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The original New York Jets logo is a fighter aircraft

Opinion

I often hear it's a passenger Jet. It's not. The old 1963 Jets logo is a fighter. I can understand the confusion, as the 1963 logo looks a lot like passenger Jets of today. But when you look at fighter jets of old you can see the difference.

First, let's take a look at a quick quote from the Jets:

https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new-2411290

Werblin, the club's new president and CEO, renamed the team the Jets. The reasons were twofold. At the time, the United States was entering the "Space Age" or "Jet Age."

What is the Jet Age? Glad you asked!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Age

The term "Jet Age" was coined in the late 1940s.[1] At the time, the only jet-powered aircraft in production were military types, most of which were fighters. The expression reflects the recognition that the jet engine had effected, or would soon, a profound change in aeronautics and aviation.

So let's take a look at the logo itself and for why it's a fighter and not a passenger plane or cargo plane.

Major features of the 1963 Jets logo:

  • Bubble Canopy. The bubble canopy is a defining fighter feature of the time. Fighter canopies tend to slope upwards then downwards. Fighter canopies, being fairly small aircraft, tend to extend to the wing. So you’ll get sloping from the start of the fuselage all the way to the wings. Commercial airliners, being significantly larger, will slope upwards rapidly, then level off for a long distance before the wings, then continue being level past the wings.
  • Sloping fuselage: Passenger airliners are almost rectangular in shape, but with curved edges. Like a cigar. Fighters slope inwards and get narrower once past the canopy.
  • Engines: Lacks wing engines, a feature of passenger jets. Instead it appears more like side inlets for a twin engine fighter, or possibly a nose inlet for a single engine fighter.

Now that you've seen those, here are some of the existing jets of the time. Look at them and decide which you think look more like the Jets logo.

Old passenger jets:

  • Comet: Link Notice the cigar shaped fuselage. It remains flat until the very end. Also notice there is no bubble canopy.
  • DC-8: Link Body is way too long for the cockpit. Also has engines the jets logo doesn’t show.
  • Boeing 720: Link Same as above.
  • Dash 80: Link Same as above.
  • Convair 990: Link

Old jet fighters:

  • F-84 Thunderstreak: Link This one is the most striking. Slide the cockpit up slightly and round off the nose and you have a perfect copy.
  • F-11 Tiger Link
  • F-3 Demon: Link
  • F-86 Sabre: Link

I'd bet if I found the F-84 at just the right angle, the Jets 1963 logo would overlay on it near perfectly. I'll buy reddit gold (or make a small donation to a charity of their choice) if anyone can find a fit at almost the exact angle of the Jets logo. It's gotta be out there somewhere.

And not really proof of any kind, but the owner of the NHL Winnipeg Jets seemed to think in 1979 that it referenced fighter Jets.

So either the fact it looks like a fighter and not a passenger is coincidence. And the NHL owner got it wrong. And the Jets CEO misspoke when he said it was a reference to the Jet age.... Or it's a fighter. One of those two.

Posted Jun 27, 2022, 5:20 PM UTC

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JeezusChristIII:CoachSaleh:•

Simplest answer is always the correct answer. they played at Shea, which has a lot of commercial planes flying over all the time.

End of story.

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Nicks-Dad•

Always knew this. The planes from nearby LaGuardia airport flew right over Shea (for the Jets and Mets). Never heard any other reason.

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mtzgr•

I like how you just ignore this part of the article you linked:

Commercial airlines were filling the air and soon there would be men walking on the moon. Also, the Jets' new venue, Shea Stadium, would be located in Flushing Meadows, between LaGuardia and Idlewild (later renamed Kennedy) airports.

It was not a fighter jet.

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sergeantorourke•

I don’t know how anyone would think any different. Am I the only one here who ever took the 7 train to Shea?

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IamLars•

It looks as much like the de Havilland DH Comet airliner pictured in your wiki link as it looks like any of the fighters you linked.

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SlutMachine•

Probably why they there was no reference picture of the logo in question. I appreciate the time and effort on this but I can’t say I’m sold on the idea.

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ichbineinschweinhund:LogoOldOval:•

I think the guys at McMann & Tate just wanted to capture the essence of the jet age (fast, powerful) when they designed the logo.

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Takachakaka:Retired_Klecko: Joe Klecko•

Wrong. The logo is actually Jet Li. The Jets name was introduced in 1963, the same year that Li was born. Coincidence? I think not.

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tell the folks at home what the jet age is.

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hondajvx•

Sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook to me.

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Darcer•

If you keep saying that I’m going to leave

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soggywaffle69•

It was an artist’s rendition of a jet. Not a fighter, bomber, cargo, or passenger jet. Just a jet. This is like debating the tribe Chief Wahoo belonged to.

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HotKingChocolate•

Never knew people thought the logo was a passenger jet. It’s always looked like a fighter jet to me.

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Desertstarr•

Same, but I like the idea made by another redditor that because they played at shea it could be a nodd to passenger jets.

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CaptainBunderpants:OtherJoeDWizard: •

Passengers > Fighters any day.

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DenisDomaschke:CoachWeebEwbank: Weeb Ewbank•

Yeah those early 60s passengers jets have a level of coolness that kinda surpasses that of fighter jets

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AmputatorBot•

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ichbineinschweinhund:LogoOldOval:•

Clicked the first link and learned that the 1961 NY Titans had a Safety named Dick Felt. Some days I just thank G-d for the internet!

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Quardener:Retired_Chrebet: Wayne Chrebet•

It should be a fighter jet anyways. Fighter jets are fierce and fast like a football team should be. That, combined with NYCs history with passenger jets, idk it seems like a no brainer to me.

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mc_webdev•

Damn we were almost the NY Gothams? That could have been really cool

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Will_Smiths_Cousin:TeamWilson::theduke::gwilson: Wilson³•

Good call OP, definitely a fighter Jet!

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CosmicWy•

this is the offseason content i crave for. thank you, friend.

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FoolInTheDesert•

It’s a cartoonish passenger jet. The jets played in between LaGuardia and Idlewild! And the shape of the fuselage, which was clearly exaggerated to create space for the ‘J’, actually looks a lot like the 747 which officially debuted a few years later which is pretty cool because the 747 is the most iconic aircraft of the jet age

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hondajvx•

Flying in the 1960's was the shit..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKaeIhGT368

The people in first class got lobster tails and champagne. I mean even the folks in coach got a hot meal and look at all the room. They have full size cafeteria trays.

Flying was a luxury item.

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mc_webdev•

I absolutely hate flying man. It’s a bunch of people packed into an uncomfortable tiny room for several hours on end. Wish things weren’t all about maximizing profit nowadays

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East_Refuse•

Whatever it is I can assure you it’s not that deep 😂

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AlexRain1•

An amazingly well thought out post that doesn't link to a picture of the logo.

It's well known that the Jets name was because of the planes that flew over Shae. It's a poorly drawn passenger jet.

Great research. The next logo should 100% be a fighter jets.

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BrooklynJet97:CoachSaleh2:•

You're a real one for this. Awesome post.

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