how to learn in open tunings?

Question

Hi all, I really love messing around on acoustic guitar in open d minor, c#g#c#d#a#c (unsure of this tuning name) and open d to name three ones I love. Problem is I am time poor, and would love to know how I should go about learning to play in these tunings, such as where do I find chords, scales etc? Usually I can choose a key, and standard tuning has a heap of resources, but this is hard to find a key and the tuning it goes with, if it even works this way? Can anyone point me in the direction at all? Thanks heaps 👍

Posted Sep 7, 2022, 11:04 AM UTC

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BunkytheClown•

It's easier if you learn how to figure chords out yourself, and then you can work with any tuning imaginable. A little bit of basic music theory goes a long way.

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Happycreamcheese•

Take it a step further by writing something on a keyboard/in a DAW or what have you first, and then figure out how to tune to play that thing on your guitar B)

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smegmaroni•

You can also approach it from the other direction - playing in an alternate tuning will force you outside of the patterns and shapes you're used to and now you're playing by feel/ear.

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LesDrosophiles•

Try World of Tuning, at https://ragajunglism.org/tunings/

This is the best source I found on all possible alternate tunings, what genres you can play with every tuning, artists that have popularized each alternate tunings and even videos! Have fun!

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avocado_lover69•

This is such a great resource! I see an alternate tuning rabbit hole in my future....

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ArcticFox237•

For a bigger but less detailed list check out the Guitar Tuning Database: gtdb.org

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MankindRedefined•

I got a 404 error when following the link :(

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isochromanone•

Works for me. Reddit formatting may be behaving differently on browser vs. mobile.

https://ragajunglism.org/tunings/

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MankindRedefined•

Thank you that link works for me now

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LesDrosophiles•

thanks for the heads up, link corrected

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kevinzvilt•

This is fun. Thanks for sharing.

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stanley_bobanleyGuitarist & Composer•

The best onramp here is to learn songs in alternate tunings. Two bands I really milked as a kid that have taught me many, many open tunings are Led Zeppelin and The Tea Party. If neither of these resonate with you I still recommend you find folks writing songs with open tunings and then learn to play them. That gives you a better sense for how to use open tunings than any static list of shapes or something.

Besides, playing in open tunings is more than just learning familiar scales and chord shapes with your strings tuned differently. It's a whole paradigm shift where unique voicings become possible. You might not even know the names for chords possible when in Layover or open Bm or something.

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ToneDeafComposer•

Also, study the music of Ani DiFranco. One of the best guitarists ever, utilizing every imaginable open tuning.

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Caedro•

Ani is absolutely brilliant. Evolve is one of the best albums I’ve ever heard.

Joni Mitchell is another who has a lot of experimentation in different tunings.

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ToneDeafComposer•

Evolve is one of my favorites. I saw her twice on that tour.

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Jongtr•

c#g#c#d#a#c (unsure of this tuning name)

Does that really have C on top, or do you mean C#? If you do mean C natural, it's a half-step from this one: https://gtdb.org/dadebcs. And that looks like the site you need to work out chords in any other tuning you want.

Bear in mind that a lot of players who use these alternative tunings work by ear, and don't really care what the names are of the chords they are playing. I.e., they "learn to play" in these tunings by just playing - finding what sounds good. (Of course, usually they are experienced players in EADGBE to begin with, and probably could work out the chords if they wanted to.)

But if you do care - and you've come a to a theory site, so I guess you do! - then learn (a) the notes on the fretboard (in whatever tuning you choose) and (b) a bit of basic chord structure theory (root-3rd-5th and so on).

Here's a couple of videos you might find interesting on open tunings in general:

Danny Thompson on John Martyn's "Inside Out"("He didn't know chords either, doesn't matter...")

Martin Carthy and Jim Moray

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bumpyknuckles76OP•

I do play these tunings by ear, and it's likely the best way. I will be able to learn the fretboard notes in the tunings and put chords together. Just going to take some time I guess...I'll write out my own scale charts etc. And yes it is a C. It's the tuning of Alesund by Sun kil moon. I really love the sound of it Thanks!

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Jongtr•

Cool. Just make sure you're exploiting the sounds those tunings give you. There's no sense in struggling to construct chords which are familiar (and easier) in other tunings. I.e. go with the tuning, don't fight it.

I.e.: (1) find a cool chord; (2) work out the notes and use chord theory to identify the chord. But if you need to remember it, draw a box diagram (or tab it), don't just write down the chord name!

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th3guitarman•

Don't fight the tuning, that's a great tip, thank you

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Dr-Edward-Poe•

alesund tuning

Theory, in general, would help. If you know C major chord is made of C, E, G, it doesn't matter what the tuning is. You change your fingering based on the tuning to hold the proper notes.

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ToneDeafComposer•

This is how I learned all my chords in standard tuning. Works for alternate tunings as well.

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runtimemess•

Trevor Wong on YouTube has some good videos on popular Emo/Math Rock alternative tunings. (FACGCE and DAEAC#E)

He'll go over basic chord shapes and go through the process of mapping out the fretboard for specific keys.

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kevinzvilt•

Here's where I learned mine. http://nickdraketabs.co.uk/

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SilvanSorceress•

Chord.Rocks and Fretastic are both great for chords and scales

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thavi•

Watch some Andy McKee lessons. He often explains the tunings and rationale behind his choices. I saw him live recently and he tunes (by ear) between each song. Someone in the audience joked we could just listen to him tune the whole show. I agree, he's a wizard.

https://youtu.be/jFbZaroXQBY

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rochefort799•

Learn some basic music theory, once you know what notes a chord is made of you can just find your own variations whatever the tuning.

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TheGhostOfKyle•

I just got an alternate tuning chord book, it’s a great resource. I love the Wild West nature of open tunings and not really knowing what’s going on. Opens up a lot of room for experimenting. Sounds like you’re having fun with it I hope.

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ceesalt87•

Here's what's worked for me...

Pick a song you like in that uses that open tuning, and learn it based of tablature. Become familiar with the chord fingerings by playing it as often as you like. Once you have that memorized, learn the same song (in the same key) in standard tuning, by just reading the chord chart. It will sound different with the different chord voicings of course, but the song will be there. Get the chord progression in standard tuning memorized.

Flip between playing the song in each tuning, and eventually you will develop a mental connection of what chords the open tuning fingerings actually are, not just their shapes. Do this with as many songs in that tuning as you can, to develop your vocabulary of chords in that tuning.

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jonesman8•

I’ve often struggled with this. I know standard tuning well, and also can get along in like open e or c6 (from playing steel guitars). But when it comes to something like dadgad im totally lost. I can analyze what im playing but that comes after the fact, where in standard I know exactly what im doing.

What helps me is to get into the mindset that each tuning offers something unique, what’s the point of playing stuff you know in standard in open f for example. Use what the tuning gives you

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jeharris56•

Do it by ear.

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Beneficial_Cloud_601•

Other people in the thread have a lot of information already, but I would just like to say that learning arpeggios is a really good way to memories chords, since you can often get multiple notes per string. Just make sure you say out loud if the note you are playing is the first, third or 5th.

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reverse-69•

Stumbling upon sounds on an open tuning is what it's all about. Esp if you're a songwriter, going in bling and looking at it as a new land that's never been explored, will throw a billion ideas on your head.

I'd suggest just start fretting random notes and strum them to get a feel and move them around. This ll tickle your curiosity and then you'll start to map them out yourself. Which is a lot more fun than doing it using theory, cause you have a sense of your own understanding that you can now use in different combinations.

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xiipaoccomposer, arranging, Jewish ethnomusicologist•

I'm sorry, I'm not much of a guitar player, but... how does the string tuning make any sort of difference regarding scales? Just play the notes, but in the new tuning. You want to play D minor? Play D E F G A Bb C. Why does the fingering on the instrument matter here?

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Zoesan•

As a guitar player: We are trained monkeys. Scales are not notes, they are fretboard positions.

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exscape•

I mean, it matters because it's hard to know how to play D E F G A Bb C in a tuning you're not familiar with. Imagine playing a piano where all the notes are rearranged; it'll take a while before your brain (and especially your muscle memory) knows how to move between notes without effort.

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xiipaoccomposer, arranging, Jewish ethnomusicologist•

it matters because it's hard to know how to play D E F G A Bb C in a tuning you're not familiar with

It's hard to know it intuitively in your fingers, but if you know what the notes are, this is something you should be able to figure out without a lot of trouble! And then of course you can practice it until you do know it in your fingers. And it's the same for standard tuning too. There's no, like, "secret of how to play D minor on tuning X". It's just playing the notes, and that means figuring them out if you haven't already.

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LonerismLonerism•

open tunings are really only used for playing chords in different voicings (utilizing open strings for a drone like effect) and rarely used for scales.

So yeah, OP doesn’t need to work too hard on figuring out the scales aspect.

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