The WG official apologies shitshtorm on CIS forums (featuring the founder and general director of Lesta Studio)

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Greetings, I would like to bring your attention to the current shitshtorm brewing in the CIS World of Warships forums

Basically they posted the same apologies intended for western audiences and people started to call WG on their bullshit It got so hot that founder and general director of Lesta Studion (Malik Khatajev) HIMSELF went to the forums to duke it out with the playerbase

Here is an example of his post:

"Of course not in vain. If it were still written humanly, it would be even more useful. We certainly will not blindly follow everyone's desires, since they are often opposite. But they made significant amendments to the plans.

The game is great. And it will be even better.

There are of course many YouTubers and people in general who think they EXACTLY know how to "ride a horse". They say Developers are stupid, but everything is obvious to them. Moreover, the better the game, the more such opinions.

Always wondered why they themselves don't make games? Cooperate, make a kickstarter or investment fund would allocate finances. Game design, PR, Marketing, and the internal dryuchilovo [hard work, in a negative connotation. Like a very tiresome hard work] of "stupid developers" would be completely in their hands.

What minds and intellect [the critics have] - what a terrible force, success is guaranteed! The main thing is to be able to switch from the mode of discussing someone else's work to the mode of one's own creative activity."

Here is the forum profile of the Malik: https://forum.worldofwarships.ru/profile/18986014-mal_h/ (a nice row of minus karma)

And here is the forum thread: https://forum.worldofwarships.ru/topic/149814-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%8B-world-of-warships-%D0%BA-%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83-%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%83/

I recommend giving it a read, google translate does the translation from RU to EN pretty accurately

p.s. I apologise for any mistakes in the formating of the post. Litterally my first post on Reddit.

Posted Sep 7, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

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StranaMechty•

Sounds like the classic "You can't critique our garbage ideas unless you've created a game of your own", ignoring the fact that some garbage ideas don't require expansive experience to recognize. A time-honored implicit admission that they can't justify their actions in a manner palatable to the public. “If you have the law, hammer the law. If you have the facts, hammer the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, hammer the table”.

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Renard4Seal•

"You can't say the food tastes like shit unless you're a chef". WG's management never ceases to amaze me.

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Tsukiumi-ChanThe reason they won't sell you a Fujin•

When smart companies develop products, they involve EVERYONE. When John Deere makes a new tractor, they don't run up to a farmer and say "You've never built a tractor, so beat it!" They listen to the farmers, the mechanics, the dealers- EVERYONE. If Wargaming is in a situation where the implementation of something comes down to money vs the playerbase, it's just a crap idea. Go back to the drawing board and come up with something that makes you money AND pleases the playerbase

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VRichardsenRegia Marina•

Off topic, but my family owns a John Deere, and works like charm even though it has been running for over 40 years. They are very solid machines.

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Tsukiumi-ChanThe reason they won't sell you a Fujin•

Back then, things were built to last. My father and I run a straw baking business. We love the classics- they’re easy to work on, simple to run, and always ready to work. I bought two tractors this year for our growing business: A 1964 Case 830 and a 1949 Allis Chalmers WD. Even though it’s 72 years old, you can walk up to it any day and start it within five seconds. Sure, it’s a bit crude and unrefined, but who cares? We bought it to run a hay rake, and it does it nicely! I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that tractor ends up making 100 years of service. I have no plans to upgrade it

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thegamefilmguruman•

From what I've heard, the electronic dodads in the new ones can be a bit persnickety, and only the one Deere repair man for the area (which can be absolutely massive) is allowed to fix it. I think they used to be solid machines, but the new ones may have lost a bit of the quality.

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jddoyleVT•

Random fact - your key will work in all similar models from that year (maybe more).

But, yes, they are very well built

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RalfundmalfBoosted unicum•

Does John Deere listen to the customers though? I was under the impression that their questionable spare parts and repair policy was a major subject in the whole 'right to repair' debate in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

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Tsukiumi-ChanThe reason they won't sell you a Fujin•

I’m not a fan of Deere, but I think they get a worse reputation than they deserve here. A lot of the difficult to work on things on the neighbors newer ones have been emissions things. They own an 8260R and a 7230R, both about ten years old. The local independent mechanic can fix them up for the most part with just basic tools. It’s when you have electrical problems that things can get really bad. That said, I still don’t want a newer tractor- just because there is more stuff to go wrong

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Super_Sailor_MoonYokosuka•

Sounds like the classic "You can't critique our garbage ideas unless you've created a game of your own"

That's basically the mentality of those shitty game developers like Digital Homicide, honestly. I expect FAR BETTER from a globally recognized brand that Wargambling is.

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StranaMechty•

Why? They've been enormously successful financially without ever needing to evolve beyond it. This is their standard PR playbook, has been since 2011.

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SierraTango501•

Meh, clearly what they're doing right now is raking them money in, why change? They don't need to give a shit about "morality" or "expectations" as long as the green keep flowing, and it is flowing.

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kibufox•

I don't think he's saying "you can't critique us.." but rather "If you hate us so bad, if you think we did this wrong, what's stopping you from going out and doing it yourself?"

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readforit•

fuck those fucks. I hope they lose money and go out of business as soon as possible

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Usernamenotta•

I think he means more like: 'We made those crappt decisions for a reason. If you were a game developer you would understand why we made them'

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j0k0b3t•

Cool proverb, I'm adopting that one for my own use, thanks.

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ImaNukeYourFace[KILL] NA•

WG has grown fat, complacent, and prideful

Their game was so good at the beginning, and they actually used to IMPROVE that good game by making good changes to it as well (introducing radar and hydro to provide counterplay to DDs, removing open water stealth fire because it was a bad mechanic, introducing smoke fire penalty)

They’ve deluded themselves into thinking that the playerbase only complains in order to be “right.” On the contrary, I would love to participate in making subs and CVs fun and balanced, and so would SO MANY OTHERS! There’s a good chance I would have bought the Missouri if it wasn’t locked behind lootbox bullshit!

For fucks sake WG, stop letting your ego get in the way of making a good game and community. It’s probably too late now though

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simcoder•

It's gotten worse but it's always been bad. OWS was a bad idea from the start. DDs with no counterplay was also kind of creating a problem that they could then sell more stuff to fix that problem.

That's been there MO all along. Create a problem that you fix with gimmicks and premiums and churn.

I think the thing that we are seeing now is complacency under the assumption that their addicts aren't ever going to leave and plenty more to replace the few that do.

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ropibear•

What do you mean OWSF was a bad mechanic?

It was a GREAT mechanic! I demand it be added back so I can abuse it again! And of course, I demand it be only allowed for me to use, because playing against it is shit.

:D

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DarkKnight88888•

I'm always thinking, the higher management's wants cv and subs to be introduced, but the worker still can't find the proper attack mechanism for the classes, time had been invested and u-turn would mean they screwed up. Hence the reluctant to admit mistakes.

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DoerteEU🥔🥔Protato🥔🥔 - "Player-Rework" soon•

Radar and Hydro were in my mind, the last truly creative and fun "addition" to the game that fit naturally. Best WoWS I ever played.

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kuwanger112•

TIL: You can't say a movie is shit unless you're a director.

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Manic_Wombat•

And by extension, you can't criticise an omelette unless you can lay an egg?? They really are arrogant aren't they.

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HDimensionBlissLocal Haida Fanboy•

How about Malik reads the Kama Sutra to find every position he can go fuck himself in.

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herman_fox•

Well, you can't tell him to go fuck himself unless YOU fuck yourself, so yay, happy-you time I guess?

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Mushy_Sculpture•

u/HDimensionBliss should probably film the act of fucking himself with every position in the Kama Sutra, then send it to Malik, so Malik can FINALLY FUCK HIMSELF THAT PIECE OF SHIT

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No_Duck245•

I hadn’t laughed this loud in a while, thanks man!

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[deleted]•

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This guy? The last time he opened his mouth was during the PR disaster. Back then he mentioned handicaped people who play this game and the devs just wanted to make 'em happy by adding "the-grind-for-all-holidays-they-always-wanted" kinda thing.Also in the same tread on forum he said that "tier X ships will never be available for players easily", obviously excusing those hilariously impossible directives. But if I remember it correctly, we had the Yamato in premium shop for real money, hadn't we?

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DarkKnight88888•

/s

Well, it wasn't easy to obtain the arp yamato, it costs me half of my paycheck

/s /s

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SuwinTzi•

Might want survival tips from WSB 😏

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Platanium•

He said they made the grind to give handicapped people purpose

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Nhein9101•

This wont blow up in their face at all, no chance..

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nasheedonaiOP•

The last time Mr. Khatajev went to the forums like that was in 2017, I was told. They tried to keep him locked, but he got away.

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Son_Of_The_EmpireKingpin61•

I believe it was 2018, aka the "puerto rico is designed for NEETs with nothing else to do during the holidays" debacle

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n0rin1•

Did he just wrote in his original post that:

all the gambling and lootboxes are made with all the law and regulations there? LOL does that inclued the makarov fiasco and why the chances are so hidden etc :D ahahaha. Probably also all the EU's financial investigations are also imagination...

Wow also the nerve that he says in 10.10 there will be changes to ZAO, Petro and FDR. Like how many years you need to notice broken ship (in both ways), and he dares to say that ppl calling devs dumb are wrong and dont have right to do it.

Not even gonna comment on the fact he wrote that after how many years of rework they didnt find anything to help fix CV's LOL!? Like its so easy to either reduce spotting, or give delay on plane starts just like you load guns/torps, or make plane loses on attack runs not auto reffiled till you brake off or make the attack (so that AA has a meaning and can rude the dmg from a strike (but wont stop you from 2nd strike if you want to return). Holy shit !.

Ofc he didnt comment on the russian CC fiasco who got insulted in WG code and thrown out from his program for exposing that the WG employes dont even play this game and all of them yearly do low few hundred games or the CC's fiasco. Just typical "mistakes" in communication ahahahaahah

There is no point in reading his later comments after such an opening.

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One more thing... All companies that make cars ask their drivers what to do to adjust the car, Plane makers do the same with test pilots, even companies that make serious Esport games do it also and most other companies. Why you may ask? (ofc "he" wont as he lacks the basic insight), as the ones that USE THE PRODUCT (specially the most skilled part of the users - aka top players) know how to abuse the mechanics and features for their benefit and can help design way more thought out solutions that will work for wider base of players. These companies are not dumb enough to write, that their driver has no clue about driving a car because he is not an engineer and didnt made it (ofc not gonna forget that he would have to clone him self to fit all the role to make that car).

Point is - devs that play few games a year dont have a clue how to design anything for this game, as then dont know how it will affect the player base and how they will be able to exploit it - EASY AS FU**.

Seriously do WG not learn from the best but from the worst and dumbest?

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nasheedonaiOP•

The apology post itself not nessesearlly was written by him. I just wanted to bring attention how he is actually like when talking with the playerbase directly.

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Mr_Makarow•

and i sincerely thank you for that info. because the russian forums tend to be the only ones with an impact on WG. if the shitstorm gets big enough, something might actually happen.

WG does not give a shit about us plebs from EU or NA.

so we rely on the russian pitchfork-wielding-and-torch-swinging-crowd :)

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Kmoxy•

I find it odd and, at the same time, not odd that we see the true face of Wargambling when their own people start to criticize them on the forums. On one hand with westerners they put on this very nonchalant and business debonair-like face when addressing them to appear apathetic to the outsider. On the other hand if they piss off the Russian players who voice their disapproval it seems to provoke Wargambling into responding by gnashing their teeth and saying how they really feel.

Just like you I feel like Russian players are the only ones who can get a real response from Wargambling without having to pull one tooth.

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I_sh0uld_g0•

Not really, no. The only reason they ever put their "apology" forward was because of the CC mass exodus. And frankly, since Russian community doesn't have any place to voice our discontent in a way that can be seen by a lot of people, because there is no big and non-wg controlled forum where we can criticize them. On their social networks and official forum they always delete whatever they don't like, and what really made me laugh was their statements in that very "apology" thread that they never delete valid criticism, which is a blatant lie. If they could, they would've removed most of the comments there too, they just don't dare to.

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Mr_Makarow•

most of the lesta-staff (devs, upper management) only frequent the cis forums, mostly because of the language barrier, they stated that in multiple livestreams.

thats why i put my (only) hopes in you guys over there in the cis forums, i dont think you can affect them much, but atleast they can read your feedback and *might* think about it.

thats something the EU/NA-crowd cannot hope to achieve, at all.

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n0rin1•

No i was talking about the OP post from russian server, not you :), you did great job introducing how delusional and stupid is the lead of WG.

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communication_gapRoyal Navy•

Do they say what they are changing on Zao, FDR and Petro? the way these dev's balance things I would not be surprised if they make the smallest most pointless change they can such as buffing/nerfing the AA mounts health pool.

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Tsukiumi-ChanThe reason they won't sell you a Fujin•

Knowing Weegee:

Zao: Added +100HP

FDR: Made the ship's flagpole taller

Petropavlovsk: Moved the lifeboats to a different position

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Elia_Arram•

you forgot the AA nerf on Petro

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DiligentTailor5831•

Ahh yes, - 2% survivability on AA mounts probably?

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n0rin1•

No he didnt wrote it, but...

tbh i bet my left hand (im left handed) that zao will get like 100m range and maybe 1k hp (even when its the only cruiser with not HP coefficient of a cruiser),

and Petro will maybe get like 100m CE nerf or -1% to aa moutns durrability :D

FDT probably will have planes slower by 1kts or so.

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type_EI’M FREE FROM THIS DUMP HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA•

zao buff

Mfw i started wows in a time when zao was considered the op monster stealth cruiser

my disappointment with zao grows

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Tarcye•

It's painfully clear at this point that the upper management at Lesta need's to all be fired. Nothing will ever change until that happens.

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NNN_Throwaway2•

Kind of hard to do when the founder and director is the root of the problem.

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Tarcye•

Yep. That's why nothing will ever fundamentally change.

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nasheedonaiOP•
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LAZERSHOTXD•

Holy shit eu forum mods and dev are self restrainted ru forums mods and dev actually dont even respect you at all

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Mr_Makarow•

you should always be polite in the PR-business, thats true, but respect needs to be earned.

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BlydPoI? pOi!•

or you need a red jacket and some gnarly tats.

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Mr_Makarow•

XD

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LAZERSHOTXD•

Thats true but most companies just put a fake smile and be polite

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JankosiIf you give Ivan any money, you are the potato•

Weegee never changes

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Mysel_euJutland•

You are wrong. WarGambling changed a lot since the time I have started to play WoT when it left OpenBeta. They are MUCH WORSE now! They will be worse and worse for sure.

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Tarcye•

Yeah. Alpha Test to Open Beta Test was the best time. As soon as they went all in on the loot boxes the game had gone on a downward spiral.

Honestly a part of me would love to see the US and the EU outlaw all loot boxes(or require any game that has either to be rated Adults Only or the PEGA equivalent) Just to see WG shit themselves at that point.

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Tsukiumi-ChanThe reason they won't sell you a Fujin•

You're nicer than I am.

I want to see the heads of Wargaming bankrupt, on the run, and shivering cold under a bridge. And then one of us meets him. And we give him a chance to have warmth. It’s a 1 in 72 chance, only done after a massive mission chain. He's hungry too, so we'll offer him food, because we're nice. We’ll call them “Food crates”. They can be purchased for Life Tokens (a new resource I made up), and they have a chance of dropping food or one of 168 other cool prizes!

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Tarcye•

Have him roll a D20. if it's 2 or above he gets nothing :P

We can call it a "Surprise mechanics". and say: (and I fucking quote here)

"As a person I always follow laws and new regulations as they appear"

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type_EI’M FREE FROM THIS DUMP HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA•

Nah I remember my comment and if I truly were in that scenario and had no sense of self preservation holding me back I’d like to try making said comment literal (ie literally put wg under).

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juanxlink•

I can attest to that too.

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EmptyCaloriesHenryD0g•

Playerbase: Your lootboxes are immoral and unethical and you have taken everything that cannot be monetized out of the game in favor of more ways to squeeze money from your customers.

WG: Our lootboxes are totally legal, now look at the shiny!

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issm•

They're so legal we need a year to fix stuff up before we can publicize the odds!

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...and our excuse is that we need to make sure we are compliant in China...

...a market that we actually don't sell loot crates in currently because the rules already require us to disclose drop rates...

So, like several other items in that apology letter...this excuse is ANOTHER easily discernible lie.

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Tarcye•

I finally got around to watching flamu's video about the Wargambeleing apology last night after all this came out. and that was my exact takeaway. If they need a year to publish the drop rates something very illegal is going on.

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seedless0Clanless Rōnin•

Pride is a hell of a drug.

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Mr_Makarow•

it also can make you fall. atleast that is what i read somewhere :)

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NNN_Throwaway2•

Well, that confirms why Wargaming doesn't and never will value community feedback. It has been obvious for a long time that the company position is that they know better than anyone else how the game should be developed, and now we see it spelled out in black and white.

We also see the arrogant and belittling attitude Wargaming is known for, here on full display. The rot really does go through the whole tree.

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iChaseGaminghttps://www.youtube.com/user/ichasegaming•

Yup, as expected from the "we designed the PR for disabled people, why don't the rest of you just pull out your credit cards and pay for it, just like I've done" guy. The literal ROT with World of Warships management goes all the way to the fucking top. Meanwhile, they throw people like Gnei under the bus

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Drake_the_trollkamchatka is my spirit animal•

I just threw up. How disillusioned is this guy? While I understand what he's saying, everything about it is so hostile I want to punch him. He's saying that we don't know what we're talking about and to leave it to the "experts"? The same ones that gave us release MVR, venezia and thunderer? Fuck this, I'm getting pushed to the breaking point.

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Manic_Wombat•

He not disillusioned, he's Russian and very intolerant of dissent

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Drake_the_trollkamchatka is my spirit animal•

So he's russian and he's russian. Got it.

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Manic_Wombat•

Double Russian

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amiathrowaway2•

But not a White Russian..... Of which I'm drinking right now. The Dude abides.

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Bazen_•

Malik Khatajev is as Russian as Mohammed Abdallah is British.

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Omnom3709•

Delusional*

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Drake_the_trollkamchatka is my spirit animal•

Thats the one. Im really starting to hate spellcheck

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[deleted]•

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BlydPoI? pOi!•

Making jokes about one of the most negatively criticized additions,

Whoa whoa whoa, CV's are still fucked, subs may be equally as fucked but have you met anyone that like NEW CV's either on the driving or receiving end?

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Mardanis•

Fighting with their playerbase is not going to move things positively forward and the thing is, some one will do exactly what they suggest.

Might be a new company might be one of the giants, see a gap in the market that is barely filled and it wouldn't take a lot to steal the playerbase. Just by not being rude to them for a start. It won't even have to be as a good of a game as long as it roughly resembles wows and the publishers give the players a warm welcome.

If EA smell money and micro transactions, the tissues won't even be dry before they have some developer pumping out a carbon copy.

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herman_fox•

It is not and never has been about "moving things forward." It is and alwas has been about money. If WG can make money while acting like dicks and even though they act like dicks or DESPITE acting like dicks they will. End of story.

If they start losing money and manage to figure out that they are losing it because they act like dicks, they will change their behaviour, at least superficially.

A thousand posts on their forums or on reddit is not going to matter.

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Kyeld•

People just need to move on. The devs have a staunchly different vision of the game and its direction and show no indiciations of any change. It's pretty much an abusive relationship at this point.

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macgruff the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser' :cr:•

No, we don’t have to move on. We’re pissed off that because of poor management and slimy greed they have chosen to double down. Chosen to fuck over the player base on purpose. No one will EVER change until they see there is a problem. No one will ever know if there is a problem if everyone just lines up for a circle jerk session every time they fuck with us.

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Kyeld•

What do you think I mean when I say move on? Stop playing the game if you don't like the way it's being developed. Its a game, not a social service you depend on.

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Why just stop playing the game?

Why not ALSO tell EVERYONE you know about how terrible the game and it's owners are?

Why not get the game rated PEGI18 or M so that it can't be meaningfully advertised on major social media platforms?

Why not get governments involved on the illegal sales practices?

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herman_fox•

By all means: go ahead.

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macgruff the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser' :cr:•

Well to be fair, the “game” is not horrible, the “company” is horrible. If you choose to just stick with F2P the game is fine enough (arguments about CVs, Subs, bending torps bug, aside).

But I wholeheartedly agree with you on ratings and regulators etc. if we don’t keep pressure on, we know the whales won’t… most don’t see any “problems” because they don’t pay attention to problems, they just logon and play, never going to forums, Reddit, etc

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macgruff the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser' :cr:•

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” *sorry if it seemed I pounced on you personally, that was not my intent

I already have/had stopped when it was clear they were pushing forward with the commander rework… I played a handful of games since what… January was it? when cmdr rework was released? That was right on the heels of the Makarov Affair. I was streaming so I couldn’t just walk away, but I made it clear I was slowing to stopping. I think June was my last game played.

But, I frickin love this game, so I will continue to be vocal… “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

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type_EI’M FREE FROM THIS DUMP HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA•

good men to do nothing

So use evil for whatever it is the “good men” want even if they’d balk at it for still being evil…?

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Logician22•

This head of lesta studios is a joke to be making statements like these in the middle of a tense situation with world of warships.

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macgruff the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser' :cr:•

Hi, I see there is a fire ongoing, let me pour gas over myself and run into the middle of it, LOL

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CruleD•

It burns out faster.

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macgruff the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser' :cr:•

Well I’m sure Malik hopes so, hahaha

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DarkStone95Imperial Japanese Navy•

The Mark 14 torpedoes are shit? Why don't these sailor form a armanent factory to build better ones? - Weegee's ancestor probably.

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tsunderestimate•

They did actually. If you watch Drachnifel, he mentioned that the sub crews did a temporary fix by tuning the depth setting to almost nothing to make the torpedoes actually not go lower and lower. The BuoOrd responded by suggesting those sailors be court martialed by "messing with government property".

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DarkStone95Imperial Japanese Navy•

Here in the game we saw those temp fix, the 899 division, or the competitive scene trying to keep CV away from the competitions

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