What advice do you wish you'd never heard?
Seems like there's a lot of posts here and on other websites about everything you wish you'd known. What are some things you read or heard that looking back were bad pieces of advice, made you inefficient, or were harmful shortcuts?
Posted Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC
Most things EQ-related.
"EQ out the low end on everything you don't need", "High pass bass sounds"
so much of my initial stuff was tinny and sounding super unnatural and it was a result of over eq-ing. Most of your composition can be fixed with note voicing, arrangement, and primarily volume
this is so fucking true dude. once i stopped following EQ advice from people on reddit my mixes got so much better because I EQ'd things the way I thought sounded best
Being new to the game, EQ is one of the more daunting things to me. I'm not even finishing songs yet, but I still worry about what I don't know regarding EQing/Mastering
EQ is super valuable, don't get me wrong, and it's also not an 8-headed beast. Learning it is relatively easy, learning when/how to properly use it during arrangement/composition is the art.
You can make a ton of your music by barely touching an EQ, assuming you have a decent sample selection and VSTs/instruments. Looking back i would've focused less on over EQ'ing evrerything, and just learned how to do proper sound/voicing selection from the get go.
Not sure what kind of music you make, but I've been referring a lot to Crystal Skies' point blank course: https://www.sonicacademy.com/courses/future-chill-with-crystal-skies/tutorial-14-mixing-and-mastering-840
A lot of the songwriting/composition is done without a single touch of an EQ.
That said, sound synthesis and cleaning up raw audio samples is a different ball game altogether, which usually relies a bit more on EQ side.
I’ve heard to cut out the non audible stuff like below 30 hz so you can obtain more headroom. Are there arguments against this?
no argument against that, that's still valid. That said, my goal isn't to obtain more headroom, it's to achieve a cleaner sound on all sound systems.
Personally I cut below the lowest fundamental frequency of my lowest sub note. (On the sub channel) It depends on the note played by the sub, so 30 isn’t always the answer.
That being said, sometimes I high pass everything above 20 Hz on my master for releases. This is because most humans can’t hear below 20 Hz and most headphones and speakers will struggle to reproduce it, so it’ll sounding super muddy. But generally speaking, I’d say (depending on the track) cut to the lowest note played by your sub, and that’s somewhere between 20-40. Generally, this is fine because it’s unlikely you’re using FX that utilize frequencies lower than that.
Doing this CAN make your kick or low sounds sound thin though, so I’d say trust your ears, learn how to match samples to the key you’re in (including the pitch of your drums) and good composition and levels will more than likely do most of the work, since with good sample selection and volumes you won’t have to process much and it’ll fit in phase because of the frequencies they resonate at, and will naturally create space for the other stuff to fit in.
I’d say do that and compose or mix in mono (depending on if you’re an all in one producer or you split projects into stages). If you use the right sounds, have good composition, and use your ears and spectrum analyzer, it makes EQ way more simple and you’ll find you won’t use it as much as you think.
DM me and I’ll hook you up with any answers to mixing questions. I’m no legend, but if you’re newer i can definitely help you figure out who to learn from on YouTube and stuff.
if you're making a film score or something where you want people to feel a bodily rumbling sensation when listening with big-ass subwoofers, keep it. otherwise, i'd get rid of it - why would you want to spend headroom on sounds nobody can hear?
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Yeah I think it's something I don't know a lot about but end up seeing a lot of tips and tricks for, so it makes it seem more complicated in my head.
I'll have to check that out, thanks for the link!
Solid sound design is super key too. It's funny, I have some mentors and such, and a song I did the least eqing I had ever done, I was told it was the cleanest sounding mix of mine yet. It's a very subtle art not to be overdone or youll risk squashing the sound.
The best advice to a beginner for EQ is probably "don't overdo it" along with "don't be afraid to use it."
If it sounds better than it did before EQ, you're fine. There's really no "wrong" way aside from overdoing it, maybe.
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I think the important thing there is knowing what low end really means, I’d say it’s safe to cut out the low end of everything that doesn’t need it, but you just have to be thoughtful in how low to cut on what.
Then you just weren't doing it correctly. I always eq the low out of instruments that don't need it.
That's EXACTLY the point. Initially when I was just learning, I wasn't doing it correctly, and following some amateur youtuber/redditor give shallow, echoed-out advice didn't help my learning ... Similarly, following a pro producer/mastering engineer tutorial, the knowledge gap is so wide that their information will be useful to me some day in the future, but not when I was just getting my production-toesies wet.
I think the tone of your response is what "newbie me" heard & took to heart, and thought that I just had to cut the low end because people "cut the low end" without understanding what was going on. And it resulting in cutting too much low end, or too much high end, or too much of the mid, and being too aggressive with additive/subtractive, just because I thought "i had to eq out sounds i didn't want". Nowadays, I know what I'm doing with an EQ. Back then, I didn't. And it made my productions extra shitty. Almost every tutorial involves slapping EQs left and right, and many times it seems like they do it by default, then find a reason to slap it on, many of those times they'll say "to clean out the low end" or "to make headroom". If you're 3/6/9 months into production you might have no clue as to what that means.
The advice is, try not to worry about EQ'ing early on as it might be a horrible rabbit hole to get lost in, and an expensive one to dig yourself out of -- you'll get to EQ'ing and understand how/when to use effectively it eventually. Focus on the 100's of other things you need to make a song first.