Is desire basically lucifer from the lucifer series
I thought to ask this because in the lucifer series lucifer looks into people's eyes and asks what do you desire
Posted Mar 30, 2023, 11:27 PM UTC
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No.
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No, Lucifer is Lucifer from the Lucifer series.
But the rights to Lucifer and The Sandman aren't held by the same people (both shows have Netflix as a distributor though), so Sandman cast Gwendoline Christie instead of getting Tom Ellis. Same reason Constantine is "Joanna" Constantine played by Jenna Coleman, instead of John Constantine played by Matt Ryan.
Besides, the Tom Ellis show isn't exactly faithful to the Lucifer comics anyway, so it'd be weird for Ellis to appear as the character in Sandman even if the rights weren't a thing since they feel like entirely different characters.
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I also read somewhere that Tom Ellis’ depiction of Lucifer wouldn’t work in the Sandman.
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It barely works in the Lucifer show, Ellis is a great actor but damn, that show has some of the most cringe-worthy writing I've ever seen.
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Nah, Lucifer is Lucifer from the Lucifer series
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Neil Gaiman created the Sandman mythos that the Lucifer comics are a spin-off from.
The Lucifer TV show has very little in common with the comics despite being ‘based on them’ and took inspiration from the Endless when allocating powers to the angels in Lucifer.
My understanding is there was a [thankfully] failed pitch that wanted to create a Sandman show where Dream and Lucifer were brothers and the Lucifer TV show spawned from that.
So yes, in some ways the TV show Lucifer is heavily inspired by Desire, but there’s a lot of differences too. Similarly, the other angels in the Lucifer show are loosely based on the Endless.
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It was actually a Sandman movie script Jon Peters wrote, Corinthian was also added as Dream’s brother too and was to involve giant mechanical spiders for some reason (that’s Jon Peters for you, wanted to do the same in Superman Lives), it was according to Neil Gaiman, the worst script he had ever seen.
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Let’s be thankful for the quality of the show we got. It could have so easily gone wrong; case in point Netflix’s Lucifer. I hadn’t read Sandman/Lucifer prior to the announcement of the Netflix Sandman show so I can’t imagine the disappointment Lucifer fans must have had with Netflix Lucifer. It might as well be an entirely original property. The license feels completely superfluous
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Totally agree with you about Lucifer, I have not seen the show but I am currently reading Mike Carey’s Lucifer (very brilliant and Neil himself speaks very fondly of it) and the two are extremely different from each other that the show is one of the loosest adaptations I have ever heard of it. For example, there’s no Chloe Decker in the comics and Mazikeen’s characterisation is very different from the comics in the show from what Ive heard. Im sure the show is a good show in its own right but Mike Carey’s Lucifer is completely beyond its league and was able to get acclaim similar to Sandman as well.
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I don't hate the show, but why even buy the rights to something that you not gonna use at the end?
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I had read somewhere (maybe Reddit, not sure) that outlined how in the show Lucifer, the angels portrayed different aspects of the Endless. Lucifer did the desire thing. The Angel that controlled patterns was like Destiny and so on. It was a very good thesis that made me admire the writers of Lucifer even more as they slyly incorporated Sandman elements into the show.
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Found what I had read.
Endless of Sandman represented as Angels in Lucifer TV Series : Sandman (reddit.com)
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Yeah but it makes no sense, Satan was the temptator, Lucifer was all about Pride and willpower, makes no sense to turn him into an "Avatar" for desire, this made me dislike the Lucifer writers even more, lol.
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Lucifer is Lucifer from Sandman
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OP very valid question about Lucifer and his mojo luring people with their utmost desires and Desire.
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No. Not even a little bit.
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Definitely not. Lucifer the show started as an adaptation of its spin-off from the Sandman comics.
In the comics, Desire was teased in the first issue of Sandman, and Lucifer only shows up in issue 3. After the series ended, Lucifer got a spin-off to explore his character a little more and to be a kind of inverse of the Sandman series itself.
Further, Desire is a cosmic function, and Lucifer is the will of god. They are wholly separate entities. While Lucifer uses people’s desires to lure people into his machinations, Desire is desire.
Thanks for telling me
Very eloquently explained!
Yes. This. Desire is Desire. Thank you.
That's just for TV Lucifer, who actually behaves like some lowly lust demon/incubus instead of you know, being the personification of God's Willpower, like in the comics.
This is mostly right, but Lucifer definitely shows up later on in Sandman (the comic).
Edit: My mistake - just realized that "only shows up" is referring to when Lucifer is introduced, not saying that they were only in the one issue.