YiHi's 'Heating Core' Atomiser.
Posted Jan 19, 2016, 4:43 PM UTC
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- 2014: Year of the high wattage regulated mods
- 2015: Year of the sub ohm tank (also TC)
- 2016 : Year of the heating element
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Who knew technology was so advanced 1800 years ago.
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While temperature control did start getting big in 2015, I think it still has a long way to go before it's perfect. Maybe in 2016?
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Prebuilt coils are the problem IMO. So many of them are junk. Half of them won't heat evenly and hit temp protect immediately meaning you have to crank the temp way up eliminating the benefits. Tanks also have more points of contact and places for resistance to accumulate (keep your threads clean!) further fucking TC.
TC works wonderfully well with an experienced vaper and an RDA/RTA, but most vapers don't use those kind of devices.
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Building temperature control coils are a PITA though.
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Its as easy as kanthal with some SS! Currently using 317L for my fused claptons and Ive got them set at 400F @ 100W no problem.
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Always wondered why my lemo and the likes seem so finicky with my dna while the same build in an rda is fine. I might need to take a look at the threading on my rta's.
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"high-precision temperature control" + "prevent emergence of burnt taste" = "If burning cotton, depositing charred residue, or odor appears, just replace the cotton and then SX Pure can be a new heating core again"
lol
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You can probably get try hits outside of temp control.
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If it's not setup right you can gets dry/burnt hits in temp control too.
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Bingo
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Looks interesting but that blurb doesn't explain anything, so I suppose we'll have to wait and see. Also, I doubt they spent a "year of meticulous research." More like a couple weeks since the Altus was announced.
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31st Dec 2015 until yesterday can technically be considered one year...
Edit: a /s is probably needed for you guys...
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Nope
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No, but it can be considered 3 weeks and 5 days ago.
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Technically, you can say "I've been researching this since last year" and get away with starting at December 31st
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Where do I sign up for the pre order, I'm in as long as it's a better design than the Altus tank (top fill please).
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I like the top fill idea too. However, on my aromamizer, taking off the bottom deck to fill the 6mL tank, allows you to check on your coils and wicking. Instead of one thing to unscrew, there's two. If I fill it before I go somewhere, I rarely bring my juice bottle or extra batteries.
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The zephyrus v2 top fill thingy is actually the single best "feature" upgrade since adjustable airflow in my book.
No little parts to keep track of, no tools, no razor threads... just twist, fill, twist... it's actually simpler to fill the new zeph than it is to juice up a dripper.
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Is there an RTA version? I can't stand premades.
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I thought the zephyrus v2 is an rta? My v1 is most definitely focused on being an RTA considering the premade coils suck.
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It comes with a buildable coil head :)
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V1 and V2 come with an RBA section in the kit. I've had the V1 for a while now, and very rarely use the premade coils. The RBA deck on the V1 is little cramped, but it does a good job. It's very similar to the goblin mini deck. I love the way the cap on the RBA section and chimney go together. It makes for the most easily repeatable wicking process I've ever found.
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I have a Zephyrus v1 and I'm jealous of the v2's new top fill method. It was almost reason enough to buy one even though I'm quite happy with my v1.
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Original zephyrus got smashed, so I ordered a replacement and figured I'd also get a v2 as an upgrade/backup.
Expected the usual weird "upgrades", and the air flow didn't disappoint. the base is goofy now, there's an internal baffle that makes it harder to rinse, and the chimney is rifled, so slightly smaller, and between those two changes, it doesn't have the wicked good airflow the v1 does, despite the RDA deck having better air channels.
The top cap totally makes up for the weirdness though. Pure genius :)
Having said all that, I think I might see if the v2 head and top will work on the v1 base...
Update... NO, the v2 top and V1 bottom are not interchangeable... coil sits lower in the v2 base, assuming for more tank capacity. Everything assembles, but the glass is too short. Maybe I'll see if I can score a custom glass ;)
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Try a TFv4 sometime. Swivel open, swivel closed.
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Back when I tried to unsuccessfully build Genesis style with ceramic wicks I drew up a sketch for a ceramic type idea for coils. Basically what vaping donuts could or should have been. Casting a coil in ceramic with a hollow center that you would run your wicking material through. The dolphin tank I think is the best idea so far for ceramic use and only having to replace cotton and it can be dry burned.
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Vapin Donuts aka Altus aka Heating Core.
I'm going to let someone else gamble on this one first. For me, kanthal works and coilbuilding is actually kind of enjoyable.
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Found some pictures of it on aussie forum.
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Thats pretty nice, i love seeing some new innovation
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I agree. The most things they try the better it will get. Look at everything since the Egos came out. We basically went full circle to a high powered cotton filled cartomizer.
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Your post makes me kind of want an 18mm subohm carto. I wonder if you could make them cheap and reliable?
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Have you seen the Aspire Cleito? Basically a carto with a clapton inside. Scaling that up to 18mm shouldn't be too hard.
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The design that uses a processing chip to provide heat seems like a way better design compared to this.
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If you mean the Altus it has had a very poor reception. It wicks poorly even with 50/50 and it chars cotton in a matter of minutes.
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That I did not know! I saw a video of it in use an it looked pretty sweet, shame :(. Do you know how it is in TC mode?
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about the same as wattage mode just a cunt hair better.
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In TC mode it's very inaccurate. The ramp up time is abysmal and the flavour is meant to be appalling. Short lived hype on the Altus tank I'm afraid.
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That's a shame, it sounded so good :(.
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Yes!
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That's honestly because no one other than the guy from GUO knows how to properly use the stupid thing.
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lol, atleast the marketing suckered you into thinking it's some 'processing chip' it's just tungsten wire in ceramic. A flat square is a bad shape to wick for airflow.
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In the video I watched he described it as a chip and it looks like one and seems plausible so yeah I guess I ran with it :(. At least I know not to hope when anyone claims to have made a break through now though.
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Processing chip? Hahahaha...
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Alright man you don't need to laugh, it wouldn't be too difficult to rig up a small chip with a certain wattage so it doesn't overheat but still hot enough to vaporize e-liquid, so it made sense.
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Sorry, it's just funny as that would be so needlessly complicated...
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Thanks for apologising ^^ <3
Yeah definitely over complicated, but it would save quite alot of time wrapping coils or buying them, and everyone is trying to find 'the next big thing' in vaping (gimmick or not) so they can get rich :/.
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My worry is that they've just rushed this concept out in order to compete with the Altus (which already know performs very poorly). I would like to try one as I'm generally a fan of YiHi's gear. Colour me curious.
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Not sure how rushed it is. This has been planned for quite some time. They already have the SX Pure mode on the ML Class. Which is what it was designed to be used with.
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I meant in order to compete with the Altus. There's a lot of hype right now surrounding atties which don't use a traditional coil/wick.
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Altus just beat them to the punch. This was clearly being developed at the same time as the Atlus. And if anything, the Atlus was rushed based on the reviews we've seen so far. Alternative coil/wicks are going to be all the rage to come for a while. Having to throw away metal casing every few days is very wasteful, esp. when most people don't rebuild their replaceable coils.
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Have you actually seen the "hype"??? It's not getting" hype" worthy reviews?!!!?!!! At $120? Seriously?
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China rushing out products? No way, that never happens! Bahahaha. Maybe they are making it to go along with that great new chip they released :P (watch this tank turn out to be the beez kneez)
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Ugh... More chintzy gimmicks. "New" usually isn't "Better".
I'll say it again: wickless is innovation. Regular coils heat up fine, I don't need fancy new proprietary heating elements.
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This looks promising, unlike that ceramic thing.
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Willing to bet this turns out to be just a U shaped piece of ceramic with a wire going through it.
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I hope not. To me, it looks like a U shaped piece of stamped metal. Fingers crossed.
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I doubt it. Ceramic cores don't also use cotton cores, which this has. At least not the one I've seen.
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The altus uses a ceramic heating element that is wrapped in cotton.
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Not even going to acknowledge that until reviews come out for it.
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Ok, just thought you'd like to see what it actually looks like.
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Well damn. Another (probably) expensive purchase to add to the list!
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Was the Altus good enough to justify trying this out? I've heard mixed responses on that one.
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If you build your own coils, no. If you don't, ABSOLUTELY.
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I would only try it if you have or are planning on acquiring a DNA200 device.
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Is it just a ceramic coil? vapin donuts were proved to be very dangerous
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vapin donuts were proved to be very dangerous
source?
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I'm wondering if that's a particular brand or ceramic donuts in general.. A hash vape I have came with a ceramic donut coil and they've been somewhat common for hash vapes for a while. I personally don't use it, opting for more traditional wire coils around ceramic or quartz cores/"wicks", but only because I expect the donut doesn't really work very well.
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that is a type of ceramic coil, using the term coil loosely, not exactly the same thing here
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It doesn't look like it has any ceramic. I think it's a metal heating element of some sort which you wick more like a traditional coil.
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As long as the ceramic isn't damaged (cracked from too much heat, etc) it's perfectly fine. Ceramic heating elements have been used for a very long time, and are regularly used in "herb" vaping applications. It's semi-new to vaping eliquid, not new otherwise.
Vaping donuts were only dangerous if you damaged them, and the danger only came from the ceramic particles created by the damage. No different than a damaged battery or mod being dangerous.
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ceramic coil dangerous? some cig-a-likes even have ceramic, on top of the currently new ceramic coils coming out - so far haven't seen any proof of it being dangerous
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that is a type of ceramic coil, using the term coil loosely, not exactly the same thing here
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Something tells me nothing will come of this. They promoted products that never came into fruition.
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Do we know what the start out price is gonna be or did I miss it in thread?
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These Chinese companies really need to hire a PR person...painful to read.
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Is anyone else at all curious about that mysterious "special alloy" heating element?
Wasn't everyone concerned about toxic off-gassing temperatures and makeup of these other non-kanthal alloy wires just a couple of months ago?
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Kanthal is the TRADEMARK for a family of iron-chromium-aluminium (FeCrAl) alloy...
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I know that. The heating element described in the ad made it sound like they were not using kanthal.
People were throwing a fit about all these different "performance" wires (G-Plat for example) as far as wanting to know what they were made of and whether or not heating them would produce toxic gas. What is this heating core thing made out of?
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They haven't said yet, but I'd guess Stainless Steel, Titanium or Tungsten.
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The race begins. Who will win? Loving the fact that wattage wars are being replaced with the heating element war. 2016 will be a great year for us.
I think 2016 will be the year of the gimmick, and the bursting of our bubble.
The year of the gimmick, but also the year of maturity.
The cloud chasing war is over, so manufacturers will have to focus on different priorities. I think that TC and ceramic coils are the start of a new phase in vaping. We'll see technologies that are about more than just power. Purer vapour, better battery life, more compact mods, leakproof tanks, maybe wireless charging. Most of these new ideas will fail miserably, but some will become ubiquitous.
Exactly. The ecig bubble will burst and for lack of a better phrase only the strong will survive.
Boy you're an optimistic one! But probably right... anyway, I just saw good progress on that tracking. Enjoy!
Haha didn't mean to sound so doom and gloom, but I think this year will reach its peak of companies just trying to push shit out there because it's a fresh market. I think we've almost reached the point where it will start to collapse and only the strongest products and companies will survive. Like an economic bubble, if you think of it as a stock/commodity
Sweet! Can't wait :D
Pretty sure this will happen with vape stores as well.
We had three vape stores for a couple years now. One of them is a shitty mall kiosk that sells low quality clones and preys on 'buy one for your mom to quit smoking bro!' approaches. The other two are solid, do not excessively markup product and have knowledgeable staff.
Three new vape shops have opened in the last three months. I've been to two of them and they're very much douche stores where ventilation wasn't considered (yeah, a haze is normal BUT I CAN'T SEE THE STUFF WITHOUT GETTING CLOSE) and have minimal merchandise for much higher prices. Two of them are peddling local juice that is some of the worst stuff I've ever tried as well, insisting it's the best flavors ever.
I can't wait for the market to hit saturation point and throw these little fucks out of the industry. Stop trying to make a quick buck on what is seen as a trend, it's irritating and makes people who vape respectfully look bad.
Companies are still making money hand over fist! If it was my choice, 2016 would be the year we came together to influence the industry to take responsibility. Stop buying everything that comes out because it the new-new. Force-by our spending power-the companies to stand behind their products and warranty. Take a breather. We are being force fed products, unhappy with the results-for the most part-yet still buy v2, v3 & v5.1.3. I doubt it will happen but seeing so many companies being praised and their history being completely forgotten and how bad they bent A LOT of consumers over is ridiculous... Cough..cough..joyetech/eleaf. Not discounting a lot of great products, but I think it's a scam when a company releases a product, less than a month later they have an update while the initial (tester) buyers have a useless, obsolete product. Triton anyone? I'm looking at you vaporesso! A bit of a rant but its the wild west right now and I'm sure I'll get downvoted and trolled but seriously-how many people have either had to spend way too much time and effort and or money to simply get a product to work. Would you accept this from an automobile manufacturers.... Computer...cell phone...shoes...coat. Etc etc. Nope. These companies would cease to exist simply because they lost the consumers trust
Totally agree. This means being more stringent with your personal limits. Don't buy something simply because its new and no more preorders. They know people will buy if its the newest shiniest product out there despite its faults. The consumers at fault though are usually people outside of this sub who rely on word of mouth and such. Browsers of this sub are usually informed by reviews and such.
This kind of activity is due to the economic and social bubble surrounding vaping right now. These growing pains happen within any industry that takes off as fast as ours did. This is exactly what I'm talking about by the bubble bursting this year.
I can see that. I think with the DNA200, mods will/already have a hit the wall in terms of rapid progression, maybe we'll get a few more features on more mainstream (i.e. Kanger/Joyetech/Smok boxes), and I don't think the subohm clearo can be taken much farther either (BIGGER juice flow? Better RBA heads?). Every RTA this year will have a Velocity-style deck option, as the Mutank and others have already jumped on. Maybe this year will be the year of no-fuss easypeasy TC being available, no more establishing temperature coefficients or any of that.
Who knows?
Youll always need some kind of user input to establish the correct temperature coefficient if youre building the coils yourself. It may be possible however with a tank+mod setup that only accepts specific coils designed for the mod. If its say the .43 ohms coil they make in SS the mod would read the .43 whilst in a certain setting and adjust it accordingly. Pretty interesting idea.
Makes me sad cause I love my single coils
What is the temperature coefficient for anyways?