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r/summonerschool•
envlightning

why do lcs pros use ult so weirdly/carelessly on ez?

Question

was watching the c9 vs eg game and there were a lot of moments where zven used ult in random places when they are full hp. i think one instance was to clear the wave faster but isn’t ult like too big of a resource for you to use on that. isn’t it better to just have it during a team fight or snipe someone across the map? this happens a lot in all lcs games where someone is playing ezreal and i was wondering if it is just dogshit during team fights or something

Posted Jun 22, 2020, 10:20 AM UTC

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MrKiwiismDiamond III•

Usually EZ has a lot of cdr from item build then can get ult cd reduced with every Q landed so it’s easy to get your ultimate back up. Also EZ ult isn’t very useful in team fights because it’s easily dodged, doesn’t do as much damage as W Q combo, takes a little while to actually use the ability (cast time) when you could’ve gotten two Qs off in the same amount of time or positioned differently.

It’s definitely useful for picking off enemy’s that are low and the damage in lane at level 6 is very useful just for poke especially if they are hit by W, but in team fights it’s only really useful at the very beginning before fight starts or at the true ending of the team fight.

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Astrildamir•

Just want to add that the most important part of ulting at the beginning of a teamfight is not necessarily for the damage (although the damage is good too) but to get as many passive stacks as possible.

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filthyfatheroffive•

Ez ult isn't useful in teamfights? What? You can do up to like 600 damage per champion by landing it (unreduced when hitting multiple champions) and stack your passive right at the start of a teamfight. This is not insignificant.

The reason why people are pretty careless with Ez ult is because the cooldown is short with CDR + Q spam, and it helps with wave management and occasionally to scout an objective. If those options aren't on the table, you should absolutely save ult for a teamfight or skirmish where that damage matters.

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MrKiwiismDiamond III•

Taking the time to land EZ ult mid team fight when two Qs will do 600 damage is pretty insignificant. You use it at the very beginning of a team fight to build passive or the ending phase of a fight when it’s probably back up from when they used it scouting/farming.

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Scrapheaper•

Ezreal ult isn't that valuable.

If it's a big teamfight you probably can't stand still long enough to use it without dying and even if you do I don't think it does more damage per second than just autoing and spamming your other abilities during that channel period.

The odds of you using it to snipe someone are also pretty low

So you may as well just use it for poke/waveclear/cancelling backs.

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Fiend2None•

From what I've seen a lot of pros try to use it to cancel teleports and recalls as that can be vital to pressing an advantage somewhere else on the map.

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SilverKnightOfMagic•

It cant cancel teleports but can cancel recalls

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Fiend2None•

I stand corrected then.

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Gangsir•

Technically it can cancel teleports... if it just kills them.

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IAMA_llAMA_AMA•

You see pro Caitlyns doing this as well. It's mainly about maximizing their damage output. Why sit on the ability for 5-6 minutes waiting for that small chance of finishing off a low health enemy when you can spam it for poke 5 times during that same duration?

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evinrows•

It might make more sense to greed these types of ults in solo queue since fights break out nonsensically all the time, so there's actually a decent chance that you'll miss out on a kill opportunity if you recently used it for poke.

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nek0s•

Probably manipulating sidelanes. Ez's ult is important in teamfights, but it also comes up really quickly with his kit and build.

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thetrain23•

I'm no expert, but I've been watching LCS lately and think they may be using it for vision? E.g. if one team suspects the other may be going for Baron, they'll fire an Ezreal ult towards it to see who all is there.

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Cube_•

Not that long of a cooldown. In fights Ezreal can't afford to sit and channel it. For fights where he could snipe someone at the end, odds are the fight is already won or lost and 1 long range snipe isn't going to be the game changer.

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So instead it is used for its utility:

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  1. Vision. It is a global vision sweep. Not sure if enemy team is on dragon or bushcamping on a pink? Check with R.
  2. Stealing an objective. Yoink baron, steal soul, even just nab the blue from the enemy Cass/Azir etc.
  3. Poke. Get high priority targets below max HP so they become more killable during imminent teamfights.
  4. Interrupt. Recall is a long channel, interrupting recalls can win a lot of tempo, especially when you offset enemy recalls so people are coming out of base at different times. Or for example if your Trynd is taking their base and they're trying to recall to stop him you can safely interrupt them to give Trynd more time to take objectives before they stop him.
  5. Waveclear. Address a bad sidelane wave globally, weaken the enemy wave while they attempt to siege so you can stall out longer, get some XP and gold that would otherwise be wasted into a tower etc.

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That should answer your questions.

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Jazerdet•

If ezreals ult hits a creep wave or most of the enemy team it will stack his passive pretty much full

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dancoe•

Not sure about that exact game but his ult cd can be very short, so it can be used more like a normal ability

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Swiftstrike4Diamond IV•

To wave clear and ramp up your attack speed. It's on a low enough cooldown that you can use it pretty liberally whenever it's up. Ezreal builds 40% CDR.

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OfficialBeetroot•

It's on tiny cooldown and you fight less random scraps in pro so they ult a ton just to use it otherwise it sits on cd.

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[deleted]•

Ezreal builds a lot of CDR, the CD of his Ult also goes down when he lands a Q so the overall Cooldown really just depends on how often you hit stuff with your Q.

Also, in Pro Play the Game is a little more Passive. When the Ezreal player knows that there won't be any fights going on he knows he can just use R to poke and clear Wave way Faster.

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exuber4nt•

if only AP Ezreal was viable lol. I had a friend who use it main it and was one shotting squishies every game.

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