Stroll hitting Vettel on the cooldown lap
Posted Oct 1, 2017, 8:40 AM UTC
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Everyone blaming Seb in the post race thread, but looking at this Seb holds exactly the same spot on the track while Stroll drifts wide. That's on Stroll.
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Race and Post-race threads are really cancerous anyway. It's like YouTube comments there.
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Gotta get that karma!
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Agreed. NBCSN just showed a clip from whoever was following the 2 of them’s front wing and Stroll just veers way out to the right. If anyone can find a GIF of that it’ll show very clearly that Vettel couldn’t have done much else
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Cool down race line are different. On C4 DC mentioned stroll was trying to pick up rubber and indicated that strolls was doing the norm and max used same line. But that's on first viewing with just one camera angle. Everyone needs to chill for 10 and let's get more info.
Also it seemed like Sen suddenly sped up.
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I think this is one of these situations where it is Stroll's fault for not being more aware of the cars around him. However, it is pretty come place for drivers to weave over the track to get pick up particularly on the outside of corners where there are lots of marbles.
I think really it is just one of those freak accidents caused becuase cars are behaving unpredictability and drivers are distracted.
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Seb's steering wheel is constant in all of this. Really wasn't his fault. As a HAM fan, but a F1 fan foremost, I hope the FIA give him special dispensation to switch the gearbox, as it wasn't his fault.
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To be fair, first time I saw it I thought Vettel slightly swerved towards Stroll, but now I see that Vettel held his line and it's more Stroll's fault
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If you are a Ham/Alo fan everything is Vettels fault.
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Before we saw the new angle and only had Vettel's, it was entirely possible it was Vettel's fault. Impossible to really see who's fault it was, so they probably picked favorites. The new angle really showed the massive screw up though.
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Whilst Stroll is going a bit wide, Seb is turning into the apex more then needed. They're on the out lap, why a) do you want to overtake people and b) take so much risk and not go around as wide as you can? In the out lap, nobody is doing an ideal racing line. I think Seb can only blame himself for taking such a stupid risk.
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do you want to overtake people
This happens all the time.
take so much risk and not go around as wide as you can?
Watch the replay from the car behind, Seb was about as wide as you would want to be.
Seb is turning into the apex more then needed.
Watch the replay from the car behind. Vettel kept a consistent line through the corner, Stroll veered right halfway through.
nobody is doing an ideal racing line
Exactly, which is why Stroll should have looked in his mirrors. There was always going to be a chance someone would be beside him on the outside.
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"Watch the replay from the car behind, Seb was about as wide as you would want to be." I think you need to look again. You can easily fit at least 2 full cars to Sebs right side, he could have gone much wider.
I'm not saying Vettel is to blame for the accident, but just like in day to day driving you have to anticipate for mistakes of others. Not doing that here, when you (Vettel) have nothing to win/gain from overtaking is just plain stupid. Say Stroll gets a penalty for this, it's not a very big loss for him, it's not like he's running for the podium or anything. But if Vettel has to get his gearbox changed and get a 5 place grid penalty, he's off way worse. Why on earth then would Vettel take such a risk when the race is already over?
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Given the fact that this kind of accident never happened before I am pretty sure that no driver would consider that as "taking risks" :D
They simply trust each other to not do stupid mistakes and be aware of their surroudings.
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Drivers pass other drivers all the time on the in-lap. Seb has done this countless times, as has every other driver on track.
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Blame the 4 time WDC and not the rookie. Come on guys, use some logic.
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It's actually the post race cool down lap, or an in lap in any case. Out laps are those when they just come out of the pit lane.
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Can't say I've seen many drivers have an accident AFTER the race has finished before. WTF
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Wtf!
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And also on the winner's birthday!!!
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But Max's birthday was yesterday.
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Small details. :P
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I was at this race with my dad. We sat probably one section to the right of the initial contact about half way up the grandstands. If im not mistaken, this was also the race that Danica Patrick and Ed Carpenter raced side by side for about 30-40 laps. Really exciting track, needs to be back on the schedule.
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Going out with a bang
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Stroll: Vettel turned into me
WUT 👀 😧
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Well Vettel DID turn and Stroll DID go straight. But it was in a corner. Stroll is technically correct here.
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The best kind of correct.
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Requisition me a beat.
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Vettel was following the corner and Stroll didn't.
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Schumacher once crashed in China into Albers before the race started. Vettel still learning from him in some ways.
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Oh my god Schumacher in 2004 and 2005 at Shanghai, its like he sent a talentless clone of himself that drives like Maldonado. Mindless spins, off the pace completely and topping it off by shunting into a Minardi in 2005 before the race.
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Yeah those were two crazy weekends, in the 2004 race he spent half the race battling with fucking Villeneuve.
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Surprised he didn't try to drive Villeneuve off the track, again
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They better give him a free gearbox change. Seriously.
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Why should they?
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If I were Ferrari I'd pay one of the Saubers to take out Hamilton at the cool down lap of every coming race.
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Flavio is that you?
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It’s Pat.
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https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/914418170487869440
Because Stroll drove into him and destroyed it?
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So they should break the rules that everyone else has to follow, just because it's Vettel?
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No, I would say the same even if it happened to Hamilton or anybody else. Getting penalized because someone doesn't belong in F1 shouldn't be a thing.
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I kind of doubt they would. It would set a certain precedent and have massive repercussions on what teams will try to do in the future to get exemptions.
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Or that would set a precedent on how you can sabotage your rival by ramming into their back after the race.
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Maybe I just don't fully understand it, but in what way? If the FIA sees the fault in Stroll, why would Vettel get penalized for it (effectively)?
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Because with regards to car parts, teams are responsible for their own cars. It's just down to luck. The only exception I can think of was Grojeans' changes this weekend, which were required due to a safety issue with the track. If you start giving leeway with regards to the parts penalties depending on whether the driver was at fault, you will have loads of discussions in future.
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Totally agree. The free repair given to Grosjean was justified. After all, the track drain broke the car. This will be treated like any collision.
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It's just down to luck.
Like driving over an open drain and wrecking the car and then not getting to work on it overnight? Yeah, exactly like that ,huh?
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VET finished the race, so it's a 5-place grid penalty if he changes his gearbox...
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Can they not claim force majeure on this one?
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There's no precedent but I hope they could. I mean, there really isn't anything they could do.
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Then you don't think well.
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Entire rear wheel mounting was ripped out of the car and thrown on top of it. If that didn’t cause massive damage to the gearbox, I’ll be impressed.
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Maybe the good gods of car parts can just this once bless Vettel's car, no? Just this once?
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We are Ferrari mate. We have no Gods.
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This is a much better angle. Stroll is definitely moving towards the outside of the turn, he's the one to blame here. Looks like he was maybe trying to give room to his inside to the car behind?
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I swear people use any excuse to blame Vettel for doing stuff, I don't particularly like the guy (even tho I'm a Ferrari fan) but the Vettel-hating bandwagon is absurd.
Edit: Stroll wasn't going to make the corner so he had to correct his line and didn't see Vettel is my guess
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how was he not going to make the corner if he was literally doing 80 kph?
Edit: if it's not clear what I'm saying: it's not like you gonna understeer off into the gravel at this speed lol
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He was going straight off, hence why he had to correct his line. You can see it clearly on Vettel's onboard (Vet had the correct line for the corner, Stroll was going straight off). I meant he couldn't do the corner with that line.
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It's more likely he was turning out to pick up rubber and didn't see Vettel.
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Ok I rescind all my previous comments. There is an obvious movement from Stroll to the right here.
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Why don't they show this stuff on tv.
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They did
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Ferrari cant get a break
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I have no tears anymore
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If he has to change his gearbox because of this Ferrari must have had the worst second half of a season ever
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Well, this did happen after the race. That's catching a break, in a way.
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What a great finish to Vettel's weekend.
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starts with a broken car, end with a broken car
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Ferrari mechanics just can't catch a break this weekend
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starts with a broken car, end with a broken car.... but in between he went from last place to 4th place.
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i think you might need googles mate
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Certainly looks like Vettel turned into Stroll on the replay while Stroll just was going straight.
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while stroll was going straight
Yeah, while they are in the middle of a corner.
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Do you know what a corner is my dude?
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Yeah. I also like to drive straight through a corner when I drive.
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to me that doesn't really look clear cut. It's the end of the race and drivers don't take the racing line, He should've been looking in his mirrors but Vettel shouldn't be going so close and fast to other cars on a cool down lap
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Yeah, I think Stroll definitely wasn't completely aware if what was happening around him but not sure where Vettel is going so quickly that he needed such a zippy overtake.
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You guys are the only reasonable voices in here, I'm joining.
It's the cooldown lap aka final lap of the weekend, no need to reenact what you did in Singapore's lap one.
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He had plenty of space to his right as well. Vettel was almost taking the racing line through there.
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I agreed it looked like the both went into eachother though the rear view posted below makes it look more on stroll https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/914415456550825984
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https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/914418170487869440
Video from the car behind
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I agree, it was very odd. I'd really like to see some more angles of that incident.
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Susie Wolff, Webber and DC all think racing incident at best, probably even Vettel has to take "the lion's share of the responsibility"
Clearly this sub knows much better though... these comments, lmao
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Stroll isn't shit
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He isn't. He had a great race, that was just a bizarre incident
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Great race is simply not true. He just beat Massa, nothing more. And Massa is shit.
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He had a very good race. He finished 8th in a car that very obviously isn't that good.
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The car obviously was good today, otherwise he wouldn’t have finished in the points
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What's a good race results for stroll?
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6th place maybe. but he is fucking 8th, 3 seconds in front of an over aged massa. He had a much faster car than Vandoorne yet failed to even get close to him.
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This is probably the worst track on the calendar for the Mercs. Ham would have won easily in most other tracks. Props to Max nontheless.
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Ham has the fastest an most reliable car so of course he's going to win on tracks that favor the merc
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He's can win on Ferrari tracks too cuz he's a great driver, just like Ferrari can perform on Merc tracks
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Where did Stroll plan on going? Why would he go straight there? Even ignoring that Vettel was there I don't get his plan here.
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Went to go pick up rubber on the outside of the track. Most drivers did it
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Stroll went straight... Regardless if Vettel was there he was heading out toward the edge of the turn. Was he distracted by his wheel??
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Stroll trying hard for a future Mercedes contract or he's getting a free AMG Project One.
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A gearbox change will surely boost vettels chance on WDC. Oh ffs
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Clearly Stroll's fault.
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plot twist: Hamilton to Stroll: can you deal with seb?
Stroll: mission passed
Hamilton : 2018 contract is yours.
(i have nothing against both of them)
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I assume Stroll was looking to pick up rubber, but this is down to Stroll not using his mirrors. Seb really doesn't get any closer to that inside kerb.
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This gif doesn't show much though.
Vettel started the corner much wider than where he is now, you can't tell at all where Stroll is relative to the inside of the corner.
Need to see it from some other angle before deciding who's to blame.
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I'm well aware, it's been posted as its own thread.
Not going to edit my comment because 20 minutes later a new angle came out.
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Looks like Stroll was texting
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Vettel followed the corner while Stroll just went straight on. That's how I see it.
Yep, but WHY? It makes no sense whatsoever, even if we ignore Vettel being there.
He went to pick up rubber from the outside of the track
Yep..but doesnt his car have a rear view mirror?..For all the talk that he has talent acc. to this sub i see stupid stuff like this from stroll to reinforce my belief that he is absolutely shite.
So it's strolls fault for not seeing Vettel in his mirror, yet Vettel sees stroll right in front of him and still hits him as well? bad on both parts imo.
But why would he do that in the middle of a corner? Wouldn't you do it the whole corner? He knows there are other cars on the track.
Noob here, can some ELI5 why drivers pick up rubber in the cool down lap?
Increase the weight of the car
Nowadays it's just for extra weight so the cars pass the weigh-ins. Back in the day with multiple tyre suppliers they'd pick it up so their own tyre manufacturer could have a look at the compound, and maybe learn a thing or two.
It counts as weight for the car. So if after burning off fuel and everything, the car would be slightly underweight, adding a couple pounds of rubber to it would make it legal instead.
Afaik to make sure they stay above the minimum weight requirement.
Makes the car a little heavier before they're weighed in the pits
Might have wanted the outside to pick up rubber but seriously who knows?
There seems to another car that comes up the inside after the crash happens. Maybe Stroll could have been looking at his left mirror seeing a car [HAAS i think it is] coming up and he was moving over to the right to let it come by.
Just what I think could have possibly made him do that. Not saying that's what happened though. It would help if we had more angles.
He forgot the AI won't complete the cooldown lap for him in the real life.
Only guess I have is to get offline to try and get pickup. Propably didn't check to see if anyone was on the outside.
Texting while driving. We all do it, don't we?
No. Unless you mean my Apple CarPlay setup.
Edit: wow, pretty alarming that my comment got downvoted and one advocating texting and driving got upvoted.
Your problem is the "Apple CarPlay" part. The only correct answer is a plain "No."
Obviously for whenever that Merc seat opens up ^/s
Yes it will be more clear from another angle how badly Stroll took that corner compared to everyone else even on the cooldown.
This angle is kind of deceiving but you can still see how he didn't bother turning.
In a german interview Stroll sorta kinda admitted going straight and accidentally hitting VET. All that with a big grin on his face.
Problem is, it's after the race, Stroll was driving fairly slowly and potentially doing stuff with the steering wheel. It's on Vettel to not hit Stroll, not the other way around. Stroll din't make any jarring movements, he just didn't turn and was maintaining a slow pace.
I'd say they are both at fault. Why did Vettel need to try and come round the outside like that? He was going quite quickly too.
"he just didn't turn..." yep. He didn't turn in a corner where you're supposed to turn on a cooldown lap when everyone is going to the pits at one pace or the other. He also didn't check his mirrors and was not aware of his surroundings.
Because the rubber is off the racing line, hence why he didn't turn.
Vettel has given him very little room even if he doesn't "not turn" - not saying Vettel is in the wrong its just an accident.
Vettel is closing in on the curb. He doesn't have to follow the racing line when the race is over. It's Strolls fault, I don't know why Vettel is closing in on the curb when he knows Stroll is on his inside.