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Weekly Discussion: Languages of the Mortal Realms

After last week's Realmstone ride, this week we read of the many

Languages of the Mortal Realms

The languages of the Mortal Realms are as wild and varied as the Mortal Realms themselves. The tongues of the Cities of Sigmar are by and large of Azyrite origins. Primarily used for trade and barter between merchants traveling vastly different areas. Meanwhile the Duardin of the Mortal Realms speak Khazalid as well as some humans of the Ironweld Arsenal. The forces of Chaos speak variations of the Dark Tongue. All of this is to say that there are many many languages of the Mortal Realms. They are used to explain battle orders to the armies of the Mortal Realms, help merchants haggle on the price of their trinkets, and for town criers to give the latest news. There will no doubt be more languages to discuss and dissect in the future but for now let us appreciate the strange beauty of the languages of the Mortal Realms.

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Languages_of_the_Mortal_Realms

Posted Feb 15, 2021, 3:05 PM UTC

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Stralau•

I'd be interested to know a bit more about how the languages are interrelated, or how they entered the realms.

E.g. Khazalid has been preserved from the World That Was, presumably thanks to Grimnir and Grungni speaking it directly with their followers in the early days of Myth. Dwarves are likely stubborn enopugh to keep a language from changing much.

The Dark Tongue was preserved in the Realms Of Chaos, one guesses.

Where do human languages come from? What's the Lingua Franca? Are the earliest known civilizations in e.g. Azyr, with a common root, or did civilization start in a number of different places simultaneously, leading to different language groups (I'm assuming the latter). Do we know of any?

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sageking14High Castellan•

It's likely that the variations of Khazalid and the main language arose early after the first Duardin started to colonize the Realms, much like the Elves many dwarves survived the End Times and made it to the Mortal Realkms, and these languages sort of got codified and unified a bit when Grungni began teaching them, likely fracturing once again during the Age of Chaos.These Duardin likely brought their language with them. While it hasn't changed too much, there are many mentions of regional variations and even the Kharadron Sky-ports all have enough variations that they are all essentially different dialects.

It's likely that the variations arose early after the first Duardin started to colonize the Realms and these languages sort of got codified and unified a bit when Grungni began teaching them, likely fracturing once again during the Age of Chaos.

As for human language groups, you'll see one of the first languages listed in the list section is the Celestial Tongues. The Celestial Tongues or Azyri, or the Azyrite Languages or the other dozens of terms used are a collection of languages that are spoken in Azyr that have been mentioned to have a common root, a couple other languages and dialects are spin offs of these languages, or share a common root language with it. We don't know much about this root or the languages, but it's been suggested it's nothing like Riekspiel, which has been implied to be a dead language used for spells.

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Stralau•

That’s interesting, what’s the reference for Riekspiel as a dead language?

Is Azyrite best thought of as being like a kind of Latin that is spoken amongst higher ranking humans and scholars, or as a kind of lower lingua Franca? (erm, also like Latin, come to think of it, but I mean more like a Common Tongue from the Middle Earth).

On a different note, how do we imagine the realms in their earliest days? I always imagine the survivors from the world that was as few and far between*, with the realms mainly populated by “indigenous” (for want of a better word) elves, dwarves and humans, maybe created from essences of the inhabitants of the world that was, but without their memories, who were then instructed by the Pantheon. Do literal survivors with memories play a larger role than I thought?

*Its canon that some did, and that there were also fragments of the realities of the World That Was in e.g. Azyrheim, but I have never thought of this as being the fundamental character of the early realms.

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sageking14High Castellan•

The "Language of the Twelve Tribes of Mallus" listed on the Lexi link up there is heavily implied to be Riekspiel, but it's only mentioned in "Soul Wars" and used for spells.

Both. Azyrite is both the languages of scholars and a collection of Common Tongues, as far as we know from it's sporadic mentions. Bear in mind that Azyrheim in many ways is sort of modeled after Victorian England and other Imperial powers of that time. So scholars and nobles use the same language as the common folk.

As far as we know indigenous Aelves weren't a thing until the Aelven Pantheon forced them to be made, largely ignoring the Survivors of the World-That-Was that Sigmar gathered and protrected (which is most likely why even the discontinued armies like Eldritch Council still live in the Cities of Sigmar and Azyrheim, rather than in Lumineth cities). The early Realms were primordial and mythical, dominated by Godbeasts and gods and stranger entities still. Humans, Duardin, and Aelves came to the Mortal Realms sometime before what we know as the Age of Myth, in an era simply known as "Before the Ages", what they did is largely unknown, but those few details we do know suggests they were in hiding, enslaved by evil gods, or had little more than Early Stone Age era tools. These survivors of the World-That-Was did what all mortals do, they had kids, taught them, then died. Over the centuries their cultures would have drastically changed to suit the needs around them. So let's say a Brettonian knight and his estate stumbled into a Realmgate and somehow got to Ghur, they'd have to live nomadic lives to survive in a Realm where crops are hard to grow and everything is an apex predator. Eventually they'd turn to using leather, hide, teeth, and bones instead of metal. Local gods would start to be worshipped. Eventually they become something new. A more specific example is the Khul, the Aridian tribe that Korghos Khul is from, who hail from the Chaos Wastes or Norsca in the World-That-Was, but their nomadic travels into Ghur and Aqshy changed their culture significantly

Azyrheim is actually a city founded well into the history of the Mortal Realms, after Sigmar killed a bunch of gods, forged alliances, and rescued a bunch of human tribes, aelf enclaves, and duardin clans. Some of these clearly had some cultures vaguely reminiscient of their Old World ancestors as an example military orders such as the Myrmidites, Sons of Breton, and Knights of Usirian have been mentioned. But with quite a few changes the Myrmidites and Sons of Breton are both Orders of Demigryff Knights, and the Knights Usirian are caretakers of Freeguild graveyards. They are all three similar to their ancestors, but clearly generations and their environments have shaped them.

So yes. There was a time when survivors with their full memories played a major role, but it's been millenia since then and by the Age of Sigmar their knowledge is as lost to the Free Peoples as much of the knowledge of Mycanean Greece and Ancient Egypt are lost to us. But some bits of knowledge survived. Many folk know there was a world before theirs, names still exist, old gods are still worshipped by small cults, some traditions have survived, and a lot of other tidbits here and there.

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ProvokedTree•

Khazalid has undergone some changes from the world that was in the very least - in the current running "Wanderer" stories at the end of White Dwarf, in the first story from last month in particular, when the old wanderer sings his battle song the Fyreslayers do not recognise the dialect he is speaking.

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_Nullius•

I would imagine that the distribution of languages is a bit like ours on earth. English (azyrite) would be widespread by conquest and trade and would be widely spoken in cosmopolitan centers and conquered nations throughout the realms. Shyish would likely have some kind of widely used language because of nagash’s penchant for order and stasis, and aelvish and duardin languages would be widespread like French and spanish from times when their civilizations were wider spread. The lumineth would likely have a simple time mastering foreign languages but would likely have a unified scholastic tongue that would encompass the entirety of Hysh. There would likely be a common tongue of the varanspire (Varanspiel?) or archeon couldn’t organize, and educated Warriors of chaos would probably know the rudiments of it by prayer or incantation.

That said, most of the realms would be awash in countless languages, literally thousands of branches on language trees. I would say the easiest way to plant the roots of those trees is to imagine their roots corresponded to the preferred languages of the incarnates, who forged the realms and were likely the first “arrivals.”

So we would have Khazalid, High Elvish, umberogen, ancient Nehekaran, orcish/riekspiel, and eventually Dark Tongue. These languages would have fragmented into hundred of different languages by the time the Age of Sigmar dawns.

Because Azyr was the seat of the pantheon, we would expect Azyrite to be a synthesis of all of these, with words borrowed from elves, dwarves, men, and even ancient Nehekhara - in much the same way that modern English is a mish mash of different language trees.

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sageking14High Castellan•

Actually Elves, Humans, and Dwarves all had tribes and proto-civilizations set up before Sigmar came to the Mortal Realms and the other gods were awoken by his presence. So the languages of the gods were either already present, Khazalid, or taught to the people of the Realms, Teclis teaching Aelves the "aelven tongue."

Dark Tongue meanwhile was largely absent from the Realms until Tzeentch used his powers to plant it in books and teach it to scholars in secret, giving rise to some of the first Chaos cults. It is also the language most often employed by differing Slaves of Darkness cultures when they seek to communicate.

Azyr's Celestial Tongues/Azyrite Languages are, as you suggest, a massive conglomeration of languages that can be found spoken in Azyr, most Free Cities, and versions of it are used for negotiations among many races, even Kharadron and Orruks as mentioned in "Buyer Beware."

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_Nullius•

I suppose the incarnates and the realms are a sort of chicken and egg question. Lileath the has created some kind of extra dimensional refuge but only Prince Araloth and Lileath’s Daughter seem to make it through to safety.In the end times it is implied by Allarielle at the very end that the opening vortex born of the warp Artifact was the seed of a new world that the incarnates could harness. Malekith realizes this too and tries to get Tyrion and Allarielle to flee but Allarielle is wise to him and the three of them gaze into the warp rift as it consumes them. I’m fact each of the incarnates was drawn into the rift in body or in soul. In the novels Arkhan the Black seems to realize what has happened and gives his life to save Neferata with the thought that she might be able To make it to safety in these new worlds.

Obviously it’s all intentional left ambiguous but I always assumed the realms and the incarnates were essentially one and the same.

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sageking14High Castellan•

Well we know that's definitely not the case for Sigmar as he had to be brought to Azyr by Dracothion, a god that is intricately part of Azyr.

so it's more along the lines of the Incarnates being tuned to the same energies of the Realms, rather than them being manifestations of it. Though Alarielle and Nagash like to pretend their Realms are extensions of them.

For Nagash's part this is disproven by the fact he had to break Shyish twice to get it to kind of be under his control. And Alarielle clearly isn't as intuned with Ghyran as she claims, as large parts of it were taken from her.

The only two gods of the Pantheon of Order that seem to be intracately tied to their Realms are Tyrion and Malerion, and they have a hard time traveling to their counterpart's Realm. Some sources say Teclis is also like this, but that creates a plot hole in how Tyrion and Malerion communicated over the centuries.

Then there's Grimnir and Grungni who spent massive amounts of their time well beyond their own Realms.

Of course there's also Gorkamorka... but Gorkamorka has been stated to be an Elemental Deity and operate by completely different rules than those that his peers operate under.

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_Nullius•

Yeah this is definitely the classic Age of Myth narrative. I just went back and read the final chapters of the end times in the novels and the big campaign book. Sigmar and Archeon seemed to plunge into the abyss of the old world, contending at the edge of a great crevasse in the minutes before the end, and the book Ends with Sigmar clinging to the ruined core of the old world.

But when malekith tries to trick Tyrion and Allarielle into leaving before being consumed by the rift Allarielle says:

“You [malekith] would choose to remain out of a desire to claim the rift’s power.” Malekith glowered at the everqueen, but said nothing. “We can all feel it,” she went on. “With such power we could have created a New World in our own image. If only Leliath had understood, then all this might have counted for something.”

“... it is not yours to wield. Our chance was lost and our time is over.”

Then more or less the void consumes them All.

Eventually the void consumes the whole World, finishing with the Oak of Ages. In the description there is a suggestion that the final destruction of the old world may have been quick or taken centuries.

The final word on Sigmar/Emperor Karl Franz:

‘Through the storm of nothingness he fell, adrift for aeons upon unseen tides. Then came a glimmering orb, a fiery world-heart grown cold as the abyss. Desperate, the figure seized upon the sphere with a grip that could shatter mountains. He stared into the void, and from the darkness the void stared back. The figure clung tight, marshaling his faded strength. He reached forth his hand, and a miracle Took shape...”

And in the final chapter of the old world:

“Run, Neferata. Run and perhaps you may yet outrun the end. Perhaps you may survive, to flourish with those seeds of life I will help plant in the world to come. Run to Sylvania, fly back to our people, and lead them, in these final hours. Lead them into death, and into the new life the old gods of the sands once promised us.’ ‘Arkhan…’ Neferata murmured. She caught his hand, and kissed his mouldering bones, and then stepped back. ‘I will lead them.’ ‘I will buy you what time I can. It will not be much, but it will be all that I can give. Go, quickly,’ Arkhan said, turning back to face the destruction.

Neferata turned without another word and ran, Isabella cradled to her chest. Behind her, Arkhan extended his arms, as if he might bar the doom of all the world through sheer determination. Amethyst energy crackled along his bones and leaked out through the cracks in the same. His robes flapped about him as he lifted his staff high, and spat the words to every spell and incantation he knew that might hold back the tidal wave of destruction. She could almost imagine him smiling, in those last few moments as she fled Middenheim on the back of her abyssal steed. A flash of purple from behind her and the crack of splitting air told her of his fate, and she closed her eyes to weep for the only man she had ever loved.

Excerpt From Warhammer: The Lord of the End Times Josh Reynolds

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Tyrion and Malerion spoke to each other in Uhl-Ghysh, this is in I think the core book. It's a mix of both Shadow and Light so they are fine there.

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