Reddit, my roommate can rap really really fast...
Posted Jan 18, 2011, 4:16 AM UTC
Posted Jan 18, 2011, 4:16 AM UTC
whuuuut your roommate is george watsky? as in slam poetry GOD george watsky? you lucky lucky bastard.
related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uOhD67028I&feature=related
Thee best line, "I'm not Jesus, but I can turn water into kool-aid"
My favorite line was when he was like "Sibidy bibidy gebidebo dibidy flibidy higibegy shimemenemo gibedy". I was like AW SNAP!
Michael Steele?
More like Michael Cera + Twista.
oatmeal out the nose. thanks.
That seems like something Bill Cosby would say.
best comment of 2011.. ALREADY?!
meow meow meow meow meow meow meow .
Not now detective mittens, we're rap-battling!
I've been on here too long. i read that as "Reddit, my roommate can fap really really fast..."
Yo tambien
Y tu mama tambien.
Me gusta.
I read that as "on ambien".
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Ctrl + F "fap". I knew someone would have beaten me to it.
^
^ So did this guy
You and I both sir.
Lol me too :) good to know I am more of a standard redditor by the day.
came here to say that, reddit hivemind denies me even this.
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Seconded. Probably more like thirty-fourthed though.
Somehow I read "beat off to it" instead of "beaten me to it", but it still made sense.
I read it 3 times and saw fap every time. I watched the video and THEN realized it was rap. I'm using the "it's 6:30 in the morning" excuse
you saw it as fap and still clicked?
I saw it was youtube, so figured it couldn't be too bad. And I was curious just how fast his roommate could fap
Who would upload a video of that, though?
Ctrl-f "fap"...upvote.
Same here, dude.
Heh. That's what I thought too.
I read it 3 times before I saw "rap" instead of fap.
I'm up way too early.
Ditto
Same.. i opened the tab expecting a hilarious video of him getting caught fapping.. lol
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Ctrl + f, upvote.
Me too, and came here to bitch about a lack of NSFW tag
Funny you mentioned that, I could swear it said "Reddit, my roommate crap really, really fast...
And you still checked it out?
I'm sure george watsky is perfectly capable of that too
Came here to say this.
What? It doesn't say fap?
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Came here to say this
Exactly what I came here to say.
I came to say the exact same thing.
I think by 'roommate' he means 'the client of the large management company I work for who I'm currently assigned to work on using modern marketing techniques such as posting videos on Reddit claiming it's my roommate'.
I cannot upvote this enough. The recent trend toward "My GF" or "My Roommate did/does <insert thing here>" posts has started to make me even more cynical.
Except that 8 hours ago he proved it was his roommate.
While I agree it's probably his roommate...
All he technically proved 8 hours ago was that he was capable of being in the same room as him. This would also be the case if he was hired to do viral marketing for him.
How was that proof? A photo of them both holding hello reddit signs? How does that proove he isn't his agent, or a stooge?
My GF upvoted that for you.
I upvoted on your behalf, since you couldn't upvote it enough.
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No, I really do mean cynical.
- Believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of >human sincerity or integrity.
- Doubtful as to whether something will happen or is worthwhile.
He has only been a redditor for 18 hours.
Now they'll just offer to buy longer standing accounts with better comment histories.
you are only helping them become wiser.
I would like to offer mine for sale!
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should i not have posted this? thought it was worth sharing, turns out a lot of people agreed.. not really sure what's upsetting you guys so much (?)
What is upsetting is marketing businesses gaming Reddit to promote their clients by lying about them.
This kind of stuff always gets found out, and always backfires spectacularly. Don't do it.
EDIT: bighipbags I put it to you that you are Jon Shyer working for Auburn Moon Agency. http://www.auburnmoonagency.com/spokenword/georgewatsky.html http://www.auburnmoonagency.com/about/index.html
I saw him live at Def Jam Poetry, and he was awesome. "V is for Virgin" is great.
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kids these days...
pale reflection of Ernest Cline
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I fucking <3 Ernest Cline. He's up there with The Protomen in terms of geekdom as an art.
that was well sophomoric.
Personally I didn't really see the appeal of that at all. I found it be pretty mundane observations of humans but saying "monkeys" in front of the observation without any profundity. I thought maybe at least at the end like "maybe there is something special about these monkeys after all"
But each to their own I suppose.
Thanks for this.
My favorite
Right, the author of the movie Fanboys, and husband to the brilliant Susan B.A. Somers-Willet. That dude is awesome.
But Watsky is different. Much skinnier, less KISS, more Notorious B.I.G.
Ernest Cline is amazing
Does Cline have anything more similar to Watsky's above video? Faster, more exaggerated body language, more dynamic speed/volume/tone, rhyme schemes... The video you posted is fantastic, but I think it's apples and oranges alongside Watsky, aside from the fact that they both delivered highly existential poems.
as far as i know that's the only video of his spoken word.
you can hear other stuff on his website, some of it is pretty high energy.
Only slam poetry I ever liked;
This confirms a decision I've been pondering for a long time. If I ever have kids, they will be raised in Canada.
If I ever have kids they will be raised by wolves.
Canadian wolves. They'll maul you and apologise afterward.
If I ever have kids they will be eaten by wolves.
upboat for hope of your name
I think he's from LA
OH GOD! THE CHINS!
Lord Neckbeard! My life is yours!
For me it's Poet, from Oz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g60GEQXb2qc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2Ar-Gbuo0
I couldn't stop staring at his neck that seems to have collapsed under its own weight.
I still liked it though.
Hey I saw this guy at the Edinburgh festival a couple of years ago!
My phone went off half-way through his flow (I swear I turned it off) - I was sitting in the front-row, centre-stage. He called me phone-boy for the rest of the gig. Probably the most embarassing day of my life.
You should look up some Buddy Wakefield then.
looks like an american to me bro
Shane Koyczan? The guy born in yellowknife?"
My favorite, Tim Minchin - Storm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1yxDWxUIM0
Jamie DeWolf isn't too bad.
Thou shalt not question Stephen Fry.
Have you ever seen Taylor Mali? Here's one of my favorites of his.
Is this a Molson commercial?
Well I originally found it from the 2010 olympics but seems the video was posted 3 years ago so it was before then.
Anyone else liking the above, here is another very moving piece by the same artist.
You should make a submission here: /r/PoetrySlam/
The only poetry I even liked:
Someone should have told this guy it's not Dennys Grand Slam Poetry.
You're getting older way faster than your dreams are getting published.
Damn....
I think he said accomplished.
If he did, then he should have said published.
That was sick. Thanks.
I was about to post this link. I distinctly remember watching it a while back. Dude seems really cool.
no buddy wakefield
One of my favorite lines (I pretty much love them all) from "I Got This Love": It's for the deaf kid in the aisle of the symphony who hears it through the rumble of the tuba and the timpani
Oh mannnn, I'm like, starstruck, and just did a fangirl squeal. I feel like bragging to my friends and telling them my other friend's roommate is George Watsky.
Please tell him to come to NYC soon. I'll buy him a drink.
Nice video.
If you ever get to Israel, I'll buy you a bear :)
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Do you happen to know of/ like Tons Of Fun University (T.O.F.U.)?
SF represent! gotta love Watsky
I listened, but I cannot relate to anything this guy is saying.
when is this guy gonna be around in DC?
Nice try George Watsky
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and right at the end, suddenly all i could think was:
wear sunscreen.
Wow, definitely didn't realise it but you're right - I saw him at the Nuyorican a couple years ago! awesome.
TIL about the art form called Slam Poetry.
Thank you very much for sharing that. That was really interesting. Must find more...
He reminds me very forcefully of Buddy Wakefield.
why does he started that show with the michael cera pose?
Came here to say this. I love his poetry.
Do you know about this the Slam Poetry subreddit? I think you would like it. /r/PoetrySlam/
Slam poetry god
Slam poetry
poetry
The first comment: I will be praying for him. It's pretty sad to know that when God comes this same person will be crying because he's afraid to look God in the face.
ಠ_ಠ
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Okay, so you didn't like his gesturing. How about the substance to the act? The words he spoke and how he spoke them?
Because to me, rehearsing something that is not mandatory, by putting himself out there in front of other people doing what he loves to do... Well, if that's not passion, I don't know what is.
Meh, too much serious, not enough funny. I don't normally like this kind of stuff, but George made me want to listen. Andrea reinforces my dislike for this style of poetry. She has a good message, but she appears to be putting too much fake feeling into what she's doing. Thats just my opinion, I am by no means a slam poetry expert.
No, he's just kharma whoring.
no, we're roommates.
can he make a reddit sign for us?
here. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lJK3j.jpg[/IMG]
Can he fap really fast for us?
AMA?
Your roommate is one talented and courageous guy. I just enjoyed half a dozen clips on YouTube. Thank you.
Oh really? Is that why you posted this immediately after Hank Green tweeted it?
EDIT: OH YEAH, WELL, YEAH........yeah....
I applaud you for leaving your dickish statement up.
EDIT: Spelling.
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I take it back. That's really cool!
Then it should have read, Reddit, my girlfriend can rap really really fast...
I thought that read "fap really really fast"
Ditto
Definitely what I saw too... I was wondering what the link contained for it to make it onto the front page.
And the first comment should have been:
That's not all your girlfriend can do well with her mouth.
owned
The ONE time someone isn't just karmawhoring, you decided to make this comment. Sorry for your loss :)
I apologized once he proved it.
You have to admit that it's super-effective.
Whores gonna whore...
karma's gonna karma
*He turns away from the mic to breathe.
....Or else he gets the hose again?
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A got a bunch of upvotes for making a Lotion joke the other day; gotta pay it back in kind :)
I think he actually burped at one point.
Yeah, right after he said "Burp that kid".
Makes sense.
And then continues to bring the white chocolate pain.
ha, i came here to say the same thing at 57seconds
I just came here so say he doesn't breathe away from the mic. Bad form.
Motherfucker doesn't even breathe.
So say we all.
SO SAY WE ALL
Chocolate rain!
yes, that is what he is referring to.
this is what gets upvotes now on reddit? fuck.
Riding his coattails and mourning his predictability get them too :D
No, check through a couple video comment pages. Some of the highest rated comments are quotes straight from the video, especially of quotable vids like Powerthirst. "OH MAN I LOVED THAT LINE ABOUT ENERGY DRINKS FOR MEN TOO! UPVOTE!"
yeah, well, you know what they say about these upvotes nowadays...
I N F L A T I O N
Standards fell a bit after the Diggularity.
Reddit 4.0.
WHAT?
HURRR I GET THE REFERENCE TOO LOL
I'm really impressed with this guy. I wish I could think of a witty way to express that.
Here, I'll try for you.
It's like Michael Cera absorbed Twista and gained 200 pounds.
Edit: Seriously though, the guy's good.
Shorter: Michael Cera ate Twista and gained his powers
ate Twista's brain and gained his knowledge
You only need to eat his heart if you want his warrior spirit.
Edited for spelling.
Shorter: Michael "Twista" Cera
Even shorter: Michtwistcera
Still shorter: MTC
that's exactly what I thought!
I saw Twista live once, it was almost exactly like this gwatsky guy except for a few tiny differences.
Shorter: Michael Cera kirby'd Twista.
Let me see if my rough math is correct...
(1) Cera = 140 lbs (1) Twista = 200 lbs (1) 200 lb = 200 lbs
Grand total: 540 lbs
The only possible conclusion I can come to is that Watsky is 9 feet tall.
He is also made of radiation?
30 god damn dicks
Bill Brasky?
BILLLL BRASKY!!!!
And he has a giant cat.
I think Twista would weigh in somewhere around 240
Gained 200 pound? In what way is that guy fat?
He's saying michael cera is super skinny.
but he isn't
Well if he absorbed Twista, then his weight should have evened out?
In the way that he weighs too much.
My immediate thought upon seeing and hearing him.
I was thinking like Eyedea minus content, but that sounds kind of harsh.
He really reminds me of this Eminem freestyle.
if you think that's a freestyle, I have a bottle of snake oil you might be interested in.
Just saying from an engineer perspective this isn't a freestyle hes overdubbed the vocals therefore multiple recordings.
You mean it's separate takes edited together? Or do you mean the reverby sound effect?
Yes
You are reminded of Eminem because of the way his multies just roll off the tongue.
I speak with a stutter and I am impressed, but I still feel the need to hit him.
I think he has a future in Auctioneering. Definitely one of the most articulate rappers out there...
Yeah, but I think his style is more appropriate for auctions. I felt like I was bidding on swine.
Me too. Why can't someone pick up this guy and give him a chance in music instead of Beiber?
$50 says he is/was on a college debate team.
That's what I was thinking - I did policy in high school, not university, but I still know a lot of folks on the circuit - the speed in the video didn't really impress me much, but enunciating so well at that speed did. I can't think of many debaters who could actually be clear enough for a non-debater to be able to work out what they're saying at those speeds.
why do debaters speak that fast?
Policy debaters do it. It's called spreading. It allows you to cram more content into each speech. This 1.) is a strategic advantage (known as 'dumping' - it forces your opponents to deal with large amounts of information quickly, increasing the likelihood of a screwup on their part), and 2.) the increased amount of content allows for far more interesting arguments to be made in the time alloted for each speech.
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2.) the increased amount of content allows for far more interesting arguments to be made in the time alloted for each speech
BUUUUUUUULLLLLLSHIT. It's called "dumping" and not "philosophical insight" for a reason. You make up a bunch of small (mostly procedural) arguments that have less and less to do with the main clash of the debate or anything of consequence at all. I was in Lincoln-Douglas in high school and I came across many spreaders. I beat most of them because it's a tactic weak thinkers use to disguise their weak arguments. "Oh, I know, I can't put together a strong rebuttal, so I'll just spam the shit out of my opponent until they cave." Interesting arguments my ass.
Wow. Fuck debate judges for not harshly scoring anyone who's doing anything remotely similar to this. I did debate in high school years ago, and this is the furthest from skill I can imagine.
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I find this really weird, is it unique to the USA? Debating here in Aus is about being persuasive and accurate, forming a strong line of reasoning and controlling the debate.
That's everything that is wrong with politics: If you talk louder, and drown your opponent in crap, then you avoid having to talk fairly about the issues. Yes, I understand the point that the other side could talk fast too, but damn. Eloquence gets put to the side - to research?
Debaters denial of service attack?
Ah, I remember one of the first times I debated an an American. It was BP style though. It's incredible, the speed with which they throw out arguments. Nevermind the opposition, it must be really hard on adjudicators too, since they've to keep track of everything everyone says. In comparison, I think I prefer Irish/British style speakers. Apart from being more stylistic and easier to listen to, having to say less lends itself to a focus on two or three core arguments, rather than loads of small ones. I guess it all depends on what you're used to though, and I've no experience of policy debate.
Im totally going to dump on you when we debate man.
Becausetheresatimelimitandthemoreyousaytheharderitisforyouropponenttoeffectivelyrebutyouwhileremainingwithinhisownallottedtime.
Sothenweagreethatithasnopracticalapplicationoutsideofwinningdebatesthatlackapresentablestructureandprovideanexperiencethatdisengagesaregularaudience?
Wat. Oh... Wait.
Interestingly enough, there are no auditory "spaces" between words when you speak conversationally. Only your familiarity with language and the words that are being spoken permits your brain to hear the sentence as fully separate chunks, instead of sounds that, at the beginning and end of words, continually overlap. Your mind divides these overlapping sounds into separate words with separate meanings.
It's a way to get around time limits, essentially. If you only have so much time in which to make arguments, being able to read and speak quickly lets you get out a larger volume of arguments and evidence to support those arguments within your limit, so long as you're not going so fast that the judge can't keep track of your arguments.
Note that not all forms of competitive debate are like that; on the high school level, policy is like that and Lincoln-Douglass is becoming like that, but it's constrained to those forms. In college, I know policy does spreading but I don't know anything about other forms of debate.
Parliamentary debate's solution to time limits is to ignore them, from what I understand.
See, I don't get it. I have competed in mock trial. The point in those competitions part showman-ship, part information. But, any lay person off the street could, even without looking at scoring sheets, intuitively understand who would get more points: someone that looks like they're doing their job better.
But, if I was a judge for a policy competition though and each team was blabbering on with their rocket voice, I might tell them to stop and slow down - first for comprehension, second, because rote memorization of facts isn't impressive. All the "spread" seems to prove is that they sat, read some stuff, and committed it to memory.
If these policy people can "spread" in making a counter-point - if they can rocket voice in "rebuttal" - that's only marginally better. That you can think of something persuasive off the cuff, that's different.
If the debate were any real kind of debate, it wouldn't matter. The audience you're trying to convince wouldn't be able to / want to follow what you're spewing out. If it's some gimmicky "sport" debate where you're not actually trying to win over an audience, but to score points or some BS like that, maybe it works.
Because debates are timed.
So's life - start typing faster too. :)
After watching that video, I have concluded that the reasoning for doing the fast talking during policy debates is everything that's wrong with politics:
If you talk louder, and drown your opponent in crap, then you avoid having to talk fairly about the issues.
Because they are stupid.
My Dad is the speech coach back home. He recently judged a finals round of CX (policy), and when they asked for a paradigm, he laughed and told them to slow down and communicate with him. Unfortunately, they did not.
I'm still waiting on the punchline.
It wasn't a joke - it was a serious question.
Is that why I'm getting downvoted? People think I'm telling a joke?
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I would say he is a master debater
circuit laughs
the speed in the video didn't really impress me much
I'd like to see better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6a2moNYCfE - jump to about 50 seconds in.
That's not me in the video, but it's a guy I'd helped coach the year prior; he was a sophomore in high school when this video was taken. Debates get faster from there. He's not very clear in this video - partly him, partly the sound quality - but he's definitely faster than the original rapper. The lack of clarity is why I said I was impressed by the clarity of the rap, even though the speed wasn't amazing.
EDIT: Apparently he's a senior in that video, and my sense of time is way off... I did help mentor him my senior year, I just screwed up the dates in my head.
Edit 2: The lyrics are on the youtube video, so I tried spreading them... it's been a few years since I've done this, and I'm a LOT worse. I can do the "bite the bullet I'm a sinner but I bet I coulda been a better man" line about at the same speed he does it, but it sounds like I'm speaking through a mouthful of oatmeal. I guess it's time to start doing pen drills again...
Wow.
That seems, if I may, retarded. What a cheap and undignified way to gain a victory.
I didn't hear a single word so I'm not really impressed. I can just make noises with my mouth too.
is this practice or a real debate? I don't even understand what's going on in this video. is he just practicing talking quickly so he can debate quickly or is he legitimately debating?
That was stupid... Nothing to be proud of.
High school policy kid reporting in. Glad this is near the top!
So your saying he might have been a masterdebater?
If anyone wants to get an idea of speed at the college level check out the rebuttals video.
Edit:
Although peoples' reactions to policy debate is usually one of confusion, I'll admit I wasn't expecting this much of a negative reaction from you guys.
Is policy debate unusual? Yes. But it's also an intellectually rigorous activity in which one must be able to keep track of dozens of arguments and the way in which they interact over a two-hour period. It's an incredible challenge which is very hard to understand unless you've participated in it. Is it really that much different than speed chess for instance? There are also the educational benefits of research that some have mentioned. Debaters at the undergraduate and even high school level often do more research in one year than many graduate students do for their PhDs.
What's important to note is that this is just one type of debate, there are several other forms of traditional debate that still exist, so there's really no trade-off.
Please tell me this is some sort of sick joke. I take pride in my debate skills, and I can usually compress my words to fit the allocated time, but I do not want to have to make a 10 minute speech in two. I debate to have fun and get people to think, not have a battle over who can talk the fastest. I see this as a perversion of debate and I want no part of it.
I think its just retarded.
I found it funny, actually.
its just retarded
FTFY.
Isn't doing something excessively fast the very opposite of retarded?
I see this as a perversion of debate and I want no part of it.
You are completely mischaracterizing policy debate. There are many other types of debate, and evidently you are a debater of those other types and not policy, so you have nothing to worry about. That is great. If I were a debater, I would not want to do policy debate. My sister does policy debate, however. Speed drills make up very little of her time-- like 25 minutes a night at first, but she stopped doing them regularly a while ago. Really not a big deal.
She spends the bulk of her time-- hours and hours and hours and hours... and hours-- on researching, picking the essential information, organizing it, and so on. To a tournament, she brings an entire tub of papers-- a tub. And the tournaments are not about how fast you can speak-- that is expected of you-- the tournament is about running the right arguments and defenses and using the right techniques, in a manner that is logical, against the other team's points.
I can usually compress my words to fit the allocated time, but I do not want to have to make a 10 minute speech in two. I debate to have fun and get people to think, not have a battle over who can talk the fastest.
Talking fast is merely incidental. Policy debaters do tons of research about political issues and weigh many different sides. They have to do a LOT of work for preparation, and on the spot they have to. Policy debate is about the strategy, the speed is something that comes with experience as you get better at using policy debate strategy.
tubgirl also spews a lot of crap, without improving the quality of her output.
So is the point to organize your words in text and then just 'be able to read it' in 2 minutes? Because I'd have to imagine you'd also have to be a speed listener and speed thinker to get anything out of these debates unless you could sit down and parse out the information at a more human rate.
To a tournament, she brings an entire tub of papers-- a tub.
Seems like she's not bringing enough evidence. I never went anywhere with less than 4 tubs by the end of my debate career in high school. Agree with you on everything else, though.
I see. So who speaks the most, conveys the most? Fail.
A tub?! Amateur hour! My partner and I hauled two dollies with three tubs apiece to every round. In hindsight, it was ridiculous, but a great experience, and despite how stupid spreading is, policy debate still has a lot of worth.
Thanks for taking the time to thoughtfully explain this and add to the converstation, even though it seems like a strange hobby to me.
I don't know about you guys, but for me, having time to properly balance points and arguments and have the debate end on a very solid conclusion is more important than getting it over and done with quickly, then having to go back and fix stuff because we rushed the whole thing.
I don't care whether the whole thing takes months to resolve, it's better that it's resolved once and only once rather than doing it quickly dozens of times.
Please don't downvote Hoelt, he has some interesting points
Maybe that's just policy debate for you; I really haven't had much experience with it. I too spend hours and hours doing research, and I use a computer to organize my data. (using the program everything with your folder indexed is amazingly helpful) However, I don't just debate to make points, win tournaments, or anything like that. I debate to make people, including people observing or watching, think. No matter which side I take (or I'm assigned to) I like that feeling of executing a crafty play on words that can stop my opponent dead in his/her tracks. I convey my information in a manner that hits people hard in fewer words, not a brute-force of talk just to make my opponent sift through more information.
I guess policy just isn't for me. I know now to stay as far away from it as possible.
Why don't they just count the number of words? Or summarize their points in two minutes with a larger amount of supporting documentation allowed? Or do fewer debates so they have time to vocalize some of the details without speed talking, hyperventilating, and generally acting like retards?
As far as the point of this, I assume its supposed to simulate some aspect of real-world debate? In that case, the manner of vocalization is often more important than the actual content in many scenarios, and in others, there is no ridiculously small two minute or two paragraph limit to the arguments. They could be lengthy legal documents.
I imagine this retarded culture developed because some professors noticed that their students enjoyed this idiotic speed talking thing and just didn't want to dampen the enthusiasm.
If the idea were actually to practice critical thinking about issues with an eye towards implementing policies that resolve problems (of course it is silly to think that could be a possibility), then strategization, techniques and other types of retardation such as those demonstrated in the video will not be helpful.
Just look at the video again man. They sound like they are retarded ninth graders who just happen to have good reading skills.
I'll give your sister something bulky to spend the bulk of her time on. Eh? Ehhh?
Yeah, seriously. Fuck that.
Talking really fast is one thing, but they're just doing it... I don't know... wrong.
There's no need to raise their voices. It's not a fucking Micro Machines commercial. And there's a goddamn microphone in front of them, which only increases the senselessness of what is basically them yelling at the audience/competition. Not to mention, if they did stop their screaming, perhaps that'd also help with their ridiculous, and constant, heaving. Their breathing really is, it's worth repeating, ridiculous.
If that's what a "debate" is, then they're using a definition of the word I'm not familiar with, and frankly, don't want to be.
As a Canadian university student who hasn't really heard of debate teams outside of US pop culture references this baffles me. I always assumed debates were about having rational thoughtful discussions. To me this seems more like a competition based on who can listen, speak, and comprehend the quickest?
Agreed, I think this type of debate is pointless too.
Policy Debate is a game. It's really difficult to explain how great is really is until you've actually tried it. It is one of the most rewarding and challenging activities you can do in high school.
Well, it's not entirely pointless. It could land you an advertising gig for Micro Machines.
If they're trying to accomplish anything other than that, well, then I'd have to agree with you.
I always assumed debates were about having rational thoughtful discussions
Policy debate is all about logic and rationality. The fast speaking bit is difficult for the layperson to join in on, but for those who choose the policy debate track, the fast speaking barely matters. The fast speaking is merely a means to use logical arguments against the other team's arguments. You are judged for what strategies you use, what arguments you use, and what defenses you use. Your speed is incidental.
To me this seems more like a competition based on who can listen, speak, and comprehend the quickest?
Not at all. People have dramatized policy debate as simply inundating the other side with information so that they can't possibly respond. That is not how it is. Everyone at comparable levels has pretty much the same speed, or similar speed, and can understand each other. They are not overwhelmed by the speed of it. But the challenging part is coming up with the right arguments/counterarguments.
Clearly, it's not for everyone-- it's certainly not for me. But it is not a superficial offshoot of debate, it is one of the hardest forms, and the speed isn't the hard part-- it's the incredible amount of research you have to do, as well as familiarity with strategy.
If everyone is about the same speed, they might as well slow it down so we can appreciate their logic and command of the material.
I think this is parliamentary based-style of debate. I just had an interview with a Brown graduate (was really into debate) and he was telling me about the different formats that colleges compete in.
My school does a Lincoln-Douglas sort of debate; the style is much more similar to what you're describing. It's nice because it also tries to focus mainly on philosophy as opposed to pure 'information overload'.
It's actually policy debate.
I've competed in debating internationally, and never seen debate like this. It must be an American thing. It's completely ridiculous.
This is only for Policy debate, which is a team based debate (teams of 2). Standard debate as you are probably used to is called LD (after the style of the Lincoln-Douglas debates during their presidential election).
Canadian Universities have debate teams as well. My friend was on one.
Didn't mean to suggest there were no debate teams in Canada. Just at mine (SFU) the only one I've seen debates against UBC in Mandarin.
We literally talk too slow as Canadians to ever compete with the fire hose tactics of American debaters.
It's not really about who is the quickest... it's more about who has the best strategy. You pick up the ability to listen and comprehend very quickly... even a layperson could get used to it after about a day or two.
You know how everyone is like "oh Japan...." whenever some crazy tentacle porn comes up... I think "oh America..." whenever I see stuff like this.
I can't really tell you exactly why but it's everything, the fact that debate has turned into some sort of speed reading competition combined with the background music just makes me cringe. It makes no sense.
I would put it: America doesn't know when to stop.
This is why she does so many amazing things: Put a man on the moon? Fuck yeah!
But it can also be ugly: More is better. Greed is good. Thinking and speaking quickly is a virtue? OK then check out this insane, pathological parody of that virtue!
That's how I'd put it.
OK then check out this insane, pathological parody of that virtue!
It is hilarious that you can come to that grandiose conclusion after reading about policy debate for 3 minutes in a reddit thread.
That is not how debate is at all, and that type of culture is NOT what this type of debate is an outgrowth of. Speed reading came from, in general, how debate evolved on its own over time-- gradually, in a decentralized way, culminating to what it is now. It's not simply 'more is better' but speed is a big faster. And just because it's faster doesn't mean the logic being used isn't sophisticated and challenging, or that there wasn't significant research and planning beforehand. And there are other types of debate, many, many other types of debate. Some resemble acting or theater, and are much slower or more philosophical. Policy debate is a different type, and it is one in a sea of many other types-- you cannot say that all debate is an outgrowth of 'the-more-the-better' culture, because if it were, people would be making illogical blanket statements and fearmongering tactics, or making appeals to guns/gender/whatever. You are forgetting these are kids making logical arguments against other logical arguments, using strategy to combat other strategy, and trying to anticipate what strategies the other team will make.
Policy debate is actually a lot more work than most other debate types-- hundreds of pages of research, hundreds of notecards, speed drills, and so on.
I agree that thinking slowly and deliberately is more important than being able to make quick points. But think of policy debate as a weird, fucked-up subculture/game where it follows its own rules and strategies of how you argue against such and such type of argument.
This, and the crazy cup stacking thing.
**It's really not a speed-reading competition. **
To do well in policy, you have to do a ton of research, paring down of that research, and so on. My sister does policy and she goes through hundreds of pages of research and pares it down and makes tons of notecards from that to construct arguments. You also have to do a ton of research for the other side. On the spot, you have to use what the other team says and construct logical arguments against their points.
It teaches you how to think logically and construct logical arguments quickly. It does require extreme speed of delivery, but that's not speed-reading.
All I know is that this isn't simply America wanting to speed shit up and take a shortcut on the intelligence and careful debate. The reason policy debaters speak so fast comes from a bunch of evolutions earlier in debate that happened for their own reasons and then combined to what we have now.
To look at the speed/weirdness alone is extremely superficial.
Yes but in this example it's a debate competition which seems more about how fast you read over your actual debating skills.
Does this sort of shit happen in a real life scenario? Beyond competitions and point scoring debates?
I've looked more on Youtube and it's all ridiculous... It's like they've taken a debate and made a sport out of it.
Competitive debate on the high school and college level isn't meant for philosophical discussion. It's competitive - any situation in which you're being judged and ranked means that you can't truly have a calm, reasonable discussion. Certainly we should be having more of those conversations, but no one should go looking for them in competitive debate.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Take something and turn it into a competitive scene which is completely removed from reality.
I don't mind competitive debate... but from what I see this policy debate is retarded because being able to debate that fast has only 1 outcome... is that you can excel in policy debate... which is just manufactured for some retarded desire to max everything and turn everything into a spectacle.
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Jesus Christ. This is what happens when you turn something into a contest.
That's not what speed-reading is the outgrowth of. It's simply one specific attribute of one specific type of debate.
I like the way you defend Policy Debate.
TIL americans have to talk really really fast in shrill voices to 'win' debates.
This is policy debate intend for the four debaters and the judge. It has evolved to the point that the lay person could not understand the round, even without speed. It is very different from what most consider debate.
Edit: Not quite sure why I'm getting downvoted here. The fact is debate has evolved, and while its still educational, policy debate is not what normal people use to debate. Simply saying that all American's talk really fast to win debates is wrong. Besides at most levels speed won't win you a round.
What is the point cramming a 10 minute speech in 3 minutes?
Really strange. He even has to explain his argument slowly when he's done, which make it even more pointless.
Damn, those people are to horse race callers as horse race callers are to normal people.
How weird. I had absolutely no idea that is what debate team contest were like. For some reason I thought it was about content, making strong cases for/against issues, etc.
i refuse to believe that she was speaking english
Thats bullshit, she sounds like shes gagging up. I didn't know this type of debate existed. Thanks for the link.
What the fuck.. I want to punch that bitch.
Am I the only person who thought it sounded like they put in a cassette tape and pressed rewind?
That is so retarded. They should limit word count as well.
Did I hear a few F-bombs in there?
Oh, I get it! He said, "babblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabble!"
I, for one, completely agree with him.
Seems like she was encoding her speech in "HUFFman code" on the fly.
I find it hard to believe that this is a "thing". This isn't a "thing" is it? What is this? This is nothing. It's not anything at all. Or at least it better not be, otherwise I'm going to be extremely disappointed.
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that's the most moronic thing I've ever seen. Even taking into account all the explanations offered in this thread.
So much for the diplomatic side of debate. She just makes me want to punch her.
That girl is having some kind of seizure.
This is what came to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGWoXDFM64#t=01m03s
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Yeah, being on the policy debate circuit means I know a few hundred kids who can talk this fast
What's the purpose of speaking so fast? I'm really interested to know more about debate and what it is exactly.
Well, since the speeches are timed, it's advantageous to speak quickly because you can fit more arguments into your speech and read more evidence to support those arguments.
It's not really clear when this technique developed, but it's dominant throughout the national circuit.
Some good background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_debate http://www.youtube.com/user/debateteamdoc
Wiki of debate arguments on this year's topic: http://wiki.debatecoaches.org/
Debate blog: http://www.the3nr.com/
I can upload a video of one of my rounds at a recent tournament if there's interest.
Wiki of debate arguments on this year's topic
I'm a pre-internet CX guy. Since my last round was in 1995, I am amazed that I can go online and look at transcripts of rounds from all over the country. With everything else I can do over the internet, I shouldn't be amazed, but I am. What a different world it must be. People were just starting to use LexisNexis when I got out. On that note, I'll just go be old in the corner.
Thanks for the information, I'd love to see a video of you debating!
Whereas being from NJ, I'm not even sure this is a skill. This is just how we talk.
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This made me miss debate. My college didn't have a team, and that made me somewhat sad at the time, but not being able to immerse myself in research, thinking every weekend, etc. really made me sad.
Thanks for the memories :)
So, would you say he is a master debater?
Actually it seems from one of his videos that his dad is also a poet and spoken word guy, so I'm betting that's where it came from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YwM_jg-7Kc
He does give off the vibe of a master debater.
I did policy in high school, national circuit and i've lost a bit of it but i could almost do this right now. In my prime i probably could have been just as good and I was far from the fastest on my team. He was really impressive though.
As a former stutterer, I bet he had a stutter he got over.
I did policy debate in high school, and college. I can attest that debating at the highest level meant learning to speak in an uncomfortably fast manner. I'm sure this kid knows all the best speaking exercises that help with such speed.
My gripe is that at a certain point some of the debates became a contest between who can spew out the most evidence to support their arguments and less about the warrants of the arguments themselves.
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My girlfriend thinks your roommate is a really good rapper.
HEY EVERYBODY THIS GUY HAS A GIRLFRIEND!
I wanna say "woosh", but that'd just be contributing to the predictable, repetitive and unoriginal trend that has taken over reddit recently. And yeah, that includes complaining about reddit.
Whoosh? Don't you mean carrots?
HAHAHAHAHA
...this is the first time I've actually laughed at that.
waffles
This was never funny. You know, if you couldn't go to the rally, there were satellite rallies.
This is cute, cuz it makes it obvious you've only been here for a year or so
edit: posting this comment with a three-month-old novelty account probably doesn't help my position, haha
brain assplodes
I like turtles.
I know right? That's why I paint my face like a zombie!
HEY EVERYBODY THIS GUY IS A KARMA WHORE!
(...please don't upvote me otherwise I'm just being hypocritical)
Downvote it is!
I read this in lajoys voice in that song (username)
EDIT - Seriously, you dumbasses, it was fucking sarcastic. He was making fun of the OP's karma whore saying Watsky was his roommate.
only issue is he wasn't joking about Watsky being his roommate, genius. proof posted above.
I don't care to check the proof. I'm still kind of doubtful that it's true, though that obviously sounds ignorant. Even if it is true, it's still karma whoring. And when ShowMeUrrGenitals made the comment, I don't think the proof was there yet, as I'd read the whole thread up to it.
EDIT - I'm sort of being more lazy than ignorant, here. Link me to the proof and I'll look at it
fair enough.
I'm with ya buddy, but the hivemind has spoken.
Except Watsky is his roommate. Look higher up in the thread.
Kinda sucks has happened to me too for a while I did not use the tag. The lack of /s tag worked as a litmus test to see how intelligent redditors were. Test failed now I use the tags.
This makes me so sad.
I'm not 100% positive that Digg's collapse ruined Reddit, as I was only here for a fairly short time when Digg died, but I know that I never saw an /s tag before that and everyone still basically got sarcasm.
Actually, I think my saddest ever case of Reddit not understanding sarcasm was fairly early on, when I made a really pretty god damn racist comment while being sarcastic, and got (what was by then-my standards) tons of upvotes, then saw the replies taking me seriously. So apparently I got upvoted for that severe racism. As did possibly the person above me, if people didn't catch his sarcasm either. Beware, the hivemind is secretly really really racist.
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When I made that comment, he had negative karma, so apparently it isn't obvious enough to some people :|
His ability to enunciate that well while speaking that fast is a talent in itself.
Edit: Not "annunciate." Thank you, TheThirdBlackGuy
I think you meant 'enunciate'. While 'annunciate' works, it doesn't speak towards the clarity of his words it just reiterates that he is saying something.
While we are dissecting words, did you know that "iterate" in itself is defined as "to say or do again", therefore making the word "reiterate" redundant?
But each 'iteration' is its own specific event. Repeating one of those particular events is a 'reiteration'.
There are few things more satisfying than watching a corrector get correctly corrected.
I hate that word.
Yeah, I far prefer 'recurse'.
I just upvoted you because of your username. And because I agree with your comment, but mostly because of your username. Enjoy your orangered.
I've iterated this once already, don't make me reiterate, son.
Did you know that "peruse" can mean both to "study thoroughly and carefully" and "read casually; skim"?
I've been out-dictionaried.
You speak so well ...
All I heard was bibbitybibbitybibbitybibbity.
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I can't read your post, all I see is bibbitybibbity.
Read slower.
bibbity boppity boop?
read slower ;)
turn you volume to a slower speed
Hell, I can't even read that in my mind as fast as he raps out loud. Fuck.
He's actually adding a drone sound into the mix. It's similar to the technique that banjos use (their 5th string is short and never fretted, but struck constantly in between melody notes) in order to sound like they're going faster than they really are. By constantly resonating between the drone sound and the next sound creates apparent complexity to those that hear it. This is not to diminish how difficult this really is. I've never heard a human do it, and it's fascinating to hear the results.
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You go gay baby, work that bib, burp that kid!
Your video quoting skills are impressive.
Not really. He didn't even get it right.
burp
Screw Police
Hahaha
flip that car
:D
I don't want a Jesus Piece.
:D
This smells like... hypocrisy.
You go gay baby, work that crib, work that bib, burp that kid!
FTFY
I didn't know Michael Cera could rap!
I was impressed after he started rapping really fast, but this part just killed it for me. Hysterical.
The instrumental is Break Ya Neck by Busta Rhymes
hot damn, that brings back memories.
Because of this, I looked up Woo Hah! Got you all in check! after all these years. I used to love it, but after all this time, I found it incredibly annoying. I think I'm old now.
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I WANNA BREAK JUSTIN BIEBER NECK
I always found the music video to be extremely entertaining when I was a kid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrghtXWfVYM
The Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See video by Busta is the one that I'll always remember.
Ah thank you! It was driving me crazy because I recognized it, but I couldn't remember where I'd heard it before.
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Darn. I'm guessing this means he can't sell this song, so I can't buy it from him. :(
incidentally, busta raps equally quickly (and intelligibly) on that track
Well I thought the og video was cool till I listened to this.
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Well, the music was actually produced by Dr. Dre and Scott Storch. Busta Rhymes just rhymed on it.
yeah bro, and Truth Hurts provides background vocals too. we can all read it on the wikipedia page
Your comment made it sound like the beat is by Busta Rhymes. In the fear that others would interpret it this way, I thought I would give credit to the people who actually produced the music. Just a clarification.
The front of the single says busta rhymes. the back of the single says busta rhymes. Dre deserves mad cred though so thanks.
The picture in the back is one of a tiger. His shirt is black and the font is yellow.
The pause right at the end of a predictable inappropriate rhyme is very Bo Burnham. Pretty good lighting, though
And bo burnham learned from stephen lynch who learned from... etc.
... Benny Bell.
Stephen Lynch is hilarious. Any idea what he's doing these days?
Well he was on his 3 balloons tour for the last year and a half or so... seems to still be going on.
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"Rant" is the best thing I've ever heard.
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Personally, I didn't enjoy Words, Words, Words as much as I did his earlier work. Everything seems to be getting more... well, less innocent(?); I can't really explain it.
And I completely hate it when he tries to speed through his songs.
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Tim Minchin's Storm is a different style, but still my favorite.
That is brilliant! Thanks for sharing.
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Just to explain.
The reason why you were getting downvotes before your edit, was probably not because people dislike Bo Burnham. Rather you were most likely getting downvoted because your comment didn't add anything to the conversation.
Posting a comment saying "I like Bo Burnham" contributes nothing that clicking the up arrow couldn't have done.
Furthermore bitching about downvotes will allways attract more of them.
How ever now you've added a link to an excellent clip of his performance and your post has meaning. Which grants upvotes. Which is cool, I'd never heard of seen this Burnham guy before today.
You know you're fucked when even reddiquette says we should downvote you.
I think it's rather cruel how Reddit pounces on the comments such as przapnbeast's, but seems to forgive those such as pun threads, especially on posts/comments that warrant serious discussion. I'm beginning to the the surge of "joke" comments being upvoted more than serious replies, and now I've realised I've gone off to a ranting tangent, and for that I apologise.
My point still stands.
I agree, reddit is a fickle mistress.
Pun threads still get a lot of downvotes, how ever the majority of the users still appreciate a clever comment, whether it is helpful or productive or not.
Most people come for entertainment as much as news or insightful comments, which reflects the input you get from the comment section.
I personally really disliked it. I really enjoyed the beat, but I disliked his rapping. He had flow, but the way the lyrics were structured, they didn't match the beat well enough for the flow to even work. Sure it's an interesting idea. But I can write about how I get bored during church sermons also. It's not inventive in any way.
I dunno, maybe I'm just a naysayer but meh. Just my two cents I guess.
He seemed to remind me a bit of Eminem with less tone variation. I think it was in the way he rapped the fast parts.
I believe he was trying to imitate Busta Rhymes which what he did in the song where that beat came from. If anyone else is interested, the song is called "Break Ya Neck".
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lol, you have never listened to rap have you?
That is some profound-ass shit.
Holy shit! I went to school with Watsky. He's god a damn good head on his shoulders. Some of his old stuff still really holds up, I wish there were decent recordings of it around the internet.
You can, its called iTunes
Nice try, Steve Jobs.
Nice try, Bill Gates
For a few bucks I say go iTunes and give an emerging dude some coin. Leave Grooveshark for the guys record companies are already ripping off.
Can't seem to find the guy on iTunes. Have you been able to?
Just search "Watsky".
I'm downloading now.
Pretty nice Freudian slip.
Get your roommate to cover Blackalicious - Alphabet Aerobics and his internet fame will rise even quicker.
gift of gab is actually featured on his album, check it out
Gift of Gab is on his album? The guy with the greatest flow ever? Okay I'm sold, where can I purchase said album?
it's on itunes, search "watsky" -- song's called "everything turns gold", good stuff for sure
really? i wanted to download it after watching that but am short on cash right now. he is a talented dude so i am looking forward to buying it.
anyways, that video had like less than a thousand views when you posted it on reddit a day or 2 ago, now that shit has 500,000 so good job to you my friend!
thanks man, it's all very exciting
I think Chemical Calisthetics would be an even more impressive challenge. Gets really fast, it's a bunch of chemical reactions, and it's an awesome song all around.
I think that this by Mac Lethal is pretty tight and incredibly fast.
Ironically, this is the only rap song that I can cover in its entirety from memory.
Dude, that dude is fucking -awesome-. S for Lisp is AMAZING.
S for Lisp is the first one I saw after the rap and my jaw dropped. I've listened to it about four times tonight already.
"Kay, just sucks, to think you are speaking normally for 2 decades then suddenly, shucks, you find out that your stuff sounds like a stanza of severus snaps toughest parasol tongue is pronounced by Daffy Duck" Dudes got talent, thats for sure.
(i was expecting (something (else)) but this (was) good as well)
did he really meow during the fade out?
More than a good rapper, he's actually an incredible poet...
When did Michael Cera and Elijah Wood have a baby?
Nailed it!
It was great, but then got hilarious when he went and decided that he wanted to be his own choir -- sung in terribad falsetto.
Rapping like a pro is awesome, but not taking yourself too seriously is even better
I thought it was supposed to be his cat singing "meow meow meow meow meow" at the end
Giggity fit perfectly in that.
Thank you
4 years. I like that you aren't a novelty account
That's an epic tiger painting in the background.
It's not a painting, its just a framed image. My mother had the exact same framed image in our basement growing up. It must of come from a chain retailer.
I thought that read "fap really really fast" and was wondering why the NSFW tag was missing.
And you still checked it out?
no i mean yea, well, we wanted to see how fast he really could you know?
The internet has ruined us. All of us.
It can be quite a jerk at times.
Well, I... I mean well. I'm... I'm sorry.
pretty much. Even if that's really what it was a video of, it wouldn't even remotely be the weirdest thing I knowingly and/or willingly clicked on.
yep.
Ruined... or made better?
Meh. I feel fine.
Watch This,may be you liked it
in that movie Kinsey with Liam Neeson, that pedophile guy could fap in under 10 seconds and i think that was based on true accounts....so yeah.
Reddit has tuned your mind to expect everything to relate to masturbation.
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And wanted to make sure OP wasn't lying...you know, for integrity.
relevant
Hey if it's on the front page it must be there for a reason.
We're Redditors.
MUST. CLICK. FRONT. PAGE.
I did too
Of course, I thought I might have finally found a contender.
For science.
Also read it as "fap really fast"
If only there was a system which we could indicate that we thought the same thing. oh well... I'll just throw it out there too, I read "fap really fast" too.
me too thats why im scanning the comments before viewing. did not want to watch that...
I know, I didn't even mean to, I wasn't thinking dirty at all. I just never thought anyone on reddit likes rap.
Yep, so did !.
I saw "crap really really fast" the first time I read it and was very disappointed when I saw the video. :(
I did too, and was wondering what kind of shit this was, literally :P
Same. I was like "...Whoa?!" then I was like "whoooaa, pff rap" and then I was like "WHOOAA!!! go gay baby rock that crib, Fuck ya!"
So did I, but I was actually kind of relieved when I saw the video.
Me too, well, until 30 seconds in i was still thinking when he'd finally go...
ARE YOU ME?
OMG FAPPING NEEDS TO BE TAGGED AS NSFW, I JUST GOT FIRED OVER THIS...OH WAIT, MY BAD.
Son, I am disappoint.
It's called a novelty account...
Really? Please spray us with golden droplets of wisdom, oh wise masked one. Let the knowledge trickle into our brains so that we may be share but a glimmer of your glorious enlightenment. I prostrate myself at your hairy hooves of justice, uni-horned centaur of reddit wisdom!
what's more gay? opening a novelty account specifically for one joke? or spending time trying to think of the best novelty account name and laying in wait for months on end, scouring reddit for the perfect opportunity, then 4 months down the line, score 39 karma points?
now, off you go to fap the next crime
i mean fight
i thought it said "nap really fast".
Hey I can do
that... sorry, was napping
Excellent delivery.
LOL
Damnit, you posted this faster than I could!
Glad I wasn't the only one. I had a moment where I was thinking that the fact that the OP would film and upload something like that was gayer than 8 guys blowing 9 guys.
I read nap at first. Everything went better than expected.
I thought it said 'crap really really fast' and I was like 'good for him!'
I read it as "rape really really fast"
read as "can rape really really fast"...clicked anyway
So did I! And I'm not sure now which video I would have preferred watching :)
I would have definitely preferred the fast fapping. I had a roommate like that in college. He could literally finish off in the time it took him to switch which leg was crossed, but the bottom of his desk looked like the Carlsbad caverns.
Rather awkward it was, trying to explain that on parents' day...
At least I'm not the only perverted one here. I did the same (and checked the video.). high five
How YOU doin'?
Same thing.
I read it like that as well. and thought why is this a youtube video.
So did I and I thought "that's nothing special, I can do that too when I'm really horny."
came here to say the exact same thing.
And yes I still checked it out.
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I came for the fap joke and stayed for the horrible horrible puns.
Thought the exact same thing
Came here just to say this. Damn you.
I honestly thought it said "nap really really fast...". Was expecting to see a video of someone falling asleep.
Thought same thing. Disappointed my that wasn't true, but left impressed nonetheless.
Wow. I read that title like 6 times. Then I read your comment and still thought it said '"fap." Then I clicked the link, saw it was about rapping, and wondered why the title said "fap" when the link involved rapping.
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT.
ninja edit: What has the internet done to me?
This is exactly the comment I was just about to make, fair game sir!
i read it as crap really really fast
Hey i was going to write that joke. you beat me to it by only 11 hours. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Phew, thought I was the only one with this problem.
Read it that way as well :\ That was pretty awesome though and i really dislike rap, wouldn't mind listening to that more haha.
Every time I logged in today, I read it as "fap really fast" and immediately looked down to see if it was one of those mocking circlejerk posts.
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I as well saw it as 'fap really really fast'. Goddamn you, Internets.
Came here to post this.
I came here to say that.
Came here to post this.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that reddat.