How loud are speakers supposed to play?

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Like, what should I expect? I just bought a pair of Elac Vela FS 409, and was listening to music through Spotify. For some reason, Spotify is hella loud even at low volumes. 20/100 on the volume scale is more than enough for me, but then i accidentally raised to to like 2/3 of the volume scale that my amp has. I think I have some OCD when it comes to speakers, because now I'm not listening to music anymore, but testing if my speakers were damaged instead. So... this raises the question, how loud should this type of speaker (floor-standing, price range of 6k $) be able to play without any damage?

To be clear, they sound amazing and all, but in my mind i have somehow damaged them which in some way affects their performance.

Posted Sep 13, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC · edited

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Mugatu68•

As loud as you don't hear distortion. Most high end speakers can be the death of your hearing if you listen to them at their full potential too often. If they sound amazing to you, they are unlikely broken. The sensitivity of a speaker will also affect how loud they play even at low volume from the amplifier.

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dannydigtlGenelec, RME, Dirac, B&W, Purifi, NAD, JBL•

Probably a lot louder than you think.

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bigbura•

What's the amps rating in watts per channel and how does that compare to the speakers recommended amp power in watts?

If they are in each other's range and you didn't hear mad levels of distortion during the 'event' then things should be fine. What typically happens with over-extending an amp is the amp sending square waves due to clipping, melting the tweeters due to high levels of ultrasonic hash from the distorted amp output.

So if the tweeters sound like they did before you may be in the clear. The only way to know you've burnt the tweeters' voice coils is to look at them. You may be able to smell burnt smells from the tweeters but I figure they wouldn't be working if things got so hot you could smell burning after the fact.

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turtlewithdownsOP•

Amp is 100 W per channel (Marantz model 40n) and the speakers are 200 watt RMS. To be honest I don't really know exactly what these numbers mean.

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APocketRhink•

You have a stereo receiver with amp built in powering your speakers, and allegedly they could handle twice the power you’re currently giving them just fine.

I recently got a Marantz receiver and a pair of tower speakers as well, and I’ve not put it past 60 on the volume. 30-40 is a comfortable background audio level for conversations, 45 you gotta talk a bit louder, 50 and 55 you can hear it easily from outside the apt. The one time I had Nina Simone singing feeling good at 60, I could not hear my partner talking to me in the other, and then she yelled at me to turn it down!

Needless to say, your speakers would probably give you serious hearing damage before you reached the point of damaging the speakers. Enjoy your high quality audio, friend :)

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RMS means ‘root mean square’ it’s a type of averaging.

If you took a continuous power measurement over time and took the square of every measurement, average them together and get the square root of the average the result that’s this measure is. Audio is an AC signal, so at any given time the wattage varies. Watts RMS is a way to express this variation with a single number.

Your amplifier is capable of delivering 100W - that’s 100W all at once. Like if you fed it a DC signal and turned up the volume all the way and measured it across an 4-ohm resistor, you should see 100W passing through that load (DO NOT DO THIS).

So, no. Even if you delivered a 100w spike of current to your speaker it wouldn’t have harmed anything. In theory you could play your speakers at 100% all the time seven days a week and they’d be fine, because the RMS wattage your speaker is seeing way less than that.

Even if your speakers saw 100W RMS, you wouldn’t be close to to rated power handling of the speaker.

So yeah, it’s going to be loud, that’s because these speakers are capable of producing 89dB per watt at 1 meter - so you can imagine what throwing 60W is going to sound like!

But did you damage your speakers? Absolutely not. They over-engineer these speakers to handle anything you throw at them.

‘Blowing speakers’ was really more of an issue with cheap 80s department store fartblasters that were designed to be as loud and as cheap as possible. As a result small coils on giant 12 or 15” drivers using cheap materials and adhesives were used and so after several months at playing near the speaker’s power handling they’d fail.

One day a Gen X teenager would crank the volume and they’d blow out, either mechanically or thermally and they’d brag about how that one time ‘they blew the speaker’; in reality it was the cumulative effect of months of abuse.

(Speakers can, ofcourse, catastrophically fail, too but this is unlikely, especially with the component systems popular in the 80s)

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dscottjGoldenEar Triton 1/Pioneer SC-89/Matrix Audio Element M•

All correct, but I'd like to add that if you abuse the amp by making it clip, the sound it sends can and will damage speakers. This is REALLY OBVIOUS and will usually take some time to accomplish on higher-end stuff, so as noted OP is fine.

I have an example: About six months after the Triton 1s came out a guy over on AVS (I think) explained how awesome Sandy (founder and then-owner of T1's manufacturer, GoldenEar) was with customer service. It turned out the T1 owner made a classic parenting mistake, straight out of Risky Business: he'd left his 17 year-old son in charge of the house while he traveled. The son naturally threw a big dance party letting the DJ spin tunes through dad's stereo. Very loud, continuous dance music in a crowd of teens who wouldn't know a clipped signal if it bit them on the a-. Sure enough, the next day the speakers simply didn't work. The owner called GE support and, as was usual back then, Sandy answered. The owner came clean and asked how much the parts would cost. Sandy was surprised and a little embarrassed that the speakers had failed even though they'd never been engineered for that kind of abuse, and so covered the repairs under warranty. I can't recall what happened to the son. Hopefully it involved cleaning toilets with a toothbrush or some other such punishment.

So anyway, especially with higher-end speakers and a proper amp, you can play them louder than you can stand but if they start making very harsh, obviously messed up sound, turn it down until it stops.

But with the speakers & amp we're talking about here, IMO it'd take something extraordinary for that to happen.

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[deleted]•

I think you’re referring more to distortion than clipping, “clipping’, in the normal sense, should never happen so long as you aren’t doing something weird with preamplification or is poorly designed.

In either case though, sure - and at in the case of distortion it’s kind of hard to predict what the amp actually saw because by its nature the amplifier is in a less than ideal state.

Also in this story we also don’t know what kind of amplification was being provided. I have about 400W per channel total going to my JBL 580. If one of my kids dumped all 400w onto them they’d be toast.

That’s why I put a volume limit on my AVR. I wish my 2ch preamp that I use for more serious listening also had this feature.

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clock_watcher•

If you look at the specs for your speakers, their "sensitivity" is 89dB. It means that with 1W of amplification, from a listening distance of 1m, you will get 89dB.

89dB is fucking loud. For reference, 85dB is the point where exposure causes permanent hearing damage. And you have the amplification power to go WAY louder. Each time you double the amplification W you gain 3 dB in volume. eg 1W = 89dB, 2W = 92dB, 4W = 95dB

Plus, as these are well constructed speakers with large woofers, they will happily crank out higher volumes without breaking sweat. You could play music well into >100db and the only thing you'll damage is your ears.

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Human_G_Gnome•

If there is no buzzing or obviously missing range or sound then it is highly unlikely that you damaged them.

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aducxf•

You’ve said it all; you’ve damaged them only in your mind. Your speakers are okay, they aren’t damaged. I’ve had this same feeling with my speakers, I’ve even had them checked by a professional and it turned out that they were okay. As it turns out, they are able to play pretty loud. Much louder than I expected them to be able to. Relax and enjoy your speakers!

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amBush-Predator•

Whatever your ears can take.

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dscottjGoldenEar Triton 1/Pioneer SC-89/Matrix Audio Element M•

At that price point, you're not going to hurt them.

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HiImTheNewGuyGuy•

That's what the wattage and sensitivity values tell you.

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EIDDIEBADEDDIE•

They are fine. Don’t worry. Just play it as loud as you want. You’d be surprised what it takes to damage a speaker. Believe me.

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Ivanka_Gorgonzola•

There will be no mistaking when you've melted a component, it will sound, smell and look different/damaged. 2/3 on the volume scale isn't 2/3 of the power, more like 3% due to the whole logarithmic thing, although it seems like each amp is different in this

Any half-decent floorstanding speaker will destroy the hearing of those in the room before suffering damage itself as well, several times over. My much lower quality speakers than yours are ridiculously loud (makes children flee the house in panic) at 10 Watts a piece. How well do you think Elac would be doing if any customer that turned the volume up over 50% on their amp would have their product needing repair, customer service is a hard job already as it is.

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39pine•

Sorry they are destroyed, but I will give you 500 bucks for them.

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turtlewithdownsOP•

Now I definitively know they are not damaged 😉

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39pine•

Have fun

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turtlewithdownsOP•

This community seems to be very knowledgeable! Thanks everyone, I feel much better. Like I said, the speakers sound phenomenal, it's just a mental thing

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liquidends•

i personally dont like it loud, the best time for me to listen to music is midnight before i sleep, when things are quiet. just make sure you put away your phone and the lights are off....:)

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markr87•

If they were damaged, you would notice, it would be very obvious, sounds like they are fine, so enjoy

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sinadoh•

Up to 11

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Active-Tutor8496•

As loud as possible. Like in Back yo the Future! Crank them all up. Kidding

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