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Sealing families is very important in the LDS Church. It's how you are "together forever." Is this more significant than placement in the kingdoms? For example, a family of good people all go to the Telestial Kingdom. They aren't sealed, but they are physically together. Is this family any less bound together than a celestial family? Is it any less "forever?"

Flipping that, how about a sealed, believing family, where some don't make it to the Celestial Kingdom. The members in the Telestial Kingdom are apparently not free to simply visit, but can be visited. They are not physically close to their family, but are sealed. Is this family more or less "together" or "forever" than the f

The AP story dropped on August 4th. It's been almost two months. Zero announced changes to any policy. Zero explanation of the damning evidence that shows the hotline prioritizes Church indemnity over child safety. The Church will presumably still use penitent privelege to avoid reporting child rape when they have the option.

I wonder how many cases have been covered up in just these two months? Perhaps leadership has been too busy writing conference talks to remember Jesus' words about millstones.

I want to talk about this idea. Sparked by an exmo thread about Patrick Mason.

As an apologetic that allows room for the Church to still be true from a believers' perspective, it's great.

But what if a prospective member has reservations about Joseph Smith and other prophets marrying and in some cases fathering children with minors? Is it reasonable to expect a person to believe this?

How can you tell what's from God and what isn't? How is an external, non-member observer supposed to react to a member who acknowledges that LDS prophets married children, if that member still reveres the perpetrator and implicitly trusts every other thing they've done? How is this apologetic different fr

They excommunicated him for it. None of them reported. Is that a systemic enough problem yet? Or did they just all coincidentally make the same poor moral choice?

Two bishops, a helpline operator, and several other priesthood holders. Leaders in the church.

If you're going to stick with the line that all of these people had the same lapse in moral judgment, doesn't that start to imply an issue with Mormon morals? When does it stop being a bad apple and become a systemic issue? Two? Five? Ten? How many people have to keep it quiet before you'll admit something else is going on?

Seriously. Someone please explain to me how members come out of the AP article defending the church. Even if you don't believe it's a coverup, being the most charitable I can be, the fact is an LDS Church representative gave a bishop incorrect information about state law and instructed that bishop to not report child abuse.

A disciplinary council was held and the rapist was excommunicated. No one can argue his crimes weren't known. I don't know how many people are on a council. Enough.

Those are facts. The church knew he abused his daughter. The church chose to not report it.

That is the most charitable scenario. An unknown representative of the Church telling a bishop for u

A follow up to my post yesterday. The Mormon church released a statement. They have no plans to fix this.

So, what do good Mormons do when they're part of a church that covers up child rape and then lies about it while maintaining they did nothing wrong?

The organization is evil. The members...well, that sort of depends on their actions now. If it takes it happening to your kids to want to change it, that says a lot about you. Inaction is consent.

Make no mistake: if you think the LDS Church did not intentionally hide child rape, you are wrong. Open your eyes.

To the tune of "Do What Is Right." My favorite hymn.

1. Do what you can; to cover for corporate

Never tell anyone what you have heard

Keep your mouth shut or you'll get your ass sued off

We could afford to, but won't do what's right

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Chorus

Keep your mouth shut while we beef up our stock price

Don't tell a soul or you'll ruin us all

She's just a girl, a nothing, a no one

Eyes on the prize boy, or you'll take the fall

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2. Keep your mouth shut; her pain's not important

Let her dad rape her for years of her life

Our coffers are full and we're keeping it that way

You keep your eyes closed while our fists curl tight

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3. Oh Money, our Lord, our

So, big sex abuse story. 5 hours in. One of the faithful subs hasn't posted it, the other one removed it.

What does it take for believers to admit there is a problem and do something about it? The first comment on the removed post was about how bad the people who enabled it are. No acknowledgement that it's official LDS policy that caused this. Those bishops were told, by representatives of the LDS Church, to let a girl continue to live with her rapist.

I've said this before and I'll say it again now, I remember when the Catholics had a child rape problem and we were so smug about it because we were better. Where is that attitude now?

At what point do you recognize that it's n

Assume Mormonism=true. Assume all ordinances Joseph Smith was involved in were legitimate ordinances. That means at least two ordinances that existed then were lost. The modern church does not have the authority to seal a person as a servant, nor do they have the authority to seal a girl to a prophet in a sexual or non-sexual relationship that guarantees salvation for her family.

Which means either Joseph was a fraud, or the church is in apostasy. Mostly this is just to piss people off, check my logic before I use it.

Sometimes you get everything. Had a really good conversation with my mother yesterday. She was always the parent I blamed most since she drove the religious involvement of our family.

It actually started because I was kind of having a panic attack, but of course after that was resolved we got on the topic of the church. I explained that it took a really long time for me to get over being angry at her specifically but that I now understand she was a victim too. I got unconditional apologies and other positive affirmation I needed. It was a good moment.

This morning, she texted me saying she found Quitmormon.com and was writing her and my dad's letters, and said if I wrote mine we'd driv

Joseph Fielding McConkie and Craig Ostler published a research paper claiming the rock in a hat was a hoax. Later, it was revealed that the LDS Church had it the whole time.

This doesn't show that the church lies. It does, however, show that they're perfectly happy to let others lie for them, and won't attempt to correct the record. It is also clear proof that the rock was, at at least one point in Mormonism, considered apocryphal. Had the church always been truthful and up front about its history, the paper wouldn't have existed.

Edit: [Link](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/Rel121/Process%2520of%2520Translating%2520the