Drunk Indianapolis Police Officer mows down three motorists, kills one. He just had his DUI charges dropped.
indystar.com/article/20100820/NEWS02/8200335/...Posted Aug 20, 2010, 12:14 PM UTC
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I'm never jump in on these cop bashing stories but this one is on a whole 'nother level. There's no way this is anything but a gift to that drunk cop.
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People need to start doing mass protest whenever this ridiculous shit happens.
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There is protest set for 6:30pm on Monument circle in Indianapolis. If you're in the area, please attend.
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I'm there.
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make sure you know your rights with respect to photographing police
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Awesome. Looking forward to that post. Give em hell.
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They allow taking pics in jail?
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let us know if the cops show up in full riot gear and start beating people
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let us know when the cops show up in full riot gear and start beating people
FTFY
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can you update this thread after it's done? I'm really interested in what is going to happen.
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I will do that. Unfortunately I don't have a decent camera but I will do what I can.
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I'll take pics and update as much as I can.
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I know I'll be there.
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"Let them march all they want, as long as they continue to pay their taxes."
-Alexander Haig, U.S. Sec. of State, June 12, 1982
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Wow, I wonder if this would be a better form of protest. I know so many people would pussy out but what if your state or Federal government was doing something really shitty? Organize around April, don't pay your state or federal taxes, write a petition (not to try to get anything done with that alone, but rather to let them know that's why X many people aren't paying their taxes) and withhold your taxes en masse and be prepared for the consequences. When the money starts getting to be more than what the lobby is paying...well guess who the government is going to listen to?
I know its lame, but I think its far better than protest methods people have come up with so far, no? Money talks. Individuals don't have so much money to lobby with. Government expects x amount of dollars from the public. Public says no, they want certain interest met. Public withholds money in lieu of lobbying.
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Can you show me an example in the past 10 years where protest was an effective method of changing government policy or holding corrupt officials accountable?
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You are absolutely right...
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I didnt say that either.
edit: op changed his comment, it used to suggest violence.
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"Blood alone moves the wheels of history" - Dwight Schrute
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Failed coup, Venezuela, 2002. People took to the streets and demanded their president and constitution be re-instated.
I'm unsure why you have put a ten year limit on your question, otherwise I would point you to Gandhi's peaceful, yet highly effective, campaign for Indian freedom from British rule.
Gandhi's technique of direct action, civil disobedience and peaceful protest succeeded where insurgency failed; he and his followers didn't need the help of France, Spain and Holland either. :)
You do need to pick the right action to take given the circumstances, but violence is usually not it, killing a bunch of police will make people think you're an arse and popular support is required if change is going to happen.
Protesters should take direct action that will garner support, raise the profile of the issue and -- most importantly -- piss the police right off. The protest already planned is a great start, it will have to be policed and I bet they'll all know -- and feel ashamed -- of why it's taking place. Here are some other ideas:
- block traffic on a busy street;
- protest right outside the police station;
- en-masse refusal to pay taxes;
- city-wide strike and protest;
- continuously ring, fax and e-mail fake reports of drunk-driving police officers to the police.
You'll probably need to break the law, but any action the police take against protesters will only further your cause. It's worth spending a bit of time in jail or getting a beating if it galvanises public support.
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Okay. Good example.
Now how about one in America?
Also, people are trying this in new hampshire. You might want to check out freekeene.com
The local government's reaction has been to pass new laws specifically targeting the protesters actions, and using more force rather then less.
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The media is usually pretty good at spinning protesters as the nuisance and the police as the knights. We live in a different climate than that in which Ghandi lived. It's much more difficult to effect change when you message is constantly being fed through the spin machine.
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Tea Party Movement. I hate them with a passion, but they have some people scared to death for sure. I am sure this has changed the way some do business, but I am also sure they would never admit to this.
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What significant policy changes has the tea party been able to effect?
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The republicans are scared of these people, that much is easy to see.
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Can you provide an example of this? And what happened to the exposed corrupt official?
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Protests are very effective. If the major sponsors / owners of our elected officials protest, the government officials change. You and I protest nothing happens. We are not rich enough to have our voices heard.
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Not quite that recently, but I'd say that the Vietnam war protests did eventually result in the US pulling out of that quagmire. Of course, it took a Republican president to do it.
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It will make me feel better. Can't that be enough for you?
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huh? I'm not preventing anyone from protesting. Go for it. I support your right to speak your mind and protest what you want.
But I do consider your position that your feelings are more important then actually results to be a bit distressing.
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It's hard. Change is really, really hard.
But some people have a need to express the outrage they feel, so they will take to the streets just for that. I used to think they were stupid for being so ineffective, but hey, people need to vent.
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Does protesting against a public option count?
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No. The anti-health care protests wernt against the specific of public option health care. They were against government health care.
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See: Bell, California
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I thought the Bell reps still got their pensions? Been kinda following this story.
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When everyone marches with a gun, it usually has more impact.
edit: I guess whoever down-modded me has never heard of a militia.
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People need to stop recognizing police authority when shit this ridiculous happens.
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I, for one, have chosen to never recognize the stopping force of tasers.
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Wholeheartedly agree. I can't even begin to comprehend how this shit happens once let alone multiple times all across the country
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Then you apparently have not been watching closely enough, because this type of thing goes on all the time. Even moreso when the internet wasn't around to bypass the MSM.
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Of course, its not just cops. The entire system has tremendous flaws where common sense should step in and say o.O but it just happens that people usually get far more upset when its cops.
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Well, I think they should be held to a higher standard, what with being able to kill people at will and "enforcing the laws" and all.
Same reason autoimmune diseases are bad in comparison to other diseases and disorders.. once the law and order enforcement of the body goes, the rest is toast. This is the sad state of the U.S.A. in its police and especially the military (sweet sacred Christian obese cow that it is).
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these cop bashing stories
How is it cop bashing when cops fuck up and other cops and the judicial system cover for them?
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Yes it is a gift but unlike most of these kind of stories I came away satisfied. The cop who gave the gift lost his position. If the guys giving gifts have to worry about the consequences of those gifts, there aren't going to be many in the future. This is a VERY GOOD THING.
What's so depressing about most of these bad cop stories is that there's no consequences at all for the cops. This story was different.
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The Lt. in charge of the investigation was reassigned to a different job for the same pay. I hardly think that constitutes justice here.
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I know, I won't rest until he gets at least a two week paid leave like the ones that shoot people.
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He got moved from one desk to another. No leave, no interruption in his paychecks. But it sure looks like they did something to him, doesn't it?
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Lost his position?!?! You think that equates to justice? That/those officers should be charged as accomplices
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I think that equates to "a start".
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If you dont mind me asking, what stands out to you in this particular incident that motivates you to participate as opposed to other stories of police brutality or abuse of authority?
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But he killed only one person plus .19 is like eating some apples. I think everyone is just overreacting a bit...
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Here is another gem: "Initially, an IMPD spokesman said publicly that the motorcyclists had failed to move over as Bisard's car approached.
But witnesses said they were blocked in by cars, and motorcycle safety experts said the motorcyclists did the right thing by staying put."
And then, "At first, that fallout appeared to be limited to a judge's ruling at the morning hearing denying prosecutors' request to suspend Bisard's driver's license."
Mayors office: 317-327-3601 Prosecutor Brizzi office: 317-327-3522
edit: phone numbers.
I know of no private citizen who would have been afforded the courtesy of keeping their driving privileges.
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I just called and talked to the assistant prosecutor. She was very nice. She told me even though the dui was dropped he he still facing up to 21 0r 22 years for reckless homicide and some other charges.
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Good on you! Glad to know he's still looking at doing some "cop-friendly" jailtime.
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With the DUI inadmissible, their best weapon to convict him for homicide is gone. Now all they have on him is that he violated policy.
He'll probably walk.
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Reckless homicide carries 2- 8 years (class c felony)
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2 X criminal recklessness carries 6 months - 3 years (class d felony)
This is what the Indianapolis star says today. All 3 charges above have been filed. Evidently the assistant prosecutor lied to me on the phone. This man is facing 14 years Max. But for every day you serve you get a day off of your sentence. So actually he is looking at 7 years MAX. I bet he gets in the 2-4 year range.
Not bad for killing someone drunk. If this were you or I, we would be doing close to life in prison.
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still facing up to 21 0r 22 years for reckless homicide and some other charges
And you still believe them?
Probability of conviction: less than his BAC.
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Actually, no. I live in the Indianapolis area, so I've been following this on the local news channels.
The reason he is facing reckless homicide charges is because of the speed he was going, and improper use of emergency lights/sirens (another charge). Investigators are claiming that he was traveling at no-less than 70mph towards the intersection. While, he was in progress of lawful business. Although, that business was serving a warrant. Other officers at the home of the recipient of the warrant (in which he was responding to) have already stated in their reports that the person was not being belligerent, or any sort of action that would require the use of lights/sirens. On top of this not being an emergency situation, requiring lights/sirens, all emergency vehicles are required by law to slow down to a reasonable speed when passing through any intersection, and prepare to take evasive actions, or come to a complete stop in the case that someone enters the intersection as they are coming to it.
So, as Bisard was not responding to an emergency situation, he has no case as to why he would be using his lights/sirens or why he would be going that fast (If I remember correctly, 56th Street's max speed limit along the entire road is 40-45mph). So, on that basis alone, I'm pretty damn sure that he will be convicted of reckless homicide.
Beyond that, if he is tried by jury (which he should be, considering the charge), I'm even more damn sure that he will be convicted, because the city is PISSED AS FUCK about this. He fucked himself from the with the BAC, is not that it was dismissed. But, that his defense is "It's not admissable." He's not denying he was drunk, just that you can't convict him of it.
He's fucked, my friend. One way or another, he and the other officers that have fucked this case for IMPD. As well, the FBI was brought in, from my understanding, to conduct an IMPD/Outsider investigation into why this man still has his license. Why? He has wrecked nearly every police cruiser he has been assigned, as well as wrecking a few of his personal vehicles. Most accidents while he was drunk. Yes, this isn't his first on, or off-duty drunk driving accident.
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Respectfully, you're high. Save this post. It's pure fantasy.
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I called the Mayor's office and voiced my disgust over the way this case has been handled. The woman who answered was cordial as was I.
<<Indy native here.
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FTA:
And while his most serious dismissed charge would have carried a potential penalty of six to 20 years in prison, the reckless homicide charge's penalty range is two to eight years. The criminal recklessness counts each carry a maximum penalty of three years.
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[Here is another gem: "Initially, an IMPD spokesman said publicly that the motorcyclists had failed to move over as Bisard's car approached.]
Another point is that Bisard was driving 70mph through an intersection, for an non-emergency call. All against policy, even if he wasn't driving while intoxicated.
I think its total bullshit that they tried to initially blame the motorcyclists for not moving out of his way.
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This is a 35MPH zone btw, I pass this on a daily basis.
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I think its total bullshit that they cops tried to blame the victim of cop abuse
Welcome to earth.
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FUCK Brizzi
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Fo' shizzi!
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Brizzi is a shady character. One of his long time business partners, friends, and donors is under FBI/SEC investigation for a ponzi scheme. I would wager that the only reason Brizzi is making a big fuss out of this is to try to earn political points. Otherwise, he's the kind of guy that would try to sweep something like this under the rug.
That's a bit of conjecture on my part, but he's pretty wildly accepted to be a sleezeball by both parties.
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IANAL so yeah a lot of this stuff is going to be over my head, but I think we’ve got three separate problems here.
The first one is we hire kids from out in the sticks who come into the city hoping to live out their cop fantasies. These kids don’t understand the areas in which they work (are afraid of black folks) and do normal dumb ass kid stuff (drive too fast, drink too much, and talk too loud)
The second is the good old boy network way off doing things we have around here. (This by no means the first time we’ve seen this kind of shit)
The third is Brizzi being (in all likelihood) corrupt and a bit of a megalomaniac.
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No doubt Brizzi is dirty, but how has that applied in this case? He has no control over the investigation, he simply has to deal with the evidence presented. In this case, the evidence would clearly be inadmissable in court; hence the dropped charges. Blame the cops here, not Brizzi.
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I cannot stress how on the mark this guy is. Upvoted!
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Yeah, Brizzi is the prosecutor that got screwed by the mishandling of the evidence. He might be crooked in other ways but I doubt he was responsible for what led up to the mishandling of the evidence.
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Brizzi's gotta go.
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Eh, this is the rare case that doesn't even fall heavily on Brizzi's corrupt shoulders. Everyone else did a grand job of corrupting it before he could get to it. That said, anyone from Indy knows Brizzi should have resigned years ago. He's as corrupt as it gets.
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I concur. And I'm from Indianapolis so I can respond.
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I'm not sure you actually understand what a prosecutor does.
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keeping their driving privileges??? Isn't this text book manslaughter?
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I've seen that happen. Someone I know refused to take the breathalyzer which is supposed to be mandatory loss of license for x years. At the hearing his lawyer kept his license AND got him off after the Prosecutors took too long... they wanted to convict him, had 3 officer witnesses at all of the hearings.
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Nice for him, but in general never refuse an alcohol test. Just refuse the breathalyzer, tell them you want a blood test. It's more accurate, less prone to fiddling on the part of the officer, and the added time until they get you there and blood drawn means your BAC will be that much lower.
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It probably was, until the prosecutor said "Oh I know, lets whip this into a media frenzy by dropping the charges, and cause a shit ton of drama because I can't get my way!".
Its either that, or that the prosecutor is in on a massive conspiracy. Kind of hard to believe both, especially given the prosecutor knew exactly what the consequences of dropping the charges would be.
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I have been following this story and all I can say is that I am not surprised at all. I mean WTF? Really?
"But add in the mishap with the blood draw by seasoned alcohol-crash investigators, he said, and "there's only so many mistakes you can make before it starts looking like a plan."
"The system failed," Straub said. "Our investigation failed. . . . Yeah, we are embarrassed."
Embarrassed? Awww, they are embarrassed. Let's all feel sorry for them. Also, Prosecutor Carl Brizzi has been investigated for multiple count of corruption:
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"Thursday's Fox 59 investigative report on the early release of a convicted killer, Paula Willoughby, from prison after her father donated money to Brizzi and Chief Trial Deputy David Wyser's political campaigns was a major topic on the show."
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"A law enforcement source said IMPD is considering filing a disciplinary complaint against Brizzi for failing to file in time to hold the seized cash. At least $273,727 was seized in the raids, according to a tally of amounts listed in IMPD incident reports."
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" The FBI is collecting records on an Elkhart real estate deal and an Indianapolis drug case, both involving Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi and defense attorney Paul Page.
Page in 2008 arranged for Brizzi to own 50 percent of an office building leased by the Department of Child Services without Brizzi putting up cash or credit. A year later, Brizzi offered a lenient plea deal and returned $10,000 in seized cash to accused drug dealer Joseph Mobareki, a Page client."
And that is only a partial list.
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Organized crime has taken over our civilian police force.
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Serpico! Where are you?!
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Hiding in the woods like any sane person who went up against Government corruption. They don't play around, they will fucking kill you.
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4 THE MARE
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Sorry to tell you, but this isn't a new development.
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Only, the prosecutor and judge are not part of the police force? I mean I know its popular to bash on cops but you are going to have to expand your hate and stereotyping if you want to apply it to this situation.
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s/police force/justice department
If anything, your objection only points out that it's a bigger problem than havesometea1 suggests.
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“Bisard's attorney, John Kautzman, issued a statement commending Brizzi's office "for coming forward early with the candid admission that the facility and med tech were not properly certified." He said Bisard will continue to defend himself against the remaining charges.”
Even the defense attorney thinks Brizzi is going out of his way to help this guy get away with it. We all grew up with this good old boy way of doing things but this is just taking it too far. I hope Ballard starts showing some of that old marine aggression soon.
P.S. Just to add to that list the Hughes gave him a 20% stake in Harry and Izzie’s for his help in obtaining a liquor licenses.
Just look at the way that POS treats his wife and family, how could we ever trust him to look out for the good of the community in general is beyond me.
(Completely off subject or not; I hate the way the guy walks around like he thinks he’s the Don in a godfather movie)
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More likely that the prosecutor is trying to inflame everything by not fighting on this one like he should have. The police are being used as a pawn here.
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What is there to fight? This is a slam dunk case for the defense. No one did field sobriety tests and no evidence saying he was drunk that will even be admissible. He should however bring charges against anyone involved with the drawing of the blood if it looks like it was messed up on purpose.
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I second your view on Brizzi.
The guy comes across as an idiot who is more incompetent and dumb than corrupt. I have listened to portions of his weekly radio show, and it is hard not to conclude that he is a complete moron. I suspect that his career is mostly attributable to having the right friends, as opposed to any personal ability.
Fortunately, I think his corrupt associations and generally bad judgment has pretty much ended his political aspirations (for the time being at least). I think the only reason he hasn't resigned is because he is holding out for the pension he'll receive if he manages to finish his term.
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I don't think Brizzi i corrupt -- he is just an idiot.
Brizzi...he even tried to slip us notes during lunch (which we reported to the judge)
The last sentence I quoted reeks of a corrupt prosecutor. I understand that the overall impression that you had was one of incompetence BUT how did he get into his position without knowing that it was wrong to contact the jury? It Is Covered In Law 101. Ferfuckssake, I am not a lawyer and even I know that. Perhaps he was just hoping that nobody would notice and he could get away with it. I think he is a sneaky motherfucker willing to try any tactic until it sticks (perhaps using the guise of incompetence?) AND that is corrupt. I don't know which is worse.
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Up-voted, excellent story!
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I'm not sure you understand the actual duties of a prosecutor. He has no control over the investigation, he determines (after the police investigation) what charges to pursue based on the evidence at hand. In this case, he knew exactly how the defense would get the evidence thrown out, and his hands were pretty much tied.
Make no mistake, Brizzi is dirty as hell, but I really don't think he had a choice on this.
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This is why there are no good cops today. None. 0. They will all do this to protect their own, fuck those "regular people" who died, protecting their brother in blue is paramount.
You think you know or are related to a good cop? You are deluding yourself. They will turn on you in a second if it will help protect one of their own. You are a civilian, and for some reason they think they are not.
EDIT: Let me be clear. I'm not saying every cop drives drunk, or abuses their ex, or screws up and shoots someone for no reason. I'm saying when they do, the police force has their back. They will plant pot when they raid the wrong house and kill a grandmother and all agree on the story, they will agree the gun went off in a struggle when a little girl is shot and killed even though a TV crew has the guy shooting into the house, they will claim the cyclist made a threatening move even though cell cameras show the copy bodychecking him for no reason, they will let drunk cops drive away after discussing amongst themselves what a bad position it puts them in, forgetting their dash camera is running. This makes them bad cops in my opinion. Their culture will not let them be anything else though, turn on a brother in need and your brothers will turn on you.
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Yes, exactly. People think I'm crazy when I talk about the corruption in the police forces around this country. They say, "Oh, that never happens. You're just exagerrating..." until shit like this happens.
I blame it on the ever-enraging All-American lack of attention to detail concerning facts.
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I agree.
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Olson Johnson is right. What kind of people are we anyhow? I say we stay and fight it out!
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Yeah, I know right man! The prosecutor is actually an undercover cop covering up for the guy!
Oh wait...
Riddle me this, if you are covering shit up, why leave a record behind that your BAC was 2x the legal limit?
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Because the record can't be used in court.
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Unfortunately, there is now a huge media uproar about it partially because the record exists. That was not a very smart thing to do now was it?
Its hard to believe that the cops "engineered a coverup" and deliberately fouled up the chain of evidence, knowing the prosecutor would not only throw out the evidence but drop the charges, and at the same time believe they would do something so stupid as draw blood.
The smart thing to do would have been write down the results of a field sobriety test that indicated no impairment, and see to it that the blood draw never got done or tested.
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They are not exactly covering anything up. Instead they are blatantly fubaring the chain of evidence to make a legal case to get it thrown out. The prosecutor has an obligation to throw this evidence out because it has been tainted (in this case on purpose). Then they claim incompetence and say 'ooops the egg sure is on our face" instead of facing a slim but possible internal investigation.
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Its hard to believe that the cops "engineered a coverup" and deliberately fouled up the chain of evidence, knowing the prosecutor would not only throw out the evidence but drop the charges, and at the same time believe they would do something so stupid as draw blood.
The smart thing to do would have been write down the results of a field sobriety test that indicated no impairment, and see to it that the blood draw never got done or tested.
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I agree with you 100%. There are no good police officers.
Nobody says," I want to help people! I am going to become a cop! "
Cops = bullies back by the law
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Well, that's not a sweeping generalization at all.
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I would love to be proven wrong, but finding stories about cops who hold each other accountable for law breaking on things like police brutality or DUI (BEFORE the tape is released and public outrage gives them no choice) is not easy. So far none of the defenders of the "cop culture" in this thread have done so.
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If pointing out that assuming to know the mindset of every single police officer in this country is absurd makes me a "defender of cop culture," then I guess I fit right in.
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I'm not judging mindset, I'm judging actions. This is not exactly a difficult trend to identify.
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Let's hope they never need help from the police, they might eat their own words yet
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Yeah all those assholes risking their lives for people they don't know. Jeez what a bunch of dicks. Oh look that asshole cop jumped into an icy river to save a kid from drowning what a douche. Seriously this one cop I know busted into these peoples homes, got everyone out and put out a fire before the firemen had time to put their boots on. Oh and this same guy gave CPR to a homeless guy without a protective mask. Fuck him seriously I wish these people would simply die. amirite?
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So in your world, an occasional good deed excuses corruption?
I don't care if the cops in this story just finished saving puppies and kittens from runaway pedophile convicts, they demonstrated they cannot be trusted with the power they have been given by the state. They clearly did everything possible to protect their idiot drunk driving brother (waited hours to get his blood tested, "accidentally" took him to the wrong place for testing, made up a story about the motorcyclists intentionally darting in front of the cop, etc), making them bad cops who should be stripped of their badge and gun.
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No this is just the stuff off the top of my head. I wish I lived in your world where jumping into an icy river is simply a good deed.
But you said there are no good cops. zero. So what does that make them then? all bad? Even the cops that save lives they're bad to because they didn't do anything to get this guy. Even if they are hundreds of miles away this guy just proves it! So next time my neighbor gets rescue breathing from a cop I'll make sure to spit on him and call him an asshole.
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Yup, just this guy. Please ignore the constant barrage of similar stories of police corruption across the US.
Read the rest of my posts, you are clearly missing the point and in a big way. I'm not saying they are the scum of the earth, of course some of them are heroes and do great work. I am saying that by extending professional courtesy and looking the other way when a fellow cop breaks the law, or worse participates in the cover up by lying on the report, etc. they are not acting as good cops. No matter what their other positive attributes, they are corrupt and not deserving of public trust. Today they may just be letting a fellow cop through a DUI checkpoint after having a few too many, tomorrow they may be falsifying reports to prevent a fellow cop from getting nailed or bringing pot to a drug bust to sprinkle on to some 90 year old their brother shot while raiding the wrong house. Or claiming the four year old got shot during a struggle with the mother and not by the cop shooting up the house from the outside like the later revealed footage indicates. Once you start lying and covering up illegal activities by other cops, no matter how small, you are a bad cop in my book. I expect our police officers to be held to a higher standard, and right now they are held to practically no standard.
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This is 100% correct. There was recently an IAMA by a police officer, who claimed that he wasn't corrupt, that he was fair and balanced, that he doesn't let people slide when he pulls them over because he believes in equal enforcement of the laws, blah blah blah.
Then he states that he lets other police officers off the hook. I asked him if this wasn't a contradiction to his previous statement that he was strict on enforcing the law and that he was fair and etc. etc. bullshit. He said that it wasn't.
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I spoke to a cop years ago about this. He called it "professional courtesy". When I pressed him about it, he explained that if a cop gets into a bad situation and has to call for backup, he doesn't want the cop who shows up to be pissy about the speeding ticket he got the week before.
He went on to add that if you ever see a guy driving erratically, speeding, and weaving in and out of traffic, he's either drunk, an off-duty cop, or both.
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Their culture will not let them be anything else though, turn on a brother in need and your brothers will turn on you.
You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be.
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What about this scenario: small town cops, nothing really happens in the town, and they all do an honest work. How are they bad cops?
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Are they letting their fellow cops drive drunk, run red lights, etc? Then yes. I've lived in small towns, professional courtesy is practically worse there because everyone knows each other.
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No they're not, and I've lived in small towns too.
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They protect their own, right or wrong. You have to intentionally be ignoring a lot of media reports of a lot of documented incidents to believe otherwise.
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Holy Hyperbole Batman. You have a citation on the 0 good cops, or are you just talking out of your ass?
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Just observing the department's reaction every time one of them does something wrong. It is always initially close ranks and protect. Sometimes they change their story when video comes out directly contradicting the department's version of events, but never before.
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Oh so you have a live feed into every single case in the country where a cop has hurt or killed someone, and you have investigated all of them and found that 100% of cops are corrupt and evil.
Or are you just talking out of your ass?
Yeah thats what I thought.
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You are right, my percentage may be off a point or two.
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You don't need citations where you make sweeping comments aimed at gaining karma in r/politics. realfinkployd might as well have copied this from the last cop discussion.
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Summer vacation is still in full swing. The kids will be off to school in a few weeks, don't worry.
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ok, a lot of parents beat their children. you can't assume all parents beat their children. there are definitely good cops out there
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Good cops would hold their fellow cops accountable for their illegal actions and not participate in cover ups or "professional courtesy" as it is more commonly known in the community. They are few and far between (and likely do not last long, the law enforcement culture will not let them).
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there is a thing called jurisdiction. you can't just go around arresting everybody you want because they did something wrong. anyway, you seem to be unfairly biased against all cops based on the actions of a few, which could have something to do with why cops feel they are entitled to do such shit. its a self-fulfilling prophecy dawg
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I'm not talking about cross jurisdiction, I'm talking about finding one good cop in a given department. Clearly, nobody involved with this was a good cop. Nobody involved in the home raid that led to a grandmother getting shot and then pot planted on her was good. Nobody involved in the home raid that led to a little girl getting shot was any good (they claimed the gun went off during a struggle with the mom, but the TV crew filming the raid for a show recorded the cop firing into the house from outside). There was a pretty popular video a few months back from a dash cam of a cop where a few of them are discussing letting a really drunk fellow officer go and dozens of cases were this has happened which didn't get caught on camera. These are all cases where the who group agreed upon a false story to protect their own. And these are just the ones we know about. I can google for more news reports showing the widespread culture of coverup and protection if you like, but frankly if you don't see it, nothing will convince you.
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I think the point is not "some cops do bad stuff, so all cops are bad" but "some cops do bad stuff... and the 'good' cops cover for them/keep silent/etc"
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Thank you, nobody seems to get that point.
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Possible illusion of transparency? (Dunno. The point seemed pretty straightforward to me, but then I'd already been familiar with that particular point, so...)
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I couldn't figure out how it seemed that no one understood what you wrote. I agree with you and would add that even though there are no good cops because they all cover for their "brothers", many cops do manage to do some good work during their life. Maybe that is why people opposed your idea... they took it to mean that all cops are committing crimes all the time. I don't think you said that at all.
The sad part of this, to me anyway, is that cops turn the blind eye for other cops because things like speeding tickets, DUIs, public intoxication, etc. can all ruin their careers and hurt their lives in some way... just like being busted for those things hurts regular citizens too. That's what really pisses me off.
(And to clarify speeding and DUI: These would be "crimes" that didn't result in damage or injury. Just some person speeding and then possibly having had a drink before driving and speeding. I'm not condoning reckless driving or manslaughter.)
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You're right, his point is "some 'good' cops cover for bad ones, so all cops are bad."
Its the same sweeping generalization that reddit nuts over. I am furious at this situation, but to claim to know the mindset and intenions of every cop in the US is beyond absurd.
Now, downvote away because of a lack of rabid, knee-jerk overgeneralizations.
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The problem is a distinct lack of cops that don't keep silent.
Maybe only some actively cover, but it seems a whole heck of a lot, if not the vast majority at least turn a blind eye to these sorts of things, keep conveniently quiet about certain things.
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not all cops are in a jurisdiction where things are covered up though
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You're right. But if the neighbors watch you beat your children and not only turn a blind eye, but try to hide the fact that it happens, the neighbors are definitely not good people.
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The difference is that the neighbors don't have it written into their job descriptions that they have to stop you when you break the law. The cops do and they conveniently ignore that for their buddies.
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That would be a good analogy if other parents would defend the ones beating their children.
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The cops did not prosecute the case.
Also, saying that there are zero good cops is bullshit.
Might as well say there are zero good black people based on the actions of a few. Hell some even openly admit they will lose "street cred" if they "turn snitch" so they will watch something horrific happen in their own community and pretend it didn't happen.
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The cops did not prosecute the case.
No, they just fucked it up enough that it could not be prosecutes. By "accident", since I'm sure they have never had to take a DUI suspect in for blood testing before and didn't know how to choose the correct clinic.
Also, saying that there are zero good cops is bullshit.
True, there are probably a few good apples here and there but they could not stay long. The vast majority however clearly protect their own whenever they do something horrible wrong, which makes them bad too.
Hell some even openly admit they will lose "street cred" if they "turn snitch" so they will watch something horrific happen in their own community and pretend it didn't happen.
You just described the state of law enforcement today, except instead of pretending it didn't happen they engineer a coverup. Nearly every single time.
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since I'm sure they have never had to take a DUI suspect in for blood testing before and didn't know how to choose the correct clinic.
Strawman. I'd assume that a medical professional could draw blood that was admissible in court. Unfortunately in this case my assumption would be wrong. That does not mean the only explanation is malice. If the cop did it with a DIY kit at home, you might have a point.
The vast majority however clearly protect their own
There is no evidence to substantiate this.
except instead of pretending it didn't happen they engineer a coverup. Nearly every single time.
Again, no way of substantiating this.
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True, there is really no evidence of this or any way to know. It is not like you can just google for past news stories of police misconduct and see what the department's reaction is initially (usually before damning video, eye-witness testimony, etc. comes to light).
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What? This is ridiculous. You read a few stories of corrupt cops on reddit and suddenly EVERY SINGLE cop is a bad cop? That's just plain idiotic.
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I'm defining bad cop as one who overlooks illegal behavior or participates in covering up for bad cops. I will concede this is not every single cop, but it is very close. They protect their own.
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As I mentioned to Venir:
Don't expect a logical conversation on reddit when law enforcement is involved.
The people that get literally all their information from the internet vastly out number those who have actual, real world experience. It's more of a wall than an up-hill battle.
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I'm sorry but this sweeping generalization is a bunch of bullshit. There are plenty of good cops out there, they simply don't get the same amount of attention that the bad ones do, especially on reddit. Just because we almost exclusively hear about the bad ones does not mean there are no good cops at all.
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No, there are not. Good cops would not let this happen. Or at the very least not immediately mobilize to cover up and protect the "bad" cop. Yet every time a cop fires into a house and kills a toddler, gets drunk and mows down someone, beats the shit out of someone in custody, abuses an ex, etc. the "good" cops in the department are there to help defend and cover up. Hell, you raid the wrong house and kill a grandmother and your good cops are right there with their standard issue "in case of emergency" pot they bring to drug raids to sprinkle on her.
Sorry, there are no good cops anymore. The law enforcement culture will not permit them.
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We used to be able to call the (mostly black) sheriff’s dept whenever the (all white) police dept started to pull this kind of shit but then our city merged the forces to save money.
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I upboat for the fact that majority are this way, save a few who have some scruples. But I also understand that saying "Always" and "Never" when describing something like this inevitably leads to problems.
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Those few who have scruples will not be cops for long. You act against your own, you are not welcome there any more.
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This clearly assumes that the police are guilty of a massive coverup that reaches all the way through to the prosecution.
Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to stupidity (or in this case ignorance).
There are two problems here, with two obvious explanations. It is not always clear when someone is under the influence, and the blood draw was done at the wrong place.
If I were trying to cover this up, I'd have reported a field sobriety test, then caused an oops to make the blood test never happen. Then there would not be all this uproar, and there would not be a clear record that he was 2x the legal limit.
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How many times does this kind of thing need to happen and get discovered before people realize cops will do everything in their power to prevent one of their own from getting in trouble? This is not an isolated case, it seems like this happens (that we know about) every couple months or so.
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Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to stupidity (or in this case ignorance).
Isn't feigned ignorance or incompetence the shelter of malicious conduct?
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There are plenty of good cops.
There are no good cops in Indianapolis. If there was a single good cop in Indianapolis, he would be ratting out his fellow cops right now. No cop has come forward to rat out his brothers. Therefore, there are no good cops in Indianapolis.
It's my opinion that when this sort of shit happens every single cop who was complicit with it in any way should be at the very least fired from his job.
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Find a way to charge the entire force under the RICO act, since they're all part of a criminal organization, responsible for covering up criminal activities as an organized group.
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NOT EVERY FUCKING COP IS IN THIS JURISDICTION
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This is false. 90% of them might be completely worthless, but I know more than one who are good people.
What are they supposed to do, grab the mic and shove Brizzi to the ground, declare that all of Indianapolis should rise as one because they're murdering bikers in cold blood?
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They should report incidents of police corruption. They should testify everything they know that could help to remove corrupt officers from their position.
If your friend knew anything about this story and didn't say something about it then your friend is just as bad as the corrupt cops who 'accidentally' mishandled this case.
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Nope, you're wrong. This is a perfect place to make a sweeping generalization.... There are no good cops.
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robocop, son...
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A horrible statement to make. If you believe that, I can only think that you are just truly warped.
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Don't expect a logical conversation on reddit when law enforcement is involved.
The people that get literally all their information from the internet vastly out number those who have actual, real world experience. It's more of a wall than an up-hill battle.
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i hope you burn in hell... you are a steaming hunk of hit liar.
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I'm actually shocked, you said that good cops exist and you were downvoted to hell. Reddit, I am disappoint.
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I wouldn't say it's the majority. Most do what they do, not because of the fact that they agree with what they are doing, but because they feel like the rules enforcement is in place to possibly catch them.
However, when something like this happens and they all gang up behind the "blue wall" it's just mafioso activity. Period.
I think they should be prosecuted under RICO.
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You are a fucking moron.
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Good contribution to the debate.
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Do you really think there are no good cops?
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I think there are a few, but they would quickly be drummed out for ratting on their brothers.
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What debate? You have not cited anything that justifies your incompetent generalization.
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Do you?
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get the fuck out of here you fucking idiot.
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As a motorcyclist, previous victim of a drunk driver, and Indianapolis resident I can't explain how pissed off this all makes me.
Hopefully the FBI will nail some motherfuckers to the wall after they find out how fucking crooked the IMPD, and Indianpolis government are.
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Don't know if you've followed it this morning but some people got removed from their positions following this becoming an actual news story.
I don't have specific details but I think its a start. Hopefully Brizzi will go down once the FBI investigation gets going.
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The reaction to this thread has been amazing, thank you all for making this known!
This isn't the only corruption (that has gone public) in the past year about the IMPD. The people are obviously sick enough about it!
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I agree, but how is this in the FBI's jurisdiction?
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The FBI's jurisdiction is the entireity of the United States. They usually defer to local law enforcement for things that are not their speciality (like bank robberies), but will step in to assist when asked.
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This is one of their primary missions.
"Combat public corruption at all levels"
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There are being called in to assit with the investigation. I am not sure if they will enforce and prosecute themselves.
With the attention this story is getting someone is going to have to take a pretty big fall.
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I don't really KNOW, but i thought that the FBI had jurisdiction to police crimes committed by state / county police departments?
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So we have two options:
- Gross incompetence bordering on mental retardation
- Corruption
You choose.
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Can't it be both?
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I thought it already was both?
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Alright, both it is.
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agreed
/bangsgavel
meeting adjourned
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It can be, however jumping to a conclusion based solely on stereotyping and hatred is a poor way to behave.
If a black person was on trial for this, and we just said "Na, hes obviously guilty all black people are thugs and criminals" and any evidence to the contrary was "Heh, black people always lie, I wouldn't believe that shit", would it be tolerated?
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This isn't about stereotyping. This is about looking at facts. And the facts in this case a pretty fucking clear.
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When you read into it whatever you want to, yes those facts are absolutely clear.
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Couldn't have said it better: http://twitter.com/mmattax/status/21674595019
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Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
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I live in central Indiana. Whether they are Indianapolis cops, Carmel Cops, Zionsville Cops, Fishers Cops, or anywhere else around Indy, they are uneducated bullies. These are the type of folks who have nothing but a basic education.
They all used to be jocks in middle school and high school. They became cops because they were too stupid to get a real education. They've been living for years with the reality that they are mindless hunks of meat. The only respect they get comes from the fact that they carry a firearm.
This incident is utterly tragic, but not surprising, unfortunately.
Central Indiana Cops: borderline mentally handicapped meatheads that cover their own mindshatteringly stupid assses.
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At first the officers claimed that the motorcyclists purposely got in his way when they saw him coming...
And, oopsie-poopsies, did we take you to the wrong place to get a blood-draw, something we've been doing correctly for everyone else, daily, for years? Oh my, goodness gracious!
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Did they claim that, or did they say that was the statement they were given? "Officers" can't claim that, they can only repeat what they were told.
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The "everyone else" does not include cops. As explained in the article, cops have a specific place they go to for OTJ medical issues. It is not an unreasonable thing that they also did the blood test there.
What is really unreasonable is that the person who took the blood test did so, when they should have refused and sent him to a proper place to collect evidence.
Perhaps the system in place does not require that the lab techs specify that, but it should. If it does, then the lab tech is in on the "cover up" as well.
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i'm sure it is safe to assume the tech was doing what they were told to do.
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why is it safe to assume that again?
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Perhaps.
If the tech took a blood sample knowing that it was for evidence, and that they could not provide evidence (it should be their job to know this) then they should be fired.
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I live in Indianapolis. This story infuriates me to no end.
Not to speak lightly of the offense of driving under the influence, but my wife got a DUI a few months ago after having a couple beers and failing to signal a right turn off a private (little-traveled) road into my apartment complex (seriously...just didn't put on her turn signal...basically she was driving at night and cops were out to ruin some lives). She is very small so she blew over the limit. Now I understand that this is the law and she shouldn't have been driving (I asked her not to), but I will just say that she was not in any way a threat to anyone that night.
Instead of having her charges dropped like this cop, she spent a night in jail, lost her license for 3 months, and has paid $1000s in fines and classes and other shit. All that and all she did was not turn her turn signal on.
This dude killed a guy while driving his police cruiser drunk and his DUI charges were dropped. That is so wrong it hurts.
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And he kept his license. But it's okay for us to lose ours for DUI charges or speeding.
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He is not asking for special treatment for his wife, he is questioning the treatment given to the officer. His wife drove after consuming alcohol and was busted after failing to signal at a crossing. The officer drove while intoxicated and plowed into a couple of parked vehicles.
The wife didn't do any damage but got her license suspended and had endure jail time, monetary penalties and classes. The officer killed someone and severely injured another but somehow gets to keep his license. Sure he still got charged because people got hurt, but he got to walk away from the more serious charge.
Read a little better next time.
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I live in Indianapolis and I have been following this. As near as I can tell what happened is he hit the bikers while drunk. Cops show at the scene, the other cops realize he is drunk so they intentionally do the blood test wrong so that it won't be admissable in court. Good news is that people have been fired over it, and he is still facing three felony counts, and they are bringing in the FBI to finish the investigation.
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Not a single cop present did his job properly. Not one has come forward to offer any closure to the bereaved families or justice for the community. To be over twice the limit would mean that everybody around him should have been able to smell the alcohol on his breath and see from his demeanour that he was drunk.
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Heard this morning that the officer in charge of DUI stops and investigations was removed from his position.
Probably just pandering to the public at this point but it's something.
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If he covered anything up then he deserves to be fired, still it's 1 person gets fired and the other guy gets off some pretty serious legal charges. Life sucks sometimes. I'm glad I almost never hear of things like this happening where I am, but just hearing them happen at all in a first world country sends shivers down my spine.
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Yeah, major punishment. He'll be forced to get another job as a cop 20, maybe 30 whole miles away.
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I was informed also today that he has not even apologized to the family. Incredible situation.
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Despicable situation. The sad thing is (as were the rest of it not sad) that now it has been irrevocably fucked up. Nothing can happen now that would come close to being right/justice/call it what you will.
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Frankly the community has already decided what happened. What is the "closure" that you are seeking?
As far as being able to tell a person that was 2x the legal limit by behavior, wow haven't been around many drunks eh?
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i'm gonna downvote you for telling it how it is!
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I'm not sure if you guys are reading the article.
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i'm not sure if you have ever been around people who have been drinking
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... where we, the citizens, are paying for the so-called "Protection" and their governing body is the Police Union.
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This is not really that surprising, the police have a well established reputation of protecting one another. We had a cop do an AMA right here on Reddit who thought it was perfectly acceptable that if he pulled over someone for speeding and found out that it was another cop, he would let them go. Apparently, it's "bad form" to hold a fellow police officer accountable to the laws they are charged with enforcing- those only apply to the rest of the citizens.
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My friend is an RCMP officer and he has ticketed a fellow off duty officer who he caught speeding... let me tell you how unpopular he was!! I was proud though, I think that takes guts.
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How fast was the horse going?
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Sounds like he had some integrity and took his job seriously.
I used to have a retired cop as my manager. One time he got stopped for speeding on the way to work, so he showed the cop his retired shield. He got a ticket anyway and he was so angry. He came into the office and bitched about it, but all I could think was, "Good for you, what the Hell makes you think you're exempt?"
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If you did that in the US you wouldn't just be unpopular, you would be fired.
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let me tell you how unpopular he was
That right there is was cops are such scum. Good on your friend, hopefully he comes through against law-breaking cops on other, more serious issues as well.
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This is a tad different. Speeding ticket=/=killing a citizen. Also the police officer (He was a Chippy I believe) did not ticket Firefighters, ambulance drivers etc. It's up to the police officers discretion who to ticket and who not to ticket, anybody who kills a citizen should be held fully responsible though, especially a police officer. It actually makes me sick to see police acting this way, the US should have a seperate branch of law enforcement to enforce the laws against police, FBI doesn't seem to do a good job of it, nor do the police forces investigating themselves, it's downright ludicrous to be honest.
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I understand what you're saying, but a speeding ticket can be pretty expensive in some states. Why should a cop get a free pass and the rest of us be expected to pony up the fine or else? If anything they should be held to a higher standard instead of behaving like they belong to an exclusive club.
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This is total BS. Cops continue to cover up clear crimes of their fellow officers. This must be stopped.
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Just as bad in los angeles if not worse.
If you are a black man, you might as well just kill yourself because there is no way a judge will take your word over a cops.
Rioting is the only answer to put the cops back in their place.
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Yeah, cause cops really care when blacks burn down their own convenience stores and steal some TVs.
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Of course in this case, there were far more people involved than just cops.
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This was more that the medical people fucked up to clear him. The cops weren't drawing the blood and that was the only evidence they had.
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The cops decided where he would be blood tested and they picked a non standard location. If he really did test as .19%, he should of been obviously drunk at the scene. Either more drunk at the scene, or less drunk but obvious alcohol on the breath from recent drinking. Yet not a single cop questioned whether he was drunk or performed any field sobriety or breathalyzer test. That is extremely suspect.
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That isn't what I read. It says they took him to the standard place where cops are taken when injured. That was a standard. Also I agree that .19 would make most people look drunk as hell. I believe that he is most likely a long term alcoholic if he was able to function at those levels. I doubt that they go into a situation with a police involved accident believing that the police officer is drunk and probably weren't looking for it. Which would be a policy issue for sure.
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They did take him there, however when they decided to have the alcohol test done, they should have realized they needed it done somewhere the results would be accepted from.
But instead of having the blood drawn there, Brizzi said, the officer should have taken Bisard to a hospital, a more common venue for blood draws in drunken-driving investigations.
However I guess if they still weren't suspecting alcohol maybe they were less cautious than they should have been.
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See, this is why young people don't vote. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are doing anything about these kinds of abuses.
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And it's stupid, because a Governor, Senator, Representative, judge, etc. can EASILY clean up their own backyards to sway public opinion. For the last decade or three, they just found they don't have to and still get elected. It shows with clarity, that these people are not public servants to make a difference in their community. And if that's not why they're there, there's only one other reason.
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Yes, and it's to control people's lives, IE it's about power.
Is that what you were going to say?
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I was going to say make a shit-ton of money without working, but i think the televangelists already have that job. So yeah, power.
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You kidding? They've got more energy in one hour than I could ever muster in a week!
And that Pikachu-like energy they use to heal people and shit? That cannot be easy to conjure. I tried this once but just ended up squeezing out a fart and popping a few blood vessels.
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This shit is allowed to happen because people don't vote (or if they do, they just vote for the lesser of the two most popular evils).
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This behavior on the part of police to close ranks to "protect" their own from potential punishment for wrongdoing has become institutionalized in America. Power corrupts, etc.
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In cases like this, I always wonder what the perpetrator thinks. Is he out partying it up with his boys, bragging about how he can get away with anything because he's a cop? Or is he thrown into a spiral of guilt, doubt, and depression? Does he care? Does he feel bad? Does he believe he ought to have been prosecuted?
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I believe that the fear of living in a cell for a decade consumes your mind. Very few people have the balls to own up to something like this, but I'm pretty sure he knows he should be prosecuted. I'd be willing to bet he's not having fun right now. And he fucking deserves it.
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Who cares? He and his dumb little buddies are pieces of shit.
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Fuck the police
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It is amazing to me (among the many other outrages of this story) that driving drunk is a higher class felony than reckless homicide.
Driving drunk is very bad precisely because it recklessly endangers the lives of everyone on the road. I'd think reckless homicide would be the graduated offense you'd face when that recklessness did result in a death.
Instead, dui is apparently worse and police handily botched those charges by "accidentally" using completely different procedure for this case than every other case they have investigated in their entire careers. Excellent.
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These police used different procedures than policy, because they had a horse in this race.
FIRE THEM ALL
TO JAIL WITH THEM
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This happens all the time. I remember reading not too long ago, about another cop who did not have his blood taken until many hours after the accident, and still was over the limit! Of course, his buddy cops did not arrest him at the scene. Charges were later dropped because there was some irregularity with the chain of custody.
Thin Blue Line...
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Original story:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100810/NEWS/100810029/IMPD-Officer-in-crash-was-impaired
Same news outlet expressing frustration over corruption
Taste of other corruption from Brizzi that Indianapolis has had to deal with (thank you chunesia). What is this, the flippin Wire?
EDIT: Public protest at 6:30PM Friday on Monument Circle in downtown Indianapolis. (reports of Saturday protest confirmed false). The FBI is already investigating. Please do not harass the IMPD!
EDIT: saw from comments this was posted by another fellow redditor waaaaay before I did
UPDATE: Pictures of protest
Everyone at the protest was respectful including police. The Riders were everywhere around the city, there must have been thousands of them. Probably off to the American Legion Legacy Run on Sunday. They raise money for slain veterans' children for scholarships and such, you know, no big deal.
1:30am Updated report explaining origin of protest
2:20am Letter sent today by Brizzi's office questioning the purchase (PDF) of the liquor. Story released here an hour ago.
UPDATE: 8/30/2010 - Another cover-up unveiled about the phone calls made between police and the chief during the accident investigation. TL;DR Police made 8 different calls to the chief, when prior they claimed they made no contact with him.
Indianapolis automotive enthusiast forum is pretty livid about it too, the majority of them own bikes and cruise every weekend:
http://www.indycarz.com/forum/showthread.php?140662-Cop-who-killed-man-on-motorcycle-and-hurt-two-others-gets-DUI-charge-dropped.
According to this thread, the guy that survived was an American Legion rider. They are the ones that surround the westboro church idiots when they protest veteran funerals.
Legiond.
Hey...I'm on that site! :)
It's a small Internet.
This happened at 11:20 AM. The officer had a BAC of .19% at 11:20 AM. WTF!?!?
It was also taken 2 HOURS after the accident happened. He was WELL over .2*
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Probably was over .3.
I highly doubt that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content
An on Duty, actively responding, officer had a BAC of .19% at 11:20 AM.
How is it not standard practice to bring in outside LEOs (FBI, Sheriff's Dept, State Police) when a city cop is being investigated?
Perhaps those ignition interlock devices ought to be installed on all police cars?
Why not? They always have a breathalyzer with them for pulling over drunks anyhow, right? Why not make it socket into the car when the cop wants to drive.
...welcome to Naptown!
Yup.
Most places, it is. A while back, a similar situation happened (off duty cop, driving drunk, struck on-duty state trooper who had somebody pulled over). They called in the Sheriff's Dept. to do the investigation.
In Surrey, one of the infamous Taser officers drove drunk and struck a guy on a motorcycle. He fled the scene and came back and said he went home and drank. He came back the scene, and the charges went from having the book thrown at him for driving drunk and killing someone to simple obstruction of justice.
In some towns it is. Around where I'm at, the local Sheriff is put in charge of an investigation against local cops. Not that it means anything, they are all buddy buddy anyway.
i think it was because the vip was mia in the dmz
The IPD has some serious issues. I was arrested last August in Broadripple (A strip of bars, hair salons, and specialty shops in Indy) My friend and are I kicked out of a bar because I'm wearing a baseball jersey. After my friend receives a wildly unnecessary shove in the back from a bouncer on his way out, he retorts "I should sue you" (Lame, I know)
Cue nearby officer, "Oh! You'll shoot me?" Next he punches my friend in the face and cuts his hand on my friend's tooth and yells out "that fucker just tried to bite me - now I need a rabies shot." After a pro wrestler like body slam and a handcuffing so tight that even his veins are saying "come the fuck on, man", my SO starts pleading with the officer...boom arrested. Seeing her crying in hand cuffs - chivalry, honor, and emotion take-over. I ask that I go as well. Officer taunts me and I repeat myself - TASER TIME ! Hello sidewalk.
Police Report: Assaulting an officer + Interfering with Arrest + Public Intox (No breathalyzer or any sobriety test. It was the first bar of the night and I hadn't had a beer yet thanks to my jersey) + Disorderly Conduct
In the end...my SO and I got off with community service and a few grand of legal fees. My buddy spent thousands but his case was dropped when the arresting officer was unable to attend court - HE WAS UNDER ARREST FOR A FELONY.
Maybe you should have shot that cop.
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a good start?
in poor taste but at least lawyers don't cause phsical harm and/or kill people on purpose
This is part of the reason I tend to not go to Broad Ripple all that often late at night. Cops are fucked up.
thats an extreme example of a system based on fundamental errors gets out of control.
http://freedomainradio.com/board/blogs/freedomain/archive/2008/09/25/universally-preferable-behavior-a-rational-proof-of-secular-ethics.aspx
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I'm not a biker, but nothing would make more happy than to see hundreds of LOUD bikes circling this residence. Frankly, if I lived in his neighborhood, I'd sit outside and enjoy every second of it.
This whole story makes my blood boil. I respect the IMPD, but this incident needs to be a rallying call for the citizens of Indy. We CANNOT stand for this bullshit. With the rampant crime as of late, the last thing this city needs is to lose trust in its law enforcement officers.
I live in Indy. The IMPD is gang of corrupt bullies who answer to corrupt politicians... so maybe this will be looked at by the FBI, but where I live, E. 10th & Sherman/ (read: liquor store on every other block), there was no trust or respect for the cops to lose. Fuck the police is the general sentiment. I'm outraged at the special treatment. I have a suspended license for the next 90 days for failing to pay ONE speeding ticket (forgot about it) and yet this cock sucker can keep his license?? yeah... fuck the police.
The FBI stepped in this morning! woooo!
I'm on Emerson and stop 11. Yeah, fuck IMPD
I live in Broad Ripple, and the cops are dicks here too. They park on 62nd st. and stand outside their cars, arrest people for public intox while ignoring the muggings on the monon trail. A dude recently got mugged, on a bicycle, at 2pm on a Saturday, at 54th street on the Monon. WTF?! I HATE the police here.
I live off of Sherman a couple miles north and my rule of thumb is I wouldn't live any further south or east. You've got to get away from Linwood Square. That's weird about the ticket though I would've assumed they'd send you to driving school or something.
I went on a ride-a-long a month ago. Got some good video of a dude really expressing how he feels about the IMPD. He was being arrested for shoplifting beef jerky and pringles "for his kids."
I do ride motorcycles and without speaking for anyone else, I kind of take it personally. I feel like in general we have enough to overcome without drunk cops running us off the road. I am glad that this story is starting to get the attention it deserves and I hope the FBI makes a serious example of this guy. Unfortunately it will never be enough.
without drunk cops killing us
Happened here in Vancouver too:
http://www.thedrunkdrivingmasses.com/2009/12/mountie-escapes-impaired-driving-charge.html
The cop that was part of the infamous Robert Dziekanski case at the airport killed a 19 year old kid on a motorcycle and then fled the scene.
Was only charged with obstruction. That's so wrong on so many levels.
This story has been huge in the Indy area since it happened.
I think we are pretty far past the "lose trust" part.
I think you've figured out who's committing the crimes!
Not only that, with the level of hatred directed at cops, they could be perfect for 10 years and still be hated. Kind of pointless to worry about IMO.
I fucking don't, worst experience ever getting pulled over for 'failure to signal within 300 feet'. Meaning, I did signal, but I didn't signal 300 feet before I changed lanes. Much more to the story but I'll refrain.
EDIT: Shit, I should've googled IMPD, forgive my ignorance. This was I believe the state troopers, fuck them. IMPD I have no experience with.
IMPD is Indianapolis Metro Police Department. There used to be two forces around Indianapolis, IPD (Indianapolis Police Department) and Marion County Sheriffs (Marion is the county that holds (well IS) Indianapolis). They recently integrated into IMPD.
We just call the State Troopers "State Police".
Lose? Did they have any trust to begin with? If they did, then this event clearly proves otherwise.
The police are never your friend, they are there to protect the elite and you're not an elite.
Oh, sure… Back in the 1950s or so.
I've never had anything but positive experiences with the police in my area. Hell, I got arrested for possession several years ago and they didn't even cuff me.
They're also human beings. Some are good, some bad.
I agree with you, but should we be writing him a letter or the officers involved in (mis)handling the case?
Somewhere up the ladder from this officer is an elected official. Get him unelected, tossed out before the end of his term if possible.
His name is Mayor Greg Ballard. Most people in Indianapolis usually never see him unless it's a press event for sports or some other trivial event.
He ran on being tough on crime, wanted control of IMPD, and yet when our city turned into a cesspool of crime, he's nowhere to be found.
His nickname is "The Accidental Mayor", and boy does he live up to the name.
It sounds like they're doing some shit, actually. Of course, I have no way to tell if it's just a reaction to bad press.
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Thankfully, the current marion county prosecutor has screwed up enough things that I doubt he'll even try to run again. That sentence just made me sad.
edit: marion county prosecutor
You're right, I took it down.
Upvoted for removing the address.
(Edited) According to the local Fox network, the public protest is planned for Friday night (which is the 20th) at 6:30pm on Monument Circle.
Confirmed, thank you!
Updating.
I'll be downtown for this tonight and I'll do my best to get pictures and videos of the douchebaggery that the IMPD will pull.
I can guaran-damn-tee you those boys are on their very best behavior tonight... between the incredibly angry public and the FBI being in town, they're gonna be veeeeery careful what they do.
I'd like to say the same, but it'll probably just turn out like every other heated gathering involving the IMPD. They'll claim they felt their lives were in danger and then the tasering, tear gas, and beatings will begin.
Then again, the IMPD is filled with overweight lazyasses so they may just decide not to show up and go try to beat the "Man v. Food" guy's record at Bub's.
I can't remember the last time a heated gathering was broken up with tear gas, tasings, and beatings, when did this happen?
Find myself re-reading this comment over & over because of the word "douchbaggery". What a great word. LOL.
My exgirlfriend recently used the phrase "in your infinite douchebaggery" directed toward me and I just had to think: "Now I know why I loved her..."
The doublewide?
I'll be there too witnessing the douchebaggery
Surprise, surprise. This afternoon Bisard's lawyer filed a change of venue motion.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/24704409/detail.html
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Relevant.
Tweeted...I so wish I could be there this infuriates me so much (and has been doing so for several days now).
Thank you!
Can I get a link for the protest? Living in Cincy, contemplating driving out.
2 hours, not bad. I don't have a link, but it is scheduled for 6:30 on the circle, just take 74 all the way in.
I'll tweet it!
Thank you!
I wish I could drive to Indianapolis to participate in the protest. Please protest for the rest of us who cannot logistically make it in attendance.
They used our prosecutor Carl Brizzi to do the dirty work because his political career is already finished. He lets rapists and murderers off because they're his drinking buddies or have given him campaign donations. The republican party is completely corrupt here in Indy.
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-brizzi-rape-victim-040810,0,791000.story
wish i could be there with you guys.
Not one cop fired or even demoted, Guess cops have freedom to kill anyone in anyway without any consequence
His brother is a piece of work.
Not sure how this is relevant to your brother's case Rich...
Oh that's just Indianapolis.
Sorry to be that guy, but http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/rate.html