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DoerteEU

NTC 2.0 is WoWS' "Gold Ammo" - And it ain't going away, but I am.

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Former WoT PTSD-victim here!

For that reason, I always feared WG might pull their equivalent "Gold Ammo" on WoWS, too. Hoping they would not. 2019 and its insane number of lootbox events have been tough. Even line releases come in lootboxes now! "Free content" is being sold in Early Access. Everything, including TX Premiums in WoWS can effectively be bought for money now.

Because of this development and prior experience, I had decided: "I'm out the same moment, WG pulls their equivalent of WoT's Gold Ammo."

That moment seems closer than I thought, because it looks as if (after Research Bureau as preparation) NTC 2.0 will be exactly that: The Gold Ammo of WoWS. The last straw for me. Removal of equality from the last (financially) fair and level playing field left in WoWS: Silver Ships

Here's why:

  • 1. (Im)Balance:

Unwilling or incapable: WG can't be assed to properly (I mean properly!) balance TX. They never could. Or much of any part of WoWS. (In their defence: Balance doesn't sell ships) If it wasn't obvious, last Clan War Season could've just been called "Russians, Premiums 'n' Kleber-Mode" instead. Balance clearly isn't a priority.

Therefore I got absolutely ZERO faith WG will suddenly balance multiple (UU) editions of T10 ships they failed to balance as single editions before (Even less, make each Unique relevant)

  • 2. It's already decided:

DevBlog, if you read it carefully, made clear: This feature isn't potentially implemented, it's decided. It'll come. They even set the date already. WG must've anticipated this change to be universally despised. Why? Because they already fucking tried it once before!

The sheer determination and balls required to even try this is impressive. Again! NOW! Amidst the PR fiasco! That made one thing very clear:

How little they care that NTC was hated. Even more so, how much they desperately want to implement it. Therefore

  • 3. This isn't going away. (Obviously)

(Or as Lesta's CEO would put it: "No amount of whining will change it!" What a role model for all us unemployed idiots with health issues! What a hero!)

Now you might be asking yourselves:

"Why is WG so hellbent on doing it anyway? Why is this so important to them? What's worth this calamity?"

Simple (same reason as most stupid shit in WoWS): Money!

NTC 2.0 = "Buff your ships for Cash"

Unique Upgrades will likely make your ship stronger. (Otherwise what's the point of even going thru all of this?) Can you imagine grinding towards any Yamato upgrade, requiring to completely grind the entire IJN BB tree at least twice... and that Upgrade doing anything but buff dispersion, concealment, heal or reload? Neither can I. (E: Prerequisite to access Research Bureau is 5x Tier 10 ships, ofc)

So whale forth and buy Upgrades! Like this:

  • Money ->
  • Doubloons ->
  • Convert EliteXP (for Dbl.)->
  • FreeXP ->
  • Use FXP -> insta-grind e.g. up to Yamato (~800.000XP)
  • Instantly reset (i.e. lose) Yamato, back to Tier 1
  • Get Research Points (for Reset)
  • Unique Upgrades (bought w/ RP)

You could own any Unique Upgrade in a few minutes. 🎵"All you need is pay!" (for XP conversion and ofc tens of millions of Credits) Play 4 games of Co-Op and you got your RPs. Extraordinarily expensive, but entirely possible. In fact, buying a Colbert/Ohio for money, is already practically possible. Or does anyone think every one of those Ohios was "paid" for via grind? Or at least unconverted FXP? I know many were. But sure not even close to all.

On top of that: The unreasonably high price leaves even less incentive to try and balance them. Cuz OP shit sells well. And this double conversion (Doubloons->FXP->RP) is likely the most profitable Doubloon sink in WoWS, yet.

That super-high price (aka Return on Investment) is the reasos for all this. Implementing the most expensive content yet... for almost zero development cost. Endlessly repeatable. It's genius! It's why WG is fully willing to weather this shitstorm. Their spending pattern analyses apparently suggested: It'll be entirely worth it. Whales will still pay up. And that money is the kind of feedback that ultimately matters. (Proof: Endlessly ignored Q&A feedback. Hundreds of times, repeating how much we HATE... exactly everything the PR Directives turned out to be. To a degree of resemblance, it looks like trolling. The Bizarro-version of community wishes)

-Bottom line-

NTC 2.0 will likely make Uniques a requirement in competitive. And buying them possible. In turn, peer-pressuring other players into following accordingly. Further enforcing the need to own them as they become standard. ("Either another super-grind or more money! Or... be content with your disadvantage, you cheap shit!")

If NTC 2.0 goes live, competitive modes at Tier 10, TX Ranked, TX Clan War and TX KotS... will die. And due to consequences for Balance, Equality and Population... so might TX Randoms eventually. At which point WoWS is the digital equivalent of Polo: Only for the Rich and Privileged. (In one of the already most steeply priced F2Ps in the entire market, that's quite the achievement)

Just as any Competitive mode, so will my participation in this game be: Dead. I won't play, nor pay this much to stay competitive; Nor support business practices like these or anything I got so little faith left in.

To me, this IS WoWS' equivalent of "Gold Ammo". And I'm out the very day that shit's going live.

Probably in 3 months.

^^^Lots.of.edits

Clarification: Criticism not directed at any one Designer, Programmer, Artist or even Community Manager, but those who call the shots, decide monetisation models, the ever more horribly/boringly designed missions etc. The ones who ordered the radical course "corrections", redirecting this ship to where it's been heading lately.

Posted Dec 19, 2019, 12:44 PM UTC · edited

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jblearghSeal•

Tin foil hat on....

The only explanation that I've got for the Lesta GM post:

  • Phase 1 - Be/appear to be a cynical a$$ole and troll the community

  • Phase 2 - Announce a second punch... something guaranteed to raise pitchforks.

  • Phase 3 - Retreat... victory to the angry mob... GM posts a decent apology recognising his arrogance and "why can't we all be friends..."

  • Phase 4 - By this phase almost everybody already forgot about the PR Fiasco. The rest will be able to say: "Well... at least we won one"

  • Phase 5 - Profit

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DoerteEUOP"Execute Ord... Directive 66!"•

Considered this might be a diversion, yeah. And to a degree is sure shifts the focus away from PR. The fewer ppl are informed about the event, the more buy into the PR grind.

Intended or not: It already is successful. (Just look at the shift on this Sub) For now. But that PR boomerang will hit us again, once more and more ppl are getting that "BUY ME FOR... ANOTHER 35K!" button in their port and realise what WG is trying to do.

Imo they just set off another charge between two already planned explosions.

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jblearghSeal•

That's why they are also doing refunds for the boosters. No one will be able to say that they were "tricked" by the directives.

At this point, if anyone is not aware of the PR Fiasco doesn't use the forums, this sub, twitter, facebook, youtube, etc.... therefore doesn't matter. They are not holding pitchforks.

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El_Producto•

It's depressing how many Gorizias you see in game. I did a co-op to knock off a snowflake the other day and there were six in one game.

I get it. It makes the first three directives easier and you get the doubloons back (though you are paying full ticket price for those doubloons with no discount). Hell, if the PR grind were reasonable it would be an example of a fairly healthy method of shearing whales a little.

The problem is that the whole PR situation is cynical and abusive, and all the people buying Gorizias are pumping money into the game that WG's balance sheet will list as being directly attributable to the PR event. They've helped make this event a more successful one, from WG's perspective.

I'm assuming that anyone who was going to buy Gorizia has already done so, but for the love of god, next time WG does a PR-like absurd grind event, don't give them money even if on paper the math works out for you. Rewarding WG's bad behavior encourages them to do more of this.

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SmokingPuffinoften has unpopular opinions•

The Gorizia offer makes good sense for players even if they aren’t trying for Puerto Rico. If you were going to buy doubloons or boxes, you basically get a much smoother directives grind for free, and there’s good stuff in the event other than PR. I’m sure their analysts will break out “people who bought Gorizia” and “people who bought PR boosters” as two different cohorts with some overlap.

In general I wouldn’t worry about how your purchase looks to WG. Buy what you think is good value. Pass on what you think is bad value. Your purchases are only a single data point among many thousands.

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700KMF•

If they did not returned money, WG would be hanged by EU Consumer Protection Agencies(getting money trough false advertisment(aka "Free PR")), so no choice for WG... in EU at least.

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DerpsterJTuxBravo•

They aren't refunding money, they're refunding doubloons. It's well within EU law, it's the whole point why games like this has their own currency.

Technically, you got what you paid for; doubloons.

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bookgrinderWorld of Shooting at the US Cruiser•

Phase 3 kind of happened already.

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turbokrzak•

Dont forget about the "legendary" captains for 175k coal- which is also NTC-like- straight up upgrade for a price of premium T10 ship (with coupon).

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LongDistanceEjcltrmods reported me to admins kek•

You can't typically buy coal. While it's annoying to have to grind for this shit, bottom line is that you can't buy coal even if you're a whale.

Disclaimer: Yes I know you can get coal in 🎅 crates right now, that is an exception though and you'll have to spend a crapton of money to get 200k coal from these (given the rng and crate price).

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MrFingersEULiving the paid lootcrate-free dream in Belgium!•

You can't typically buy coal.

There were premium containers that contained coal (thus you can buy coal with a detour), and WG "experimented" with 2500 coal for 250doubloons in the Black Friday Armory...

The answer is: "you can't typically buy coal... YET"

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LongDistanceEjcltrmods reported me to admins kek•

WG "experimented" with 2500 coal for 250doubloons in the Black Friday Armory

Hmm, I haven't noticed that. I stand corrected then.

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AttentionOnDeck41•

you could only buy it once

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Platanium•

People already buy premium containers for coal anyway sooo

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MurderousKitten69•

" You can't typically buy coal "

Really ?

https://coalhut.com/where-to-buy-coal-near-me

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ElTamales•

YOU AINT FOOLING ME Mr. TRUMP. COAL IS DEAD.

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aether_techCV Is Bad For World of Warships•

Santa crates contained coal.

YOU CAN BUY COAL.

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LongDistanceEjcltrmods reported me to admins kek•

That's literally what I wrote. You can't read?

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aether_techCV Is Bad For World of Warships•

no, i am retarded

thank you for pointing it out further.

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nToxikRoyal Canadian Moosen Navy eh!•

And the talents for those legendary captains don't work in clan battles.

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BlackLunarAww, did you sail straight and go boom?•

To be fair thats the only good point on them.

Because that means newer players are not forced to grid the captains to be even remotely competitive.

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SturmPioniere•

To be fair they do work in Ranked.

^(Why.)

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theycallhimthestug•

Because ranked isn't a competitive mode.

It's randoms with less players, more rewards, and significantly more frustration.

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scarypriestSoviet Navy•

I stopped playing in June and let six months of premium just rot.

The game is nothing like it was when it was ship battles and skill and luck.

I remember when line riding was the problem.

Fuck that game, fuck wargaming.

I'll gladly support a company that makes wows2015 and freezes it in time. I'll pay to play that again.

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csgoready•

It's amazing to watch a team destroy a great game. It's like when you are getting a haircut and it is perfect, but the person just keeps cutting until you look like your third grade yearbook picture. Rather than fix what they have (too boring), they will add layers of gimmicks and squeeze the life out of it. Lower tiers, where players decide if they want to keep playing are abysmal now.

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TrenchJMCruiser•

I haven't played in over a year. I come back to the subreddit every once in awhile to see if anything's gotten better and all I see is that it's gotten worse. I miss what it once was a couple years back, but no way in hell will I return to what it's become.

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BoxOfDustI long for the WoWs era of Ocean || Dust_ @NA•

WoT did WoT Classic this year for April Fools.

My god, arty that didn't stun when it hit me! It was wonderful. What a great week of playing WoT for a week. And then I never went back to WoT again.

Waiting on WoWs Classic to happen, then say my final goodbye to WoWs.

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scarypriestSoviet Navy•

Waiting on WoWs Classic to happen

Wait, is that a thing?

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BoxOfDustI long for the WoWs era of Ocean || Dust_ @NA•

Well, maybe. If WoT did it (granted, as a one week event), there's no reason WoWs couldn't do it (if they did, also likely as a one week event thing).

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Smeghammer5•

What era of WoT did they roll back to? Arty used to be the hammer of God, and counter battery fire by tracers was an actual useful thing to do.

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BoxOfDustI long for the WoWs era of Ocean || Dust_ @NA•

Oh, gosh, it was a pretty early version. The SPG lines didn't even go up to tier 10. It was before the first "major" arty rework. So no later than a 2013 patch for sure. It was before I even started playing (mid-2013), so probably a version in 2012.

My biggest regret was not spending that week of WoT Classic grinding out the line I realized I should've when I started playing the first time. I got up the US mediums up to the M26, then started running up against T-54s, then realized my mistake in not grinding for the T-54. Granted, my experience helped in making the most out of what I had, but still, T-54.

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Smeghammer5•

Dude. Back in the olden days of Hummel Pummel, heavy tanks being the only t10 line... those were the days.

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Sovereign533Destroyer•

Me 2. Although I quit before that. Really disliked balancing decisions made. Still like the idea of the game. And it still looks great. And I'm keeping an eye on the news related to the game in hopes that decisions get reversed or changed. But I'm not holding my breath.

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MrFingersEULiving the paid lootcrate-free dream in Belgium!•

Yeah, me too. If not completely, then at least in the T8-10 bracket (luckily not too many ships there, most ships I have are in the T6-7 bracket). But very likely completely. This isn't the WoWS I signed up for back in 2015.

WG-EU back then was bad, but this is even worse.

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LanzehV2•

Man, it feels bad being new and seeing all this shit around. I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding lines I enjoy cause WG will eventually kill the game anyway.

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w4spl3g•

Be glad you haven't spent a decent used car worth of money on this like many of the angry people posting.

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hbalckDouble Jolly Roger•

Just stay at free to play, so when it implodes you only loose your sense of pride and accomplishment, not actual real money worth spending on other things.

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MrSceintist•

The Game is good - WG shit isn't even on the radar if you play and don't read reddit or the forums.

Honestly without being informed I'd be 10% happier playing the game

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El_Producto•

[Photography flash goes off]

"Get out. Get out."

[blood trickling from nose, advancing on u/LanzehV2]

"GET OUT! GET OUT!"

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Commander_CornflakesDestroyer•

Reddit claims WoWs dead every 3rd patch since like 3 years, just ignore them and have fun with the game.

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DaybreaksBell93•

You sir deserve to eat every single CV rocket fired your way in the game. If I ever come across you ingame in my Audacious rest assured I will hunt you down.

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Squabbles123Jolly Roger•

They created this "NTC" system of regrinding but are seeing little interest in it, not surprising, because regrinding a ship line sounds to me like the very LAST thing I'd ever wanna do. When you finally finish a ship line its not a feeling of "oh man, tier 7 and 8 and 9 were so fun!" but more like "FINALLY I'm done!"

I haven't even personally looked at the system in any length, I'd like an Ohio, maybe a Colbert, but I'm unsure what getting those entails, is it 1 line, multiple lines? What? I damn well don't wanna reset and regrind a line only to find out I need to do it 3 more times. I'm not the only one who feels this way, nobody from my clan has done it, and considering the rarity of those ships in game, doesn't look like many others have either, and I'm REALLY willing to bet the ones who have had a LOT of FXP banked to skip the grind entirely.

Anyway, this is all designed to try to spark interest in this system, since nobody wants to do it, its not going over well.

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kyuss80NA: Baruk_Khazad•

s it 1 line, multiple lines? What? I damn well don't wanna reset and regrind a line only to find out I need to do it 3 more times.

It's any lines but 3 times, and yeah it sucks. Because even if I like and kept a Tier 6, 7, 8 or whatever ship in a line, when you reset it it sells every single ship in that line and starts you all over. And you don't even start getting RB points until Tier 6 so you basically have to Free XP past the low tiers, or play 5-10 matches in each ship.

I did the German Battleship line once to get the RB points for it, but I don't want to regrind any lines for quite some time now.

Another problem I have with it is it's a real Credits burn. I usually have no issue with credits, but after you rapidly buy Tier 7-10 ships, that gets super expensive!

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El_Producto•

Another problem I have with it is it's a real Credits burn. I usually have no issue with credits, but after you rapidly buy Tier 7-10 ships, that gets super expensive!

Yep. I have no doubt that's a huge feature from WG's perspective since they want more credit sinks, but it's such a negative for the majority of players who live with credit limitations (I'm confident it's a majority despite how vocal the "more credits than I can spend" crowd can be on this subreddit).

WG will, of course, say that NTC is only for the very oldest players with little to do... but now they're trying to broaden the pressure for all players to use it.

I still don't see why WG couldn't do more sweet skins like the Yamato Kobayashi skin and have a few of them ultra-exclusive and rare. Make a few skins 30k doubloons or 100M credits. Price them as absurdly as you want. Some whales will get off on the exclusivity of it the same way some are doing so right now as they defend the PR grind. Everyone else can shrug their shoulders at the absurd price since it's just a skin.

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kyuss80NA: Baruk_Khazad•

Yeah and I'm one of those players who has "little to do" -- I'm at Tier 10 in every line in the game except US and IJN CV, IJN Gunboat DD, UK Daring, and FR Kleber. And I'm in 7-9 on those lines, I just don't really care to keep going on any of them as I'm not super interested in obtaining/playing them.

But like, I do have things to do. I have ships I enjoy playing. So your last idea is a really good one IMO.

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Squabbles123Jolly Roger•

3 times?! Holy shit its as bad as I thought. Thanks for the info.

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kyuss80NA: Baruk_Khazad•

Yeah and I think it's only for the "bonus" amount every few months they do. It might actually be more times if you don't do that.

My friend and I both did one line once, and we both just ended up cashing out half the points for 250k Free XP to skip Tier 9 ships or whatever we didn't want to do in other lines.

I do know I won't grind the German Battleship line again! LOL. There's some that probably aren't bad if you really enjoyed that particular line. I could probably do American Battleships, I have no major complaints about any of them now and actually enjoyed Colorado.

I think some of the lines were grinded so long ago that we get to a ship in a match and we're like "OH FUCK, I FORGOT THIS ONE SUUUCCCKKS"

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Smeghammer5•

Apologies for just dropping this here, but does wg have something posted for how the RB works? They must've dropped it over my break, because I had no idea it was in the game until I saw today's drama. I figured the Ohios were a limited time sale, but apparently they're from there?

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kyuss80NA: Baruk_Khazad•

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/game-updates/research-bureau/

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SappeREffecTLand Down Under•

No, the reason no one wants to regrind is there's nothing to grind for...

Not everyone wants to regrind multiple times just for some more T10 ships...

They haven't got shit in there apart from Colbert and Ohio... there's no exclusive reward camos, cool flags, decals, etc etc...

It is 100% just a FXP sink atm... I didn't, I've almost finished IJN BBs again but this also means I won't have time to complete Yamato legendary. The only way I could would mean I miss out on something else (e.g. snowflakes) because RL commitments.

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MrSceintist•

I'll get the Colbert and stop

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ConnorIRemove CVs•

Looks 2020 will go the same as 2019 for me, not spending a single dime on this game because of WGs actions.

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SjalabaisWoWSSjalabais / EU / Soviet main•

I'm going to miss a username on here that I associate with sensible comments and a healthy dose of wit.

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Wibin•

WG knows that it's customers will take it up the ass even when they are getting it up the ass already. Look at the diehard tryhard WOT's people who get screwed by power creep and feature creep.

The reason I switched to WoW's is a lot of the things that make tanks bullshit and just garbage isn't in WOW's, but some of it is now. Cannot participate in events unless you have the highest tiers of ships. Oh, I'm so sorry I dont' spend my life playing this game and only have tier 9's and 8's. Me playing since beta mean's jack shit of course.

WG has done this tons of times in tanks where they just shit on everyone then know that everyone will forgive them after a bit and keep playing anyways.

I don't ever really want to stop playing warships, but the more and more bullshit they throw, the less and less I even want to participate in ranked... if i even can participate.

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U-B-WarePuerto Rico is "FREE"•

As far as I am concerned for ranked, I just get to rank 5 and usually stop there. That nets a decent amount of steel and other rewards and I can usually get through it in like 30-40 games with ~60% WR.

Unless they start rewarding skill instead of the stupid star system they currently have in place, I will never try to get R1.

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Wibin•

It's not the fact of where to stop or what not, its the fact that they will do ranked with tier 7 to blah, then only people with tier 10's can proceed further.

Like "sorry, you're not good enough to get to rank 1 because you have not spent enough money with us."

But they will gladly provide "rental" ships for Clan wars shit.

Denying me a basic event because I don't have a tier 10 is bullshit. Then you get to listen to all the CC's bitch because they are trying to get to rank 1 playing with a bunch of retards who have no idea to play because they were able to proceed further because they might have a tier 10.

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KimberlyLippingtonBanned for hate crimes against the weebs •

They did rentals for Ranked once and it was a disaster (starting from the fact rentals couldn't equip camo so imagine how rental DDs fared...), be careful what you wish for

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Wibin•

I don't want rentals for ranked.

I don't want door guards on ranked.

Either make it all tier 10, or 1 other tier only.

Not this step tiered shit that just screws up everything.

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Careoran•

The only options for us to stay away from this NTC shit is, either play CooP / PvE exclusively or quit playing WoWs.

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IanH7554 years of WoWS and WG are still doing dumb shit!!!•

After initially playing 6 months of PvP I've now been a Co-Op player for over 3 years, I find it much more fun and enjoyable and you can still grind lines, do directives etc, it just takes a little longer.

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Kruaal•

How? Like... how is coop enjoyable? I've done way too many of them for snowflakes and it just is insanely boring to me...

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Tsukiumi-ChanThanks for Buffing the Fujin, Weegee!•

Some of us find a strategy of “YOLO straight into all the action and slug it out” to be enjoyable. Co-Op is super fun

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thcus•

I really enjoy Yolo ing but its fun cause it is stupid and gets punished 3/4 times and then it works this one time and its magical. In co-op it just always works. Gets stale very quickly imo. Scenarios are the more enjoyable co-op mode imo.

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SXLightningClosed Beta Player•

But it was fun the first time but other than playing BBs it get boring real quick. I charge in as a DD and shoot and torp and the game is over in 4 mins. Im like.... ok now what, do this 100 times.

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tarkin1980•

Some people just want to see guns go boom.

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IanH7554 years of WoWS and WG are still doing dumb shit!!!•

You don't play like a PvP player in Co-Op, you charge in full speed ahead with all guns blazing, secondaries hammering away whilst torping everything in sight until your glorious death 3 minutes later in a blaze of dead bot heaven.

Passive PvP play is worthless and unfun in Co-Op.

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Wibin•

I seem to have missed what NTC is. Somebody wanna throw me a bone on this acronym here?

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data_unavailableMore data is needed•

NTC stands for Naval Training Center. The core would have been regrinding lines to give stat improvements to ships, stuff like concealment buffs, reload buffs and probably even more battle advantages.

The community went nuts over this, and for once it really was the whole community. WG was pretty much forced to back away from the stat buffs and shifted to the Research Bureau, which now lets you regrind lines, earn another virtual currency and buy stuff like ships or FXP with it. And soon they will also gate the Unique Upgrades behind this.

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Wibin•

Yeah. I remember all that.

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LtNagaeFleet of Fog :arp:•

Naval Training Center. in a nutshell: regrind a line several times to apply a buff to any ship, applicable 3 times.

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Wibin•

Yeah, I just caught it and it clicked and came back to edit.

I remember them talking about it a while ago, but meh. I don't even have the time to grind out tier 10's as a casual player even with my mass of flags and other stuff.

Got a bunch of 7's and 8's, and 2 tier 9's. maybe 1, i cannot remember.

The idea is giving something for more ... high end players to do. The problem is that it shits on everyone else.

Ranked now shits on players like me. "oh, you dont have a tier 10? to bad"

Missions? hahahaha. I cannot even get Halsey, why? I dont have a shit stack of tier 10's to complete the missions. But I can easily pass through yammammoto no problems.

I dont' want hands outs or easy shit, but I'm sick of games that don 't give you anything for essentially a shitty day job grind.

NTC is basically for the players who view this game as a job and are willing to suck off WG for more power.

Fuck, more power? fix the fucking ships out there already that are pure garbage and underperforming.

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Wibin•

hahaha.

I've never been upset at the progression ability in this game, but tier 9 is the highest I have and I've played since Beta.

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quatchShowing a boardside is step 1 in having a coffin made•

and me

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DoerteEUOP"Execute Ord... Directive 66!"•

NTC was what Prestige Mode in (old) Call of Duty was.

IF Prestige Mode had also made your weapons a bit stronger each time you reset.

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Wibin•

Yeah, I had no interest in COD. hahaha

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charliegsand•

gold ammo will 100% cause me to quit this game.

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[deleted]•

I think every line I was slowly grinding has now been powercrept, nerfed into the ground, or needs its unique upgrade to keep up with the new lines WG refuses to balance. What point is there for me to grind them anymore? Now I have to finish all of the grinds, then do it all over again just to make some of my desired ships decent. There must have been a change of management, because WG has effectively decided against all the earlier decisions they made to keep this game good. Submarines, selling T9 and T10 premiums, removing the reliable and easy access to legendary upgrades.

There's no reason to play this game anymore. Maybe one day a good company will come out with a warship simulator.

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bathozHMS Thunder Child [OP]•

WoWS has had the equivalent of gold ammo for a very, very long time.

I'm not a fan of the UU change. I think it breaks simple play patterns (aka, play the ship you like to get the thing that makes the ship you like 'better').

But there are so many players out there who aren't playing with full premium (aka gold) consumables. Sure these are available for silver, but so is gold ammo. They're a cost to play, which means they're really available for premium time.

And that's before you add flags that improve your HE, your heal, your speed, your consumable reload time, your fire resistance, etc. - which, again, get earned easier and more plentifully with premium time. This leads to the virtuous circle of percentiles better performance, more money, more flags, leading to better performance.

The true F2P players don't use any of these nearly as freely as the gold players, because they think they can't afford to. Just as in WoT, there are people who never fire a single gold round (ignoring the all gold all the time types) because they can't afford to.

So, yeah, this is a negative change. But don't pretend we haven't all been playing with 'gold ammo' for ages.

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SmokingPuffinoften has unpopular opinions•

Back in the NTC disaster, I believe WG folks mentioned that about half of players were playing with the basic consumables. So you’re right, this is a big thing.

Personally, I’ve been F2P in this game for quite some time, but like most established players I have a big stack of credits, so I mostly use premium consumables.

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touf25•

I was few months ago lmplaying quite actively, I had already stopped premium a while ago due to multiple OP ship introductions and no balance .

Clearly WG as in wot with gold ammo doesn't care to have healthy games, they are the No1 toxicity generator by fu**** harder and harder people.

They are so greedy, with gambeling lootbox to the possibility to buy high tier premiums... Good for them that generate quite some cash but that also kill at least partially agame because players just leave.

I stopped wot due to gold ammo, I will probably stop playing wows soon , thx wg to free me time to play games that I could not before.

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Ephemiel•

*slowly looks at the PR Directives*

So THAT is why they're so ridiculous, it's to get people ready for the garbage to come.

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seedless0Clanless Rōnin•

And if you think Unique Upgraded will be limited to Tier X, you are dreaming. NTC is such low effort, high return to them, they will not let it be limited.

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NeutralStatesDemand Team Work Incentives - Shitposting Intensifies•

Anything performance related should not be in the NTC or relate to it in anyway.

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BinarySoul•

Well said, I think lots of us are staying away for all those reasons. I used to play a lot, I used to spend money. I started on tanks during the beta when you couldn't even drive up hill and stuck with it for a long time. I did planes beta, I was in ships right away for the beta but the direction WG goes constantly tly drives me away. I've basically not played tanks since ships were introduced, now they are gone for me as well.

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ParanoidNotAnAndroidHMS Marathon•

Yeah I'm seriously thinking of just cutting my losses and moving on as well. I had though that the only thing I would do was renew my premium time but I don't think I even want to do that, at this point.

Sad that it has to be this way, WG really killed the golden goose in my eyes, because I don't think I've spent as much on a single game as I have on this one.

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