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omnitricks

Ah yes the admin gold standard.

Call it a triple threat of adminning.

  1. Not understanding their own servers rules or history of (for the sake of relevance, the mess of rules on Hippie were streamlined around the middle of the year to trim the fat leaving only relevant rules) to the point of being unable to cite any relevant rule which is still applicable today that a player is beholden to. The result? Admemes misstating old and removed rules.

  2. Not understanding the mechanics of the game- silicon laws. Everyone in any server (not even just Hippie) by now knows what asimov lawset and how much of a shitshow it is because of how it can be interpreted/abused and here, the admins are deliberately ignoring the clear wording of asimov as an "unusual intepretation" when its more unusual; to only have the magic moment of harm being the exact moment of it and having to release people/let them roam free without any control of after the fact the harm is committed.

  3. When all else fails, revert to the good old subjective "rule one" and belittle a player who was already adhering to the rules (because they can't ban the player for any specific broken rule which has repeatedly been requested for) and refuse to acknowledge every single point while deliberately dodging them for the benefit of their own narrative.

Bonus point here that Steamport/Amari Ray is a known staticnamer science/RD player, the same with SerMagma/Bungo. Anyone who has played enough in that position should have known how to exercise due diligence to ensure they aren't screwed over by the incoming retribution but after getting dunked decided to use admins as a crutch for the IC issue they lost out on instead. Obviously there is one glaring metagame issue here to protect their own buddies/the interests of their own playstyle but no one is going to acknowledge it either because that will put the admins in a bad light as usual. Lol.

https://forums.hippiestation.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2003

Posted Dec 2, 2019, 10:07 PM UTC

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ike709Retired BeeStation Headcoder•

God-tier rules-lawyering. Stay mad.

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omnitricksOP•

rules-lawyering

Nah man, the rules and asimov lawset to be interpreted is pretty straightforward. Human harm.

Now the true mental gymnastics to rule lawyer asimov comes from pretty much every irrelevant thing to the rules and the lawset including;

"Forgetting past lives" which isn't even a thing anywhere in the rules or lawset and certainly doesn't make any practical sense.

"Harm is only valid at the point of harm being committed and after it is said and done there is no longer such a thing as the harm ever being committed"

Or my favorite "you're a clock cultist" which seems to ignore the fact that a clock cultist is still human under asimov unless specifically redesignated.

There's also the whole "but he borged you so you get to stay in the round" while completely ignoring that he didn't practice the due diligence of confirming what my laws are in the first place.

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ike709Retired BeeStation Headcoder•

You're missing the important point:

Ultimately, if the admins decide that you are an undesirable player they have every right to remove you from their community. Argue about it all you want, it won't change the fact that they might just simply not want you on their server.

Instead of doing everything you can to prove why you technically weren't in the wrong and trying to stir up all this drama, maybe just accept their judgement. You're definitely going about this the wrong way if your goal is to get unbanned.

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This is true but I don't like it

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XurxomarioI didnt blow up chem i promise•

Honestly im surprised they just didnt bap them harder for going to actually rage on reddit after doing so in the forums. But yea, if people go as far as to try to incite drama and bring hate to the admins on the server they play over a week ban, no less, i think thats where the line is drawn for rule 1 shittery to be perma-worthy.

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omnitricksOP•

You're definitely going about this the wrong way if your goal is to get unbanned.

Actually I'm at the point of not caring about getting unbanned any longer as the mental maturity and seriousness of the responsibilities inherent to the admins, which is to say none at all, has proven to be an exercise of futility.

Refer to previous exhibit of admins again deliberately ignoring and/or misinterpreting rules for their own agenda/benefit

At which point is much more fun to try and get some imaginary internet points for the price of the seven day ban as well as some satisfaction of revealing the ever increasing incompetence of the admins.

You're missing the important point

Well as far as the important point to me as a player is, when I join a server I agree to comply with the rules. In that same vein I expect to be able to play without any interruptions or to not be summarily dicked over despite what the rules say. Which is of course what happened here.

I think the basic decency people should be able to expect from admins is to perform their responsibilities within the confines of the rules but I guess that is too much to expect from manchilds who need to admin a 2d spaceman game for their powertrips they lack irl.

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TrogdortComdom•

Removing players from communities because you dislike them and disagree with them is how you get hugboxes like citadel

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ike709Retired BeeStation Headcoder•

You say that like this guy simply chose pro-skub on an anti-skub server.

He's been a problem on hippie from a while, based on my interactions with some of the hippie admins. And instead of accepting punishments and learning from them, he continues denying any wrongdoing via absurd amounts of rules-lawyering.

Even if he can spin it in a convoluted way that makes him technically absolved of any wrongdoing, there's still a clear problem that the admins are justified in taking action against.

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chris5311HoPtain protector of corgies•

Doing actions based on past lives is meta gaming and that is forbidden in the rules

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Joeycookie459Hippie Admin•

Fuck off omni

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SuicidalRussian•

Spoken like a true ss13 admin.

Godspeed fool.

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A_pplecoreupside down badmin•

As upside down borg main. My interpretation is that your laws are laws for as long as they exist. they do not reach into before or after they're made. This is why the AI doesnt murder you when you change its laws (mostly)

according to this ban. you were forced borg as a cultist, then proceeded to arrest the man who borged you.

by that logic. perma all sec after you get borged as a capital punishment.

take this with a grain of salt its 3am fuck me

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Turret_Drehturm•

(he actually permabrigged a guy for killing him when he was still a clockie)

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A_pplecoreupside down badmin•

yes

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omnitricksOP•

This is why the AI doesnt murder you when you change its laws

I believe that would be because the laws are still protecting you if that is the case.

perma all sec after you get borged as a capital punishment

Sec has nothing to do in this case. I feel like you are reaching.

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A_pplecoreupside down badmin•

No. I'm, not reaching. You were a cultist-- an ANTAGONIST-- What if it was security borging you? Roboticist in this case is security.

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omnitricksOP•

Still a human. Asimov is the one lawset which doesn't care about the difference between being an antagonist or not.

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A_pplecoreupside down badmin•

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^(aaaaAAAAA)AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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mcterraAuStation Host•

Ah yes, the gold standard for player quality

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omnitricksOP•

Of course. As players we should all strive to know what the rules are and play within the boundaries of said rules although of course that would be impossible to actually perform when admins always come in with their made up rules set on their own agendas.

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mcterraAuStation Host•

Pretending to take stuff the opposite way to how it was meant is cringe and blue pilled

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omnitricksOP•

So you're saying players shouldn't know the rules and work within them?

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mcterraAuStation Host•

You took MY comment the opposite way, dumbass. I sarcastically said that hippie was the gold standard for good players, meaning you're a shitter. How retarded do you have to be to mix that up?

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Garn-himself•

Dude you got killed and borged as a clock cultist and then tried to use asimov to arrest the roboticist and perma him for.... killing and borging you.

Justified ban. Very clear you where salty

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omnitricksOP•

I can be salty the same way salty people kill people for inconveniencing them in the game with "escalation" rules. Because the rules allow it.

Here the rule also allows me to specifically because I was asimov. Any other lawset wouldn't have allowed me to do it. Ban isn't justified at all because the admins have to go through a lot of shifty shit to make a ban which clearly isn't in line with the rules.

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LemiwinkstheThirdMoyai Messenger•

I’ll I have to say that if your borged then your a borg.

You are no longer human and shouldn’t think of yourself as a human.

You are borg.

You were human but that is no longer you.

Your previous self is dead but it is not you.

You are borg.

🗿

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JohnQPublicSmith•

Hippie is not an RP server, lad.

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whothefrackKeepAbeGreat2020•

Hippie is HRP what are you talking about. The RP on Hippie is so H that a simpleton not educated in advanced ss13 arpee immershun physics might identify it as noRP, when in reality it's an elaborate expression of the cruel mockery of capitalism and the society that feeds it. Anyone that's ever touched Hippie knows this.

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omnitricksOP•

Thanks for properly arranging the series of events for the sake of illustration.

You are borg

No arguments there

You were human

No arguments there

Your previous self is dead

No arguments there and on the subject, how was previous self dead? Harm. Lots of it.

Therefore was there at any point human harm?

Yes.

Very simple and clear cut here.

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stew9703•

You dont know that last bit though, because you just came into existence. Your best claim would be "brainless corpse in room" and an easy response would be "he was dead when I found him" your memories and laws started the second you turned on as a cyborg, but you were acting on information from before.

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omnitricksOP•

your memories and laws started the second you turned on as a cyborg

Unfortunately for everyone trying to rely on this, this is neither in the rules nor silicons laws. And the fact of the matter if this is a case, a lot of people would have already gotten away with breaking the rules in many a game because of stuff like "borg law 2 tell me what your uplink code is" or "borg tell me who is [insert boss of team antag you are currently playing]" for example which is fairly common that even admins do it in game.

This argument only actually holds any water if I was a posibrain because yes, "you just came into existence" applies but I wasn't a posibrain.

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XurxomarioI didnt blow up chem i promise•

You sound like the literal definition of a rules lawyer, which is the reason "rule one" exists in 90% of the servers in the first place.

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And like, when even the hippie admins think you are a shitler theres really not much else to say tbh.

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omnitricksOP•

the literal definition of a rules lawyer

Ok cool considering I don't even have to say anything except to point out the rules and the clear interpretation of. Don't even have to do much to rule lawyer if that is the case.

As of course opposed to the game of darts played by the admins throwing every sort of dart which probably isn't even fit for the board they are playing with in hopes that something fits and then wrecking the board anyway because they "own" it despite the clear agreement initially abided by with all parties.

I believe the point of the admins being unable to answer the simple question of whether there was any harm at all and choose to ignore/avoid it in all instances to throw out every single thing which is irrelevant to the issue would prove how shitty the admins are behaving here.

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XurxomarioI didnt blow up chem i promise•

Sounds like about what i expected for a reply, thanks.

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SpetusMaximus•

TLDR

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XurxomarioI didnt blow up chem i promise•

Tl;Dr: Shitler gets banned for grudging and rules lawyering, comes on reddit to cry harder when appeal rejected.

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SuicidalRussian•

tl;dr

some shitface can't argue properly and come up with an objective argument

comes on to reddit posts to give subjective invalid points

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XurxomarioI didnt blow up chem i promise•

Also a valid interpretation, yea!

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SuicidalRussian•

The valid interpretation was meant for you. Congratulations.

Edit: Look dude,I really don't care about this guy,nor you. But all of ss13 community is a bunch of "NPCs" who hate admins simply due to the fact that they can. Albeit exceptions. Do we really need to place our butts in this guy's case and start to take sides?

This ain't no civil war

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Still eternally salty. Stay mad grudger.

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EndarulGrey•

to bad Im banned from their discord for pissing gregg off to experience this shitshow

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You're not funny! You're not smart!

HAHAHAHA

... and you're not cool!!

XD. Had me dead

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ComradeHavoc•

This is why I left hippie

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zazzspo•

Updooted :)

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