Le Terrible vs Blyskawica vs Leningrad (comparison by Turtle)

Guide

Hello,

sorry, that it took so long, but things were happening and I couldn´t get to this comparison. As usually I will try to be as on point as possible and I will try to sum up each of these unique DDs in few different categories, but all these DDs are crazily different, though Leningrad and Terrible seem almost same in terms of stats.

Commander setup/build

LE TERRIBLE

Gunboat annoyance build: Violet with Quick fix, Flank speed,Stand or fall, Sidestep, Rather be torching and Vian and Bey as inspirations

This is my standard setup, but if you want you can take Contact is imminent or Look at me now(this was my first setup before I fully understood Terrible in Legends)

You can also make torpedo focused build with Auboyneau, that can work for sure

BLYSKAWICA

Gunboat build: Swirski with Observant rage, Look at me now, T´n´T, Smoke on water, Unstoppable and Bey and Auboyneau as inspiration

There is not much things you can change about Blyska setup, but you can definitely try Mortar on her, preferably, if you are in division and have one friend "spotting" for you.

LENINGRAD

Gunboat annoyance build: similiar to Terrible, but I selected all torpedo focused skill and took Madden instead of Bey, but this is more of general build for all russian DDs.

Gunboat build: Trubetskoy with Observant rage, Mortar or Look at me now(depends on mood), A thousand cuts, Smoke on the water, Unstoppable and Bey and Auboyneau as inspirations.

Currently I am running Trubetskoj build and whole comparison will be based on that build, but both commanders can definitely work.

Artillery

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Name of shipNumber of gunsReload time180 turning timeFiring range
LE TERRIBLE55 s18 s11,5 km
LENINGRAD54,4 s27,7 s10,7 km
BLYSKAWICA76 s14,2 s10,7 km

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Name of shipHE shell damageFire chanceAP shell damage
LE TERRIBLE186012%2700
LENINGRAD21668%2750
BLYSKAWICA17688%2200

LE TERRIBLE

I felt most comfortable with guns on Terrible, because they have pretty good turret traverse, so they can shoot on target, even if you are maneuvering like crazy and allows nice kiting and open water shooting of guns.

When kiting you can use three guns without any serious problems, so you can be as annoying as possible.

(here is clip of game, in which you can see her gun behaviour: https://youtu.be/vNnbeEAEnT0 )

LENINGRAD

Guns on Leningrad pack very (like really big)big punch and reload pretty fast (4,4 sec with my build), but they are rotating bit slower, so sometimes you find yourself in situation, when your guns are still just turning towards enemy and he is getting free shots, but T´n´T or clever positioning can help with this problem.

Similarly to Terrible you can use three guns, when kiting away.

(here is just example of Leningrad game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFEiQfgPxs )

Blyskawica

Blyskawica has 7 guns with very good HE shells, AP felt not so great, if we compare it with Leningrad and Terrible, but that doesn´t mean, that it can´t deal seroius damage to broadsiding enemies.

Blyska can use 4 guns, when kiting away, which can burn enemies very well, that are chasing you.

(here is good example of gunboating Blyska: https://youtu.be/X6jn_TSn420?t=158 )

Torpedoes

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Name of shipLE TERRIBLELENINGRADBLYSKAWICA
Range8 km8 km8 km
Damage184001510014400
Speed65 knots60 knots57 knots
Concealment1,4 km1,2 km1,2 km
Reload time77 s92 s70 s
Number of torps986

I found torpedoes on Terrible to be crazy easy to use and hit enemy ships(even without any buffing of torpedoes), torp on Blyska and Leningrad felt more like "force them to dodge" tool, but they still can do fantastic job.

Survivability(concealment, speed etc.)

LE TERRIBLE (18 600 HP)

I found Terrible to be most agile and hardest to kill, if you know, what are you doing, from these three ships. It can reach up to 51 knots with engine boost and concealment with my build is 5,8km, which is alright, because thanks your speed you can close distance between you and enemy, that´s outspotting you, really fast.

You don´t have smoke, but the glorious agility defends you from everything, but it takes bit of using to. But you for sure need to be turn away at any time, because you can only run away from enemy, because you don´t have smoke.

LENINGRAD (15 200 HP)

Leningrad can reach same maximum speed as Terrible, if you are using Gurin as commander., though it feeels bit more clumsy.

Leningrad has worst concealment from these three ships, but again, it has guns, that can even sink a cruiser in 1v1 duel, if you pick the fight wisely.

When you are in good spot, you can smoke up and just farm free damage, unlike Terrible, plus you can escape with panic smoke, if you mess up.

BLYSKAWICA (15 500 HP)

Blyska has best concealment from these three DDs, if we are not counting concealment build on Terrible and has very good max speed, though not on the level of Terrible or Leningrad, still very good and it has responsive rudder, so you can easily kite away.

The end

First thing, I played way more games on Terrible then on Leningrad and Blyska, so I might be bit biassed, but hopefully this can show at least some different types of gunboats(I would inclued Kidd too, if I had it, because it´s something absolutely different from these three).

I will be making DD guide soon, but it takes bit of time, because almost each DD line can be played two ways and as you can see here, not all gunboats are same, each differs a bit and same can be said about any DD line.

Here is link to my channel(more of archive of clips tbh), if you want to find some more clips(especially Terrible and Blyska from DDs): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs78KoDvR3DG6PSPzYphbjA/featured

If you have some questions feeel free to ask, Turtle

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Note: this is highly subjective thing, so please take it in mind.

Posted May 15, 2020, 12:18 PM UTC · edited

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Squizzy1972Lt. Commander (Veteran)•

Thanks Turtle, Le Terrible seems like the winner here and she's had me interested for some time now... 🤔 what to do, what to do

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

My favorite is Terrible as well, it offers somewhat unique playstyle and can do any things (except smoking up 😂)

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Squizzy1972Lt. Commander (Veteran)•

That's what interests me, she's different!

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Koriat_PrimeEnsign •

I'm definitely in a similar boat! I want the her but I'm also. Eyeing the Cossack. I know a lot of players think she's trash with the changes to her turrets and only having 1 torp launcher but, from the videos I've seen from players she can bully really well. The IJN smoke it has is also, kind of a nice change. I'd they both peak my interest right now.

My only problem with either ship is whether or not they can hold their own in T7 matches. Since that tier is just a bit different of a playstyle from even T6 only matches. Radar makes for an interesting mechanic to play around at times against.

I'm also thinking about the distant future too. Once we start seeing more and more legendary ships added T7s will be in more games with legendary tier ships while T6 may see less T7 matches as a whole.

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

From these three all of them can carry a tier 7 match, just need to be clever against tier 7 DDs and be smart with cruisers.

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Drasch-•

For what it’s worth, I just purchased the Kidd and find it much more fun and versatile than my Le Terrible (Which I still love don’t get me wrong), just in case ;)

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Squizzy1972Lt. Commander (Veteran)•

I have Kidd, hands down my favourite DD!!

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mustang_hr•

I am using the Le Terrible torpedo builds and never felt the guns are lacking, torpedo are the best at T6 imo

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

I agree, but that's it, both guns and torps are one of thr best on tier, so you can buff either one and it still works.

I personally found torpedoes good enough with base stats, so I am rather being annoying with it 😂

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Requesting_SupportXbox•

Great stuff here! In what order would you rank them in terms of eliminating other DDs? Also one thing you can add is the HP of the ships.

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

I will add it, thanks for idea 👍

In DD vs DD situation it is fairly close between all of them, but probably Leningrad has an edge, if it has guns turned towards enemy, followed very closely by Blyska and Terrible.

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orangesnafu•

Very nice writeup. I wish there was a way to trial premiums. Terrible sounds a lot of fun but it would be an expensive mistake if i can't gel with it.

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thenotdylan•

Agreed. I'd really like to try Terrible first.

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Squizzy1972Lt. Commander (Veteran)•
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SeabeakEnsign •

I run Blyskawica with Bey and Sims (16/1), for the extra health.

I mainly bought it for Swirski, to improve all my DD play, but found its my favourite ship - mainly due to it being a money-making T6 premium DD.

All the others are a bit rich for me cost-wise, especially without the extra benefit (Swirski).

I like the idea of Terrible, but the doubloons for something I may not gel with is too much of a risk at that cost.

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thenotdylan•

I really hope the Biscuit is in the store Monday.

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TitanCD4•

What's your Concealment on your B w that set-up? Is there any better (maybe Akatsuki/Kaveri/Asaahio)?

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SeabeakEnsign •

I have Bey and Swirski at 16/2 and it's either 5.0km or 5.1km. Can't remember exactly and just at work so will check later.

Max health is 17,540

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TitanCD4•

Thanks! What's your best concealment with Swirski + Bey on your stealthiest DD?

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SeabeakEnsign •

I have the kamikaze at 4.3km, Akatsuki at 4.6km and Fubuki at 4.8km, all with Tanaka on 12/L2. Icarus at 5.0km, Lightning at 4.8 with Tyrwhitt @12/L2. Running Bey (for Twist and Track) on Maass so is at 4.9km. If I ran Von Spee I could get to 4.7ish, but its a lot of extra commendations and losing TnT for 0.2km isn't worth it.

Arguably the extra 0.3 - 0.4 concealment granted by Swirski may not be worth it to some, but added with Blyskawica means I really like it and glad I got it. I don't think I will send Bey or Swirski past 16/L2 as the gains become marginal. Maybe 0.1km to be gained from getting them both to L4 which is an awful LOT of commendations.

My Blyskawica is at 5.1km which is usually there or there abouts for a level 6 / 7 DD. Top speed is 40.2, without using the booster, so it's nippy as well.

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badmofostang•

I was looking at terribles stats I think the HE is 2000 base you have a different number but maybe I missed something. Thank you for the guide as I just started using the terrible and Leningrad I’m enjoying them both. I’m hoping the blyskawica shows up in the store soon as I have been wanting to get my hands on it.

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

All stats are with commander skills, that I stated in first part of guide.

Glad you liked it

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Thebloodyhound90Lt. Commander (Veteran)•

Add in the amount of torpedos each can fire each reload. That makes a difference.

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

Added, I wrote it so fast, that i forgot about it :D

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KillerMosquito78•

This is the best surmise I’ve seen about these dds. Thank you very much for this. I’m a solely dd driver and was debating whether to get the Leningrad or not. I have the other two and they are great. Might hold off for the Z-39.

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

Glad you liked it, this was hardest "guide" to do so far, because DDS are so much subjective, that it´s hard to share facts without them being too biased .

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Z 39 was one of my favorites on PC, so it´s probably day one buy for me.

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Not-That-Proud•

Can you tell us what mods you use?

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

Of course, Aiming system, Propulsion and Concealment mod on all of them

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headshredder•

Thanks for this. Useful info and well presented. I was looking at buying Terrible. You helped me make a decision.

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AnxiousNewspaper8•

Using the wrong commander smdh 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Turttleman17OPCommander (Contributor)•

There are no wrong commanders to be honest, if it worked for you so far it´s valid commander too, I just shared my setups, so people know, what´s affecting stats.

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