax plan that saves me money sounds good to me.
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It's not a change in immigration policy, it's kicking out criminals who are trespassing on US soil. Enforcing laws that are on the books, how outrageous.
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It's not Americas obligation and "moral" duty to accept any immigrants at all. If we don't want Communists, we won't let in Communists. Right now we don't want Muslims for completely obvious reasons. It's as easy as saying no and American society is safer because of it.
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I'm sorry, but to cite just one example:
Trump supporters beat the crap out of a Latino guy, because they think he's an immigrant. Does Trump respond by saying this is out of line? Condemning racist behavior? Anything near what we'd ask from a leader? Nope: His response was (barely paraphrasing) 'Yeah, a lot of my supporters are real enthusiastic.'
That's just one of many examples. It has nothing to do with conservatism or being a republican. Hell, even Dick Cheney is saying this guy is a complete wack job.
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Maybe there's some value in a president not acting like they should get to police the behavior of individuals. I don't need Trump to come out and condemn someone I already know on my own is worthy of condemnation. It's dumb to look to presidents/candidates for a response to every little thing. Like you know full well what his reaction is, why do you want him to put on a show for you of expressing it?
And of course Dick Cheney doesn't like him. Something would be amiss if he did.
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Ron Paul was asked to "police" certain supporters of his who were making (I believe) racist statements and acting on it. Obama supporters did bad things too. This doesn't make the candidates bad. It's not up to the candidate to control their supporters.
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Trump is glib and doesn't care about how people's feelings are going to be hurt by his words. Things he has said has directly insulted me a few times, oh well though no big, I'll still be voting for him because I believe he is the best man for the job.
It blows my mind all the hate Trump gets
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That is ridiculous.
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This should be at the top.
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Oh God Dammit. I would pay good money to see them debate.
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Could they have picked a time that would guarantee a smaller audience?
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At least it will be lunch time in Iowa.
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Is DWS still doing the scheduling?
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who cares. Bernie came out better here. #1, it was Bernie and Trump, not H-dawg and Trump. #2, Bernie actually got the better coverage thanks to his video feed and his strong opening attack on Clinton.
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I'm sure future watchings of the recordings will dwarf today's audience
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Trump media exposure doesn't follow your silly rules.
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Does it matter? It's going to be replayed all over the place.
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Is there a stream available somewhere? (legal)
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Or illegal, I'm happy to ask.
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We're not doing illegal streams
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Why do you hate fun?
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because i hate fun >.<
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http://www.msnbc.com/now - Gotta sign in with a cable provider login to watch it.
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Say what you want about the SOTU, but this is something they got right. When you opened the page, there was a highdef live YouTube stream at the top. It couldn't have been easier to watch online.
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I really appreciated that accessibility. I would love to see how many concurrent viewers that stream peaked at.
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anyone?
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I don't think it means at the same time. Usually they will just mean "in the 1 o'clock hour". I seriously doubt you will be getting them on at the same time and definitely not in any back and forth.
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That's exactly what is going on
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I'm surprised everyone on this thread seems to think a back and forth is about to happen. This kind of stuff doesn't happen in presidential elections.
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Someone tape it!
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1995 called. They want their VCR back!
/sickburn
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The jerk store called. They want you back.
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The ocean called. They're running out of shrimp!
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Well that's okay because you're their number one best seller.
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you mean, sickbern?
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No, he's Jewish I think...
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1995 called again. They also want their "they want their thing back" joke back.
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Winner gets the toupee
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Penn Jillette always says that it looks like cotton candy made of piss.
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If they interact, will the DNC punish Bernie for participating in an unsanctioned debate?
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there will be no interacting
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It's not a debate, it's an unstructured conversation with another politician on a variety of topics. It's not even a forum.
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Maybe there's a loophole in that the rules only call for a ban on debates within their own party, not against members of another party.
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Debate sanctions for unsanctioned debating.
We need a word for this sort of bitterly humorous situation. A less-educated person would say "ironic".
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I'm sure such an idiotic idiom is literally figurative
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A pun?
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DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE CENTURY
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I have NO idea why, but when I read this, I thought of this scene from the Simpsons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBllBd8BHSE
EDIT: Bernie would obviously be Drederick Tatum in this scenario.
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...with who being who?
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Bernie would obviously be Drederick Tatum.
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It's funny because you're completely wrong. If we see Trump and Bernie in a general election Trump will blow him out of the water - Bernie is the most radical candidate this country has seen in a long time and he's even more polarizing than Trump.
Hell, if it were Trump or Bernie I'd probably end up voting for Trump. His policies are leagues less drastic and though he's an insufferable asshole I also see him as more of a leader than Sanders. Sanders is so incredibly one-dimensional it's honestly frightening; everything is about income inequality with him. He doesn't know how to respond otherwise.
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It says a lot that there are people that would choose the raging racist business failure over the Democratic Socialist that wants to repair our fucked economy and move the US toward the basic social standards the rest of the developed world have enjoyed for decades like guaranteed healthcare for all.
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So you'd voluntarily pick the candidate where "everything is about" hating on immigrants, doing as little as humanly possible to help the middle class, and public humiliations?
"Leagues less drastic" in this case should be read as "policies that continue the same bullshit that will end in the US' near-inevitable ruin, all while we talk about how awesome we are at everything".
Trump is literally the definition of what it means to be a sinking ship.
Bernie is far from one-dimensional. He just focuses on income inequality because it's literally tearing the country apart. It's sad that you don't have a shred of compassion for the millions of people Bernie's policies would help.
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Guess they're not actually going to have them on at the same time :/
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Why the hell don't the campaigns just have pay-per-view debates? I'd pay $10 to see a Donald and Bernie showdown.
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I'll be at work. I really hope there'll be some way to watch this after the fact.
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MSNBC puts most of their stuff on their YouTube the same day
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Feel America bern again
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Well it's 1:43pm EST. Has it happened? Clips?
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Much appreciated.
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Oh... I thought they were on together. This makes more sense.
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This is political discussion, but if Bernie wins and Trump wins, Trump will win the Presidency. Bernie is about as radical as it gets in terms of promoting socialism.
One could argue that his type of socialism is not really bad. If you compare his suggestions in terms of spending versus the military spending. It is pretty small. BUT I think the type of nationalism that Trump is supporting seems to be appealing to some. I can see Trump calling Bernie a communist through out the whole campaign.
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Not a goddamn chance in hell Trump would beat Bernie.
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I'm a big Bernie supporter, but I too think Trump would win. Bernie hasn't exactly had great debate performances, and I'm honestly scared to see what he would be like against Trump.
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Most people recognize Trump is a racist blowhard. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders
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Look, I'm not doubting you or those polls, but I've never seen Trump's ability to yell and somehow end up convincing people he's right. Hopefully you're right, but I'll still be sitting here nervously.
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You don't want him to win against Bernie.
A lot of people would have said there is not a chance in hell that Trump would be top Republican polling for several months.
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Right now Bernie is winning against Trump in the polls, and that will only improve if Bernie defeats Clinton. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
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44/42 pretty close.
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Bernie would get labeled a communist so fast it would make your head spin. That isn't winning politics in most of America.
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We'll find out, I guess.
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Sauce?
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Yeah, no way are they going to be interacting. More likely they'll be interviewed separately, 15 minutes apart. And Trump will be on the phone, not in person. That's if anything happens at all. Because if it was the crossfire-style face-off we're hoping for, they'd be hyping the shit out of it. And also, like that other comment mentioned, it would probably break that unsanctioned debate rule.
Edit: Saw the promo. Yeah, I really doubt they'll be any interaction, sounds like two separate interviews in one show.
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it would probably break that unsanctioned debate rule.
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Wouldn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sorry, I meant to ask what that is
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It is just phone calls...
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Will they be following standard MMA rules, or will it be more WWE?
http://i.imgur.com/IbpwztR.gifv
I just became a Trump supporter.
I do like my leaders with zero fucks to give.
Just kidding. Trump is a huge asshole.
Is this what he plans to do to ISIS?
if he can get them to fall down and pretend he's punching them
How have I never seen this before with all the Trump talk?!
r/retiredgif
BWAHAHAHAHA
WTF!
Let's reflect on the fact that there is a non-zero chance this man becomes the President of the United States. Chief Diplomat and commander-in-chief of the most powerful military on the planet. This guy could literally have the ability to order a nuclear strike.
His hair didn't move at all
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I'm suddenly intimidated by Trump. He has a lot of energy for his age.
HELL IN A CELL!!!
I'm hoping for a tables, racism, inequality match
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Bah gawd that man has a family!
GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! THAT KILLED HIM!
STOP IT! JUST STOP IT!.... HE HAS A FAMILY!
BAH GAWD, THATS TED CRUZ'S MUSIC
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One of them has experience.
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"Mr. Trump, how will you handle any issues with Putin?"
"Let me show you a clip..."
It goes on to show Trump shaving the guys head.
It will call too much attention to Trump's "hair"
you forgot something
Well I mean, Trump has been in WWE.
I can see all future political debates of this season in the form of THE Batman V Superman movie:
SupermanClinton: looks proud, nationalistic and slightly intimidatingBatmanSanders: "Tell me. Do you bleed."LuthorJEB: Points randomly "that's someone you don't want to mess with."DoomsdayTrump: "Roars"I love that you chose a movie that features Wonder Woman and you made Hillary Clinton Superman instead.
I would counter that in the previous political narrative; Clinton was seen as invincible, some people labeling the Democratic nomination as a coronation with Clinton being the unquestionable Champion however recently our political narrative would suggest that Sanders a "mere mortal" compared to the prophesied Clinton machine challenged and won some skirmishes against the Clinton Juggernaut. Now I'm not well versed in Superman or Batman or Wonder Woman lore however I understand some of the popular ideas and I saw the recent popular trailer for the upcoming movie. Now my decent understanding of story telling would theorize that Batman and superman will fight over something in a david and goliath story arch when they finally unite in the end to fight the big monster Doomsday. I have not seen the unreleased movie. I acknowledge and am excited to see Wonder Woman but I do not know what her role in the movie would be and in all cannot conceive what current political person could fill the role of "third party good person." (I guess President Obama conceivably.) I was not looking for an allegory in terms of personality I doubt any candidate can relate to a superhero or amazon champion but for political power in the spectrum of american politics which I aimed to be in a vein of gender neutrality. It was more in the vein of humorous critiquing that two heroes who are currently fighting must unite to fight a monster that threatens all. I acknowledge that the roles are not perfect parallels I just found humor in the sense that the political humorism of Sanders making the immortal Hillary politically "bleed."
I agree with your choice; I'm actually complimenting your focus on the issues and matching the characters smartly rather than going with the obvious girl=girl choice.
Just because I love Wonder Woman: She's the daughter of Zues, effectively making her a demi-goddess. She is technically immortal and has weapons/armor crafted by the God Hephaestus himself. She is the heir to Themescara, an island devoted solely to training Amazonian-type female warriors.
Many heroes are the person first and the hero second. Examples:
Not Wonder Woman. She is not Diana Prince, she is Wonder Woman first. Her civilian life is her side gig.
In the upcoming movie, we've seen very little from the trailer, mainly her either fending off a block-shatter attack or creating one (doubtful on the later). We know that when her movie comes out in a few years, it'll feature Trevor, hopefully not as a love interest but as a partner to get her into civilian world.
Trump pulls of his mask to reveal...
He was Vince McMahon this whole time.
Roman gladiatorial style, probably.
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Trump has more practice
Early UFC rules