Lib Dems claim voters have 'moved on from Brexit' after North Shropshire win - Politics.co.uk
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“I went five times to North Shropshire, I had 10 days’ canvassing, and people were really clear, it was the health service, it was the rising cost of living. These are people who’ve played by the rules, who used to vote Conservative.”
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Let's have a golf clap for people finally 'really clear' of the consequences of voting for the Face Eating Leopards.
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That's some stellar anecdotal evidence.
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I mean voters had a choice between a local candidate that cares or a candidate that literally admitted he wants to see the NHS privatised. It's simple really.
I hope Boris stays until 2024, finally I can wake up to a Labour led government 😘
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Imagine though waking up to see
LAB +80 CON -110
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I have tried that before but it's pretty unrewarding. You get the exit poll and Sunderland pretty quickly. Then a whole load of nothing until 5am. You may as well sleep and get up early.
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If anything going by this the Lib Dems will split the vote
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You're going to be disappointed
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Biggest Tory defeat since 1992 is very hard to come back from.
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The Copeland by-election is an example of why they can be difficult to read into - going by that result one would expect Labour to be fucked going into 2017 but then they did much better than 2015. And the by-election Hartlepool earlier this year also portended poorly for Labour but less than a year later they lead the polls nationally.
The 2016 Richmond Park by-election also works as an example of how fickle individual seats are - the Lib Dems did very well in 2016 then lost it in 2017, then the Conservatives lost the seat again in 2019 despite doing really well nationally.
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To be fair, the Copeland by-election happened right before one of the best political campaigns of our lifetime from a largely unknown quantity. Boris is spent and everybody has made their minds up about him, it would take another COVID-sized (but not public health as he has drained all of his credibility there) crisis to save him now. I do agree with your general point though, predictions are extremely difficult as major events can happen at any time.
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TBF, Copeland's economy runs on the nuclear sector. Corbyn as a greenwashing moron when it comes to that subject.
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It is precisely this sort arrogance in the face of public displeasure that is going to lead to a Tory annihilation when the election comes.
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No thank you, Labour would have us all locked in our homes for the foreseeable future.
I welcome a Lib Dem led government.
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Labour will get eradicated if Starmer stays in. The loyal supporter of Boris. I for one cannot wait. Lib Dems have been a far better opposition than Labour ever have.
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Don't think people.have brain decay dude. Remember 2010 coalition. Lib Dems got annihilated. I can't vote Lib Dem because of that personally.
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So who would you vote for then?
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Labour. My seat is CON af anyway
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I genuinely love British voters famous disloyalty. We don't care about what you did for us in the past, we care about what you're doing now.
If Churchill could lose an election before WW2 had even ended, there's no way Boris is going to get a Brexit bounce next election
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Labour had been in government during the war, so it was a bit different in that case.
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It was a national coalition, Atlee led it at home but it definitely wasn't a "Labour government".
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Oh of course, I just said that Labour were 'in government'. The point is that it's a bit difficult to argue that the '45 Labour landslide was a great act of voter disloyalty towards Churchill and the Conservatives given that Labour had also been part of the government that won the War.
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I'm sure it was unintentional, but that was very misleading as "in government" usually means "in power" in this country
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I genuinely love British voters famous disloyalty. We don't care about what you did for us in the past, we care about what you're doing now.
To be fair, why should I vote for someone based on what they've done in the past, except to judge them on performance?
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The only thing propping the Tories up since brexit happened has been that Coronavirus has dominated the news cycle and the main alternative to them can’t get a good clear message out. Tory voters are flaky right now if you actually speak to them.
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I bet Boris wishes he could get brexit done again.
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If course we've moved on from Brexit! It's happened! We're out of the EU. and unlikely to rejoin.
A brave party might push for EEA membership but this is not anyone's biggest concern. Right now, lies and corruption are what people care about.
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Unfortunately, Brexit has not moved on from them. It's still there, to a large extent unsolved, creating red tape and economic damage. And it will not be solved as long as Johnson and Frost are handling it. Neither will article 16 be triggered, despite the lame threats about that. On the plus side, Corona-related economic damage has largely hidden the damage caused by Brexit.
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Brexit is done and over.
Both sides were wrong, it was not the Apocalypse nor the glorious return of Empire.
One has more control over borders and everything is more expensive. That is about it.
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“I keep telling people to move on. Some do. But not us.”
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Bullshit. Most brexiters I know are very anti-lockdown, Johnson was mediocre on brexit but he's completely tyrannical on our civil liberties. That's why they were punished.
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The point we can all draw then is that you and your Brexity echo chamber are NOT AT ALL representative of places like North Shropshire.
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Let's see how long the lib dems can hold it for then 👌
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Big words about the biggest Tory defeat since 1992
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Tyrannical on our civil liberties 😂 get a fucking grip you spoiled child. Wear your mask to stop spreading it, get your vaccines so you don’t get long Covid and stop pretending you know more that the scientists
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Anyone rich not wearing masks is ok though I guess.
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Tyrannical on our civil liberties 😂 get a fucking grip you spoiled child. Wear your mask to stop spreading it, get your vaccines so you don’t get long Covid and stop pretending you know more that the scientists
The lack of critical thinking you've just displayed is the root cause of every genocidal dictator in history.
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The irony in your statement is so thick I could plaster with it. Masks reduce the water particles that carry the virus reaching people and surfaces. Not wearing one is a symbol that you don’t care about anyone but yourself. Being properly vaccinated reduces your chance of serious illness and also the chances of you passing it onto others who may not be so lucky. And Spoiled? Well y97 are claiming that you are being subjected to tyranny as if being asked to be a little considerate equates to what Muslims in China, Burma or Afghanistan suffer under real tyranny.
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Who in the fuck is saying I'm against wearing masks or getting a vaccine? Stop this strawman immediately. You have just proven that not only you don't think critically, a trait that gave rise to every genocidal dictator in history but you aren't even following along a basic line of logic. This is why people such as you give rise to such tyrannical dictators, you don't think critically, and when you try you are way off.
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Get fucking grip you spoiled child and stop telling other people what to do.
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"get a vaccine as it's obviously massively beneficial"
"stop telling me what to do!"
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Why? You are obviously incapable of making rational decisions yourself.
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Stop telling people what to say
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Brexiters hate most civil liberties. One of the key parts of brexit was always taking away our right to free movement and removing us from the European courts that protects us from all sorts of things.
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Polling has showed that a supermajority of the electorate want restrictions. Like in the order of 80% of voters.
Sorry to burst your little bubble but the lairy anti-lockdown lot are a drop in the bucket. You did nothing for this result.
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Hmm, who do we believe? A political party that has spoken to thousands of people in the constituency, or a bloke on reddit? Tough one.
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It's really useful to have perspectives like this that aren't represented well on reddit. Thanks.
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It's hard work. I've received over a dozen 7 day bans (mostly from corrupt moderators) but I do it because you don't get through to people being in your own echo chamber, you get through to people by going into the most brutal echo chambers and slapping them around the face with how ridiculously absurd their circle jerking has become.
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Christ, this might be the most egotistical thing I've ever read on reddit.
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This is a major problem for the Conservatives
The only thing holding the traditional Tory and Red Wall voter base together was 'getting Brexit done' and now that most people seem to think Brexit is done more traditional concerns have come to fore and the Tories can't appease both sets of voters. If anything they're pissing off both sides by attempting to.
Furthermore the Conservative parliamentary party is packed full of inexperienced and/or incompetent pro-Brexit MP's who aren't going to support a moderate and competent leadership candidate since invariably neither of those characteristics align with being a Brexit supporting MP.
Their problem is bigger than that IMO.
Not only Brexit is no longer the main “concern”, but the EU scapegoat is effectively gone.
The Tories might still try to convince people that NHS, low-wage, cost of living, poverty, immigration, education, crime and corruption problems are the EU’s fault, but it won’t stick.
just to pop my head in as a Brexit voter.
that is one of (albeit small) reasons i voted Brexit. and its why i don't fully support devolution, even though i support small local government.
passing the buck is tiring. and everyone is doing from Westminster to holywood.
Personally I don't think a small local government would work, especially now with Covid19 and Brexit. We desperately need a strong centralised government which can rule effectively. Also as someone who works within the realms of financial services it simply would not be effective at safeguarding or regulations in modern times. Unfortunately the time where it was possible was pre Iraq war and credit crunch
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normally i would engage in a civil discussion.
but given your loaded comment, i wont bother.
have a nice day.
You're just a dickhead that thinks they're super intelligent because you have a different political opinion to others.
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The traditional Tory voter did not support Brexit or at least wasn't hugely enthusiastic about it and didn't make it a priority - what bound them together was stopping you-know-who.
...you know, you can say his name, he's not beetlejuice, I'll do it first, hopefully it'll give you the courage to say it too.
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The danger is the Red Wall and trad Tory move Right.
Which is bad for the Tories in that they might split their vote, bad for the country as they might get elected.
It seems voters are more concerned about real local issues rather than the culture wars being pushed by the government desperate to find a replacement for 'get Brexit done'.
I still think this is underestimating the importance of culture in politics. Being naive or blind to the importance of culture has been a failure in parties opposed to the Tories.
Voters act on multiple drives and culture is an important one.
The government is squandering its power with corruption, greed and incompetence. This does not mean the voters have endorsed libdem politics.
Nobody serious is saying this is about the lib dems (any more than it's about Labour).
I think there's a hierarchy of needs thing going on here. "Culture" is important but it's something of a luxury issue that comes to the fore when there's less existential threats around. It's amazing how quickly it all goes out of the window when there's a pandemic which exposes our creaking health service, inflation on the increase and a ruling party seen as looting the state and hypocritically ignoring the rules during a national crisis.
At times like this, people just crave dull steady competence and a bit of stability and I don't think they care whether that comes from the Lib Dems or the more centrist end of the Labour Party.
I think there's also a strong sense of disgust at the contempt career politicians appear to show voters. A lot of the analysis of what happened in North Shropshire is (perhaps unsurprisingly) cliche riddled drivel from people who can barely find the area on the map so we're treated to multiple takes on "they hate Boris but it'll go blye again in two years".
What people also seem to be missing is that the Labour candidate (who, despite being a local, already has the air of Westminster around him and was caught lying about Labour's internal polling) left people every bit as cold as the Tory candidate parachuted in from Birmingham and seemingly working on the basis he was entitled to win just because.
I think Morgan connected with the electorate because she's clearly made a life in the area and people felt this was a candidate that would take them and their concerns seriously. It's a format both Labour and Lib Dems would do well to replicate elsewhere (starting with neighbouring Shrewsbury constituency where the sitting Tory MP is now being investigated by the standards Committee? Will we see the Lib Dems reciprocate and stand aside if Britain's tallest - and stupidest - MP is recalled?)
Based on what?
If I think about traditionally conservative values and then based on those l, think about what a leader for people with that worldview would look like, it's a very very different image to Boris Johnson.
Aye these populist Cons can't operate without some big faceless enemy to pin everything on. Most likely they will swap in a new leader and then get their media pals to go all out 'anti-woke' to see what mud sticks
The Brexit issue is a moot point these days, it’s done, it’s over, no reason to vote for Conservatives to leave the EU when we’ve already left.
I think one of the main issue’s red wall voters are upset with is the social care bill failing to stop people selling their house despite promises it would (The ‘dementia tax’ caused Theresa May to lose her majority) followed by COVID-19 restrictions.
Brexit was just a compound issue of immigration and all its accompanying cultural issues.