Liquid - kky VS. zai - Optic
EG - rtz+s4 VS. ppy - Secret
Some would think they are good players
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Edit: with Fly, N0tail, Ana, Jerax and Fata in the upper bracket TI7-OG, TI6-Liquid and the first iteration of Secret are also present. And TI7-Liquid kappa.
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And also got first secret's players-notail and fly.
Ahh my favourite iteration of secret, though not necessarily the strongest. A lineup consisting of the best of Na'Vi, Fnatic and Alliance, all dominant teams a year before forming secret. I was so hyped.
My main memory of Secret 1.0 is Kuroky's 13 minute Heart on Ursa.
And they almost lost.
daamn thata is some manly ursa play
Yea but as soon as he got heart he started to throw :(
Literally no damage!
Mine was this casual penta rampage.
Is it also the time he fountain farm heroes as PA? It's against vp, I think.
This was my favorite Secret. It was the best! I remember it was one of the first teams to have a shifting position players (kky/fly/s4 were listed as 1/2/3 in their liquipeda page). Kuroky carry was soo amazing!
I think "not necessarily the strongest" is quite the euphemism in this context. It probably wasn't the weakest, but there have been multiple stronger ones for sure.
I can certainly agree with you on the hype going into it though.
this is what really makes me happy secret making upper bracket
three years later, and the members of the team that should have won it all continue to succeed on their separate paths
There's is not such thing as "should". Especially when the team got dq'd from the fifth best team.
could* have won it all
could is good :)
DQ'd? Did they get disqualified somewhere?
Think he just meant knocked out
Kky carry BibleThump
he played clinkz in group stage, if you didn't catch it
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He was fun to watch.
It's like kuroko no basuke generation of miracles
Best team of all time, if not just defeated by their own egos.
rtz vs FATA- as well
what’s the history with them
7mad once called rtz - who had played 1 lan in his life at that time overrated compared to the 3 best mid players in europe s4, dendi and fata. all na rtz fanboys got upset that 7mad would include fata in that list who had nowhere near the accomplishments of the other 2 even though he was probably the better mid at that time.
No WAY was Fata better. Definitely more proven but that was rtz’s breakout year where he invented naga mid and overall changed how mid was played in the years to come.
Wait, naga mid is Rtz's invention? I only know that merakel invent radiance naga, but he play it in safelane. Damn, naga mid is my guilty pleasure.
Edit: sorry, I mean Meracle.
what do rtz's breakout performances have to do with fata being probably a better mid than s4 and dendi? and the statement happend after mlg columbus so he played like one lan in his life.
There was lowkey hate from rtz when FATA- was playing with envy on c9 at a summit
All I'm getting from this are that kuro and rtz were left, Puppey was right all along.
This is no surprise since Secret gathered the best individual players at the time. Although I supported that team, in retrospect I was more than happy that this endeavor failed, because superteams would kill interest.
A superstar team was enough to get you to support them but in retrospect you're happy the team failed because it would kill interest? That sounds contradictory.
I am team ppy, therefore I was Secret.
But I much rather prefer this iteration.
Same same. What are your honest expectations for TI and the next series vs EG?
Reserved optimism. Secret is hugely underestimated due to their lack of results in the last half of the year, and they have succefuly flown under the radar.
They are by far the worst matchup for EG group B could offer. VP is a close second imo
The game does have superteams tho. One team with all their players top-3 at their position and a couple more with all players top-5-10 at their position.
so you've got EG with all their players top-3 at their position. and then you've got liquid and VP with top 5-10s
EG definitely ain't the one with every player top-3 at their position. I can give you a hint.
Matu > Rtz
Miracle > Sumail
Mind_control > s4
GH > Crit
Kuro > fly
Every Liquid player is better at their position than their EG counterpart.
Matu < Rtz
Miracle > Sumail
Mind_control = s4
GH > Crit
Kuro = fly
Hmm. I dont think matu and MC is better than Rtz and s4. Specially s4, he's been on different teams but he still manage to shine on its own way. Plus, s4 was a mid laner before and just change his role to an offlane and still manage to become one of the best offlaner today. It is just all about KuroKy, he knows his team very well just like ppd when he had Sumail before.
That is very debatable. They are doing better as a team but I wouldn't be so sure about all these Liquid players better than EG's players individually.
are u retarded
Also another team
Ramzes > Matu > Artour
Miracle > Sumail > Noone
MC > s4 > Pasha
GH > Rodjer > Cr1t
Kuro > Solo > Fly
But tbh I think the difference in all of their skills are so miniscule that what matters most between these teams is mostly drafts and strategy
Did sssomeone sssay sssuperteam?
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Where is Na'Vi ?
Who ever lose, Secret wins. All according to keikaku... wait a minute...
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I just commented this hours ago ...fuck i missed out on karma
:( my condolences
You should also add that the members of the first iteration of Secret are also in the Upper Bracket
... but notail doesn't play against them :/
TI6 Liquid and TI7 OG are also present
This is Kuroko no Basket all over again.
Good EU players stay on good EU teams
News at 11
All TI4 DK also participated this TI, Burning had an early exit though.
Ti5 secret was actually the best team ever.
I don't mean at Dota(debateable), just the whole story. The amazing success, the catastrophic collapse at ti5 mainstage, the in-fighting, the who was right questions which still goes on to this day.
And outside the team, kemal, leaked chat logs, hiring pornstars. Ti5 secret had everything.
They were an amazing team to watch and their story/drama levels is unparalleled in Dota history imo
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Team Secret of TI5?
I thought not. It's not a story a 3k mmr would tell you. It's a pro legend. Team Secret was an all star team of dota players, so powerful and so wise they could use the game to influence r/dota2 to create memes… They had such a knowledge of the dank side, they could even keep the memes they cared about from dying.
Do we know now who is left or right? What happened to them? Is there a way another team can have this power?
Kuroky was right. The dank side of the game is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural, which he eventually used to win TI7.
They became so powerful… the only thing they were afraid of was losing their power, which eventually, of course, they did. Unfortunately, they didn't scrim for fear of teaching other teams what they knew, then VP killed them in the lower bracket. Ironic. They could save memes from death, but not themselves.
Not from a herald.
It’s treason then.
Kuro: It's over Rtz, I have the
highright ground.Rtz: You underestimate my meme
Kuro's Liquid beat Rtz and EG in Shanghai lb final
Kuro: You're my brother Rtz. I love you.
That squad still has one of the highest winrates ever at premium events with 73.88% (99-35).
There is only one squad with more than 100 games that had a higher winrate and that was actually the first iteration of secret.
Source:datdota
First iteration of Secret was really just so good, and the stats only prove it. It's a pity they could never make it work, and it was likely more of a personal thing than anything else.
Puppey took too much control for his own good, deciding to start kicking left and right, when they were already the best team... at least he was humbled a bit and not making those mistakes anymore.
Humbled from Valves decision to not allow you to kick anyone if u want to get to TI :)
I doubt Puppey has changed much on that accord. With Secret's rollercoaster year? Everybody would be kicked around February. And then again around May. And if S4 was available? He would kick FATA just one day before TI to get him.
Puppey is not one to be humbled. Humbleness itself is humbled by Puppey.
Wow 83.6% of NoTails 1296 games have been on a team with Fly (86.7% of Flys games). That's an amazing amount
Bruh what about team DK?
I've never seen a Dota 2 team dominate as hard as DK did at that Starladder, jfc
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wings had a shaky group stage, and were not really dominant outside of ti, not comparable to alliance at all honestly.
wings never dominated the way Team secret dominated 4 consecutive LANs. They played the best dota we've ever seen by far, even better than the overhyped DK. Sadly they collapsed at TI.
Which Starladder was this? I want to find some VODs to watch, I got into Dota 2 during TI4/right after.
Starladder season 9 I believe. This was with the legendary DK of MMY, Lanm, Mushi, Iceiceice, and burning. I think this is the tournament where DK flexed so hard that burning had a different hero for all the games in the main stage and still won all of it.
what about team empire with resolution? 18 winstreaks afaik.
Sometimes I am reminded of TI5 Secret and I wonder if they would get better if they stuck together for TI6 as well. That was honestly my favourite Secret iteration.
I don't think there's enough glue in the world to keep those together.
This was 2016 Secret
Kamal drama was.
I'm pretty sure pornstars and chat logs were ti5.
The theeban chat logs were released during the tournament so lots of people ignored them and many thought they were fake.
Did you read Envy's blog?
Wait what?
I joined right after TI5, so I don't know the story of TI5 secret, but envy did say that they hired a pornstar (among other things) during TI6.
http://archive.is/4OEUP#selection-2591.75-2669.453
Just control + f "ending statements"
Also, here is the tweet made by Jorge Yao with the pornstar that I think confirms this:
https://twitter.com/JorgeYao87/status/762462229924974592
Who is Jorge yao?
"Managing partner" of Team Secret, whatever that means
What would they need them for though ?
yea, they got hit by TI Curse without even winning a TI
cough Hiring pornstars ?
For brand promotion, posting on Instagram and stuff.
Not what you're thinking of ;)
Have you heard of NTH?
Nth was a success story. Secret was a beautiful spectacular tragedy, the drama of EE getting kicked from his own team was great, but it was pretty clear cut it was a good move after alliance went on to win ti3.
To this day it's still debatable what happened in team secret.
Nth was life though I do agree <3
Aye. Altho I wouldn't label being kicked from ones own team 'great'... unless we're talking meme-value for a meme-hungry bystander.
IIRC most of the shitstorm has passed along with Kemal, so one might extrapolate who was the issue to begin with, despite certain parties being left or right ;)
My bad I mean EE getting kicked was good drama, not that it was a great thing. It was a real kick in the teeth for him but he recovered pretty well and from all his blog posts he was always positive about Alliance so that was wholesome.
oh boy i had forgotten about the kemal drama, that was also top tier. and the pornstars. oh boy ti5 secret was better than i remember
i still cannot believe that the whole deal with puppy and secret just kinda"blew over"
What is debatable in the secret internals? Everything is Cristal clear.