r/ClashOfClans•
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An extensive List of suggestions regarding the account security problem and how to prevent phishing.

Ideas & Feedback

Accounts being fished and clans being stolen has been a serious concern for a while now, even the devs themselves acknowledged that.
Hell, the top post on this subs front page right now is about a long-time user being phished MULTIPLE TIMES.
And Supercell should care about this, I recon there are quite a few users who will never spend a single cent on this game because they fear losing their accounts. Here are some suggestions to improve account safety and account recovery:

1. Two-factor authentication for supercell ID. Pretty self-explanatory, really. I guess most people here have used it in one form or another.

2. A 'log out from all devices' button. Enables players to make sure nobody else is accessing their accounts from another device (in cases of lost devices, shared devices etc.).

3. Grouping multiple Supercell-IDs to a master ID.
Grouping multiple accounts together, possibly with a shared method of two-factor-authentication or a master password for account management could drastically cut down successful phishing attempts since any phisher would have to know EVERY account linked to a master ID, not just the one he is targeting.
Example: a phisher tries to recover a TH14 account. He manages to guess the answers to the security questions, but doesn't know how many and what kind of accounts are linked to the master ID, something the actual owner would know without a doubt.
Players could easily keep a single account out of clans, give it an entirely different name and make phishing attempts a lot more obvious to support.

4. Automatic email notofication whenever a support ticket is opened for an account linked to that email. As far as we know, phishing involves a lot of brute-forcing to get answers to security questions right. Letting a player know that support tickets have been opened regarding his account could be an advanced warning and give him a link in the email to let support know that the actual owner is still in control of the account and the 'retrieving' attempt is just a phishing attempt.

5. Forms instead of single questions. Right now, questions related to the account are asked one after another. That means a phisher trying to brute-force the right answers always knows which question he got wrong and which answers were right. If all questions are asked via a form or at once before getting any kind of feedback, a phisher would never know what he guessed wrong and brute-forcing would become exponentially more difficult.
Make it a couple of specific questions (devices that account was used from, creation date, clan, time of inactivity etc.) and some open ones where players can answer how active they were, how and how much they usually attacked etc. Anything they can think of that support can verify. Let users add proof of in-game purchases and payment methods as well, and suddenly identifying phishing attempts should be very easy, while not making it any harder to rightfully retrieve lost accounts.

6. Better internal communication. I guess nobody in the community knows how support works exactly, where it's out-sourced to and how much Supercell can influence it so this is a pretty vague point, but some improvements could surely be made.
The easiest would be to keep a log of support requests regarding each account. If a support employee gets a request to retrieve account ABC and sees that there have been 28 attempts at retrieving that account in the last week, it shouldn't be too hard to identify it as a phishing attempt.

7. Opt-out of account recovery. If Supercell, for some reason, decides not to do anything about the security situation, the least they could do is to give users the option to opt out of any recovery process to at least avoid the risk of support helping phishers with stealing their account.

8. A recovery-code. Let users create a recovery code for the future that would allow them to get access to their account and let them change the ID the account is linked to without going through support. This would put the responsibility on the user keeping their recovery-code safe and unknown to others.

If you have any additional suggestions or find flaws in the ones listed, please comment! Maybe we can help to improve the situation. Tagging u/Darian_CoC too, so hopefully this post doesn't get lost.

(Not all of the suggestions are unique, some have been posted on here already. This is supposed to be a long list of ideas that could help, not a list of "my" ideas.)

Posted May 11, 2022, 1:46 PM UTC · edited

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plsnotjoe•

Honestly they’re log in system is quite possibly the most ridiculously primitive i’ve seen in any game. It would be infinitely better if it had a email and password system like every other game out there, it baffles me how stupid this studio is.

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HomerJ_Doh•

It's not that they're stupid. They just don't care. Just like the majority of people in this sub. I've had a couple of flame wars with acct thieves in this very sub and no one here chimed in with shit.

They will feign outrage but when phishers/thieves rear their ugly heads in this sub the outraged people are always nowhere to be found.

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ShadyMan_•

Why do phishers even want accounts to begin with?

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HomerJ_Doh•

To sell them.

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retarted-fish•

I havnt been able to log into my primary on my phone for a few days now, because it keep telling me that the verification code is wrong even though its the exact one they emailed me its stupid as hell, luckily my main is accessible on my other device but I'm worried if I get logged out of it on my other device too

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ByWillAlonehumble servant & leader of Reddit Iota [ #98QR9LJJ ]•

I have no security complaints about the log-in system at all. In fact, I think it's the best possible solution they could have implemented.

Reason: supercell is NOT a security company...they don't know dick about security and they don't want to have to know dick about security. The system they created puts the responsibility of security onto the user's own email...which makes the user responsible for security, and this is a great thing. It takes something that supercell has no expertise in (security) and it hands it over directly to someone who does have expertise in security (an email provider).

The problem isn't the log-in mechanics, and the problem isn't the security of the underlying email account that user's use for their Supercell IDs... the problem is that Supercell support can be easily fooled into reassigning a new email account to a supercell ID after getting talked into it by a thief.

If they instead brought the security of it in house, then we'd also be dealing with their incompetency with handling security, and I don't want that problem also. To fix the account theft epidemic, they don't need to handle how village log-in works, they need to QUIT FUCKING HANDING LEGITIMATE PLAYER ACCOUNTS OVER TO THIEVES. That's a PROCESS PROBLEM...and many of the suggestions listed at the top level post are designed specifically to mitigate Supercell's process problems.

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soyalguien336•

Their*

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ByWillAlonehumble servant & leader of Reddit Iota [ #98QR9LJJ ]•

For #1, we really don't need this if we have #7. Reason: the user's underlying email is the actual technological security for SuperCell ID, and that, usually, is not the weak link in the account-theft epidemic; additionally, most email services already offer 2-factor authentication. The core of the problem isn't 2-factor authentication on the supercell side of things, it's that they willy-nilly reassign users accounts to a different email regardless of whether 2-factor authentication exists or not. By having a way to prevent account recovery in the first place, then then all burden of account security is shifted onto the user and their choice of email provider, which is where it should be, and users will always be free to utilize 2-factor auth or not at the email account level.

#2 - this is a no-brainer. It's considered basic technology industry security best practice. Any online service provider with even a passing interest in security is offering this now. It became a best practice over a decade ago. Looking forward to supercell catching up to 2010 era best practices.

#3 This is half right. We don't need a master supercell-id, but I do agree that allowing users to designate an alternate recovery email address for their accounts is absolutely necessary. Also, this must be implemented in conjunction with #7 - if a user sets up a recovery email, then Supercell should refuse to assist in village recovery for anyone who has lost access to both their primary and backup email. And like the previous item, this became an industry standard security best practice over a decade ago and needs to be implemented. I speculate the reason that Supercell refuses to implement this one is because they fear it will make black-market account sales/transfers easier between individuals...which is kind of an ironic paradox because there wouldn't be such a huge market for black market account sales/transfers if there wasn't such a huge theft problem to begin with. Supercell got us all into this mess due to failure to implement common best practices and now they refuse to implement common best practices because it makes the existing problem that Supercell are responsible for even worse for them.

#4. Yet again, this is an industry standard best practice that Supercell refused to implement. This one became considered a best practice over 15 years ago and pre-dates even the other best practices. It should be accompanied by a 1-week cooldown on any account recovery activity to give the original/rightful owner an opportunity to see the fraudulent account activity and intervene with Supercell support before any damage is done.

#5 - I'm not sure if this is necessary or not. During automated recovery, I don't think phishers are told when they get a question wrong even though they are asked in serial rather than in parallel. They know when recovery as a whole fails or not. I haven't seen enough of the process to know with high certainty about how it's working now, though.

#6 - In addition to this, there needs to be a well defined process for working with supercell to make things right after an account has been wrongfully stolen...including fixing the damage done to clans if the clan's leadership account were stolen.

#7 - I've already said it three or four times earlier...this is absolutely essential for any improvement to the account theft epidemic.

#8 - this is really just a form of 2FA. If we have this, we don't need #1...or maybe give the user a choice of weak 2fa (recovery code) or strong 2fa (encryption-backed time-sensitive rotating tokens).

Things you left out that are also still needed:

#9 - Someone within Supercell who actually gives a fuck about the player and advocates for the player in support-related issues. I used to think this should be Darian, but he's made it very clear this isn't his job numerous times.

#10 - Additional layers of security for clan leader accounts and/or clans themselves.

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AuntieDotFromReach•

#9 #9 #9

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clash_zzTH 13, DeadSages Nation Clan Family•

I like what you are suggesting but I highly doubt anything will be done by them - people have been asking them to do one simple thing: implementing 2FA and they have not done it for years, no to mention you are suggesting multiples. If you check the 'Safeguard Your Account' link on the right side of this subreddit, it was written 1 year ago and I am pretty sure the problem existed much longer before that. But unfortunately nothing has been done.

I'd still upvote this however in the hope that eventually, SC will take this more seriously because everyday multiple legit users got banned for 'suspected phishing'

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CraForce1TH 14•

It’s just a mystery how a company with multi-billion dollar wins in every single one of their games can be so blatantly stupid, stubborn and blind about a topic like account security. They literally acknowledged the problem officially multiple months ago, while this is something that has to be done within hours, maybe days. And it is so freaking easy to change. I and probably everybody else will never understand how they can be so incredible stupid in this.

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That7mad1971my base is so good my opponents rate it 3/3•

These are really great ideas and i hope they add em in the future

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BrandBrandPowersRushed th14 with max heroes, max bh9•

How the heck does they do it and why would anyone phish

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lrt2222•

I think the answer to why is pretty clear. Some do it because they want the account. Most do it because there is a black market where accounts are sold. There are whole systems set up of people just constantly working on stealing accounts from SC support. If anyone is wondering why support struggles to help real people, just think of all of that they are dealing with plus millions of kids asking when the next update is or why their queen shot a wall. All in all, I think it would be better if there was no account recovery other than an automated system that used a unique code and that is it. Lose your code? too bad.

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HomerJ_Doh•

Take a gander at the CoC account selling sub. You will find your answer there.

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Wilhelt21•
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lrt2222•

Many (including me) have suggested 7 and 8 over and over and SC seems to have zero interest in it. They also seem to underestimate the impact this is having on the game. They see tens of millions of players and relatively few accounts stolen by comparison, but I don’t think they account for the number of players worried about getting their account stolen.

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HomerJ_Doh•

Exactly.

I go out of my way to avoid giving away my or my clans location. I don't have any older obstacles on my base. Don't dare use hero skins. Will not upgrade my bases past th13.

It's really absurd how we have to limit everything just to make our accounts unattractive to scumbags.

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Jon_Snow283•

What about the accounts we've already lost? The recovery bot is total trash and doesn't helps at all. I've lost multiple accounts to hackers and improving security is going to kill my chances of getting them back (suppose the hacker opts out of account recovery). Guess it's over now.

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inflamito2x TH14, TH12, TH11•

if you haven't gotten them back by now, they're gone.

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Jon_Snow283•

Not the older ones. I lost 2 accounts (th12 nd 11) just a few days ago but as ykvw the support system of supercell is garbage so I couldn't recover them yet but I'm still trying.

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GeneralRevenue4680•

They're in the business of money. From knowledge I've gathered people who are f2p are easy phish targets. It's actually not even phishing. It's social engineering, but yeah. Maybe the people that steal/buy the accounts spend money in game? And the original account owner doesn't.. Idk just a shitty thought lol

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geof14:townhall14emoji: TH 14 / :builderhall9emoji: BH 9•

Shitty thought, but correct and incorrect. Think of every player as an investment - they might be playing the game for free at first, but later on down the line they might. I started playing way back in 2014 and at the time there was no way my parents would ever let me spend money. 8 years later I've dropped a small amount on gold passes, paid offers and that number adds up. Sure supercell was losing money hosting players like me to play the game, but as long as eventually a percentage will turn and spend some money, company profits. The way they can do this? Beats me, but there's definitely a few people at supercell HQ crunching numbers and making sure they don't bankrupt.

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GeneralRevenue4680•

Not sure why you were downvoted :/ was a logical response

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geof14:townhall14emoji: TH 14 / :builderhall9emoji: BH 9•

A little dehumanising to refer to players as "investment".

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GeneralRevenue4680•

Oh I don't disagree lol

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Alabama-Getaway•

The biggest obstacle and biggest issue is #9, in Will’s response.

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corporalcorl•

How do you even phish? Like how bad does their security even work if you can just get a account ez pz?

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CoCRetire•

If you've had enough of CoC bs and are planning to quit forever or just take a break from the game, your account can be used to give out free war loot/XP/stars while you're away if you park your account in one of the Retired clans. Everyone makes easy war bases and the clan loses every war on purpose

r/ClashOfClansRetire

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WhatAnEpicTurtle•

u/Darian_CoC some pretty good suggestions dude

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iClone101Max TH14 - est. Nov. 2013•

#7, #7, #7. This would solve SO MANY, if not all, of the issues faced with account phishing. I don't need to recover my account, and I will never need to recover my account. My account is connected to my primary email, and if I lose access to that, I have bigger problems than Clash of Clans. It used to be that CoC account recovery was just plain awful, and they would likely be unable to help you. But somewhere along the line it devolved into a tool phishers could manipulate as the primary entry point to getting into an account. It's pathetic, and for the people who will never need to use it, it's a security vulnerability that keeps players in constant fear. I've saved the receipts of every purchase I have ever made in CoC. The over one thousand screenshots I've taken over the past 8 years are in a folder, ready to send off to SC if I ever have the unfortunate experience that so many face. And seeing the experiences of so many others, it probably won't be enough.

For the longest time I doubted that all these account phishing bans were true, tending to assume that the ones posting the pictures were the phishers themselves. But over just the past few months, I've realized just how rampant this issue is, as more people are consistently posting about their struggles with SC support.

Even if SC does NOTHING to change the way their support system works, they need to at the ABSOLUTE LEAST offer a way to disable account recovery so those who practice proper account security aren't made vulnerable by SC's huge security flaw.

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Iridescentdragoon•

Upvote🙌🏻

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inflamito2x TH14, TH12, TH11•

I've seen all of these suggested but it's nice to see them all listed in one neat post for SC to ignore. Respect the effort and take my free award.

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Green_List•

Honestly - if Supercell finally pull their finger out and give the whole ID system a mass overhaul then they would have to admit that the current one is flawed.

Everyone seems to avoid talking about account reform - even Darian who should be on the side of the legitimate consumer actively avoids any and all mentions of scammers, phishing et al.

Here's hoping..

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twelve98•

We all know SC could give AF as it doesn’t help their bottom line

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tausif-sahat•

Lets hope supercell do something about it as soon as possible..

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Iridescentdragoon•

I get it, they have enough time and energy for new scenery and new heroes skin every month but not account security, cuz that just too complicated. Yeah, totally makes sense.

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throwingcakes•

Its INSANE how this much account phishing is possible 🤣🤣🤣. What a fucking joke

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