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The HLC letter to nurses and doctors about transfusions

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I created this post yesterday about a recent Zoom meeting my wife attended with the regional HLC, and explained that the HLC is continuing to tell JW nurses and doctors that they may not administer blood transfusions in their line of work, even though current, publicly-available written direction from the org still states that it IS permissible.

Rumor has been that HLC received a letter a few years ago with this new direction, but I haven't seen that letter anywhere. It was referenced on the Zoom meeting, though not provided visually or otherwise, but a helpful PIMO elder recently provided me this letter. I'm not at liberty to share an image of it, though I do have that, but I'll share the text of it here. PM me if you'd like additional information.

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Letterhead: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

Hospital Information Desk, 900 Red Mills Road, Wallkill, NY 12589-3223

June 15, 2018

TO ALL HOSPITAL LIAISON COMMITTEES

Re: Administering a Blood Transfusion When Directed by a Superior

Dear Brothers:

We would like to inform you of an updated policy with regard to whether a Christian may administer a blood transfusion if he is directed to do so by a superior. The previous policy was that it would be a matter for personal, conscientious decision whether to obey such an order. However, after carefully reviewing the matter, the Governing Body has determined that administering such a transfusion is so closely linked with an unscriptural practice that one unquestionably becomes an accomplice in a wrong practice. Therefore, it would not be appropriate for a Christian to administer a blood transfusion under any circumstance.—Gen. 9:4; Acts 15:28,29.

A Christian who is a nurse or a doctor respects the Scriptures and therefore would not recommend, order, or administer a blood transfusion. How a brother or sister will handle matters so as not to violate the Scriptures would be something to decide personally, bearing responsibility for the consequences of that decision. The possibility that a penalty might be imposed for noncompliance with orders from a superior would not be justification for a Witness to break God’s law.

What if a Witness who is an employee and is not responsible for deciding the matter is directed by a superior to draw blood for a test or to carry out other routine services for a non-Witness blood-transfusion patient? The Witness can make a personal, conscientious decision whether to obey.

You may inform Witness doctors and nurses of this decision.

We send our warm Christian love.

Your brothers,

Watchtower B.&T. Society of New York, Inc.

c: Circuit Overseers

6/15/18-E

Posted Mar 15, 2022, 3:16 PM UTC · edited

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

A couple of my own thoughts about this letter:

  • The GB has "carefully reviewed the matter", yet has done a 180 on the direction while only citing the same scriptures which have always been used to support the JW stand on blood. Was the previous direction from God? Or is this? Or neither? And if their beliefs are solidly founded on the Bible, which hasn't changed in 2,000 years, how can something be explicitly allowed and later explicitly not allowed?
  • The GB acknowledges that a penalty (lawsuit, loss of license, loss of job, etc.) may be imposed for following this direction, yet states that the Witness will make this decision "personally" and will bear responsibility for it. In other words, "you're on your own when you get sued". Gotta love it.
  • The GB conflates their determination with "the Scriptures", stating that they've "carefully reviewed the matter", citing the same old verses, yet saying that a Witness will follow this policy because they 'respect the Scriptures'. Was the Witness NOT respecting the scriptures before they were aware of the GB's opinion on the matter?

As my post yesterday stated, I'm personally invested in this because my PIMI wife is a nurse who administers transfusions in her line of work. She's been working under the current written direction that administering a doctor-ordered transfusion is allowed, but when the HLC informed her a few days ago that that is no longer correct, she's now preparing to inform her boss that she will no longer administer transfusions, possibly putting her job and license at risk, and at a minimum, losing some respect from her colleagues who understand that a transfusion is a scientifically-supported intervention in many cases.

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AlreadyReadItLikely•

Don’t ask. And definitely she doesn’t have to tell. HIPAA

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Except when someone is PIMI the GB’s word is gold.

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chels-a-2893•

It's just so very sad that people are still so subjugated by this organization, so reliant on their every direction that they simply cannot act on their own conscience. My heart breaks every time I read posts like this.

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AlreadyReadItLikely•

And yet it’s not. Only the Bible is gold or supposed to be

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barrathefknworldGreek Orthodox Christian with exJW GF•

So the GB changes the Bible and quotes it out of context.

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[deleted]•

Yup. Say nothing and business as usual.

The HLC can pound sand.

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Complex_Ad5004•

This is shocking. People are treated like infants with a total lack of respect and human dignity. No explanations or reasoning from scriptures given. They think that by ending a paragraph with 'Gen. 9:4; Acts 15:28,29' they are saying God is giving them the seal of approval to their decision.

So, are they really going to disfellowship a nurse for administering a blood transfusion? I only wish that would happen so it would make the news and put this on the spotlight where it belongs.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

That’s the great part: regular elders don’t have this letter and so would have no basis to DF someone for administering a transfusion. There’s no enforcement possible on this policy right now.

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Oldwhiteguyherenow•

A person who accepts a blood transfusion is not DFd. WTC has so many standards that it is hard to take them seriously anymore.

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Complex_Ad5004•

They are considered Disassociated, which is the same by all means and purposes.

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Keesha2012•

Not true. I knew a man who was DF'd on his literal deathbed for accepting a blood transfusion. Think about that for a minute. He was laying in his hospital bed, dying, hoping to hold on long enough to see his kids one last time, and the elders DF'd him.

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FacetuneMySoul•

They aren’t? I understand they aren’t if it’s presented as being pushed on them, but if they willfully accept it and it somehow gets back to elders…

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warranpieceBee attorney. "Have you been beat off?"•

There is no enforcement for a lot of things unless you tell on yourself. Including even getting a transfusion.

This is weirdly disappointing even though very little changes. Let's make the few medical professionals in the country that are JWs, worse at their jobs. Cool.

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Oldwhiteguyherenow•

Pikuach nefesh (Hebrew: פקוח נפש‎ 'watching over a soul') is the principle in Jewish law that the preservation of human life overrides virtually any other religious rule” (wiki) and that is what Jesus did teach when he advocated saving a donkey on the sabbath. The lesson was that if it was allowable to break the law of the sabbath to save even the life of a donkey, how much more reasonable to save a humans life and break a law for that purpose.

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JT_Critical_Thinker•

Medical organizations will feel that jw are a liability

Only nurse in the room patients needs blood Dr orders blood

Jw -says no Dr -last week you gave 15 patients blood What happened

Jw -God changed his mind this week

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Yep, that's going to be my wife's situation when she talks to her boss about it.

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heyohsee•

"However, after carefully reviewing the matter, the Governing Body has determined that administering such a transfusion is so closely linked with an unscriptural practice that one unquestionably becomes an accomplice in a wrong practice."

Using this logic, I can think of hundreds of situation where one would become an "accomplice" in a wrong practice.

  • I work in a hotel and an unmarried couple comes in to book a room for a night, am I supposed to ask for a marriage certificate? (Accomplice in fornication) -I work at hobby lobby/chickfila (accomplice on Flase religion)
  • I work at a grocery store and sell liquor and cigarettes all day long (accomplice in drunkeness and uncleanness)
  • I work In a pharmacy (accomplice in abortion, blood receiving, etc)

Logic doesn't make sense here. Has blood become an extreme sin? Have we established tiers for sins? What happens if I do administer blood, is my conscience supposed to make me tell on myself for following orders? Am I getting df'd after 1 or 2 occurences? How would elders even assume guilt/repentance in this situation?

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

You’re clearly going straight to hell.

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heyohsee•

Already there, I'm a pimo! :D

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JudyLyonz•

There is a difference here.

Work in a hotel? You have no way of knowing and no reason to ask what the relationship is between two (or more) people who rent a room.

Hobby Lobby, etc? You work for a company whose owners are religious. As long as they don't expect you to worship at their church or participate in anything religious, it's not an issue. The issue you might have is if they order you to say "Merry Christmas" during the holidays. You could not work in a religious book shop though, because that stores function is the promotion of religion.

Work in a supermarket? JWs can drink alcohol, no issue. I have been told that JW are not supposed to sell cigarettes to people. That's less of an issue in the US than in other countries I'm going to guess.

Work at a pharmacy? In the US, you can refuse to fill a prescription for a drug that violates your personal morality you can refuse to dispense it. In theory, you cant be fired because you are exercising your first amendment right to freedom of religion. This was the outcome of a test case coming out of OTC availability of the morning after pill.

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heyohsee•

I used these just as an example of using the whole "accomplice to a sin" rule. We are accomplices everyday of someone else's sin if this is the rule to follow. This is why we have communities like the Amish and Mennonites who take not being a part of this world as literal, because let's face it, being a part of society means we are accomplices in their sins. We fund these sins and we work and supply sinners with sinning products and services without even knowing.

Tax dollars taken from paychecks are being used to fund thousands of abortions and blood transfusions, is everyone that pays taxes an accomplice? So just by touching the bag of blood you are an accomplice? The decision and choice to administer the blood has nothing to do with the person administering it. Is blood as sacred as the ark of the covenant where one mustn't even touch it? This topic brings up lots think about here. I like your comment because it makes me think of even more questions now haha.

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HarveyGoldengreens•

This is the correct logic that can make the whole JW mind crumble! I used to work for a government agency/local superior courts, did my work cause an unjust punishment on an innocent person? Was I an accomplice to Satan's rulership of man?

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tetraethylmethaneNever-JW•

You can read the Elder's Handbook. It'll show you how they assume guilt and repentance

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aftertheprelude•

I used to work as a tech support guy at an internet service provider. Just imagine the lascivious depravity I help people get access to. Shocking!

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wfsmithiv•

The WT doesn’t take the medical Hippocrates oath “do no harm”. This has got to go public

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I’m waiting on John Redwood/Mark O’Donnell to reach out about it. He was talking about posting the letter itself publicly and a couple of people wanted to send it to boards of nursing in their state.

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wfsmithiv•

Thank you so much for this post and your bravery. It’s just astounding to see this mandate on JW healthcare workers. This is another level of crazy

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JT_Critical_Thinker•

When this hits the medical hiring officers No jw will be hired

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ziddina'Zactly!•

I wish. They'll scream religious discrimination if that happens. I hate the American fundie literalist apocalyptic Christian movement.

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Sh110803•

I remember when I was in, I told my elders that I think this applies to me. I remember telling them I draw blood for transfusions all the time and order t&cs from the lab all the time. I’m a lab guy. They looked at me and said you’re not that important. I can’t wait for the day they see me working as an RN and need help from my disfellowshipped ass

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Just to be clear, it does apply to you in a way, but drawing blood for transfusions is still a conscience matter according to this letter.

On top of that, elders in general aren't aware that this letter exists.

But good on you for working toward becoming an RN. It's a respected job that's in demand, with decent pay and mobility. I wish you all the best!

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Sh110803•

Thanks OP!

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Suougibma•

How many JWs are working in a surgery or ER setting? Anyone have a ballpark?

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AlreadyReadItLikely•

I am. Approximately I’d say 1-2 %. Remember most can’t get a college education.

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FacetuneMySoul•

It’s one of the few acceptable and respected professions among JWs who do go to college though.

I went to college for something totally different and get negative reactions to the fact I got a higher education, but nursing and teaching in particular seem ok with them.

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AlreadyReadItLikely•

Strangely I think u r right

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Suougibma•

If you don't mind me asking, what is your field and how did you manage to go to school for that? Also, does your employer work around your JW schedule without that being an issue?

I could believe 1-2%. In the general population it is like 14% of jobs in the US and I figure for a JW it was probably 10% of that number at best.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Not the person you asked, but my wife is an ER nurse and I know a number of other JWs who are nurses. Becoming an RN in the US isn't considered a "university education", as it only requires an Associate (ADN) degree, not a 4-year Bachelor's degree.

Many community college offer nursing programs with flexible schedules, and many healthcare jobs will reimburse employees for education costs incurred by pursuing a nursing degree.

In my wife's case, her employer works around her JW schedule very well. Nurses are in demand right now and employers are desperate to keep them and are often willing to make exceptions.

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ziddina'Zactly!•

Becoming an RN in the US isn't considered a "university education", as it only requires an Associate (ADN) degree, not a 4-year Bachelor's degree.

Many community college offer...

Crud, the lower levels of required education is somewhat frightening, considering that the nurses interact with patients far more than the doctors do. This also helps explain why there appear to be quite a few nurses who aren't open to accurate scientific research about certain preventative medical procedures.

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Suougibma•

Thanks, for the info. That makes sense.

Is refusing to administer blood a problem?

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

No clue, but I'd guess in any major city in the US you'd find at least a couple dozen.

Note that those are the ones who'd most likely impact patient care by refusing (in an emergency, for example), but even nurses on med/surg floors, long-term care facilities, and many other fields may have been called on to administer a transfusion at times.

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Suougibma•

It just seems like it would be such a low number for such a specific letter. Especially considering the amount of schooling required to get into that field as well as the demand of odd hours of work. My dad was a convert, and he had a professional job in finance before joining. Of all the people in our hall (maybe 120 or so), he was the only white collar worker, aside from some front desk or secretary type jobs. He would get talked occasionally for showing up late to meetings due to business meeting conflict. Generally, he could come and goes as he pleased, that's not a luxury medical staff get to see.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I know a few, and while the hours can be odd, they also usually work long days but few of them (3x 12-hour shifts per week, for example), so a few JW nurses I know are pioneers.

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Suougibma•

Thanks for the info. That makes sense.

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TouchyExocticFutons•

Personally, I know a ton of witnesses in healthcare. I could probably name like 30-40. Hell, I’m even going to school to work in healthcare right now. You can get your associates degrees and have a steady job to “pioneer with” (of course my goal is to get a steady job and get the hell out lol)

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Suougibma•

When you say work in healthcare you do mean directly and not in ancillary way? Like certified to stick a needle in someone?

That all seems to be much different than 20 years ago, I was also rural, so that will skew my experience. I'm sure urban JWs have different jobs, you would have to do something better to afford living in urban areas.

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Keesha2012•

I knew two elders who pushed their daughters to get four-year RN degrees. I know three or four nurses' aides. One elder's wife was a medical lab tech. That was just in one hall.

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Suougibma•

Wow, maybe those ends times aren't so soon? 🤣

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Suougibma•

That's great BTW, I hope this becomes more normalized for the sake of these people bettering themselves in the here and now.

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TouchyExocticFutons•

Most of the ones I know are registered nurses or have 2 year degrees doing something or other medically related. I fall into the latter category

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Fendersocialclub•

An illustration:

A little boy has a small dog named Lucky that he goes everywhere with. When he rides his bike, Lucky rides in the handle bar basket. They're best friends. One day, the boy wakes up and Lucky is gone. He's so distraught that he's sad for weeks, so his parents get him a stuffed animal dog named Buddy to try to make him feel better. After a while it starts to work. The boy imagines that the stuffed animal is Lucky, using it as a place holder or symbol for his old best friend. He even takes it everywhere and keeps it in his handlebar basket when he rides his bike. The stuffed animal sybomlizes the real dog.

One day when he's out on his bike, the boy's old dog, Lucky, runs up to him out of no where! He's so excited to find his old best friend! But he's so far from home, he can't possibly walk him all the way back, and he doesn't have room in the handlebar basket for Lucky and the stuffed animal Buddy. He thinks about what to do. He thinks about how important Buddy is because he symbolizes his friendship with Lucky. That's when he realizes what he has to do. The stuffed animal Buddy is too important and can't be abandoned, so he sacrifices Lucky so he can keep Buddy. When you think about it, he really did it for Lucky. Buddy symbolized Lucky, so he had to keep the stuffed animal out of respect for Lucky. In the end, everything that Buddy symbolized was just too important.

This is what's it's like when someone sacrifices their life by refusing a blood transfusion. Blood is sacred because it symbolizes life, just like Buddy was a symbol that represented Lucky. In the story, it's obvious that Buddy can't possibly be more important than Lucky. EviDENtLy, Sacrificing your actual life out of respect for something that's a symbol of life cannot possibly make sense. A symbol cannot be more important than the thing that it represents. If your beliefs truly hold life sacred, the most important thing you can do is to value and protect your life--not throw it away for an arbitrary symbol like the boy did with Lucky.

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Oldwhiteguyherenow•

Pikuach nefesh (Hebrew: פקוח נפש‎ 'watching over a soul') is the principle in Jewish law that the preservation of human life overrides virtually any other religious rule” (wiki) and that is what Jesus did teach when he advocated saving a donkey on the sabbath. The lesson was that if it was allowable to break the law of the sabbath to save even the life of a donkey, how much more reasonable to save a humans life and break a law for that purpose.

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AlreadyReadItLikely•

But it’s okay to cancel meetings if secular authorities dictate it to be safe or not. Isn’t a transfusion about safety and health. Same as Covid restrictions. They will continue to become more and more ass backwards. No question about it. That’s what happens when you don’t live in the real world. Coincidentally the original ‘GB’ , if you want to demean them by calling them that, did indeed live in the real world. Worked, had families, made real world decisions.

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Maleficent_Rice_6205•

Will the Borg be offering positions at bethel branches to all of the health care professionals they get fired?

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Yes, I'm sure they just forgot to mention it in the letter. /s

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ready2danceType Your Flair Here!•

I was a Clerk working at a County Hospital in 2012. I worked in the Medical department making Birth Certificates. This hospital was a training facility for nurses and bew resident doctors.

I had not been DF'd, but had begun the fade. A good friend of mine's sister had recently become divorced, went to college to become a nurse, and was working on my floor with mom's having babies.

She finished her training and college, and I believe she kept working there.

A couple years later, she saw me at a restaurant talking to her mom and dad in the "waiting for your table" area, walked past me without looking in my eyes, or acknowledging me, was very firm, said, "mom, dad, let's go to our table!"

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Oldwhiteguyherenow•

So you experienced the love eh?

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ready2danceType Your Flair Here!•

"Reality check, please" 😉

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587BCE•

Updated policy for christians 😂 can they not see how absurd this is. I guess the bible itself wasnt enough to know how to be a Christian.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I think you're missing the point: The Bible IS where this direction is coming from. The Bible is where ALL of their direction comes from:

  • Organ transplants are wrong
  • Organ transplants are OK
  • Blood transfusions are wrong
  • Transfusions of fractions of blood are OK
  • Transfusions of CERTAIN fractions of blood are NOT ok
  • Performing a transfusion on a patient when ordered by a doctor is OK
  • Performing a transfusion on a patient when ordered by a doctor is NOT ok

Should I keep going? Has this clarified how all JW beliefs are based on the Bible?

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587BCE•

Oh yes, Governing Body chapter 10:4

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NoHigherEd•

This letter boils my blood! One minute its okay, the next it isn't. Imagine you let your JW kid or spouse die, due to not letting them have a transfusion and the next day they change it. WT did this with organ transplants. How many innocent JW's died because of this doctrine?

When a cult tells you what you can an can not do on your job, something is really wrong here! What if you work at a drug store and someone comes in to buy condoms or cigarettes? Do you refuse to sell those to the customer. You would loose your job if you did!

If I were a JW nurse or doctor, I would just keep my mouth shut about this task. It is none of WT's business what you do at work. God, I hate this cult!

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Fendersocialclub•

So a doctor can no longer order labs? Blood work then almost violate the scriptures as that’s not pouring it on the ground either. What about having lab work done on yourself when a doctor orders it? You mean to tell me that non of these 8 fat fucks in the governing body is on blood pressure meds or a statin for cholesterol, or insulin? What about a finger prick for a cbg? This makes absolutely zero sense as not only are they splitting hairs but treading a very slippery slope.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

So a doctor can no longer order labs?

Nope, that's not what it's saying. Drawing blood is still a conscience matter. Transfusing blood is not.

That said, I don't see how a JW doctor could practice in an environment where blood would ever need to be ordered. He'd have to outright refuse to order a necessary treatment at times. Again, though, ordering a transfusion has been 'against the rules' since at least 1999.

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Fendersocialclub•

That’s what they might as well be saying. The scriptural directive is to pour the blood out. Not transfuse it’s, not put it under a microscope, no put it in a test tube to spin in the centrifuge. They can’t have their cake and eat it too, by saying one is a conscience matter while the other isn’t. What about transfusing fractions? If a doctor transfuses all the components separately eventually after the last one is on board it’s called —whole blood.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I agree. This letter was about as negative toward dealing with blood in any manner as I've ever seen.

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Finallyfreetothink•

the borg try to spin it as it will EVENTUALLY be discarded, therefore blood draws for tests do not violate the spirit of....

https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2000767#h=7

It's amazing the mental gymnastics required to keep this so called law.

What struck me in the last few years was the complete ABSENCE of any "punishment" for taking in blood in Acts 15.

Let's assume Acts 15 DOES apply to all usage of blood. (False assumption, I know.) The directive- the letter from the Governing Body, in JW terminology- doesn't say ANYTHING about the consequences of using blood.

At least with things like fornication or stealing, they can use 1 Cor 6:9,10 to say that if you cannot inherit the kingdom, it is a serious offense.

But mention of blood use in the NT is limited to that single Acts 15:28,29.

A jw might argue that in the context, it places it with idolotry and fornication, all "serious" sins. But it ALSO places it with eating things sacrificed to idols. In 1 (or 2?) Corinthians, Paul argues that eating meat sacrificed to idols is a conscience matter- a personal decision.

So blood's listing along with idolatry and fornication do not automatically place it in the same category as those.

So by the scriptures themselves in the NT, the prohibition of the "misuse" of blood comes with ZERO consequences, zero explicit judgment or punishment.

And yet this repetition of OT laws governs the lives of everyone in the org.

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Gonegirl27"She's gone, and nothin's gonna bring her back"•

What a great point. If we're to "pour it on the ground" how can they countenance scooping up a little to smear on a slide? The harder you look, the more ridiculous and unsupportable the whole thing is. Blood fractions created a huge upheaval for me and led me to never updating the suicide card again for the last decade I was PIMI. Shredding that worn, torn and tattered bit of paper was the bridge to finally being done.

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gentlemanofcraft•

What we need is for a few GB members (or their close family members) to experience a DIRE need of blood transfusion or some other “unacceptable” blood-related treatment. Maybe their own policy hitting them extremely close to home could jolt them into some “nu-lite” where they suddenly “review the matter” and reason it’s a conscience matter.

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Odd-Seesaw•

Recently a JW nurse asked me about if she could give transfusions. I gave her the article that says it's a conscious matter. I had no idea this letter existed..... She has definitely given blood transfusions since then.

I would love for a case to come before my Body of Elders regarding this. I would lose it if a sister had a judicial meeting based on info in a secret letter.

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I've talked about this with a couple of others on here too--that elders in general aren't aware of this letter, which is really unusual. The other article you mentioned is the 1999 WT, right? That's the most recent direction on it that I know of.

Someone pointed out that the HLC directive is essentially unenforceable, since elders don't have a copy of it. Who would DF a nurse for transfusing blood? What would they base the decision on? I just think it's HIGHLY unusual for this letter to have existed for almost 4 years, yet elders haven't been informed, no revision has been made to the Shepherd book, and no update has been published in the WT.

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Odd-Seesaw•

I think your right, it's completely unenforceable. There is nothing in the Elder book about giving blood transfusions.

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Alone-Pineapple-3752•

The GB should have absolutely no say in this matter. Also doctors and nurses that are jw should not be if they won’t do their job! If they find it more important to listen to 8 morons over the medical safety of an individual then they should lose their job and license. It’s ridiculous they could be intelligent enough to be doctor or nurse but so stupid to be this negligent with their job and patience.

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gknight702•

Guess killing thousands of men, women, children and babies over the decades hasn't been enough. GB are some sick fat old vampires

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mamatobee328•

I want to downvote this so badly because the post makes me SO angry but that’s not what the downvote button is for. Thank you for making this letter available to all of us!

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NoHigherEd•

Here's a good one for ya. My daughter became an EMT. I was questioned by a JW because she had a flag on her EMT patch. The micro managing of this cult is staggering. The judgment is staggering! So much is wrong with this cult and it's members. I surely do NOT miss it!

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

Oh man, I just paid with a dollar bill that said "In God We Trust". I'm probably DF'd now.

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NoHigherEd•

Yes, my mail was delivered by a truck with a flag on it. Oh my! It goes to show you how crazy they are!

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

In the trash with it, NOW!!!

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rpgnymhush•

If you refuse to do the job for which you were hired, you should be fired. Period.

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aspiringpomothe family disappointment💖💜💙😶‍🌫️•

so is there a difference between a dr/nurse administering blood and a grocery store associate stocking or replenishing cigarettes? a pharmacy technician completing the sale of plan b? what’s the point of performing CPR if life/death is for sky daddy to decide??

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redditing_againOPFormer elder, inactive, and mostly POMO!•

I'd more closely liken it to lighting a cigarette for an incapacitated patient--directly assisting a person to partake of something JWs think is wrong. But I agree that it's very overbearing to give direction like this.

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