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r/Paladins•
fattbeard

The F2P game and the feeling of entitlement.

This seem to happen with every singe F2P game ever. People feel entitled to obtaining all the content of a F2p game with very little to no effort. Most of everything in this game will be free you just have to actually play the game to get it. Those who are upset they are going to be selling the champions now are just blinded by the title free to play. This also happened with Heroes of the Storm when it was revealed how much gold the characters would cost. There was a huge out crying that it was to expensive and no one wanted to grind for them. This is a 100% free game and the company has to make money somewhere and selling only skins and mounts isn't enough. I actually applaud Hi-rez for being so active with the community and listening to us. We all screamed for more champions so that's what we're getting they just had to change a few plans to make this happen.So for those who feel they should get all the content in the game for very little effort and just a few hours of game play please step back and re evaluate the situation.

Posted Mar 10, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC

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tarthon2•

I don't know, I think most people prefer paying a full price for a game. The problem is all these shitty microtransaction systems keep getting forced into games which end up creating P2W mechanics.

Let's face it, paid characters or RNG cards are not good for gameplay. It's a business decision that undoubtedly worsens gameplay. That sucks.

Add to that the lack of transparency, going against their own word, refusing refunds, constantly pissed off community, massive competition, etc.

People are just angry... and sad. I wanted HiRez to be an underdog but I've seen the writing on the wall.

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corybyu•

Yep, I don't agree with OP here at all. In most cases, when developers just focus on creating a really fun, well made game, it is easy to monetize it, and people will want to pay. For example, I've bought a ton of Rocket League DLC, just because I LOVE that game. But anytime I see a F2P game that has really expensive content (HotS included), it sours the experience.

That said, I've preordered Overwatch, and Blizzard will be getting my money. Not just based on this decision, but the overall direction of this game, having played both Overwatch just feels so much more polished, and the gameplay is deeper.

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shanyo717•

I don't mind random cards, but I wish that there was a more intuitive crafting system where you could choose the card crafted instead of the rank, almost hearthstone style, even if it cost more gold to pick the card instead of randoming it would add another strategic element to the game

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oppoh•

Very true, but I still feel like the founders pack was a ripoff all I get are two skins and a little gold for 20$. Maybe they should throw in some free champions with it then people would be incentivized to buy it.

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KoringviasLyureon (EU)•

Well, there are 2 types of ppl who got founders pack,

  1. Those who wanted to play in beta, but did not get the key.
    They paid for pack mostly to get acces to the beta test.
    And you know what? That's exactly what they got.
    Also they've got those chests. They've got all the champions (because they were in beta, they will not have to pay for 11 of them).
    They are going to get new Fernando skin and weapon skin aswell. I gues that's a good bonus to the access to the game.

And the other type are supportes. They got to beta, but loved the game so much they wanted to support Hi-rez and paid mostly for that. And if that was their reasoning, that's the problem now? Yes, they got a bit less than 1st type, but they must feel like better human beings after supporting devs, why would they outrage now?
I just don't get it.
._.

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oppoh•

I know I'm not entitled to anything, but am i not allowed to feel like I wasted my money?

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KoringviasLyureon (EU)•

It's your right to feel that way - or any other way depending on how you look at it. I just offered one of the ways to think about this - but you don't have to agree with me, of course.

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Kou9992•

Sure, you can feel like you wasted your money because all you got was a little gold and some skins. But isn't that totally your own fault?

You were straight up told exactly what your purchase would get you. If you feel like you wasted your money because you only got what you were told you would get, plus several additional things they are adding in later (like the upcoming Fernando skin) maybe you shouldn't have bought it?

Plus it looks like they are also throwing in every champ present and future to the pack, so they really just keep adding more and more value to it.

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oppoh•

Just found out now in really happy :D

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imisajtOne shooting Pip since 1995•

Because some of them deeply in their heath want this game to fail.

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TheRealHanBroloPew Pew Bitches•

Or some of us bought the founders pack and have been with hi Rez even THROUGH them killing my two favorite games. Now I'm addicted to smite, and Paladins is fun

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fattbeardOP•

Why did you buy it in the first place? If you feel it's a ripoff now what made it worth it when you bought it?

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oppoh•

Bought it because I love hi Rez and it was one of the few f2p shooters coming out that seemed to have a fair f2p model that was fair to the players.

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fattbeardOP•

Well you will get what you asked for.

http://forums.paladins.com/showthread.php?4992-UPCOMING-CHANGE-Unlocking-Champions-in-Paladins&p=25205&viewfull=1#post25205

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oppoh•

WOOOOOT my trust it restored

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Vash88Diabetus•

I don't give a flying fuck about paying money for a game. If I could thrown down 60$ to get all the champions and cards for all current and future patches I would GLADLY throw that money at Hi-Rez. The problem I have is all of these shitty F2P system that nickle and dime you at every turn or force you to play for a extended period of time while being at a disadvantage. I apologize if that came out harshly but this is not a old problem just once that lots of developers fail to grasp. They would rather people pay MORE than 60$ over many smaller transactions than just deliver a game for one price then they disgise it as F2P.

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RobotWizzClones everywhere!•

Im fine with hi-rez decision, but pls don't release OP champions and nerf them 2/3 weeks later... :(

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imisajtOne shooting Pip since 1995•

Its better than making underpowered champions then after several pacthes a lot of people still wants them to buffed but they are already freaking OP (looking at you Buck)

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Voidsentry•

What are you complaining about now? Them releasing OP characters in the first place, or nerfing those OP characters, after you made them your mains?

In both cases you need to chill out. Characters sometimes turn out to be stronger than the developers had previously thought it, since there is a difference when 50 people playtest the game and when 5000 people playtest the game. Strong combinations or maybe even bugs can be found much quicker by a large amount of people. When something turns out to be too strong upon reason, the devs can nerf it.

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RobotWizzClones everywhere!•

Uh sorry :c I know its hard to release Balanced champs..

But i mean i hope they don't go the release OP champs get cash and nerf them later route... :(

EDIT: Maining a OP champ isnt my thing...

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WOlfWangTsunami•

I agree with you op, and you see it all the time but I don't think it is F2P. I think the cause is when you add F2P to a pvp environment. I would like to give an example, of the PVP entitled gamer, and no they are never all kids.

There is a game called the showdown effect, interesting game. Kind of like a death match shooter side scrolling style. The motif of the game is Hollywood action movies, so the devs made a gun that was a magnum. Every time they wanted feed back from closed beta; people would tell them the Magnum was too strong. Even after they nerfed the weapon still the Magnum was the top complaint. Finally, they asked questions about what people thought of the gun. "It looked cool" "it sounded cool" "It is the only gun they saw kill them, it is too strong!". The devs looked at their data and saw that the magnum wasn't the top gun killing people, so they did any experiment.

Instead of nerfing the damage or the reload speed, or the rate of fire, the devs nerfed a little of the muzzle flair and the sound. Low and behold everybody told them "OH MY GOD great work guys you fixed it" but every dev knew that the egos of those entitled gamers in their beta was so wrapped in themselves they couldn't give an unbiased opinion.

Look on this forum right now you will find people complain about champions demanding they be nerfed, or just removed cause they hate them. Balance is only balanced in some F2P PVP gamers mind if their style of playing that game works. In a game, you have to pay for you also buy into the ecosystem of the game. You care about it being fun because you don't want your money to go to waste. But you take overly competitive people, with bad self-esteem, who are also unwilling to spend money for whatever the cause, the end result is entitled gamers, who care more about a pro scene first than games being actually fun. Not all gamers are like this, but the more popular the game the larger the audience the greater the chances of running into these people.

I bought the gods pack in smite, and I buy skins. Why would I want to deprive a developer making what I like of revenue to make more? But when you get a gamer that is full of their own ego, this is what happens many times, the entitled mindset of "They said it is free, and without me playing they would have nothing". The worse part is games that actually charge like most games from UBISOFT, and play horrible those same gamers will excuse every last bug. All because they spent money on the game and now need to justify the price with making any blemish seem justified. So I am one hundred percent with you op, and I am glad there are some of us out there.

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TajjeMLG PRO ICE BITCH•

THIS. YES, SOMEONE GETS IT

it's a f2p game, the shit is free, and if people are so hurt because they have to play the game to get items, then you should play games where you have to buy it to where you get everything.

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NTBees•

Love this! well said. People are so afraid of doing even the slightest bit of work to achieve something but this in turn makes the achievement pointless, my friend literally about a month ago finished his grind to get every smite god with favour and it was such a happy moment for him to finally do it and I applaud that.

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Nood1e•

It's nothing to do with being afraid to work for it. It's the amount of money required to buy everything in these kind of games. Look at mobas charging $5-10 a hero, now compare that to buying a game outright. I now know if I choose to play Paladins I will have to spend more money on the game than if I just bought Overwatch, including the money I spent on the founders pack.

That's the issue I have, I'd rather pay one set fee than pay more money in tiny transactions.

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NTBees•

This is Hi-rez were talking about there's no way there gonna charge that much for a champ. I think also they've now said founders pack will include a champ pack :)

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Kou9992•

Tentative pricing is 200 diamonds, which is $5. But anyone who actually pays $5 is basically choosing to get a bad value.

Want 4-6+ champs? Just buy the founders/champ pack for the same price and get every champ.

Want less than 4 champs? Just grind them out. You could easily earn 1 champ a week playing casually.

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Kou9992•

You know you could just not pay anything, right? You're gonna start out with 11 champs, a free rotation, and the ability to unlock future champs for free in a pretty reasonable amount of play time. Or just spend $20-30 and unlock every champ forever.

Yeah you could spend $5 a champion, but that is clearly the most expensive of several alternate options.

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bafflesaurus•

Sorry but "a little bit of work" is a joke. Every game with this f2p model is simply copying LoL with the hopes of making a killing in the cash shop. There is a thread on the LoL forums that shows just how much money/time it would take to unlock everything http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3433343 it's actually pretty insane all things considered. If I was going to spend money on this game I'd rather just pay $20 bucks (that's about how much this game is realistically worth) and have full access to everything.

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Vash88Diabetus•

While I agree with your stance on this. I would pay more than 20$ for the full paladins game. 40$ for a Multiplayer only game is not to bad as long as they continue to update and support it.

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Dragonblazerhttps://www.youtube.com/c/rubenvdb•

A man had to say it, grats bro

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