Meanwhile, in the Hasbro/WOTC Boardroom...
Posted Jul 2, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC
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This meme never gets old
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Just like Domri
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Ouch Burn...
dont worry he cant hear us
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My thoughts too. Like a Rick Roll, always happy to see it.
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Momir every week!
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*omniscience draft every day!
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I didnt even bother with that. Figured it was a shit show.
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I think Momir is actually less RNG thann Omniscence, it shouldn't be apparently, but I have a 75% winrate in Momir in like 50-60 matches
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These are both terrible ideas...
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Omniscience is a cluster of a format, worse of them all.
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Still waiting for mac support... but at this rate i might never log back on ever again if they keep focusing on cash and not fun... also if im gonna spend cash on magic it will be for real cards, not virtual...
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This was a huge selling point during closed beta and initial announcements. It was going to be cross platform and have mac support when it left beta. I got down voted to shit when I told people to not hold their breath and that Mtgo was also supposed to have mac support and that never happened. "But arena is written in unity!" they said, "It would be idiotic for them not to release it on mac!"
Surprise! Mac support is not even on the road map anymore.
At least we have pets now! /s
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We're near 2 years of beta and there still isn't a single social aspect to the game, we don't even have a basic friend list
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I'm reposting a comment I made this morning because it directly talks about this:
Playing devils advocate here - Where I work we recently got a massive budget for new machines totaling 10 million but to get that we had to prove that we actually needed them. Upper management wasn't happy with us just showing them the delta of current output v needed output, they wanted to see what we and are going to do to improve the output of what we currently have. So we collected all the output improvement projects for the past 5 years and showed it to them. The main question they had (which we knew they were going to ask) was is there anything more we can do. So along with what we had done, we presented what we are going to do. Essentially what they wanted to see was that any further improvements are going to yield diminishing returns, so the example we used was we can spend 10 million on what we have, it will give us x but 10 million on new machines will give us y. When they saw that, they were happy to approve the 10 million.
I've worked in several industries and it was basically the same approach to get money for huge projects in all of them as it was above. I don't see why it would be different here. Except instead of output improvement it's money improvement (which is essentially the same at the end of the day anyway). I can easily see the Arena team ask for more money so they can implement commander, modern etc. and upper management are saying the exact same thing to them - prove to us you can't make any more money with what you have and we will give you a bigger budget. So here we are with a new mastery system which you can pay to get levels, pay to get max level or not pay at all. In three months time the team may be returning to upper management saying we implemented this, it pissed a lot of people off and it didn't make a whole lot of money (or maybe it will, who knows). Upper management say fine - here's 10 devs go implement modern or whatever.
I'm just looking at this from a different angle, one that I have experience in as this is a business at the end of the day.
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The difference between this is that when dealing with customer facing decisions, intangibles like customer loyalty is lost and in my experience, most executives either forget to take that into account or disregard the data is soft.
Squeezing your customer base until there is backlash has severe diminishing returns and once a customer is gone, it is much more difficult to get them back, as opposed to slowly rolling out changes. Boil the crab properly.
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Capitalism!
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Imagine in This format:
Wizards: Plz spend??
Players: Commander? Friends lists? Less grind?
Wizards: No improvement. Only spend.
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Mobile support when? How is this not a feature yet?!
It’s like they don’t want our money...
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I seriously doubt that there will be a mobile version, the game simply demands too much performance. It plays great on my Miix 520 though, which can be used as a tablet with touch controls and even has a LTE module.
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Have you tried Chrome Remote Desktop? It's decent if you have a good sized phone.
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you need a REALLY good internet connection and even then its pretty ropey ..
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No, haven’t heard of it. Have you had success with it and Arena?
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Its incredibly mediocre...but it is what i use.we do really need a mobile client.
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You guys should try SteamLink. I can play MTGA on my phone with little to no delay (still need a good connection speed)
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Don't forget these stupid cats.
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It's funny bcoz it's true.
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Exactly, I wish WOTC would introduce some new formats already, like a form of modern where you can use old MTGA cards that have rotated out.
Oh wait.
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Yeah like the ones that existed during alpha... o wait 😛
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I really wish they’d go back all the way to amonkhet but I know that’s highly personal since that’s the set that really got me into magic
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Also get us a friendlist and a watch a friend play mode...
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For real tho. Is there any way to incentivise more that won't be seen as a punishment by people who don't benefit from it?
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Their mistake was taking a weekly cap, splitting it up into chunks, and turning it into a daily cap.
If they had replaced the 15 wins/3 packs weekly cap with an uncapped Mastery track that gave about the same number of packs for the same amount of time, but kept giving more packs after that for additional time investment, everyone would have been thrilled.
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I mean as a limited player these changes have zero interest to me. I'd buy a pass if we could exchange the mythic icrs and 20 packs for draft tickets.
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Yeah, I'm afraid that with everything they changed, and with every game being a control meta screw you... I'm gonna have to say I'm out. If they find a way to put Multiplayer Commander (or even that god awful commander light) I might come back.
But til then, no more of my money for Arena.
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Isn't this game still in beta?
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It's too beta to have a friends list but not too beta to give us digital cats on the side of the board?
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The people responsible for making a friends list and the people who put digital cats on the side of the board are two incredibly different people with probably little to no skills overlap.
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So why are they prioritizing hiring people to make cats on the side of the board instead of hiring people to make a friends list?
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It will likely never leave beta. Thats how they justify never actually finishing games these days. I am pretty sure Fortnite is still in beta despite that its has already started to sunset.
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i legit was excited for the eternal format, i was hoping and expecting kaladesh and amonketh alonside a casual/ranked mode for it. Instead its 1 mode and its the current standard. Whoopty fuckin do.
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Same, still hoping for kaladesh and amonkhet to make a return though
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a fucking friends list maybe? I have so many friends that play magic but who knows if they log on to play arena.
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Would love to see a tribal mode or something like that, and commander too
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Its actually insane how much work they put into getting us to spend money instead of making any improvements. Its shameful and i think if they didnt have the strong magic ip and card design the game would have failed a while ago.
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🦀🦀🦀🦀WOTC IS POWERLESS TO INVESTOR DEMANDS🦀🦀🦀🦀
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How about just not letting anyone log into the game?
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Well if they not just already talked about this they want to bring stuff lke commander to the game but need much time for that because multiplayer isn't coded in the game atleast not like it needs to bedone for modes like Commander. And they don't want to divide the playerbase by leaving stuff like Pauper or Singelton avaible all the time.
I understand that we all want modes like Commander in the game or atleast Brawl would be fun to play that when you RDW or Esperd all daylong to calm down till you don't want to shove the next person their deck up the buthole next time you see a real player with Esper or RDW. But hey that'S what MTGO is for.
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Seriously get some two headed giant and commander.
We're going to be waiting a long time for formats with more than 2 players. I don't know why people keep mentioning it in the same breath as Commander/Brawl and a friends list when it's going to require way, way more work than either of those features.
They still have bugs in normal 2 player modes.
Man people are always gonna speak up about stuff they want to see, nothing wrong with that.
We're 18 months into beta but no friends list, instead we get pets and stuff so shrug
That's fair, I just think a lot of people underestimate how much work implementing more than 2 players will take. The devs said themselves that it's a huge mountain to climb.
Specially when they are so competent at their job that they can't implement a basic friends list nor make the game not have to reinstall every update.
Magic duals runs on my ipad for years now and at its peak had great online 2v2... I still go back to that game from time to time even though they stopped updating after Amonkhet not even completing the block with HOU
Sure it’s a lot of work to get things to work but it’s not exactly honest to act like they have to invent the wheel here...
It wouldn't be that much of a problem if game was already designed in a way to support more than 2 players. If you start coding and don't make your code future proof then you will have to create everything from the start anyway. And we know devs aren't the best coders around. They already knew beforehand what they get themselves into and could easily plan how to implement Magic systems.
Friend list are not hard to do, hell I can do one without problem. Also Magic Arena is created in Unity you can literally google "unity friend list tutorial" and get hundreds of guides. If they can't implement something as simple as that in less than one month it means that whoever designed their server is incompetent.
Honestly asking, what is it you want a friends list to do that discord integration cannot do already?
Uh, play the game with them? Like actually click a friend's profile and invite them to a match. They don't have to add that or even voice chat, just a friends list where you can see who's online and invite them to a game. It's online game 101.
Man I barely use Discord. It's ok and it does a lot of things better than what it's trying to replace, but it really sucks for an IM client which is what I'd need to use to chat with someone outside the game.
Maybe this is because I'm in my 30's (?) but me and my social circles really aren't already embedded in Discord, so my friends that even have it aren't logged in 24/7 and neither am I.
Why is a separate program in any way needed here?
I mean, I’d be down for 1v1 commander/brawl. Theres lots of fun build around legendaries in standard right now.
I mean some of the previous Magic titles had multiplayer (as in like 2v1 and 4 player ffa etc) modes didn't they?
And if I had to wager a guess, I'd bet the marketing department that keeps coming up with these shitty unpopular ideas gets 10x's the cash the tech side that actually works on the game gets
It's just funny how in the time when Valve\Riot create their own autochess, a whole standalone games, someone else is uncapable of writing a code for game mode with several players in their game. Damn, in same time some studios create their own full games from scratch. And we can't have a game mode in card game.
2HG is such a stretch to ask for, and it wouldn't be popular long anyway.
My favorite thing about the console games.
Instead of adding good content they are focused on pet cats and monetizing the game, trying to make it appeal to the hearthstone crowd with animations and things to click on the game board.
Lovin' that corporate logic. Just ignore the established online community of paper/MTGO players. We have, no, we must appeal to heartstone players to stand a chance! No 2HG, no friend lists. No recurring income! Just keep pushing cosmetics during the "BETA".
"beta" what a joke! Back in my day, beta was for games that needed testing. But beta now means "code as you go" as long mtga keeps getting recurring spending.
I regret buying any gems because WoTc rather keep using tactics similar to squeezing water out of rocks to justify mtga existence.
2hg without being able.to communicate in app via chat or voice sounds atrocious. The while point of 2hg is ... 2 heads. I can't imagine it translating to arena well at all. ( And 2hg sealed is one of my favorite formats)
You realize they can't implement Commander specifically without also implementing the dozens and dozens of sets that aren't currently in the game, right?
Standard-only Commander plays a lot worse than people think it does - that's what Brawl is for.
Then they should add brawl
People keep mentioning Commander in Arena when they mean Brawl. Commander comes with an extra 20000 or so cards above standard so would potentially take years to implement smoothly
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. It's an ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless.
Hey, we don't want people having too much fun!
My guess is that commander/brawl would be harder to monetize so it is very low on the MTGA bucket list
What was the format that was 3v1 where the single player gets 40 life? I wish that one was in the game.
Both these formats would have me sinking in a LOT more money into Arena.
More like Two Headed Troll.
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Give me pentagram as well
We ain't gonna get those on Arena, you'd better get MTGO for this.
Seriously we dont need shit casual formats for retards when there's still so much to be done regarding important things. keep playing 2hg and commander with your special needs friends at the playground
Rood