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What paths do you think create the most interesting 21st century?

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I know we all have our own headcannons and predictions so what do you think is potentially the most interesting path for the entire world to take that sets up the globe for a politically tense and dynamic 21st century?

Personally, I've always seen Speer's victory over the GO4 as the more interesting setup for the next century that cements Germanys place in the world and alters Nazism into a terrifyingly efficient monster. How the U.S. and Japan react to this new foe would be an entertaining look into an alternate 21st century.

What do you think?

Posted Jan 6, 2022, 7:02 AM UTC

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Good_Tension5035•

  • RFK/Thurmond/Glenn/Jackson USA, that would be the NPPs bizzarre adventure with a little bit of SCIENCE! sprinkled in.

  • Sablinite Russia reclaiming Moscow, but not Ukraine or Belarus and becoming the heart of a new Internationale, engaging in idealistic hawkishness whenever possible.

  • GO4 Germany which is then countercouped by the dengist™️ after they lose Moskowien, it's Speerite/Idiosyncratic Nazism with more paranoia.

  • stalemate between the Republic of India and communist, Sablin-supported Azad Hind.

  • Long Yun victory, China becomes the main emerging power.

  • The chad Hirohito coup in Japan.

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JetAbyss•

and communist, Sablin-supported Azad Hind.

Granted, India lore right now is kinda outdated, but the Republic of India can also become communist or socialist too via elections just as much as the Azad Hind. Which is sorta why the conflict between the two is rather strange... It's not even really ideological per say, Azad Hind just likes Japan while Republic of India sorta-kinda-prefers the USA or otherwise 'itself' I guess? It's kinda weird but I think Sablin would be support of the ROI if the CPI took power there as well.

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indomienatorIm Soeharto and i love money•

Hirohito coup?

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TheOneTrueSasquatch•

One of the possible endings now for the dai li conspiracy

Either the government asks the military to help and now there’s another military coup like at the start of japans involvement in ww2

Or the government doesn’t and ends up collapsing, allowing the emperors court to step up and take the reigns of government themselves

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indomienatorIm Soeharto and i love money•

Thats the court man. Hirohito is still as powerful as befire

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TheOneTrueSasquatch•

Eh, yeah, the court

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BlueSoulOfIntegrityThe Only Good Nazi Is A Dead Nazi.•

Question: Were negotiations for Moskowien tried with Sablin as I would theorise he would be one of the more reasonable unifier that the Go4 can negotiate with for Moskowien?

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Good_Tension5035•

Definetly not. Also, what makes you think Sablin is the "reasonable" unifier? He's a naive idealist, that's like the opposite of "reasonable".

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BlueSoulOfIntegrityThe Only Good Nazi Is A Dead Nazi.•

Well he’s not war mongering nor seems to want to sacrifice innocent Russians lives in a costly war when negotiations would be on the table. It’s quite likely that there would attempted diplomatic efforts on both sides of the table to settle this dispute without the spilling of blood.

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Good_Tension5035•

I do not think real governments function with humanitarianism as their primary objective to be honest.

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HirmenProphet of TT•

Ultravisionary Russia under Kardashev vs Post-Glenn USA.

To make it more specific, Germany whould be dead in that scenario, and Japan losses GAW

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StoovenMcStoovensonOfficial Kardashev Simp•

Cant wait for the inevitable race between Glenn and Kardashev to build a space station the size of a small city

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uth50•

I just don't see Russia a long-term rival for the US. They aren't a global rival in real life, how could they keep up after losing WW2?

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ComradeJarroz•

Eh, irl the USSR was the main rival of the cold war and it's possible had the USSR not collapsed it might still be, especially with the TNOtl ultravisionary developments.

Regardless I think China's rapid modernisation and efficiency would put it in a very similar position to today as a rising power and in tno probably even more likely to develop into and imperialist power and threaten US international interests.

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uth50•

Eh, irl the USSR was the main rival of the cold war and it's possible had the USSR not collapsed it might still be, especially with the TNOtl ultravisionary developments.

The Soviet Union, yes. But not Russia alone. The Soviet Union had a higher population than the USA and easy acces to the Middle East and almost the entirety of Eastern Europe in their sphere. But that was the Soviet Union. And even all of that wasn't able to stand up to the USA.

A far more dimished Russia, after the enormous loss of life and economy that happens in TNO? I just don't see it. Sure, Russia could always be an important regional player. A fierce opponent or even a valuable partner, but never a superpower. They are too weak and lack opportunity to project power globally.

They have all the disadvantages of reality, but worse. They might end up with a better and more beneficial government, but their starting position is worse throughout.

Regardless I think China's rapid modernisation and efficiency would put it in a very similar position to today as a rising power and in tno probably even more likely to develop into and imperialist power and threaten US international interests.

That's bound to happen. At the same time, it doesn't necessarily have to be so adversarial. The US and the UK mostly got along despite one of them usurping the other's position as superpower.

With a somewhat democratic and certainly not communist China, there isn't much ground for ideological struggle. And unlike irl, China isn't boxed in by US allies. After defeating Japan, China can dominate Korea and Taiwan and most of South East Asia as much as it wants. Sure, there'll be conflict, but I doubt it's going to be worse than what we see in reality.

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HirmenProphet of TT•

Also Pacifica herself said that UV are one of few Russian unifers that will be able to became superpowers. Due to them straight up integrating all friendly socialist nations into Soviet Federation and the supercultere.

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rockrocktwiceEinheitspakt•

Aryan brotherhood for battle royale russia

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Chard_StillAverage Tomsk Enjoyer•

For me, an interesting 21st century is one in which the Cold War is still raging, with Germany having reformed under Speer and Japan having reformed under Takagi, with a democratized independent Italy, and a Russia reunited by a Socialist leader who forms a new Internationale that becomes a rising power in international politics.

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doingmeafacsinante•

So 5 way cold war? What abt thatcher for good measure with antigerman French reunification, and a Japanese loss in the great Asian War coupled with a united west africa? Now there is 8 way cold war!

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Neat-Mathematician-8Long Yun Enjoyer•

I feel like a Fasc Germany with a stalemate GAW with China and India liberated but Japan still controlling Manchuria and South East Asia it would be interesting to see all the proxy wars spring up in Asia as India China and the OFN try to undermine Japan while japan desperately tries to keep what's left of their empire together

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RoadvazAfrika Schild•

Thermonuclear war

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geicosyndicalism•

Gonna take this question in a different direction away from most tense political situation and towards the most interesting and dynamic global situation, particularly with regard to science.

GO4 Germany, Full reform Takagi with Long Yun winning an early (and implicitly much less deadly) GAW and democratizing, Kardashev Russia, and most importantly a fully successful Glenn! followed by similar presidents.

We would have a reasonably peaceful world without investments being sunk into nuclear weaponry. In the 70s, China would have become an industrial and scientific powerhouse, a basic world (or country wide) web would have been developed (NETZRAM in Germany), and a man would have set foot on MARS. The technological advancements and level of space exploration by the 21st century might be incredible.

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LGBTzeentchVote NPP No Matter Who•

Post-Taboritsky collapse Russia in which nobody manages to reunify. Most of the craziest warlords wouldn't make it to the 21st century, and the ones that remain would be divided between the various alliances and end up in a massive amount of proxy wars.

Any variation of Red Italy that doesn't collapse, isn't isolationist, and isn't the secret killpeopleist guy, so that communism remains a viable force even without a communist Russia.

America is dominated by the NPP, going two-term RFK -> two-term Kirkpatrick, but the NPP C/L and NPP FR/Y split into two parties once the R-Ds become irrelevant. There should be like two or three senators for each extremist faction, but they shouldn't get any presidents.

Independent Speer, as stated by the OP. The 2WRW does not happen because Taboritsky collapses first. Saucken leads Moskowien, Landreut wins in Ostland, Jonas Lie wins in Norway, and the non-EsoNaz SS guy wins in Ukraine, giving Speer interactions with political opponents from both his left and his right.

Burgundy collapses, France and Iberia democratize and join the OFN.

The PALF wins in West Africa and the Congo and creates the biggest possible Pan-Africa, federalizing into a great power aligned with Red Italy. Hüttig collapses ASAP after an OFN-leaning victory in South Africa.

England remains Collab and goes Chesterton, then goes the most extreme path it can get without collapsing or being kicked out of the Pakt. It basically ends up being this timeline's North Korea. Scotland joins the OFN and manages to stay independent.

I'm not sure about Japan since I'm not familiar with their paths, but preferably something nicer than Speer and worse than the USA. Japan wins the GAW.

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PrimeAmericaOPHis Majesty King Hussein I bin Talal I of Jordan•

England becoming like North Korea is a interesting idea. Scotland becoming like OTL South Korea would be an entertaining twist on Global Politics. Can't HMMLR flee to Scotland if they loose the Civil War? A military junta to a capitalist democracy could be a similar shift seen like in OTL.

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Redhead1910Vyatka Gang•

Russia returns in 2010s as evidenced by Post-Midnight epilogue, so Russia will inevitably return one way or another. Even Taboritsky can't stop the idea of Russian nation

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demonicturtle•

The black spring - anarchist victory in 2nd WRW after absorbing the large army of the Russian people's union after a popular referendum and having batov step down as supreme commander of the black and red army following his pledge to free Russia and the completion of this goal.

Growing anarchist support globally, a great safe heaven, and a new ideology on the world stage and a new power that shows us a different way forward.

Germany went bormann into collapse and America went the decade of chaos following 2 term Bennett with the RnD holding power while the far left and far right split the NPP in two and the USA goes into a wild wild decade of politics.

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PolenballLiterally 31 * 2^6 •

The secret Based DSR timeline where they get influenced by the SBA and take power after Bormann collapses

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SpaceGamer03•

Unfathomably based

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PrimeAmericaOPHis Majesty King Hussein I bin Talal I of Jordan•

Can the SBA peacefully reunite with Batov?

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gagasserMother Anarchy loves her children•

no

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Redhead1910Vyatka Gang•

SBA can only unify with Divine Mandate.

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SvenTheHunter•

Socialist SBA winning in Russia would have probably the biggest impacts on global politics.

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Dutyman62Organization of Free Nations•

Honestly, any timeline where the SBA unifies Russia and wins the 2WRW. To have a country as massive and influential as Russia not only ruled by anarchists, but to win a shooting war against the fascist empire would change the global political landscape in ways I cannot begin to imagine.

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IronDBZSocialist Internationale•

I like the idea of the 21st century being a continued political Dark Age.

Not because I'd want it, but it'd definitely be interesting

Omsk Russia

Hockey USA

African Anarchy

German Anarchy (Heydrich)

East Asian Implosion.

Fascist Italy.

Cornwall Garrison occupied Britain.

Just....things gone wrong such that the baseline of the world is beneath the dirt.

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BlueTrapazoid•

Funnily enough, more things being "vanilla"

Where, after Nixon, either LBJ or Bennet, and then McNamara

From there, GAW with Chinese victory (shocker) with a more liberalized Japan.

Bormann wins the GCW, and does almost nothing.

However, Iberia and Italy go liberal, and bring France and the Balkans with them.

Britain under Jellicoe

Also, Russian Federation under Shushkin.

South Africa with OFN mandates.

And democratic Brazil.

The reason why I find this the most interesting is because of the competition. Except Germany (which would basically turn into Turkmenistan), all great powers are doing at least decent. This means a MASSIVE amount of competition with a bunch of spheres of influence.

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ArcherTheBoiLeninist CHP | L'Internationale sera le genre humain•

Hall USA

GO4 Germany

Democratic Stalina manages to take Moskowien in the post-Slave Revolt chaos but Germany threatens nukes if Russia goes further, ceasefire signed

Japan goes for the monarchy coup and loses GAW, albeit its a very bloody victory for China

Independent FD Italy

Pro-Pakt Ceasefire in SAW, followed by Reichstaat collapse in under a year

Edit: In addition, ConDem HMMLR + AutDem Iberia

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KaiserWilhelmThe69Sablin's State Mandate Femboy Master Race•

Yockey America, GO4 Germany, Russia lose the 2WRW and break up again, Japan follow the monarchy coup, China won under Gao, ensuring an industrialized China will enter the world stage. The amount of proxy wars in Russia will be lit, America now are destroyed, lies in ruins and an ambitious China unopposed and have basically free reign in Asia

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Dutyman62Organization of Free Nations•

That sounds like a miserable world unless you live in China.

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thehumanxanax•

Objectively most interesting take here

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Redhead1910Vyatka Gang•

Russia will not collapse if they get defeated in 2WRW, devs in Discord said so

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NODENGINEERSpeertard•

THREE YOUNG MEN

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Liomarcus2•

3 axes cold war and non stop proxies war seems good

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by the way it s our timeline : USA / CHINA / UE

" china was always our ennemy UE always been our ally " oups wrong email

UE always been our ennemy China always been our ally "

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sound familiar no ?

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AOMRocks20•

You know, people say "literally 1984" about lots of shit, but this is literally what happens in 1984.

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naosofnwonsnOrganization of Free Nations•

  • Samara unifies Russia and takes Moscow + caucuses from Germany

  • Japan liberalises and reforms

*Germany goes bornmann and the hardliners are barely clinging on to power

*USA goes full neo-con(Kirkpatrick), after LBJ's failures in: proxy wars ,oil crisis and bc of large concessions to Japan. As a result the population is becoming more radicalised

  • biggest UAR, Islamist Iran, PALF full victory but successful mandates, japan's sphere remains in tact

*Also red Italy and UK

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Elite_PrometheusUltravisionary Sablinite•

I'll agree with some other comments and say a Glenn! USA and Kardy Russia pushing each other further into the Great Beyond would be hype as hell.

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Ydrgn01•

I would find a 'realistic' scenario most interesting, in which none of the superpowers succeed in implementing their grandiose projects. So a relatively successful Bormann in Europe, a neutral England, Novosibirsk unifying Russia, Takagi just barely holding on to power in a technologically advanced but reactionary Japan, an independent China struggling with its industrialization, a conservative, arch-Catholic Italy (and Iberia), a Kemalist Turkey, quarreling Arab states, a disintegrating Reichsstaat after a pro-OFN truce, and a U.S. (with Hawaii) dealing with the consequences of a failed LBJ.

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