Washington Democrats call for GOP state Rep. Matt Shea to be expelled after latest allegations
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seattletimes.comPosted Apr 22, 2019, 7:24 PM UTC
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seattletimes.comIn the text exchanges, according to The Guardian, right-wing activists discussed physically attacking demonstrators, showing up at their homes, or where their children go to day care, and conducting background checks on political organizers.
Wow.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same tactic their liberal opponents adopted?
edit: not one real comment, just a cheeky poster and a bunch of downvotes. It's unfortunate that we can't have real discussions, exchange ideas, maybe even learn and grow. Such a fucking echo chamber here, sad really.
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I got ya bud, you're wrong. No worries though, glad we were able to nip it in the bud this early and so quickly. Have a great day! ;)
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So he's the nutty right wing version of Antifa?
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Are you trying to claim that antifa is actively planning and collaborating to attack the right? If so, please submit any evidence. In the even that you don't have any evidence, please proceed to shut the fuck up.
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Well let's see one of them shot up the republican congressional baseball team, other used a government Lexus nexus account to dox a conservative lobbyist at his home, leaders/ associates of artifacts and BAMN have said in recorded interviews they support violence against their political opponents. They chased down an old man in Portland, assaulted him and others were trying to knock his windows out with steel batons.
Plenty of video evidence.
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Researching any of those didn't show any connections to antifa. Would you like to provide the links you found between those events and antifa?
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They broke a door, Heather Heyer was run down and killed by an alt-right supporter because they were peacefully protesting. If you equate breaking a door to murdering people you have a completely broken perspective of the world and should rightly be ignored.
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Got any examples besides one of America's elite fascist leaders?
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Look at those downvotes, that’ll teach you to not back up claims.
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Ugh, this gets so exhausting, which may be part of your game. But just in case you are merely misinformed... Antifa, as inferred by the name Anti:Facist is not a group. It's an action. There is no hierarchy or greater organization. It's individuals standing up to Facist ideas and rhetoric, and as the bearers of such extreme ideologies become more empowered/emboldened the anti-facist tool set may require more direct violence. But even if/when that violence is carried out, it won't be done in the name of a hierarchal group seeking power, it will be carried out by individuals standing up against an ideology that requires suffering/extermination of the "other".
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.” ―Edmund Burke.
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an ideology that requires suffering/extermination of the "other"
That's antifa. The groups you defend are dedicated to inflicting violence and suffering on the other. It's why they take to the streets in identical black disguises to avoid legal responsibility for their violent and criminal actions. They mindlessly apply the empty label of "fascist" to any political opponent of theirs without rule or reason, so that people like you will mindlessly parrot it, unthinkingly giving cover to violent criminals.
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Lol, you'd sincerely benefit from checking out philosophytube or contrapoints on YouTube.
Edit: Oh and again, antifa is not a "group" (in the way you're using it), it's a response. No facism, no antifa. But first you need to educate yourself on facism.
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Go away, Seattle doesn't want anyone like you here.I highly doubt you even fucking live in Seattle to begin with.
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So there is no organization whatsoever? It's just a bunch of random people who show up at the same place, at the same time?
Someone is organizing them, someone is even funding them ( in some instances)
> “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.” ―Edmund Burke.
Everyone thinks their enemies are evil, and their purpose is righteous.
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Someone is organizing them, someone is even funding them ( in some instances)
No, you are conflating "someone" with "people are". There is no grandmaster pulling the strings and organizing his lackeys. People are organizing and coming together in resistance of ideas that rely solely on the suffering of the "other".
Edit: Oh also,
...someone is even funding them ( in some instances)
Gib sauce.
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So there is no organization whatsoever? It's just a bunch of random people who show up at the same place, at the same time?
Literally yes. I'm not even joking.
Antifa is, and has always been, extremely localized. It has always been in reaction to specific events and specific right wing movements.
When those events have passed or the fascists leave the town or go away Antifa generally tends to disappear as well. Maybe it's different in the United States but Antifa is a world-wide 'movement'.
Someone is organizing them, someone is even funding them ( in some instances)
Yeah those black clothes from the closet and that Billy club could have only come from Lord (((Soros))) himself.
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How many Americans have died in Antifa terror attacks? I'll give you a hint, it's less than 1.
Now, how many Americans have died in right wing terror attacks? I'll give you a hint, it's a lot more than 1.
Stop with this bullshit.
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I'm not arguing in defense of either group.
It's not a competition to see who's more bad they are both bad.
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My point is Antifa hasn't killed anyone, and is more of an internet meme than organized group, but the right likes to talk about them like they're ISIS.
All the real terrorists threats in the US come from right wing radicals.
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The best way to defend one sides horrible actions is to claim both sides are bad.
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I think your heart might be in the right place, but Antifa is not the danger right wing media outlets have made them out to be. It's an attempt to level the playing field and claim "they're doing it, we're doing it, so all sides are the same".
In the United States at least right-wing domestic terror has been on the rise for the last 20 years. Domestic terrorism is equal parts militant Islamists and far-right extremists in this day and age. That is for home-grown terrorism, not international terrorism.
In the 80s Id say you'd have a point since I believe left-wing terrorism spiked that decade but now it has mostly died out. Antifa in the USA are often (EDIT: that means "not always" people) hippy protestors that light candles and yell at people while holding signs, though there are international groups that do worse things mostly in Eastern Europe.
I am not sure you can bring them all under the same umbrella though. Some of these groups are anarchists, plain and simple.
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https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/sri-lanka-easter-sunday-explosions-dle-intl/index.html
From your lovely CNN, so you can't claim "fake news".
Nearly 300 dead from an attack just a few days ago. That's just one incident and not thousands of other murders each year.
But keep screaming about the nonexistent right-wing boogeyman.
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Why is CNN "my" news station exactly? I don't watch or read from them at all.
Did you read that article? It doesn't say anything about Antifa. In fact they believe extremist Islamic terrorists were the cause. I also mentioned specifically this is the other major source of terrorism.
"The government on Monday blamed a little-known radical Islamist group for the devastating Easter Sunday suicide bombings that killed nearly 300 people"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/world/asia/sri-lanka-bombing-explosion.html
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The FBI believes right-wing terrorism and Islamic terrorism to be the major threats domestically :
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states
"During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country.'
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NPR article on that (they are funded by average people so will not have the bias CNN or Fox does) :
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising
""In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."
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Right-wing terrorism isn't only a USA phenomenon :
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47626859
"Across Western Europe, the database shows 28 right-wing terror incidents in 2017 compared with just one in 2007."
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USA News on the expansion of right-wing terrorism globally :
"Far-right groups and individuals caused 66 deaths and launched 127 attacks in the regions between 2013 and 2017. The majority of attacks, according to the findings, were carried out by lone actors with far-right, white nationalist or anti-Muslim beliefs."
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Snopes on terrorism threats :
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/06/07/threat-extremists-more/
"Between 12 September 2001 and 31 December 2016, there were 23 fatal “Radical Islamist Violent Extremist-Motivated Attacks,” resulting in a total of 119 deaths in the United States. In the same time period, there were 62 fatal “far-right violent extremist-motivated attacks”, leading to 106 deaths."
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Face it... extremists are bad news. We have far more right-wing extremists than left-wing ones in the USA. They're in second place for total kill count.
You don't like it because it's an inconvenient fact but it's true regardless of your feelings being hurt.
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¿wHaT aBoUt BoTh SiDeS?
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Too bad Republicans don't police their own. Their party is pure chaos with no adults in charge, anymore.
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Right, just look at Senator Roy Moore while Governor Ralph "Klansman" Northam got thrown out on his ass.
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Y'know, over half of black voters in Virginia didn't want Northam to resign. At the end of the day I have more faith that Northam would act to better the African-American population, whereas I hold out no such hope that Moore would suddenly and sincerely crusade on behalf of women's rights or MeToo.
I also rarely think the tu quoque "BoTh SiDeS!" arguments are made in good faith.
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At the end of the day I have more faith that Northam would act to better the African-American population
You believe this of the man who decided that the lasting image he wanted his friends to remember him by was a blackface/KKK duet?
I also rarely think the tu quoque "BoTh SiDeS!" arguments are made in good faith.
I'm not really making a "both sides" argument as I am making a "take the plank out of your own eye" argument. You're in the Northwest, you should be able to recall the different fates of Bob Packwood and Bill Clinton.
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I really do think that social mores and cultural attitudes shift and change, over > 80% of people express implicit bias which (statistically speaking) probably means I'm racist too. I think whether or not he passes laws that act on those racist tendencies is the criteria here.
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Who is the governor of Virginia?
And who is the junior senator from Alabama?
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Did the Democrats actually call for Northam to step down? Did Republicans actually ask Moore or Shae to step down?
I know Northam stayed in office, against the wishes of his party. But at least his party fucking said something. Republicans have just stopped caring.
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So you're saying that not a single Democrat called for Northam's resignation?
Is that a yes or no?
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I know you're not arguing in good faith but Northam is governor in spite of the Dems all calling for him to step down. Moore isn't a senator because the voters rejected him in spite of Republicans defending him. Your evidence makes the opposite of your point. Nice job!
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Right, just look at Senator Roy Moore while Governor Ralph "Klansman" Northam got thrown out on his ass.
Did you miss the part where Moore ran for office and is considering running again? The Republican Party didn't toss him out, the voters did.
Republican voters "tossed out" their sane moderate ones, and went all-in on Trumpist crazy angry racist pieces of shit.
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Lol, it's the same Republican Party it's always been. Lower taxes, less regulation, law and order, strong defense, pro-life, pro-2A. If anything has changed it's a leftward shift as the Moral Majority fuckos lost their influence and the party generally became more libertarian.
It only looks like there's been a shift because the Democrats have gone so far left. Bill Clinton said welfare instills the wrong values and sends the wrong messages; now multiple Democratic presidential candidates endorse a scheme to provide "economic security for all those unwilling to work." In my lifetime the Democrats have gone from "safe, legal and rare" to Governor Blackface hinting at post-birth abortion. Hillary Clinton said super predators need to be brought to heel, but now Democrats are the "Let Dzhokhar Vote!" party.
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Republicans used to stand for something called "rule of law." Not rule of Trump.
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The Guardian's original reporting I think is better and more detailed, and also contains some of the full text messages between Rep. Shea and these extremists:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/matt-shea-rightwing-messages-chat-records
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Republicans can only survive politically by normalizing atrocity, and by failing to speak out against it they are condoning atrocity. The more this behavior takes place the more it will be normalized and the more people will die.
Its the end result of fear based radicalization and religious fundamentalism.
Voters truly dont understand how unhinged the GOP in this state is, that they could be anywhere close to power should fucking frighten everyone.
The republicans want:
Guns everywhere Vaccine exemptions Deny climate change
Basically kill everything and everyone.
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Republicans can only survive politically by normalizing atrocity
You mean by, for example, describing the murder of 3,000 people as "some people did something?"
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You'd have a point if the terrorists were Democrats. Instead, they were almost all Saudi. Not sure you want to go in depth on the ties between Saudi Arabia and Republicans.
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Saudi Arabia and the US govt.
FTFY.
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Did the Saudis give $10 million to the Trump Foundation or something?
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They gave much, much, more. Which is why Trump is their little bottom bitch, giving up nuclear secrets.
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you: Refuses to answer the question and claims goalposts were moved
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Oh you mean her quote taken out of context?
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/11/18306436/ilhan-omar-911-islamophobia-republicans
Meanwhile Turmp gives aid and comfort to Nazi sympathizers. I guess the holocaust was just "some people doing something"?
I take it you dont want to talk about the GOP wanting to arm every school shooter with an AR-15?
Whenever the GOP said thoughts and prayers they were NORMALIZING mass shootings by trying to cut off debate about gun control.
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I guess the holocaust was just "some people doing something"?
Donchyaknow, the holocaust was made up by (((them)))(am i using this dog-whistle alt-right?) to gain sympathy so (((they)))(it means JEWS for the unaware) could take over the banks and media when no one was lukin!
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Lol, "out of context." Right, it's not like she has a history of requesting leniency for ISIS terrorists, voting to let terrorists keep death benefits, or blaming the U.S. for Islamic terrorism.
It's just absurd to think her remarks were minimizing terrorism as she delivered them to a Hamas front group.
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So your condoning the actions of the NRA and republicans for facilitating the deaths of 30,000 Americans anually?
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You dont need to take Omar's quote out of context to see how tone deaf it is. Referring to 9/11 as "something" minimalizes the event. Im not ascribing shitty motives to her based on what she said. But she's got to be a bit more aware of how something like that is going to sound to a lot of people.
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Saudi Arabians and Al Qaida were responsible for 9-11 not Omar.
Trump looked the other way when Mohammad Bin Salman ordered the killing of an American journalist and you have the audacity to suggest Omar is the problem?
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This guy needs to be expelled and then arrested and charged with inciting violence. He is a shit stain of a Washingtonian.
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Here is the letter from the Washington State Democrats calling for the State House Republican Caucus to oust Rep. Shea:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogx26g137fkfdih/Dear%20WA%20GOP%20and%20Caucus.pdf?dl=0
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Spoiler alert: they won't. WA GOP is as bankrupt as the national GOP.
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If they oust him it's safe to say another Republican will be elected - the R next to his name is what's getting him perpetually elected in his district. It's as simple as "better than a democrat" for many, and others like his crazy shit.
You'd think now that the legislative session is nearly over and his power isn't as meaningful they'd consider it, but they are pretty stubborn.
I lived in that district for a few years and still own a house over there. There's a guy down the street in our planned neighborhood, houses built 2004-now, 4 blocks from an elementary school, with a homemade Trump bumper sticker and flag. This last cycle we did see more variance in yard signs so I feel like things are slowly changing, but it's slow.
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It's not the case here. A middle-roader Republican tried to primary him and failed. In fact, it was the Sherrif of that county. Still failed
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Washington 2020 Election
Primary Registration Deadline: May 18, 2020
Primary Election: May 26, 2020
Ballots Due: November 3, 2020
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Said it before, fuck Matt Shea.
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Oh shit. The portal from r/politics is open again :-(.
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Heh, “How dare you use our tactics against us!!”
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Pretty sure that this is the same dude that basically wrote a manifesto about establishing a Christian theocracy in the US, if memory serves. Absolute fucking nutjob.
Posted this last time his name came up, but feel free to have a peek at his wacko manifesto.
Dude is fucking scary.
I like it how he gets the numbers for troop amounts per organizational unit wrong and doesn't include units above battalion size. This knowledge isn't common knowledge but this is a guy who seemingly fetishizes the idea of large scale armed conflict. Also,he was in the army!
Great googly-moogly, that is fucking bananas.
Old man Fookwire?
Those darn squirrels
Guy is throwing around semicolons like a parody of a bad English professor but has a grammatical error in the second line.
Same guy.