r/mtgfinance•
CardAddicts

Brawl decks severely allocated in the US

Just a heads up to those that have preordered or plan on picking up release weekend and haven't- I just got off the phone with my Southern Hobby rep and of my preorder of 40 displays (320 decks), we are only getting 2 (16 decks). According to him, that is the most of any of his accounts, and after checking with some other store owners, this seems to be the case across the nation.

We routinely order 120+ boxes between prerelease and release and usually around 250-300 prereelase kits each set, so we aren't a really small or new account, which I would maybe then understand.

Also, to confirm the earlier post, they do not include the 2 ELD packs as accidentally shown in early product pictures.

TL;DR- do not be surprised if your preorders get cancelled, however, do not expect to walk into your LGS day of release and pick these up either.

Posted Sep 5, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

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throwman_11•

If these are not widely circulated then brawl is dead on arrival. It will be an arena only format.

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GreedyBeedy•

Going according to plan then probably.

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throwman_11•

It would be in wizards best interest for this to be more than an arena thing. They want people buying standard sets.

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surgingchaos•

Not only that, but people would rather play EDH than Brawl. A big allure of EDH is that cards never rotate.

I wish Wizards would stop pushing Brawl so hard. Yes, we get it. We know you want to push selling packs and Standard sets that become useless after a year due to rotation. But the players don't want that. They want their cards to be playable forever.

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throwman_11•

Yea I don't see what the issue with brawl is. It's basically standard vs legacy.

Legacy will always be better but standard is easier to get into. Same can be said for EDH and Brawl. I don't plan to play brawl at all but I can see why they are doing it. All it means for us is that they print more cool EDH cards in standard set.

However if they are gonna make cards like arcane signet they better fucking print a ton of these precons. Otherwise they are just making the problem worse.

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Hermitthedruid•

I love Brawl precisely because it’s not a giant Legacy-sized card pool. It’s a frigging casual format and should be treated as such.

If I really want to show off my wallet competitively, I’d rather do it right with Legacy and Modern rather than a casual based format like Commander or Brawl.

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gereffi•

It seems like a great format for people who like to draft every week. This could be like a free format for those who draft every week and don't mind trading a little bit.

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testthewest•

What's the problem in supporting a format you don't like, if you are someone that doesn't want to buy many new cards anyway?

What do you want WotC to do? Print 4 standard set/year and that's it?

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Ternader•

These two things are not mutually exclusive

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Aenarion885•

Seeing "Return to Zendikar For Real This Time, Guys", I'm guessing this year's Brawl decks include Shocks, Scrylands from Core2020. Next year's could include Allied Scrylands from "Return of the Elspeth" and enemy fetchlands from Zendikar. That would certainly be a reprint that would keep them going.

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Daeyel1•

Why is everyone so insistent on a fetchland reprint in Zendikar?

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The last time Fetches were reprinted in Standard, it was not a Zendikar set. The Battle for Zendikar set had a different cycle.

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kalex716•

With Wizards penchant for coupling up premium topper packs and stuff, its likely we see fetch reprint in something in that context there, but those wont be standard legal.

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DRUMS11•

then brawl is dead on arrival

Brawl was introduced as a format last March. My impression is that it has been more-or-less dead for 5 or 6 months.

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throwman_11•

It was not supported before this is their first real move at supporting it.

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sirgog•

It died when they refused to ban Baral. This is an attempt to resurrect it.

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MailChimper•

Baral is banned

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sirgog•

Yeah but the ban took too long, and the format died in that period.

Kinda the same as how Mirrodin-Kamigawa Standard was utterly ruined by the Affinity decks even though they were banned before Mirrodin rotated.

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mtd14•

The bigger issue is if any of the unique cards see standard play, right?

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throwman_11•

For real. Not mass printing these like commander precons would be horrible for wotc.

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MailChimper•

It will only ever be an arena format and i doubt it will even be that popular on there.

Multiplayer games don't have much draw online, compare paper commander to commander on MTGO.

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NeighborGeek•

A huge part of the draw to multiplayer formats is the social interaction with the other players. That is severely restricted on MTGO, and non-existent on Arena. As long as you're limited to a handful of emotes, I can't see multiplayer ever taking off on Arena.

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MooBaloo•

Heck, Arena still doesn't have a friends list!

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Blenderhead36•

Personally, I think a Friends List is an oversold feature. This isn't 2010 anymore. Most PC users have multiple launchers with a scattershot of friends spread through them, with Discord functioning as a unified friends list.

Beyond that, Arena is a strictly 1v1 game. It's not like you're looking for teammates in LoL or WoW or something. You don't need a readymade list of friends to get anything done in Arena.

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Grushvak•

What an absolute fucking shitshow. How very consumer hostile. They create must-have cards for the most popular casual format in existence ([[Arcane Signet]], EDH auto-include) and put them in a preconstructed deck for a format no one cares about and that already died once before, with eulogy and funeral and all. But then it turns out that this entire gimmick, this shitty excuse for a format revival, isn't even going to offer enough supply to meet the demand of the EDH players who, let's repeat this, are only reluctantly buying this because they want the singles, not because they like the product. They're instead going to have to crack collector's packs for a low low chance at one of the Brawl precon exclusive cards, making the new format staples ridiculously scarce and expensive.

And meanwhile, it will be extremely hard to get a Brawl deck for all the players that legitimately care about Brawl. Yes, all three of them.

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RandomRedditReader•

My EDH group has kind of decided to give up card chasing and started allowing proxies for this reason.

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StagOfBaratheon•

Yeah, if wizards keeps fucking EDH players, I'm no longer spending my money. I've already sunk thousands into it, I refuse to do more because of terrible business decisions.

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TigerTerrier•

again, late to the show but I have started doing this more because I love Magic, but I just want to play the game. I am not down for a scavenger hunt for this stuff.

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DotA__2•

How very consumer hostile

which is a not insubstantial part of why this sub exists.

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MTGCardFetcher•

Arcane Signet - (G) (SF) (txt)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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TigerTerrier•

Late to the show but it boggles my mind how bad this whole this, and I have only been playing since Dominaria. I was going to order one just to have to play in case there is enough demand for brawl and if not add to my commander deck but nope, I cant find them and im not paying double for a resale. I could get burnt out really quickly with this stuff if they either price everything out or make it impossible to get.

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testthewest•

How can these cards be "must-have ", if it is a casual format? Arcane Signet isn't even that much better than any other 2mans manarock.

Also, if you don't like it, just ban those cards in your playgroup.

Also, EDH did the same and worse with legacy. They got their stupid product and legacy players had to get the Flusterstorms and TNN's included. And they had less choice, since legacy is competitive and not casual.

And remember: EDH was also niche at that time.

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Grushvak•

Oh boy oh boy. EDH is not strictly a casual format. Deck optimization matters. Redundancy matters in a 100 cards singleton format. Houserules and custom banlists only work at the kichen table. Two wrongs do not make a right. EDH was bigger then than Brawl presumably ever will be. The Commander products courted an already large and thriving EDH community.

Know what you're talking about.

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testthewest•

EDH is also not a strictly competitive format. You will not lose even one game, because you didn't have an Arcane Signet. Also what exactly are you talking about, when you mean "only work at the kitchen table"? You can ask any group you play with feels the same. And if many EDH players hate those Brawl precons (funnily, the more expensive EDH precon-only cards are fine), then it shouldn't be that hard to get everyone on board.

EDH was basically not existant in europe, before they pushed it. Even until very recently, EDH wasn't a big thing, the EDH staple were quite cheap.

Also you missed any rebuttal that your beloved EDH and its products made must-have cards for competitive formats, and now whine about getting the same treatment from Brawl products.

Also, instead of buying the worse and worse Commander precons, you could pay half, grab the Bant Brawl deck and probably get more good cards for EDH, then Commander 2019 has.

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Grushvak•

You're one dense customer. You don't ask your LGS to ban fetchlands in Modern any more than you ask them to ban Arcane Signet in EDH. Rebuttal to the effect of EDH precons on eternal formats: two wrongs do not make a right. It's right there you cabbage. Read the posts you're responding to. Know, still, what you are talking about.

You will not lose one game of EDH because you didn't have arcane signet? Patently false. This is false about any optimal card in any format. To pretend otherwise is to obliviously dismiss the entire concept of card quality and deck optimization.

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MailChimper•

Interesting news, especially since Face to Face has completely removed all Throne pre-order items from their online store.

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DownAndOutInLondon•

They are back up. The Brawl decks are sold out, but other stuff in stock.

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AFM420•

They are back up and went from $85 to $134 CAD.

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DownAndOutInLondon•

Wow. I bought at $114 CAD last night. Was starting regret it now that we know the two packs weren't included, but if the prices keep climbing, I guess I'll hold off cancelling.

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AFM420•

Yeah I almost bought it at $99. Clicked back on it and it was 114. At that point I didn’t care anymore.

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Protostar23•

So is WotC just pulling another allocation stunt to boost sales like they have with booster boxes? Create artificial scarcity to drive demand and then following up with huge print numbers?

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Griever114•

Nintendo does that shit all the damn time. And it works all the damn time

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Sealed_J_Sword•

I remember driving around different bestbuys/gamestops trying to get a collectors edition Fire Emblem and a SNES mini. They definitely know about the demand and always under deliver...

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punninglinguist•

Yet here are you years later, still talking about how much you wanted that Nintendo product. It seems to me that Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing.

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Sealed_J_Sword•

Yeah, I was agreeing that they knew what they were doing. There was no disagreement there. Thus 'they DEFINITELY KNOW about the demand and always under deliver...'

There is no 'seems' about it.

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roguedeckbuilder•

Yes. This has been the norm since Dominaria on basically every release. They even pulled this with Gideon Spellbooks and then dumped them on the public after nobody wanted them. I can STILL order Gideon Spellbooks from one distributor.

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Hermitthedruid•

Thanks for reminding me. I wanted one at $20 when it first came out, balked at the $25 price my LGS wanted. Now just got a sealed case of 6 at $100 after taxes and promotions. 👍

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JBThunder•

Yeah I would expect most of the internet preorders to be cancelled at this point. I've heard even some of the larger internet stores have been allocated more on this product than anything they've seen in 10+ years. It feels like Commander 2011 or MM1 right now.

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roguedeckbuilder•

Can confirm. I am only getting 2 as well. However this isn't too far out of the ordinary. Comparing this to Boxes or pre-release kits is not comparing apples and apples. Typically Planeswalker decks are also allocated in super low numbers each set and then are very easy to restock after the release allocations go to open order. In my opinion this is a more fair comparison. However, Wizards is being silent on availability after release, so there is that to consider.

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FitAFJesus•
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Daeyel1•

If the Brawl decks end up having exclusive cards, this could be a PR disaster.

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CardAddictsOP•

There are Brawl exclusive cards, that has been confirmed. They'll only be available via the decks and Collector's boosters.

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RandomRedditReader•

I don't think Wizards cares if supply does not meet demand. They know to print just enough to drive the secondary market into a buying frenzy.

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GSOwner•

I can vouch for this as well. I ordered 10 displays and only getting 2 displays also.

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Fradulent_Zodiac•

Their newfound product allocation strategy is to be overly conservative at the outset, gauge demand, then release a big 2nd wave if needed.

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jemm13•

yet, they never do because insider trading is a thing...

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Nekrotek•

Yeah, my local shop is getting 0. Apparently all the distributors in the area sold their stock to a single store in another city, so no one in town is getting any.

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GRat9717•

Wow. That's a really tiny allocation. Thanks for sharing.

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Kabrosif•

Nobody cares about Brawl. I wish WOTC would stop shoving these new formats down our throats. Just give players what they want. Good Reprints, solid draft environments, Standard, Modern, Commander. Rinse/Repeat. Done. All this hype over Brawl, Frontier, Standard-Extended, ect. ect. It’s exhausting to say the least. And for the Arena players have fun I hope they do all kinds of cool shit on there for them. But keeping up with paper magic as it is is way more expensive and extensive.

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Sealed_J_Sword•

I've been told that they are trying to cater to multiple target audiences and don't really expect anyone to keep up with all the different products. Also, everytime there's a post-modern post it is somewhat popular (maybe some speculators, maybe some players).

That said, pushing a format that failed by not providing enough allocation makes no sense for accessibility.

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FitAFJesus•

I mean, I bet just a ton of Commander players are going to buy these.

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hakuzilla•

Decks have shocks and relevant commander cards.

Can't say that they're bad.

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Blutlol•

The only reason there's hype for the Brawl decks among paper players is that one of the commanders is busted and Arcane Signet is a broken card as well.

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Jaccount•

Well, that and each one has a shockland and offers some of the best value for any precon that Wizards has printed since the original Challenger decks or the 4-color commander decks.

Also doesn't hurt that Commander decks have been pretty heavily mediocre the past two years.

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Blutlol•

Best value depends entirely on what they end up selling for. I won't be paying $120 for the set for example which one site had it listed at. I know Gamenerdz had the pre-order for around $60, that would be pretty good value I agree. Print run matters a lot too, most commander players have their shocklands by now but everyone's going to want multiple Arcane Signets, if the print run is tiny and those go to $15 a pop then the deal looks a lot better.

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thorpey949•

Magicmadhouse in the UK has the brawl set for around ÂŁ60 for all 4 which seems good.

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hejtmane•

Commander players never have enough shock land; we are suckers for having tons of decks that do dumb, crazy or weird things.

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DotA__2•

Arcane Signet is a broken card

it's really hard to take anything you say seriously with a comment like that.

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cros5bones•

It sets a new standard for 2 mana rocks. And it'll be pricey if it never gets reprinted.

It's not broken but its existence is definitely problematic.

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uormatthews•

Its a new staple, for sure, but in most four player games its not significantly different than Fellwar Stone. Its not problematic, just a good card that will have demand.

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aaalex666•

"Problematic"? It's just a fellwar stone. Come on

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R3N0_J4CK50N•

LMAO.... TIL a 2 drop mana rock is “problematic”. Meanwhile, I’m Flash Hulking and killing entire pods on turn 2........

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Mtg4myboy•

The good hards (if any) are going to be expensive. The same applies to commander 19.

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DoomedKiblets•

Whelp, won't buy them since their value and lack of code makes the product SUCK so, not missing much.

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MagicSvenSven•

here comes the pro...

chuckle

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