Vic Chief Health Officer: “transmission in the school … was quite substantial”, 102 cases linked
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7news.com.auPosted Jul 8, 2020, 7:20 PM UTC
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7news.com.auDon't blame the school, blame the government that keeps on insisting that kids can't spread it and that schools should be open.
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Is it a coincidence its a school belonging to a certain culture whose opinions of the virus are obvious? They’re picking it up at home.
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Most cases in Australia have been white people. Were white people still going on cruises in March representative of all white Australians? Idiots who whinged after the Grand Prix was cancelled? Did white doctors who caught it at work mean all white Australians were neglecting the virus? These are kids forced to sit together in crowded classes. Your racism is showing.
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I’m sorry to say, some cultures are in fact DIFFERENT to ours. It’s not bad that they are different, but in situations like this it is. I live in a hot spot area with many people of eastern backgrounds, most I’ve spoken seem to have a different outlook on the situation. It is what is, we’re a multicultural country, deal with it.
Different kinds of people need different types of information/resources/education in order to understand.
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What is their outlook?
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As I've said before here, I know the person who's coordinating translating all Victorian government health messages into heaps of languages. They're working 7 days a week and getting those messages out far and wide in many languages.
American churches have been exactly the same about not closing and have become one of the main spreading sites in America. Does that mean all white people aren't taking it seriously? Or a subset of people aren't, who can't be said to be the entire cultural group. I'm just talking about generalisations, and how they only seem to apply to certain groups and not others.
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Btw where are your figures that most cases are white people? Not doubting but actually curious if that’s true
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I said “cultural” and you brought in peoples colours. I think you’re racist.
In their culture things are way different. Acknowledging that isn’t racist and calling someone who does acknowledge it racist is a little harsh.
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What are you even talking about? Do you think all Australians with Middle Eastern backgrounds didn't follow the first lockdown restrictions or something? Do you think there aren't Australians with Middle Eastern backgrounds working as doctors and nurses and paramedics right now putting their lives on the line to combat this virus?
If you think that "things are way different in their culture" about Coronavirus, you obviously have no idea about "their culture."
And yes, you sound very racist.
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Your comments are examples of cultural racism.
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Most cases in Australia have been white people.
It's hard to argue this point because 'white people' are the majority in the country. By definition more 'white people' will represent most cases.
Just so you know 'white people' are not a monolith either. I think you may harbour some underlying racism yourself.
What's that saying about glass houses and stones? I forgot it.
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White people are the majority of cases. Is it a coincidence it's a certain culture whose opinions of the virus are obvious?
See how ridiculous that sounds?
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Other person says culture and you start saying white people.
Who’s the race baiter here...
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The virus has spread overseas in communities during any flavour of religious gathering (truth be told, any gathering of people, but religious gatherings seem to be more likely to be last to be curtailed). Perhaps this is a feature of religious communities who gather regularly.
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I used to think anti vaxxers were complete loons.
I still do, but I can more easily understand how people (including myself) disregard or misinterpret certain medical advice in favour of others.
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Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc
Does this seriously work though? Thought it was debunked ages ago
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Not sure why this would come as a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. As soon as Israel eased restrictions their cases went up & at least 50% was being driven by transmission in high schools. And in Israel they made kids/teachers wear masks at school.
We never saw transmission in schools earlier in because our cases were mostly imported. Now it’s circulating in the community and...there we are.
It’s why that bogus report prepared in NSW to “prove” kids don’t transmit at schools was always silly. It was done at a time of low community transmission when most schools were shut & only looked at very few kids (btw did that ever end up getting peer reviewed?).
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If the measures taken described by the principal are a full description, they are far from adequate.
Hand sanitiser being available is insufficient. Supervised hand sanitising, but preferably handwashing, before entering a classroom and before eating, is required.
Ongoing vigilance in each classroom is required, if someone coughs or sneezes they need to wash their hands and clean any surfaces they potentially contaminated.
Secondly, did they utilise staggered starts and dismissal? Staggered breaks? Stop having assemblies or other gatherings? Minimise movement around the school? Air flow in rooms considered?
Also the additional cleaning may be far from best practise. We had a guy lazily wiping some surfaces with one cloth all day long. He should have used a new cloth each room at a minimum. Our new cleaner is way more effective and seems to carry more equipment, but there needs to be strict adherance to high standards, and accountability for these companies.
Aside from being an independent school, the guidelines given by the state are not rules per se. I work at a small school, we can manage drop off and dismissal without staggering times. There is a lot of responsibility being placed on leadership to make decisions and every teacher and parent needs to advocate for themselves and the students to maintain absolute best practise. I am personally providing paper towels to my students, as I was told when I asked for it that they could shake their hands dry, which is definitely not best practise, and not practical given how often we do it and how it already eats into learning time. Ask your kids teacher what they need.
I'm not pointing fingers, I am sure they believed their actions were adequate, no one wants the virus ripping through their school. But if we are heading back to school we cant just shrug our shoulders and say "meh what can you do?". You can do a lot more, it's a pain in the arse and it still might not be enough, but we've got to do everything we can.
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Look I work in a school and we do the best we can. Hand wash, sanitiser, social distancing etc but at the end of the day parents need to keep their sick and snotty kids at home and kids need to stop licking their fucking desks and the windows, especially if there is more than one child licking the windows, it’s gross. The only reason sickness doesn’t spread so quickly in schools (apparently) is because we are exposed to so much disgusting shit that our immune systems are amazing!
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Yes the first step is keeping sick people home!
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You literally cannot police that stuff AND teach. And not just for littlies, for young adults. I teach VCE.
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Agreed, it really hampers our ability to teach. But if they've got us there during the pandemic, the priority for the community is obviously providing childcare, so we need to prioritise safety and make that known and don't make it easy for those in charge to forget what's being asked. It won't be business as usual. Education won't be the priority.
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None of that matters. The only scientific way to reduce cases in places people mingle is mask wearing.
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Let's roll out the masks too then!
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It's not on the school. They followed the guidelines set out by the government
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You don't know that. I'd say we are trying hard at our school and there's still subpar practises, i.e. the crappy contact surface cleaning.
Again, I'm not blaming that school in particular for their unlucky outbreak. It is an example of what can happen in real schools working under recommendations rather than rules, and without oversight.
If we are sending kids back into schools we need to really lift our game, or keep them home.
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I’d be interested to see the age breakdown. I’ve been reviewing several studies of RNA carriage in children. Basically infected children do have significant viral loads, but there is still little evidence that small children spread it clinically to any great extent.
I really feel that small children (under 8? 12? Not sure) should continue at school, maybe with plexiglas at each desk a la Taiwan. There are kids now who aren’t seeing another child for 4 months this year..and the negative effects overall are terrible.
Taiwan have a graded approach with protective measures at school and targeted closures, which has prevented most transmission while allowing schooling to continue. We could learn from them.
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"quite substantial" - Vic Chief Understatement Officer
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This would be scary for parents. I think there are many issues that help the spread of the virus. For instance, Italy is known to hug and kiss people in greeting. That wouldn't help. If you have a tradition of close family gatherings and you have a large family, then logically, the virus has a greater chance of spreading. Also anywhere there is a high density of people has the potential to become a hot spot. These are just factors that help spread.
I'm not familiar with Islamic tradition, but did the principal in another article mention why the spread was so substantial? Was there a big fair or something they held on school grounds?
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There was EID celebrations, where they go to each others houses. Not saying this was def the reason, but it was put out there.
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Not terribly surprised... it seems to be pre-pubescent kids who have it easy with the disease and mostly are asymptomatic and don't shed much virus. A 17 year old has a body that is damn near adult in form and function. Just because we see a group as all being the same thing "schoolkids" doesn't mean the virus does.
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‘ScHoOlS can’t be VEcTOrS’
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Does this mean our government will finally admit maybe just maybe children can spread the virus?
But these are Muslim children.
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Its right tho
Lmao how so?
No, Morrison can’t ever admit he’s wrong. Like with the masks thing. And the Federal CHOs just seem to parrot the ideology of the government.
The virus was clearly told it wasn't permitted to spread in schools!