Logged into my Xfinity account to find this surprise in the upgrade options list
Posted Mar 24, 2016, 4:30 PM UTC
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Imagine how fast you'll go through their 300 gig data cap with that.
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250gb on my xfinity account. They say it is currently suspended http://imgur.com/56sA0d4
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The way they are doing it is they are saying that ALL of their internet accounts have this "limit" but they are only enforcing it in certain areas. Just another way for them to get around calling it a data cap.
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Yeah its been that way for years for me
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They're currently trailing a 300GB data cap in several cities, including mine. http://i.imgur.com/d1TpHhB.png
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I do about 1-5Tb a month. I can only imagine how sad that bill would make me.
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I had to stop hoarding data because Cox is now enforcing their data cap. For me to do 1TB I'd have to pay $130+ in overage fees.
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Upload speed 10Mbps
Non-fractional upload speed... drools
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Xfinity "Extreme" and fiber tiers do not have any applicable data caps.
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Which makes their whole excuse for a cap meaningless.
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The new data caps being trialed do, check the last here, the linked FAQ details the trials and doesn't mention anything about services that are exempt from the cap. Their business service doesn't have a cap, but their higher speed consumer service isn't excluded from it in areas where it currently applies.
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Xfinity "Extreme" and fiber tiers do not have any applicable data caps.
Not correct. I had Extreme 105 and 150 packages, both had 300Gb caps.
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Whaaaaaaa? I've seen a couple people state that there are no caps for Extreme tiers. Might be a recent development, or it might be incorrect. When were you on these tiers?
I know for a fact that the Gigabit Pro tier does not have a cap. At least not yet.
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I was on Extreme 150 for about a year and a half, had caps all throughout that time. Just went back to blast 105. They offer Extreme 220 for a bit more with a bundle, I'll call and see if there's no cap and if that's the case then I'll think about upgrading.
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20 minutes
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in theory the 2gbps does not have a cap
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Hmm... how to sell the wife on this...
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Download all the shows. Literally.
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But what do you do the next day?
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How do you even utilize the whole 2gb? Do you have to upgrade your entire network to 10gbe first or something?
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I've got 10GbE uplinks on my switch. It's not about using it in one place, it's about providing enough bandwidth to everything on the network in aggregate.
This would hopefully assist my backup speed, and also allow me to host my own externally-facing services reliably, as well as provide movie/TV streaming to friends and family.
I'm happy with the 300Mbps download speeds I regularly see, I just need more upload than 30Mbps.
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I upload movies and videos to friends with 10/up over vpn. If you have problems at 30 there is something else wrong.
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My internet connection is mine, first and foremost, and I am using at least half of the upstream bandwidth constantly right now. I'd like to avoid saturating it by serving a bunch of other people HD content for free.
To clarify, I'm talking about streaming to friends/family, not sending them files to watch later. That would obviously be no issue.
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Which app are you using to stream? Or is there one you'd recommend for this scenario?
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I am taking about streaming as well. Though you may have a point with saturation, depending what you already use it for.
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I ran an office campus with 2200 employees on two 144MB internet connections. You don't really need 2gb to do anything.
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office campus
Doing what? Working with Word documents? Don't forget this is r/Homelab, home of the excessive ;)
That being said, if I had 250 symmetrical rather than 25 up, I wouldn't even be considering the 2Gb connection. All I want is more upload, is that so much to ask? lol
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Not sure what they were doing, but they sure bitched of the internet went down. on a 5 min polling average the weren't breaking 50% up or down so I didn't need bigger pipe (Excluding march maddness, that crushed my connection)
Yeah, the upstream on cable sucks.
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Ever thought about ditching the TV subscription?... I've got 30M up and down for $40/month with Frontier Fios. It's not eye-popping speed but it serves a few Plex streams just fine.
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You have to be within 1/3 mile from one of their fiber hand offs. They extend their fiber network directly to your house and serve it to you via SFP+. No cable modem involved.
They also charge $500 install fee, $500 activation fee and have a $500 early cancellation fee since it requires 2 year contract.
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Frankly, if you're paying $300/mo, a $500 early cancellation fee is surprisingly low.
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The Juniper acx2100 has four gigabit Ethernet ports so you can use the full 2 gigabit connection.
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Comcast only provisions 1 10GbE port and 1 1GbE port on the ACX2100. You have to use 10GbE to a single device to take advantage of the full speed.
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There are a number of switches with 24-48GbE ports and 1-2 10Gb SFP+ ports that you could use here.
I think most people, however, are going to fall over trying to find a home router that can do NAT at 2Gb/s.
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A decent inexpensive(ish) option is the Mikrotik CCR1036-8G-2S+, which can do >2Gbps of NAT for <$800.
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I think most people, however, are going to fall over trying to find a home router that can do NAT at 2Gb/s.
You'd be surprised how much throughput some of the higher-end home routers can do these days. Or there's always PFsense.
Then again, I'd be surprised if that juniper wasn't already doing NAT. Using it as a glorified modem would be a total waste.
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Since this doesn't use PPPoE, pfSense is a perfectly legitimate option if run on the proper hardware.
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Surely they can change the config or let you change the config for $300/mo and a $1000 install fee? If a measly $150/mo for business cable lets me change port configs or put the modem into bridge mode, double that should let me do the same.
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It already is in bridge mode, it's a dumb ethernet switch.
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lol sounds exactly like what I would expect
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Hope you have some savings holed up somewhere, you might have up to $1,000 in fees to get started, clicky
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The monthly fee is $300+ and you're worried about a $1k install cost?
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This is my main reason for not getting it, at least not right now.
I almost wish I hadn't just spent over $2k on modding my Evo...almost...
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I almost wish I hadn't just spent over $2k on modding my Evo...almost...
1 expensive hobby at a time :)
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What year do you have?
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2015 MR
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I was looking at that, too. And there's Google Fiber, just $70. Argh.
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I called, I was told the "Northeast Region" was only being charged $250/$250 for install/activation.
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Do it
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I totally did. One of their people is supposed to call me back.
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Also did it. Have a ticket number, waiting to hear if I'm close enough.
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So expensive.. Veery expensive.. 150$ for 250mb/ps.. very expensive indeed.
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Meanwhile, in the land of Google Fiber...
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We have 10gb available in Chattanooga, TN. Get on our level.
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I suddenly feel excessively inadequate.
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It's expensive, I'm on the cheaper 100mb business line with 8 statics for $80/mo. :(
Residential gig is $70/mo, business gig is like $300 last time I heard.
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So why are you on the 100Mb? Data caps on the residential service or something? I live in Knoxville and really wish people up here were even really talking about these kinds of initiatives.
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I got a business line and a gig for business is pretty pricy ($300). I love the statics too much to go back to residential.
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yeah, but that's all you've got in Chatanooga. Sorry, it was just there...I had to. Much love from NC. ;)
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> implying I need anything more than fast internet and my homelab
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Touche.
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What is your connection now and how much are you paying?
(Just curious)
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I'm currently on the Extreme 250 tier with cable TV, bundled at ~$170/mo after taxes, fees, etc.
This is no contract pricing, too.
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If you dont mind me asking, where are you?
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Suburbs about 20 minutes north of Minneapolis, MN
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Lucky, Right now I have 100Mb through Cox, Im about to move to BFE, I'll be lucky if I can get 5Mb there.
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Hope US Fiber gets to you soon or even the Centurylink Gig fiber gets to you soon. Sounds expensive.
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Wait, Comcast is rolling fiber out there? Whaaaaaat?
I just saw Centurylink putting in boxes that look suspiciously like fiber too... Surely we're not actually getting competition for gig internet out in the middle of nowhere. That's impossible.
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How? I'm stuck on 105 with TV and phones for ~$190/mo with a 2 year contract.
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Well, I don't have a landline for starters. Second, I called their sales department and a nice, local-sounding woman helped me re-bundle. I'd recommend giving them a call.
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The land line was because it ended up being cheaper for the triple play. I'll definitely see about re-bundling though.
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Data cap?
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Xfinity "Extreme" and fiber tiers do not have any applicable data caps.
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I pay that for Uverse with the 75GB connection and a contract in Atlanta. Comcast isn't available at my house.
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75GB connection
Shit son. Sign me up for some of that ;)
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Whoops! 75Mb!!!
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Is.. that 2Gb symmetrical? Goodness. I'm guessing that's Residential, with a cap?
Also super-curious what that modem looks like.
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Apparently they provide juniper acx2100 routers.
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I thought you were being sarcastic but holy crap, they do don't they?
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The reason it's symmetrical is because it's served over purely fiber/copper Ethernet (copper only if you can't use the 10GbE LC connection they give you). The DOCSIS standard inherently limits providers to asymmetrical connections.
The only way you could get a symmetrical DOCSIS connection would be if your provider limited your download speed to match the upload speed. But who wants that?
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Does DOCSIS not have provisions for providers to adjust how much of the spectrum is up vs down?
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apparently because of signal/noise issues upstream (from your modem) channels are a bitch in general.
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Their business fiber handoffs are symmetrical usually.
Since they are their own Tier 1, it would almost make more sense for them to provide symmetrical connections for larger end pipes.
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Yep. Fiber to the home delivered over a pair of fibers dedicated all the way to the node, provisioned via GPON.
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No cap on Gigabit Pro
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Oh boy. And now I'm talking to a rep about moving my Business 150 account to this...
Decisions, decisions.
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Comcast just quoted me $1500/mo for 100Mbps Metro E as an upgrade option from my Business 150 account. The sales rep isn't going to be happy to talk about 2Gbps at $300/mo :)
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The business side either doesn't know this exists, or, is playing dumb to stop you from finding out about it. I was talking to them to see if they could beat FiOS 300/300 at any kind of reasonable price (or, keep the price and beat the speed) and they could not do either.
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Playing dumb. Here's their reply today when I asked them about it:
Looks like residential services. The extreme 250 has a limitation of 20 MB upload and is coax, so not guaranteed.
The gigabit pro is fiber but uses lower cost gear, passive vs. active fiber, has residential support, no real guarantees. If you work from home, this would be a very affordable service and would work well as it’s a symmetrical 2 GB/s. There are restrictions on it like you need to be close to our fiber plant, it requires a $1k install and requires I believe a 3 year contract. You would need to reach out and have a survey done to see if this service is eligible.
For business service, your only option is our Enterprise fiber services to get over 20 MB upload.
I already get 125Mbps downstream on DOCSIS 3 with them, so If I were to go from the business cable to 100Mbps Metro E, it's be $1300 more per month, more upstream bandwidth (which I need) but less downstream bandwidth.
Or... $300 for 2Gbps "residential" service
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I am right there with you...
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Did you host outward facing servers on that?
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Only my inbound VPN. I have VPNs to our offices.
Mainly because of the 25mbps outbound.
Now, 2 gig symmetric...? Maybe...
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Seriously curious what plug is on the box. Dual ethernets maybe?
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They provide a Juniper ACX2100
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I thought the new DOCSIS 3.1? was let them provide these 1Gbps+ speeds...
Do they still run coax into the ACX2100, or is it something else (fiber, ethernet copper, etc)
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It is true that DOCSIS 3.1 will be able to deliver multi-gigabit speeds eventually (when it is deployed), but this is a residential Ethernet product.
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ACX2100 does 16xT1, 10xGig, 2x10Gig. This would be using a SFP+ (fiber ethernet) in one of the 10Gig ports.
I'm a bit puzzled by the choice of a ACX as demarc device. A Ciena 3930 would seem to better fit the role and Comcast already uses Ciena for other situations.
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I had the same thoughts. But considering the ACX is fanless I am pretty much already sold.
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Gigabit Pro is fiber, not DOCSIS.
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Oh fancy! Thanks for the reply
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Ha, that would be the catch. Only a single gigabit link to the modem. LOL!
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They provide an enterprise-class router with a 10GbE port that retails for almost $10k, leased to you for a stark $20/mo. This is true fiber to the home.
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Sounds right for the cable co lol
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Centurylink spent a week putting in a cluster of sizeable cabinets on a street corner a few blocks from me. No idea what they were doing since we're 30 miles out of the nearest city where they are advertising fiber, but hopefully it is indeed fiber!
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So you are going to get this, dig a basement and sell colo space right?
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I'm in Minnesota, where we have basements. My rack already lives down there :)
When Google Fiber was first deploying in KC I considered moving down there to start a home-based hosting company for Minecraft servers and whatnot.
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And here I sit with DOCSIS2.0.
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I saw that the other day on mine to. Although it looks like they have taken away pretty much all my other options as well. I currently have 105/20 and the only things around mine are 75/10 and 2000 plan. I would kill for the 250. Whats the upload on that?
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I would kill for the 250. Whats the upload on that?
It's sold as 250Mbps/25Mbps, but the actual provisioned speeds are 312.5Mbps/31.25Mbps.
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Odd, I would have thought the upload would be more than 25. Still very fast. Might have to make a call and see if I can upgrade soon.
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I can't believe how overpriced internet access is. I get it's not fair to compare Japan to the US, but I had 1Gb service for about the equivalent of $45 over there (KDDI Flets Hikari). With how the infrastructure was supposed to be subsidized with taxes here in the US, I just can't see how Comcast can justify these prices...oh wait, yes I can - no competition and very little regulation.
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Ouch. I'm sat here with gigabit for £30/month.
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That is some retarded pricing. Look at the disparity between 200mbps (which i pay $60/mo for on TWC) and 2gbps...god the cable cos. are nuts.
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For 10x the performance at 5x the cost, one could argue that the 2Gbps is the better deal. Just sayin.
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I've thought a lot about this. I want Google Fiber so bad I can taste it, but I'll be damned if I'm paying $300.00/mo for INTERNET. Maybe I'm just getting old, but that makes no sense. I had 300mbps from TWC and recent dropped it to a 'mere' 200 and saved some loot. I mean my 'stuff' downloads in minutes anyways, and is automated.
Look, I'm all for gigabit and beyond, but $300 is dumb, regardless if you've got it to spend or not. /rant. ;)
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How's the upload speed on that? I can guarantee it's nowhere near your download speed. You might not care about that, but there are a lot of people that do, which is the purpose that these types of connections serve.
We're typically referred to as "consumers" for a reason -- because we consume -- thus the fast download speed, and largely ignored upload speed. In their eyes, people only need to upload fast enough to make the small GETs for their cat pictures and YouTube videos.
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20mbps. Don't get me wrong it's not enough, there's never enough, but it's sufficient for what I do right now. I'd love to have a gigabit upload but at what cost? That is precisely why I went down from 300 megabits to 200 megabits because my upload speed didn't change. I can live without the extra 100 Meg down but I wanted to keep my upload speed the same.
I think the theory of diminishing returns applies here. Sure, I could buy all the internet in the world but how much more is it going to help me than what I have now?
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A summary of this service
I have been watching this deployment since last fall, and here are some quick facts:
GPONregular, sweet-ass Ethernet via the MetroE network (thanks u/virtuallynathan)If you find anything additional or incorrect, please let me know.
This information is just key points I've picked up over the course of several months watching the reported installs over at DSLReports.
There is a catch naturally, it's comcast we are talking about.
No data caps if you sign a three year contract. No contract raises the monthly fee and places a cap on it.
They lock you in with a contract because of how much they're spending on the custom install -- there is no option on this, you are required to sign a contract. They need to amortize that cost over the life of your subscription in order to not lose money. This shit ain't cheap, and it has nothing to do with a data cap.
The lack of cap is because it connects right up to their standard metro Ethernet fiber network, and because it would he shit-crazy to try and tell someone they can only transfer x-amount on their 2Gb connection.
While I agree that would be crazy, this is Comcast we're talking about. They'd do it.
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...touché.
I thought they charged you an arm and a leg to install the service? I have available where I love too and I think it was $1,000 to have it installed.
They do charge you up to $1000, but the actual install will most definitely cost them well over that. The rest of it they get back from your guaranteed monthly payments.
Ha!
Don't see how this is funny. Comcast will likely be upside down on the investment of a single installation until almost a year into the contract, and that's even considering the installation fees.
It's interesting that they're even offering something like this at all.
If that Juniper device costs $10k, it's going to take forever for Comcast to make a cent on the account. That doesn't seem like their MO.
Edit: Is there a 10Gb connection both in and out of the router? If not, I guess no one will ever be able to use more than half of their connection?
They buy them in bulk, likely at a discount of at least 70% for such quantities. You wouldn't be able to get it at that price though, which still makes $20/mo a steal.
Yes. Offering 2Gbps service would be both illegal and completely asinine if it was impossible to deliver.
And something you have to ask when you're talking about Comcast :)
I'm surprised they're going straight to 2Gb and not testing the waters with much cheaper 1Gb. They could give everyone a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite or something else cheap.
They're coaxing CenturyLink into a dick measuring contest. Everyone knows DSL is a shit technology, which is why CL started deploying 1Gb fiber. This is Comcast's middle finger to them.
They're also positioning themselves to offer speed upgrades in much the same way they do with their DOCSIS connections. Since the theoretical max of the hardware you're getting is 10Gb symmetrical, there's almost 80% unused overhead they can provision at a later date.
Yeah, I realized that pretty quickly - customer service had no idea about whether I was eligible. I had to place an order to be surveyed (which I understand).
This is good though.
Funniest comments from the CSR: "We can save you $10/month if you switch your TV service" - lady, I'm paying $300/month for internet, the deciding factor is not whether I can get it for $290/month.
Oh, and "We can also supply a separate device so your Wifi enabled devices will be able to access the internet for $10/month!" uhh... (I know, I know... the Juniper doesn't do Wifi).
Where is all this published in case I need to reference it?
These are all key points I have picked up from the various reported installs of Gigabit Pro over on DSLReports.
Well I am already on the chat "line" with them while they sort their things out.
If my guess on where their fiber ring sits, my house SHOULD be inside the 1/3 mile limit.
My BIGGEST concern is the wife...
My yard backs up to a two-lane, divided Main St. I also have an elementary school about 1/3 mile down my residential road. I might place a wager to say I'm within the 1/3 mile.
Very tempted to call them tonight.
Gigabit Pro is just MetroE, using 10GbE 80km optics, not GPON - so no ONT, just a Juniper/Cisco router on the other end.
I keep seeing installs of people who have both a Cienna ONT and the Juniper. Why? Are these all people who are upgrading from older FTTH packages?
Yea, it's situation specific - many of those with Ciena's had Extreme 505 beforehand and were upgraded. The Ciena is still a MetroE service delivery switch, roughly the same thing as the Juniper.
My vote is for the Juniper solely due to this model being fanless. The Ciena's I have seen were fairly noisy.
Though I think the Ciena's have dual PSUs while this Juniper doesn't?
Either way I am excited that I might finally get Gigabit speeds at my house.
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I'm all for fast internet, and props to Comcast for actually offering it, however I wouldn't see a reason to get this service right now.
Two main reasons:
It's useless unless you have 10Gb switches, 10Gb NICs, etc.
It's far more expensive than the average 1Gb line. I have 1Gb up/down service with no caps from Consolidated for $70/m. Comcast is offering faster speeds now, sure, but their pricing is far too high. Even their 250Mb service is double the price of my 1Gb line. Companies that are trying to stay competitive are running fiber and offering 1Gb in the $70 - $120 range. Hell, even AT&T, a company just as shitty as Comcast, is offering 1Gb for $110/m.
Totally false. All you need is a single switch with the ability to do VLANs and either a 10Gb SFP+ uplink, or one open copper port and one open SFP port (each obviously operating at 1Gb).
It's all about using it in aggregate. You'd be hard pressed to find a single connection that could saturate bandwidth like that.
Good lord ! I hope !
See, it shows as available to me, but I was afraid of having 2Gb/s service and a 300MB cap that I'd burn through in minutes.
Now you have my interest.
You mean 6 seconds?