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PrimalPower

Completed Build: Semi-Passive SM560

Completed Pics:

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What originally started as a case transfer ended up as an "almost" completely new build. I decided on a modern CPU when I came to terms with my severe CPU bottleneck, and that my i5-6500 could not keep up with MH: World (my FPS hardly differed between 1080p and 1440p and microstuttered regardless of what I did). Because neither my MOBO or CPU supported overclocking, I realized I had very few options left.

Relevant Specs:

  • GPU: MSI GTX 1060 6gb
  • MOBO: ASUS ROG b450-f
  • RAM: Trident Z Neo (2 x 8Gb), ddr4 3600, CAS 16
  • CPU: Ryzen 3700x

Build Experience: Building in the Sliger was not particularly difficult. I think 12 L hits a sweet spot where the fit isn't tight enough to pose any challenges. If going Semi-Passive, the Shadow Rock LP makes mounting the motherboard somewhat difficult, you have to angle your placement because there's little clearance for the heatsink.

Key Decisions:

Although Sliger is known for the vented option, I went with unvented side panels. My current dinky apt has a huge dust problem. 2 weeks is enough to see a microscopic layer of dust on any untouched surface. I'm not responsible enough to remember to dust my computer every few months (I know it's not hard, but if you know me, simple things require more effort than difficult things). I wanted to take advantage of the DemiFilters on the bottom, so I switched to the windowed panels.

There didn't seem to be many performance differences between semi-passive and an air-cooler if I had already restricted the airflow with unvented side panels, so I said why not for semi-passive.

I chose the 3700x over 3600 because I was paranoid about future-proofing my CPU. I bought the i5-6500 when the internet considered it THE budget processor, and within two years, it couldn't keep up. These fundamental decisions led to temp issues that I'll discuss below.

Temps:

I didn't realize that the 3700x runs hot, even for regular rigs. Therefore, the processor would get uncomfortably/dangerously hot in this SFF case. The CPU hits the mid-60s in the BIOS, would idle in the mid-40s, and the slightest load would put it in the 60s. Gaming would put it in the high 70s and low 80s, and a stress-test put it in the 90s within minutes before I decided to stop the test. I was paranoid about the longevity of the CPU under these conditions, and the fans of the Noctuas would drive me nuts once it passed 70%.

I got my temps under control with an undervolt and an underclock. I had no experience with any manual tampering of the CPU. To undervolt? Wtf is PPT? It was a lot of information at once, and everyone had different opinions, which I would have to test for myself. /u/IceAcolyte had a good recommendation in this comment.

I undervolted to 1.2V max and underclocked to 3.6 GHZ max in Ryzen Master. Idle temps got under control to high 30s low 40s. Temps under load settle in the mid-60s. Stress test temps peak at mid 75.

Future Plans:

I'm nerfing my CPU a bit, but for now, it doesn't seem to matter. My GPU is the bottleneck now, and I don't plan to upgrade it for 1 or 2 more generations. I hit a stable 60+ fps in MH: W at 1080p and 40 fps at 1440p, with the vast majority of superfluous settings at max. There's no micro stuttering at all like there used to, and G-Sync takes care of the rest.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Eco-Mode will offer once it's released.

Eventually, I'm going to want to switch to an AIO for better temps and getting my money's worth. Unfortunately, it looks like only Asetek offers a 92mm AIO, and those are rarely in stock too. With the GPU bottleneck, I don't need to upgrade immediately, and I hope there are more options 1-2 years down the road.

Other difficulties:

I've had to turn off RGB completely. ASUS's software does not recognize the motherboard, so I can't control anything or get the RAM to sync with the motherboard backlights. Many people have the issue, and fixing it is more trial and error than anything else. I spent 4 hours Saturday Night trying different things without success, I can't waste any more time, so I've turned it all off. The RGB issues are such a shame since ASUS already charges a premium on their product.

Posted Nov 11, 2019, 7:33 PM UTC · edited

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Sligerjack•

Sweet build!

We have the 645LT in stock, if you were so inclined;)

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PrimalPowerOP•

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass. Like I mentioned, the CPU isn't bottlenecking me anymore so I can afford to upgrade later.

Plus I'm planning a big move across the country so don't want to risk it with an AIO.

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chadmccan•

You'll be fine without it. It doesn't work much better than the other coolers.

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PrimalPowerOP•

Not from what I've heard. I've heard the aio does a pretty damn good job in the dan a4.

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chadmccan•

Well I doubt the Dan case works much different than the sm560 but I currently own and have tested the Asetek, Bog Shirken 3 and the Black Ridge and they are all very close in temps. So I’m not going by what I’ve heard.

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PrimalPowerOP•

Whenever I switch to AIO will I need to change fan direction to exhaust?

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Unique_Material•

Instead of undervolting and underclocking, why not just limit the PPT target?

Especially when gaming, you won't give up single thread performance. Limiting the PPT will only have a large impact on multi-core performance.

Undervolting and underclocking will affect both ST and MT workloads.

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Facefivemon•

How do you do this?

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Unique_Material•

Use your motherboard BIOS settings. Or, use Ryzen Master, which is AMD's own desktop GUI. You can find the documentation for that here: https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/ryzen-master-quick-reference-guide.pdf

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Facefivemon•

Forgive my ignorance, but I meant more "what's the approach to doing this". I've never even heard of PPT until today and I was wondering what it entails (googling CPU PPT just comes up with a lot of PowerPoint presentations haha)

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Unique_Material•

I challenge you to interpret and understand this graph: pbs.twimg.com/media/D_mJ2PAU4AEJ4Ii.png

If that "clicks" for you, you'll be able to make the determination on what to value to set your PPT.

If its not clicking, then remember that Package Power Tracking (PPT) is the power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket, and take a look at this graph: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14605/PowerCores.png

Hopefully this helps you understand the relationship between power consumption and threaded workloads!

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MomentsInTruth•

Nice! I've been in the SFF.network thread most of this year daydreaming about that exact same setup. :)

  1. What case fans did you go with on the bottom? I have new Corsair LL120s sitting around but figured I might need to use the NF-F12 3000rpm versions.

  2. What swayed you to the Shadow Rock LP over the Big Shuriken 3? I know Sliger tested the former but it seems like a lot of folks went with the latter.

Thanks!

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PrimalPowerOP•

Honestly I might need to use the NF-F12s 3000 rpm versions if they are quieter.

I have the chromax nf-f12s but they max out at 1500 rpm. At ~1200 RPM it's louder than I like. But it doesn't get that high with the undervolt.

I didn't realize 3000rpm version existed.

With the shuriken, this might be fake news but I thought It might not be possible to get vertical fins with the big shuriken. I didn't want to take that risk because I generally hate the hassle of returning or reselling things.

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MomentsInTruth•

Good question! Word on the sff network thread was that the BS3 worked in the right orientation on an AM4 board with the Intel mount, but the main guy who discovered it also ultimately had a temperature issue, and he suspected it was due to the heatsink not sitting flush against the CPU.

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