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Can someone help me parse the lyric "que la mer nous mange le corps"?

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From On Brûlera by Pomme:

Que la mer nous mange le corps

Que le sol nous lave le cœur

I know that definite articles tend to replace possessive adjectives when speaking about body parts, so I'm pretty sure this means

May the sea eat our bodies

May the earth wash our hearts

I guess my question is: if my translation is right, is this a common construction, or does it only apply to pronouns that include I, like je and nous? Like if I were to say "the dog bit his arm," would it be « le chien l'ai mordu le bras » ?

I hope that's clear!

Posted Nov 19, 2019, 6:32 AM UTC

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fevreatNative•

I think it's to avoid redundancy of information (we know who is the person because of the pronoun, we don't need to specify it again with the object). Especially for the body parts, there can be no ambiguity.

Btw, it's “Le chien lui a mordu le bras”, the correct pronoun is “lui” in this sentence 🙂

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paolog•

No, you can only do that with parts of the body. Your examples require sa and son.

You can say the first:

https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/traduction/on+lui+a+vol%C3%A9.html

but not the second:

https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?source=auto&query=on+lui+a+tu%C3%A9

His car belongs to him, so "on a volé sa voiture" can be expressed as "on lui a volé la voiture", but his brother does not - "son" shows kinship rather than possession or ownership, and so you need to say "on a tué son frère".

EDIT: I misread Linguee.

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paolog•

Ah, my mistake. My understanding was that this only applied to body parts, but Linguee seemed to disagree at first glance. I didn't look closely enough. I'll edit my post.

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MisterGooNative•

Well, first of all, unlike English, French uses the singular for a collective possession. For instance, English would say "they have their helmets on their heads", but French says "ils ont leur casque sur la tête".

Also, we only have one body and one heart each, so though you translation is correct, keep that in mind : this is why the song uses the definite article here.

I can't say if it's really natural or literary, because it depends on what you want to say :

"que la mer nous mange le corps" is rare and literary, but the same stucture is used every day when you say "ça me casse les couilles". The difference in meaning between "que la mer nous mange le corps" and "que la mer mange notre corps" is that the first one sounds like a favor, whereas the second one is neutral and gets its meaning (wish ? fatality ?) depending on the context.

BUT there ARE differences in the nature of the verb with your last sentence : "que la mer nous mange le corps" is not pronominal, whereas "the dog bit his arm" would be in French : le chien s'est mordu le bras.

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