Spider 17-20 on manual with Ultimate Galek

Guide

It’s now time to stop lurking around and contribute to this sub a little bit. Spider 20 is a pain. It is especially a pain if you don’t have one of the critical components the vast majority of teams have – Coldhearts. After opening more than a 100 voids I’ve yet to get a single one. Neither was I lucky enough to pull Lua or Psylar, mass unkillable or aoe burn.

However, we have a guide on spider 20 and we have u/lythandra2 who has provided breakdowns on how he achieved victory over different affinities of high level spider.

Update: there's now a video of a spider 20 run

The following is the road and some comments on high level spider.

  • If you’re not farming dragon 20 already and don’t have heroes that make spider easy, don’t commit to the budget versions of teams below. You’ll need to level, gear up and upgrade so much it’s not worth it.

  • Get ultimate Galek if you can. He drastically cuts down the time you farm spider on manual and has a limited potential for auto as well!

This was my team for spider 17: https://imgur.com/VxEKaJP

Fu-shan, Ultimate Galek, Lich, Armiger, Paragon

Comments on choices and gear:

Fu-shan provided def down, speed aura and some damage. Can be easily replaced by anything.

Ultimate galek:

Galek needs to be fully booked for full potential.

You have to get him to accuracy 185+, decent hp and speed.

If you’re using him without an attack up hero you have to get his crit rate to 100 to enable hp burn.

His only masteries were crit rate and accuracy. There’s no need to have him at a level higher than 50 in this composition.

Lich

Provides good lockdown and speed decrease that is extremely helpful. Unfortunately he wasn’t as good or consistent as I had hoped on spider 20. Still, he will be a good hero for Rhazin and faction wars.

The only things you want for Lich are enough accuracy, speed and hp.

His only mastery was accuracy

Armiger

Armiger in those compositions needs to have 100% crit rate, accuracy and speed. Health is also important if you ever want him in your auto composition.

In my case, without defense down he hit for around 120k with his a2. In comparison, Galek’s aoe burn hit for 166k per burn tick. Since there are 10 spiderlings this damage adds up extremely fast and dwarves the potential damage armiger could bring.

So his main goal throughout had been to decrease the turn meter.

He had masteries of crit rate, crit dmg, and accuracy up to lore of steel. But only crit rate and accuracy are mandatory

Paragon

This is the main star of the show. The only two things you want for him are enough speed (186+) and booked a2. That’s it.

If you’re looking for an alternative to paragon you can use gnarlhorn (though not on force affinity)

Optionally you might want paragon to have accuracy for 10% tm decrease. But honestly speaking it’s not going to make much of a difference. Paragon has to spend a turn putting unkillable on himself. Because of this he only hits every other turn and the overall utility is not worth it.

My team for Spider 18 was the following: https://imgur.com/4y3QuSw

Stitched Beast x2, Ultimate Galek, Lich, Paragon.

Due to the affinity I had to change things around. The new hero that was used was the

Stitched beast

Has a full turn meter depletion and weaken. There’s a need for it to have enough accuracy, speed and hp. In my case the two beasts had a difference of 20 speed. You need to time them so they deplete the turn meters in order.

Mastery-wise stitched beasts had accuracy and one of them had lore of steel.

My team for spider 19 was the following: https://imgur.com/aMUh65H

Due to the affinity galek couldn’t be used. So it was a nightmare. I’ve had to redo the 20+ minute runs a few times, so here are a few takeaways:

I went into the fight thinking that 170 accuracy is enough. However even with 185 accuracy sometimes the turn meter depletions on lich and beasts would fail. I had to re-gear them to make sure they all have 200+ and that proved to be enough.

Fu-shan was chose because he had warmaster and on this affinity he could dish out the most damage from my roster. With weaken and defense down he was able to hit as hard as 120k per turn with each warmaster proc and had carried the fight in the end.

Spider 20 team: https://imgur.com/votoRdL

Finally, the spider 20 dream on manual is here. I was able to get around 6 minute runs with this composition. At least now I’ll be able to get some decent jewelry before figuring out how to auto it!

Posted Dec 20, 2019, 11:56 AM UTC · edited

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Legendslayr•

Upvoted. Great guide showcasing more options for us non-whales to get through spiders. Thanks for putting in the effort to share your success with the rest of us!

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Shymans•

Wow this is amazing! I had no idea you could clear lvl20 spider with such a "low tier" team composition. Thanks for all the info, I will try to apply it to the next spider event.

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lythandra2•

Great Job! Ultimate Galek really brings in the bang for your buck for clearing spider's den faster. Armiger's gear requirements are crazy high. The hardest problem to solve for auto spider 20 is how to stay alive. Still haven't solved it that is sustainably organically grown and not subject to RNG like retribution tanks or require martyr/Valkyrie.

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OriginMDOP•

Thanks for your posts, they were really helpful.

I do actually have a Valkyrie, but she is busy with clan boss. Equipping her in reflex or speed set is an expensive undertaking that I might do down the line, but not at this moment.

I’m really lacking in the turn meter reduction department and don’t have faith it will work seamlessly on auto.

We’ll see how it goes

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lythandra2•

well not with paragon it won't. his unkillable buff is random target so on auto who knows where it will land. If he only casted it on himself he would be legendary. The lich makes turn reduction pretty easy. but of course not on spider 20 and books helps her be useful beyond round 1 if she is going to live. If not armiger is the better option. I even used marquis (before I sacrificed him) as an alternative but it is on 15% speed reduction.

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OriginMDOP•

It will likely be a very different composition.

Something along the lines of

Valkyrie Fellhound/infernal baroness Ultimate galek

And two slots for locking down big spider. I don’t think two armigers will do it even with fellhounds decrease speed. Not sure if lich will help much even booked.

I’ll have to see what comes my way next x2 ancients event

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lythandra2•

I have actually seen someone do spider with infornal baroness in retaliation gear (25% counter attack). Stewgaming does it with bellower in stun gear, fellhound with stun gear might also be an option. you would need 3 armigers or a bunch of speed, probably more than is possible for armiger to only use two, 15% speed debuff is not nearly as good as 30% speed debuff. Though I did it with just Lich and an one armiger on stage 17

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justinc503•

Awesome info. Thanks for your efforts!

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Khammer4271•

This deserves an upvote!

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H3artl3ss-Gam3r•

Everyone is upset they can't pull a Coldheart and I'm over here like "Can I ever get a Paragon?". He's one of the few void rares I still haven't pulled.

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OriginMDOP•

Gnarlhorn works too. Any hero that has low cooldowns on unkillable can work in all honesty.

Ch are good mainly because the do double duty - deal massive damage and deplete the turn meter fully

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H3artl3ss-Gam3r•

Doesn't Gnarlhorn have a 3 turn cooldown on his unkillable? If so then he can easily be killed when that skill is on cooldown right? I'll have to search some vids on him I guess

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OriginMDOP•

You’re right! Seems you have to have higher speed on him. Here’s a video that may help https://youtu.be/_eI7tGqwFHc

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H3artl3ss-Gam3r•

Thank you!

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Sifis78•

All the small spiders hit paragon? And in the second round paragon make the unkillable to himself or to someone else?

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OriginMDOP•

All the spiderlings hit paragon only because he has a very low health pool compared to the rest.

He only casts unkillable on himself. I might record a video and post it so you can see the sequences

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Sifis78•

i ask you cause i do the same with paragon. i have him undressed. first round all good but in the second round he make the unkillable to someone else. i dont know why.

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OriginMDOP•
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Beetlebomb•

Thanks for the video. Helps to understand a lot better

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OriginMDOP•

You need to do it manually, by hand. This does not work on auto

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SensibleInvesting•

Hi OP,

I'm F2P but don't have most of the champions mentioned on this guide. I did get lucky with some of my F2P shards which pulled a Miscreated Monster, a Coldheart, and a Maneater.

Would it be possible to run a team comp of Miscreated Monster (40k HP, 100% crit), Ultimate Galek, Spirit Host, Armiger, Coldheart or replace Armiger with Maneater?

I am too poor to book Galek - used it all on Miscreated Monster. I also have an Apothecary which is booked.

Thanks!

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OriginMDOP•

That is a comp that should be able to easily do spider 20 on manual.

Use man eater of course. With that comp by combining unkillable and then a massive shied you should have enough sustain to Nuke and burn the spider without trouble

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SensibleInvesting•

Thanks MD. Can I just clarify what speed the Galek needs to be? Also, I tried testing an unbooked Galek today and the HP burns didn't stack for some reason - tested it on spiders 10 and it didn't work. Thanks again!

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SensibleInvesting•

Hey MD, sorry for the double message - I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. In your video, every time the little spiders go, the big spider's HP gets burned. It's not happening for my game, and it clearly shows the big spider has an HP burn - do you know why this is happening?

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OriginMDOP•

Galek’s speed is the more the better. He needs to have attack up buff to make the mass burn - this is his limitation.

If you’re not using an attack up buffing hero you need to get him to 100% crit to enable his a2 to self buff

You also need enough accuracy to land the burns.

Spider gearing is super hard.

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SensibleInvesting•

I re-watched your video and found out why I'm not beating spiders 13 - the little spiders keep dying because Miscreated Monster hits too hard, not giving the burns enough time to kill the big spider. So I either need paragon to be the meatshield, or somehow beat spiders 13 so I can have more spider fodder that doesn't die straight away!

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SensibleInvesting•

Hi MD, just to clarify, are you saying you can only beat the spider with mass burn, and that single target burn doesn't work??

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