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Posted Feb 3, 2019, 12:47 PM UTC

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techtox•

Why was the post with the video of S&V getting attacked removed? There were 2 reasons mentioned, first was editorialising the title (which is BS because it wasn't an article) and then after that it was agenda pushing (checked his profile, he never posted anything else)...

I can understand not liking S&V and DVL, but this seemed like censorship A LOT. It's not like people on this sub are going to like S&V because of the video. It doesn't make them look good, it makes the protestors look bad.

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EggAndDunk•

And at the same time, this post was allowed to stay up. Whether conscious or not, mods have their own biases.

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k995•

Of course there is a clear bias.

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PetVanJan•

Indeed, neutral mods would have come down on your AP.

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k995•

Sure, cant have any posts thats not left winged agenda pushing.

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Who's alternate account were you again?

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wirekeAntwerpen•

Ok maroefen

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StijnDP•

I'm pretty sure r/belgium is being targetted by groen facebook lobby groups at the moment. So mods can feel there is so much about a subject that it would feel partial to remove it all.
This shouldn't become an Instagram or Facebook or Twitter shithole where everyone posts their awesome picture they took that day and waits for the likes to make them feel good about themselves.

Resist.

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KnownAsGiel•

First post/comment in r/belgium ever by that person, as opposed to u/zaltgaanja.

We really need a clear definition of the agenda pushing rule.

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DameBlancheMetBanang•

We really need a clear definition of the agenda pushing rule.

Ive said this about a million times but the mods will never want to budge, its their goto copout rule if they want to remove a post and cant think of a reason. After all if they cant prove it IS agenda pushing how in hells name are you gonna prove it ISNT agenda pushing.

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KnownAsGiel•

Read my comment and the usernames again.

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Pazimov•

Who is agenda pushing at that point?

Wichever's opinion you disagree with.

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Pazimov•

Fucking "agenda pushing." Abolish that rule already, it's clearly being abused. And you're (the mods) making a fool of yourselves by defending it.

Just admit its to apply your own personal biases, I can respect that more.

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DameBlancheMetBanang•

100% agree, its a mod copout rule.

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no other sub even 100times bigger sub, r/germany , r/france seems to need such a rule but somehow in small r/belguim this rule is all that is holding us back from total fall of civilization according to the mods.

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KnownAsGiel•

I agree with this. I even asked the mod who removed the post why she removed it for that reason, while u/zaltgaanja is clearly not an outsider in r/Belgium. The other reason why that post was removed is also bullshit.

Disclaimer: I hate DVL and S&V as much as any sane person, and I definitely don't agree with their provocations, but still, removing that post is just sad.

Edit: added link to my comment.

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zaltgaanja•

-weggejorist-

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xydrohWest-Vlaanderen•

We could do without a rule 4 until it's clearly defined what agenda pushing is, and to make sure it's applied fairly to everyone.

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wirekeAntwerpen•

I don't understand why that Janhamer wasn't a permban? He straight up denied a genocide and protected massmurderers, surly we don't need people like that on this sub?

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Detective_FallacyWC18 - correct prediction•

I'm 99% sure JanHamer is also an alt of our beloved ex-mod comrade Maroefen, and is currently dodging his new ban with PetVanJan. Is there a time limit on ban evasion or did I miss something?

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DakracsYou're on my list too•

So glad I'm not alone on that. He's had a few alts trying to get back in. It's also easy to pick him out every time.

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ThrowAway111222555World•

Ban evasion is treated a somewhat lax on this sub for somewhat long term users. u/TheApatheist also ban evaded for a while using u/Ithundalie and that account lasted a few weeks while the mods knew it was him (since I messaged them about it after he told me it was him). Think it's when the old habits resurfaced they get banned again.

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DakracsYou're on my list too•

Then why the fuck even bother with a 'permanent' ban?

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NechaefWorld•

That's a question I've asked several times, without an answer.

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JebusGobsonMODBest Vlaanderen•

ban evasion isn't tolerated, this is a misconception.

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JebusGobsonMODBest Vlaanderen•

He was banned as soon as it was apparent it was him, afaik

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ThrowAway111222555World•

Glorifying violent revolutions, being quite controversial in his non modded posts on the sub. And probably not always being neutral in his modding.

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PetVanJan•

Mijn alt heet janmetdepet, niet Maroefen.

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Tuathalt•

Mijn alt daarentegen, heet Maroefen.

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DidimeisterOost-Vlaanderen•

Which one(s)?

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Detective_FallacyWC18 - correct prediction•

The Holodomor and Stalin, as usual.

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JebusGobsonMODBest Vlaanderen•

We don't discuss bans of other users!

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ChokotoffLiège•

Why do you ban certain topics for Meme Saturdays? You said it was because you had many complaints, what's the threshold in question?

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PetVanJan•

Enough complaints to annoy the mods is the threshold.

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JebusGobsonMODBest Vlaanderen•

That was in error, and should never have happened. Some of the mods did so because of those complaints, but as none of the posts were against the actual sub rules they shouldn't have been banned. It won't happen again.

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OCELOT525Brugge!•

The hilarious thing is that I spent that previous night working on a really good (IMHO) meme on him. Only to find out the next day that Dries memes were banned.

I shift-deleted my created image and gimp templates out of anger.

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MatvaliciousLocal furry, don't feed him•

How is "S&V" a bannable offense?

(Edit: This is a legit question by the way.)

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RhadjazWorld•

It's usually a very new account made around a time when s&v comes in the news and has a combination of agenda pushing (a copy paste of the s&v narrative) and racism.

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PetVanJan•

Why shouldn't it be?

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NechaefWorld•

Dear mods when you remove a new thread, please inform the user. Mine about Joke was removed I think because of it being a duplicate. I have no problem with that but do inform us when it's done.

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Sportsfanno1OPMODMeaniebeanie•

Huh, that must be an accident because we have a dropdown list to select the reason why & that automatically posts it.

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KnoflookperserMODIn the ghettoooo•

doesn't work on mobile, that's often the problem for me

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Sportsfanno1OPMeaniebeanie•

Beatings will continue in that case.

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KnoflookperserIn the ghettoooo•

grmbl

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NechaefWorld•

Then post in the thread you remove and give an explanation.

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VlaanderenVrKristusE.U.•

Desktop version on mobile > mobile site, at least for me.

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KnoflookperserIn the ghettoooo•

lots of functions are automated on destkop version when it comes to modding (like autogenerated comments when you remove a post), but my cellphone is to shitty to have a usable interface on desktop version.

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NechaefWorld•

Ok. Thanks but we both know it's a plot by jebus.

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Sportsfanno1OPMeaniebeanie•

We live in a Jebus simulation

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NechaefWorld•

That's why we need to glitch the system.

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NuruYetuBelgium•

I'd appreciate it if we could enforce a English post title rule. Peeps at r/Wallonia complained about the imbalance of forces making the sub very unusable for them and I agree, and I think it can be made better with at least translating the titles of the articles posted.

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k995•

/r/Wallonia is almost totaly french, irony?

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I really dont see why you would enforce that, I have seen plenty of times were the translation changes the meaning of the title or provides les nuance.

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NuruYetuBelgium•

The sub is for the francophones of Belgium, the name is just for simplicity's sake. It exists because they don't really feel at home in r/belgium. As the geodefault methinks the mods should address this.

And I'm sure they'll get all the needed nuance when they open the article. Between people sometimes not being able to tell what it is about and others having to click once if they perhaps miss "some of the nuance" I think the trade-off leans pretty clearly to the former.

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k995•

The sub is for the francophones of Belgium, the name is just for simplicity's sake. It exists because they don't really feel at home in r/belgium. As the geodefault methinks the mods should address this.

That makes no sense. They dont feel at hime in r/belgium because too much dutch is being spoken? Do they know what country they live in?

And I'm sure they'll get all the needed nuance when they open the article. Between people sometimes not being able to tell what it is about and others having to click once if they perhaps miss "some of the nuance" I think the trade-off leans pretty clearly to the former.

I dont agree, there is a rule of no agenda pushing and "Do not editorialize titles" I have seen both happen with translations.

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NuruYetuBelgium•

That makes no sense. They dont feel at hime in r/belgium because too much dutch is being spoken? Do they know what country they live in?

Because the essential parts for using the sub, such as titles, aren't in a language they understand. No need to bring in communautarian rhetorics. I'm not asking it to be in French either, English is a nice middle ground most people understand and Reddit's standard language.

And it's perfectly possible to translate titles without overt editorialization. I do it all the time.

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KnownAsGiel•

Aren't most thread titles in English already? Most of the discussion is in English and very often, translations of the article are included. I wouldn't make it a rule, but I would encourage everyone to use English titles. If you see someone using Dutch titles all the time, just ask them.

Off-topic: I went looking for that thread on r/Wallonia to find more information and opinions and found a thread where someone compared dividing the Leuven University in 1968 to Harvard students kicking out Spanish students who then had to build New Harvard :') At first, I hoped it was satire but I'm afraid that person was serious.

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NuruYetuBelgium•

Aren't most thread titles in English already?

English article titles are a minority, as the current front-page shows.

And why can't this just be a rule? I really don't see how me nagging every time this isn't done will help the situation. Isn't this what rules are for?

Edit: Can I post a straw poll about this issue?

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KnownAsGiel•

Hmm indeed, in my mind, it used to be better.

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DakracsYou're on my list too•

Straw polls have been manipulated on this sub in the past.

Also I think most people don't bother translating the titles to not run into the risk of offending rule 4 since unless you want to do a one on one translation (which more than not looks ridiculous) you'll need to tinker a bit to have it sound well in English.

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ChokotoffLiège•

DeepL.com does wonders. Also it's not like this sub was full of native speakers either. As long as people understand you, I don't see the problem

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k995•

/r/Wallonia

Is almost completly french, I really dont see the issue.

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ChokotoffLiège•

I don't remember reading that on r/Wallonia. All what has been said is that it'd be nice to have titles and articles translated in English so that everyone understands which makes sense if we then discuss the article in English. It's been proposed before (not by francophones btw) and mods refused to enforce such rule.

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logicallymathBoeventronie•

I certainly believe usage of English should be encouraged as much as possible because it creates a more level playing field, but I don't think it should be enforced. Even though I think it's improbable that a Reddit user wouldn't be able to read/write English, I don't think people who only have a command of Dutch or French should feel discouraged from contributing. Not to mention the sheer oddity of restricting the usage of official languages on a national subreddit.

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ChokotoffLiège•

People would still be free to comment in the language they prefer. The only difference is that it'd be easier for everyone to know what's the article about and make this sub more inclusive.

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InFerYesAntwerpen•

What makes an image-to-braille bot not useful?

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htmlcoderexeWest-Vlaanderen•

Braille is useless on any regular medium (print, screen etc). It relies on the dots "poking out" of the flat surface so that the blind person can feel them with their fingers and read them like that. There are specialised devices that translate regular text to Braille and output the dots in a feelable format.

Braille is just a different set of symbols with a 1:1 correspondence to letters, because dot combinations are easier to feel than actual letters. This conversion happens in the actual display device. So it's completely useless to display the patterns on a regular screen or sheet of paper, the symbols exist in Unicode mostly as a reference for sighted people. In fact, they would probably confuse actual Braille devices or the much more common screen readers.

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ThrowAway111222555World•

Could we get some more clarity on paywalled articles and the rules surrounding it? To me it looks like the rule is applied a bit inconsistently. Sometimes the mods just add a tag saying it's paywalled but ignore that no summary is provided.

Other times we can just post them with the text in the comments. Even if the source is the website who started this whole mess.

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PetVanJan•

Onze noorderburen hebben een bot die de betaalmuur artikelen in de comments zet. Hun subs is er nog altijd desondanks de doomscenarios van onze mods.

En als ik me niet vergis is de Vlaamse en Nederlandse media grotendeels in dezelfde handen.

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RhadjazMODWorld•

I don't read everything that get's posted so I missed the copy paste of the article. I would have removed it when I saw it since it's not a summary but copy paste.

Try to report such issues so that we get a notification about this.

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ThrowAway111222555World•

Well the one with the copy pasta from De Standaard was posted by a mod u/historicusXIII and he seems okay with it. Reporting it would be unnecessary at that point

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JebusGobsonBest Vlaanderen•

lmao

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ThrowAway111222555World•

Thanks Jebus.

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VlaanderenVrKristusE.U.•

What did u/bartdezwever do to get a racism ban. Doesn't deel to fit his character nor ideological orientation. Not attacking the mods, just wondering.

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DenZwarteBeverWorld•

Meh, I've seen various dubious posts by him so I wouldn't say it's out of character

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VlaanderenVrKristusE.U.•

You seem to have a serious case of the fanboy, hope you get well soon.

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DenZwarteBeverWorld•

Huh?

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VlaanderenVrKristusE.U.•

You have a fanboy

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SoundOfSeaVlaams-Brabant•

I think you mean u/bertdezwever

This is a comment by him that wasn't even removed:

I don't get why the majority of walloons vote left / extreme left while in Flanders it's the other way around. Most of my friends vote NVA not because of they wanna chop Belgium in half but because the cesspool that's called islam.

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Detective_FallacyWC18 - correct prediction•

That's not racism...

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SoundOfSeaVlaams-Brabant•

It wasn't also removed or the reason he was banned, but it does give an idea of his 'ideological orientation or character'.

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DameBlancheMetBanang•

So what we are all entitled to our own ideological interpretation.

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All religion are just grown up cults by definition , and cult are bad mkay.

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If your willing to kill for a man in the sky. You need to get your head examined.

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( this goes for all religions btw. no way christianity or whatever other religion is absolved. Since they are singlehandedly responsible for so much suffering in the past and present. )

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PetVanJan•

Well... His comment wasn't wrong. Factually speaking.

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JebusGobsonMODBest Vlaanderen•

We don't discuss bans of other users!

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VlaanderenVrKristusE.U.•

As pointed out by the man himself, twas nen imposter.

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leo9gdigital personification of nails screeching on a blackboard•

I'd like to criticize nediator! Suppooosseeddlyyy the cuddly mod, and yet, i most certainly have a lack of mod cuddling this month.

Tsk.

Tsk.

Tsk.

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NerdiatorCuddle mod•

I have been behind on my cuddles but I will work on getting back on track

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FantaToTheKneesAntwerpen•

This requires going to Leo meetups. So please go :p

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NerdiatorCuddle mod•

I want to but yall live so far away

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FantaToTheKneesAntwerpen•

You can easily reach Antwerp :p Leo lives basically next to Centraal. And I promise I'll show up if you're going, so you won't have to be awkward by yourself! :p

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leo9gdigital personification of nails screeching on a blackboard•

XD xd xD

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