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S44J

[UK] Cut up by a young driver in a Golf

Posted Jul 17, 2017, 9:43 AM UTC

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Greatgrowler•

The only fault by the driver here is that he was in the wrong lane to approach the roundabout. He gave a clear signal to move over and with plenty of space caused no in doing so. I'm not quite sure why you saw the need to overtake close to him when you are already concerned about his spatial awareness, whilst going fast and across hatchings, look backwards shortly after, (wise move buster, especially while you are too focused on admonishing him and are seeing red), and rev your engine. If you are not competent enough to find your horn you need to familiarise yourself with your bike a bit better. All in all posting this video was a bit of an own-goal.

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pimpolho_saltitao•

that's a polo buddy.

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raluth•

meh... car was in the wrong lane, granted (although this is only because of the road paint which is quite worn and hard to see - but in the general case, either lane would be OK for straight over), but I wouldn't call that "cut up"; they indicated early, everyone was at an OK speed, and there was room for everyone. First indicator flash is at 0:11, after which the biker continues to move into that space - IMO biker should have noted the indication and left plenty of space for everyone. Revving the engine in anger speaks much for the mindset of the biker, as does feeling the need to turn and face backwards (0:36) to berate the driver while driving at speed on a congested road. There's no scenario in which that is sensible.

Edit: and here's cammer doing 90 (see speedo at 0:06) on a country road (max 60): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rKjUmRCZ48

and what looks to be 50 in a 30 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQGWzjOku90 - then going out of the way to tell the driver off, while completely ignoring the fact that their speed was a massive contributing factor - heck, it looks like the other vehicle is overtaking the parked cars before either can clearly see the other's position. Reality check: sometimes you need to wait for someone passing parked cars to complete their manoeuvre.

and here's 70-80 in a 30 zone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a5_2G0i8Co (70 at 0:15 including overtaking a cyclist at 70+ at 0:18 - you can see the end of the 30 zone at 0:20, where it goes to 60)

and what the hell was this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gciXU9isUgM

And here's overtaking a moving vehicle in the zigzags by traffic lights (yes, that's a specific offence - you can't pass any vehicle that is moving in the same direction as you in the zigzags, and you can't pass the front-most stationary vehicle that is stopped for the purpose of obeying the crossing - only the moving vehicle counts here since the light is green): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKE3yInZ4pk

Let's face it, u/S44J is exactly the kind of idiot motorcyclist that gives decent riders a bad name. It is very good of you to record and track your various motoring offences, though. Your youtube video history easily contains enough to take all 12 points.

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zagek•

Good work mate, he's clearly got a strange view. It's OK for him to speed but someone being in the wrong lane is too far.

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Greatgrowler•

In the night clip https://youtu.be/qQGWzjOku90 he looks to do around 60 to catch up with the car, and it's a 20mph zone not 30!

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raluth•

Good spot!

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S44JOP•

You can see the road paint perfectly fine.

I wasn't looking at the car, I was watching where I was going.

The 180° wide angle lens makes everything look farther away than it is.

I didn't "rev my engine in anger" you plum, I have a loud exhaust and it's quicker to rev the bike up than it is to fumble around searching for the horn.

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howitzer1•

Dude, you overreacted to a simple mistake. And you most definitely did take a good long look backwards, there is absolutely no way you could see in front of you while you were for some reason pointing out your camera to someone who, granted was in the wrong lane, but indicated more than early enough and with enough space that it shouldn't have been an issue. The only dangerous things in this clip are your riding and observation skills, both of which are apparently terrible.

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raluth•

I wasn't looking at the car, I was watching where I was going.

That was entirely your mistake. You should always be tracking the other vehicles, especially at a junction, and especially if you're vulnerable (let's face it, in the case of an accident, being "right" won't stop you from being turned into a smear).

I didn't "rev my engine in anger" you plum, I have a loud exhaust and it's quicker to rev the bike up

so... you're saying that you did rev the engine?

than it is to fumble around searching for the horn.

Either learn where the horn is, or don't worry about the horn and worry more about not dying. Your exhaust is not the horn.

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finger_blast•

You should always be tracking the other vehicles, especially at a junction

It's different turning a corner on a bike vs a car, when you turn on a bike you need to look at the direction you want to turn to, in this case he'll be looking past the car, not at the car itself.

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raluth•

(duplicate comment; responded here)

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FPS_LK•

I didn't "rev my engine in anger" you plum

Even though this was hilarious to read, can you really not assume that people would assume you rev'd your engine out of anger? I mean, I assumed you did it because you were angry and your cute little hand raise over a minor incident gave me some more reason to believe so.

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raluth•

I wasn't looking at the car, I was watching where I was going.

Irony: a biker trying to use "SMIDSY" as an excuse for not being aware of other vehicles.

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finger_blast•

It's different turning a corner on a bike vs a car, when you turn on a bike you need to look at the direction you want to turn to, in this case he'll be looking past the car, not at the car itself.

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raluth•

Rule 187 (on roundabouts):

In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to

  • ...
  • traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout, especially vehicles intending to leave by the next exit
  • traffic which may be straddling lanes or positioned incorrectly
  • motorcyclists
  • ...

(I'll leave the "motorcyclists" one in to avoid complaints that I'm being evasive)

Yes, the car is expected to be aware of the motorbike, but: they appear to be - they indicated very clearly. But: the bike is expected to be a: aware that vehicles may be "positioned incorrectly", and b: keep track of vehicles wishing to change lanes and act accordingly.

If u/S44J is unable or unwilling to do those things, then "driving without due care and attention" seems to fit the bill. If you can't pay attention to other vehicles on the road, you shouldn't be driving.

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IAmMadeForThisShit•

fumble around searching for the horn

Maybe you should stay off the road until you can learn the controls.

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Rusky82•

I didn't "rev my engine in anger" you plum, I have a loud exhaust

Just throwing this in here it's a bandit 600 mate he probably didn't even hear you in the car lol

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iamheero•

I didn't "rev my engine in anger" you plum, I have a loud exhaust and it's quicker to rev the bike up than it is to fumble around searching for the horn.

Dumbest excuse douche bikers love to trot out. It's a fucking thumb button and not hard to use. You just think your engine sounds cooooolerrrr but nobody else does.

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Mobzor•

Turned off as soon as you revved the engine. That shit is so cringe.

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CantaloupeCamper•

The important thing to do when you see a guy who had some lane picking problems is to get closer to him...

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IAmMadeForThisShit•

Get right up in the blind spot for maximum indignation.

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currydemon•

I do despair at many people's inability to pick and stick to the correct lane or least move from lane to lane with awareness of other road users. I mean there's even a giant arrow on the road to help.

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HMJ87•

I saw this exact thing yesterday with two idiots in the wrong lane, both realised they were in the wrong lane far too late and almost crashed into one another as they both tried to cut each other up

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IAmMadeForThisShit•

They used their blinker, you should have known you were in a blind spot. What's wrong with you cyclists?

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EnduredDreams•

Might need a mirror here u/camredd, could well get pulled.

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S44JOP•

Nah I'm not deleting anything

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Paumanok•

What is the correct usage for the inner lane in a traffic circle? I recently moved to an area with a lot of them and many have lines that point to the inner lane exiting but I can't see that being a good idea without an accident. it seems that in most situations it'd be hard for the inner lane to move over. I've been to countries like Italy and I observed the traffic's ability to mesh really well with trucks, bikes, cars, busses, etc. Is it all down to training and luck that the outer lane isn't blocked when you need to exit?

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