Dear reddit: My sheeple waking days are over. Why I'm leaving reddit.
Posted Nov 10, 2008, 6:57 AM UTC
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I didn't know people took this shit so seriously.
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Out of all the replies to this incredibly vapid "good bye" rant, this one is by far the best, simply because it is the most succinct.
Why the fuck are people taking a website so damned seriously? It isn't like it's hard to ignore people or discern group think or sensationalist headlines.
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Excellent point. Thank you for some insight.
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Just before I got to the "why are you taking this so seriously" comments, it struck me that I recognize a lot of the commentors near the top. I never really thought of myself as part of a reddit community or anything like that. Just someone participating in a massive discussion.
But now that you've put it into words, I think I should take a break from reddit for a bit.
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that's quite a leap. i agree that an online community is still a community, but it is wrong to equate it with a "real life" community. your community at large is not something you can just turn off. you are a part of it no matter what, and your action or inaction has consequences for you and those around you. in an online community, the people are no less human but the interaction is. typing anonymously is very different, and should be less consequential, than interacting in real life. if one becomes overwhelmed by the human needs and baggage of an online community, then s/he needs to perhaps reassess priorities.
in short, i disagree that reddit is serious business.
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I log on to Reddit to read funny articles and posts and to occasionally learn something. However, that almost always means wading through a bunch of worn-out memes and circle-jerking dumbasses. I left Fark because the amount of stupidity and repetitiveness had reached an unbearable level and it's depressing to see that happen here as well. I suspect many others have had the same experience, particularly with Digg. It's quite a bit like Idiocracy, but what makes it even sadder is that the people who screw up this site also seem to be big fans of that movie.
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A few months from now, I'm going to make an article stating you didn't leave, you were in fact kidnapped by the Neo Cons. It seems a fitting tribute.
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Notice, it's not in his handwriting. It should be allcaps.
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Mossad always did such great fake suicide notes.
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i really think someone cracked his password and posted a fake letter...
only a government agency could be swift and unnoticed
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Oh I will miss you so much! wait...who the fuck are you?
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I had no idea too, but after reading his suicide note I concluded he's just an egotistical bastard addicted to drama.
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goodnight, sweet prince
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reddit is not about earning upmods. I have > 3000 comment points and that doesn't make a damn bit of difference here or anywhere. I participate in reddit for the discussion and for the chance to share my vast superior knowledge with you filthy unwashed trogledytes.
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The problem is when you quickly get downmodded you have no discussion because nobody will see your comments.
And when you find yourself constantly being downed you realize that it's futile to 'discuss' anything with people who are basically acting like Bill O'Reilly - "Shut up!"
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The rampant downmodding started when hordes of diggiots came here during the AACS Key Revolt on digg. It's standard behavior on digg to downmod comments they don't agree with which is part the reason digg sucks so bad.
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i too am a digg refugee, for the reasons you say and the constant repetition. got tired of hitting the furthest page just for something new.
although i wouldn't mind seeing conflicting articles sticking around a bit longer, tired of all the preaching to the choir, opposing views shouldn't be down modded simply because the hive disagrees...perhaps an anti-hivemind sub-reddit?
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I do my part by upmodding comments I might not agree with but didn't deserve to get downmodded less than 0. To me negative downmods are for spam and trolls only.
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Am I the only one that reads many downmodded comments?
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No. I read them all, in fact I got so tired of them being hidden and having to unhide them I chose the "don't hide any comments" option that most people don't seem to use.
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Which is why I think sites like Reddit should implement "agree/disagree" buttons in conjunction with up/downmod buttons. You can express your disagreement with someone without censoring their otherwise well-written argument.
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I prefer to be called a troglodyte, thanks.
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He's doing the namecalling so he'll call you what the fuck he likes, even if it does show his ignorance.
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Upmodded for apt demonstration of your username.
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Why, thank you kind sir, now fuck off back under your stone.
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i mean no ill-will but maybe you wanted too much from a list of headlines and anonymous comments.
I didn't stop watching sesame street and write them a letter about how it seems childish and how they didnt accomodate to what I wanted anymore. I just stopped watching.
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Only difference is, this is not a kids' TV programme.
Reddit is(was?) one of the more intellectual and open-minded communities on the internetz.
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...But I bet you're not leaving reddit until you've had this post bookmarked long enough to read every single resulting comment, and bask in the warm glow of your upmod count.
This reads like the suicide letter of the weird goth girl in high school. "Goodbye cruel world of popularity. I just don't fit in."
I say good riddance!
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I like the old saying "Reddit doesn't change, you do". Every couple of months there is a sky has fallen post like this. Reddit has changed, it's all a hive mind, no differing opinions. I call bull shit. Maybe there is more noise than before, I can't argue that, the site has gotten more popular. But there is still very insightful and intelligent conversation. You can still learn a ton. Some of his points about are good, some are typical.
While there is nothing wrong with a userbase of a site being rather similar in ideology, it is remarkable how reddit went from supporting a free market libertarian to a big government democrat. reddit takes something, gets very worked up about it, then either forgets about it or turns against it later.
Well during the primaries when Ron Paul was on the up, this place was "spamed" by paul supporters trying to get any publicity they could. The last month it has been an Obama fest. This doesn't mean that it's the same people doing the posting. It could be, you know, different people. I'm glad I learned about Ron Paul, and I'm glad I learned about Obama. If clicking "hide" is to much for you or unsubscribing to a specific reddit is to much for you, it's not reddit that changed, it's you. It seems like these articles keep popping up over time, I just don't buy them.
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That's an 'old' saying?
I can't wait to tell my grandchildren about the good ol' days of Reddit!
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No offense intended with my post, but just like a television or a radio, I had always thought reddit was designed to be editable for what is interesting for you (with other media you can alwasy change the channel or what have you). Subreddits can be made. Hell, people would subscribe to a /sheeple subreddit just to read you. So, taking your bases and going "home" means very little in the long run. Oh well.
That's the problem with satire - one tends to think that the subject being lampooned is more important to others than it actually is. The other trouble with satire is actually making it intelligent - something that you may or may not have been succesful with. I can't say, really - I am no expert, I just browse this place.
I wish you luck. It's a shame you are tossing aside a brand name (even one based in trollistic activity). Man, it's like my sister in law... she has the voice of an angel and yet would rather waste her talent doing something else. Yes, she is good at what she does, yes she is (mostly) happy with what she does... but her voice could inspire people. Oh well.
Eh, it's not like you'll be reading these replies...
Farewell, don't let the tubes hit you on the ass on the way out.
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Sounds silly, but I've only started customizing Reddit, and I'm enjoying it way more.
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Why would people downmod you for enjoying reddit?
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I think this comment is pure brilliance in usage and reference.
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On behalf of the search-engines, I thank you
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More like on behalf of jew reptoids who control illuminati!
Edit: It was sarcastic comment you dumb jew faggots.
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Hey, hey. We're not reptoids.
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Is reddit something so serious that one should put so much thought into staying or leaving? For me, it's absurd. I'll look at it when I feel like it, I'll post when I feel like it, and if/when I don't feel like it, I don't. End of story. On the other hand, if I felt strongly enough about this decision (as 911was_an_inside_job obviously did) that I felt I had to write a lengthy essay on the subject, then I guess that suggests its own answer - I'd have to leave, because I'd clearly need to get a life.
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So are we going to start a good-bye subreddit? I'm sick of seeing these whiny rants at least once a week. Some of you people expect way too much out of a website and thusly take it way too fucking seriously, and personally I think it's kind of weird.
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Reddit > Life!
Oh shit, what am I doing to myself /proceeds to kill himself
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i've only seen two on the front page
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This week...
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I wouldn't down mod someone without giving a reasonable explanation. I think comments should only be as silly as the link itself; it's ok to make canhazcheezburger jokes to a link to a video of a cat getting stuck in a box.
Reddit isn't being being overrun by Digg or 4chan, Redditors are just becoming self righteous dicks who refuse to believe that they could be wrong about their presidential canidate or anything else for that matter.
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I think a great way to encourage this site's principals would be to force a comment upon modding. That would mean that lazy people couldn't mod without saying why and angry people couldn't just click on the name of a guy that he disagrees with and down mod all his submissions/comments.
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I can foresee many comments consisting of ".". Then we'll have posts bemoaning that reddit has lost all substance because of the posts with only "." and we'll have calls to create a minimum amount of text in the box.
It works fine the way it is, people can choose to post if they like or dislike a comment. Sure, sometimes when people downmod it's extremely confusing, but if a policy of forced replies is implemented it will only create more "noise".
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Great point.
Maybe there could at least be a prompt to comment upon modding with a drop down list of reasons why your modding such as: trolling, I disagree with your opinion, good point but I disagree, stick a knife in your eye and go bleed to death, etc.
Nothing to take away from the flow of modding/commenting/viewing but just an optional asynchronous response option.
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It would be an interesting option, but would it be useful? The trolls know their trolling and people know when they post unpopular opinions, perhaps if there was some sort of gauge, maybe a name color change or something inside the profile, that showed redditors with just a glance what type of user a particular person was.
For example, let's say gibberish1234 is a troll and his posts are often downmodded with the troll option flagged, when he reaches some arbitrary threshold he gets a namecolor change to lime green so other people know by a glance that this person is known to troll topics.
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This isn't a post about me
Right...
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This is so sad. It's like the ending to Pete's Dragon or Mary Poppins. 911was_an_inside_job has taught us everything he can and now it's time for us to grow up and for him to fly away and go help some other lost and lonely website.
;.; I'll never forget you 911was_an_inside_job
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I didn't even notice. Thanks for the tip.
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but..BUT..9/11..
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I could not possibly disagree with you more. I've seen many different opinions represented on Reddit - the difference between theirs and yours is they are well thought our and eloquent, while at the same time resisting the temptation to wax philosophical about the state of things. Basically, when put more thought into your posts rather than running around screaming "WAKE UP SHEEPLE," you tend to get listened to more often.
Anyway, peace out.
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It's a fucking website. Grow up.
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As tofocsend said earlier: "An online community is still a community, and community dynamics are Serious Business. Just because you and I and everyone else are pseudonymous, that doesn't make the people with whom you're exchanging ideas any less human, with all the human needs and baggage that this entails."
Edit: Of course, if anyone agrees with this, do upmod tofocsend as opposed to me.
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Much like that article some redditor wrote a while back about why he quit reddit and how difficult it was, I would like to offer my point of view to his ideas. So, while I enjoy stroking my e-penis as much as the next guy, there are a couple important things I would like to address in my leaving reddit. Those are found in the paragraph after the one below.
I first signed up on reddit with a different username, made a couple posts (which I deleted later so I couldn't be linked), one of which said "Wake up sheeple!!" and got upmods, so I decided to run with it. I've been accused of having sock puppet accounts or of being cartooncorpse, but this is the only name I post under, and here's a brief history. When I first came to reddit in the spring or summer of 07 I liked the idea of the site a lot, but it seemed that 911 truthers were really overrunning the place. Fearing it would make a good site look illegitimate to outsiders, I tried to stop them by mockery. At first people thought I was serious, and I would go around making off topic posts and getting downmodded. Then later I became popular for some reason as my comments grew more and more outlandish. I had a lot of run making comments in a news article about something with benign connections then ending up in all caps rattling off a conspiracy theory against reptoid jews who staged 9/11. Probably when I was mocking Giuliani I was in my prime. Then something odd happened, I got bored doing the same thing all the time and just started to phone it in, saying CHIMPEACH THE CHIMPEROR and receiving upmods. Like a sitcom, instead of bothering with new content I just relied on phrases I knew would earn upmods. I suppose I jumped the shark. Earlier this year I left briefly, pursued my studies harder, got a job, family, etc. Then I came back and got back down to business, but it was more boring than ever for me. I've had comments upmodded to around 400 or so just for the same old crap, but it wasn't amusing. As Bush exits office, I'm sure I won't be pressed for new material, and I could wait for the Obama lovefest to wear off, but what's the point anymore? There's many younger, more energetic trolls doing a fine job, and I feel it's time I retire this meme.
I considered just posting normally, but I feel like reddit is not intellectually stimulating, and most likely has the opposite effect.
For example, the truthers and police taser stories that were ubiquitous when I first joined were just a fad. I didn't know that about reddit. Same with Ron Paul stories, same with Obama stories. While there is nothing wrong with a userbase of a site being rather similar in ideology, it is remarkable how reddit went from supporting a free market libertarian to a big government democrat. reddit takes something, gets very worked up about it, then either forgets about it or turns against it later.
reddit usually only favors one opinion and demonizes others. This is most clearly seen with regard to religion. I don't want to argue for or against anything here, but reddit is very anti-Christian, and to a lesser extent anti-Islam. There are more submissions bashing Christianity in the atheism subreddit than there are articles about atheism. Imagine how the music subreddit would be if every submission was attacks against poetry slam or some such and nothing about music.
reddit's view of the world is completely black and white. If you support McCain or Bush you are anti-American and stupid. If you support America in any global conflict or disagreement you are also stupid. It's interesting to see America get blamed for, of all things, the conflict in Georgia.
Basically, that about sums it up. There are a lot of articles posted to reddit from dubious sites like globalresearch.ca or from the Iranian government as proof that the West is wrong about Iran's nuclear intentions. Or articles from some blogger that sum up a global event in just a few paragraphs (2 of which are his or her opinions). reddit is a hive mind that seems to be fueled as much by ignorance as it is by anger. No doubt there have been some good times on reddit, Mr. Splashy Pants, sending those flowers, etc., but overall reddit is not a representation of any community anywhere. During the primary season in Texas I campaigned for Ron Paul and met supporters of Obama and Clinton. On the other side I met people that liked Huckabee, McCain, and even Bush. None of these people were bad, just a little misguided at times, and we only had a different means to our ends. I met Ron Paul supporters that were Christian, Daoist, and Atheist, and we all got along fine. I marched in downtown Austin and attended numerous rallies, each time we got along with the cops fine, in some cases they even went out of their way to accommodate us, no one was tazed.
Overall, there are some gems in reddit, but it is frustrating if you have a differing viewpoint. It is even worse if, like I have before, you have had your opinion swayed by it just through headlines or comments. I don't think I am the exception when it comes to disabling critical thought when I browse reddit. reddit users are very close minded, and they reinforce this amongst each other and make other people close minded in the process. reddit has made me lazy, instead of trying to understand issues, I just read the sensationalized headline, a few comments, and consider myself educated. My time could personally be better spent getting a more detailed understanding of the news by reading more in depth, something a political blogger just can't provide.
Therefore, I feel it best that I leave reddit. This isn't a post about me, but more a reflection on the community as a whole. Although there is nothing wrong with it, per say, reddit does not really encourage thought, but just going along with the flow. I'm not going to extremes like blocking the site, I'll check here if this gets more upmods than downmods (but I doubt it, my submissions always get downmodded), but I'll say this one last time here: WAKE UP SHEEPLE, THINK!
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I have to say, I agree with you completely. The thing about Reddit is it's not a great community for good ideas, but it is very real. It's real people behaving the way real people do. Not enlightened, not retarded, just . . . real. Often the smartest, most clever comments get downmodded to the bottom of the page . . . that's how real people react. With no accountability, and total anonymity, people lash out against the painful sting of the truth. You can't fight it and you can't change it. The only thing you can do is sit back and laugh at how funny the whole situation is.
I'm really glad I was a part of Reddit long before this election, because the election has been one of the most hilarious examples of abandoned principles and human emotion I've ever seen. The community in general (huge generalization here) had built up a consensus of very respectable and defensible ideas regarding Bush, the presidency, and politics in general . . . and many of them totally went out the window when a dark horse began to ride from Illinois to Pennsylvania Avenue.
Life is funny. That's all there is to it. If you live based on the assumption that life is serious and rational, you will constantly find yourself frustrated and disappointed.
It's better to just be able to laugh. Back when people started calling french fries "freedom" fries, that was pretty funny. A lot of people thought it was ignorant and childish, but now many of these people are doing equally stupid things like boycotting the entire State of Utah . . . for a California ballot proposition. Hilarious.
All those people who blindly followed Bush as he marched from NYC to Iraq? Pretty damn silly. They got a good wag of the finger from people who pointed out that you shouldn't blindly follow and obey . . . you should think with your mind, not your emotions. But now these people are walking around wearing t-shirts emblazoned with the face of their favorite politician. How can you do anything BUT laugh?
All the world's a stage . . . and all the men and women are doing stand-up.
It's sad to see you go 911waij. Best of luck to you.
Downmodded for providing a viewpoint that I disagree with, regardless of the quality of the comment itself.
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For a while I thought the generally accepted use of mods was up for agreeable or well made points and down for comments that were flames or otherwise didn't contribute.
Seriously, how debilitatingly insecure must one be to actually care about how an anonymous mass of random people values his / her views? I always find it hilarious when somebody expresses shock and disappointment about being modded down.
Agreed...no sense in downmodding somebody's opinion. I think we should leave downmodding for the people who ruin good conversations by being rude or ignorant.
karma is not your life, it means nothing. be brave and say what you have on your mind.
i, for one, never upmod or downmod.
Why would an opposing view stay here if all they do is get abused by morons who won't change their mind?
Sure. The world should be flame free. Or at least full of controlled burns.
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with an opinion, it's about whether the comment sways the reader or not. An opinion which the reader already agrees with will perhaps get an average to positive ratio of upvotes, while an opinion the reader doesn't initially agree with, but later succumbs to, will get a positive to high ratio.
It's all about Sophism. Reddit is a forum (like those of the ancient world) where many voices speak equally loud. Everybody is a sophist on Reddit and the ones who have the best rhetorical skills get the most upvotes. Your content is irrelevant, the form is the only thing that matters! Of course, extreme views are harder to argue for, but it can definitely be done.
Generally, if you represent a minority opinion and you don't present it well, you will get downvotes. If on the other hand, you manage to present a minority view in a way that seems convincing, you will be upvoted plenty. It doesn't matter whether that argument is entirely true as long as you present it well. But obviously, the better you can rationalise something, the higher the possibility that what you're saying is in fact true!
Of course, this is just my hypothesis...
The second paragraph "Take for instance..." is exactly why you shouldn't leave reddit. Plus, you spell pretty well.
Finally, something in this worthless thread I agree with. Reddit can be a great tool for knowledge, and can invoke critical thinking, but you have to use it right.
Nicely put.
Speaking of hivemind, there's an interesting article on The Economist about how the high mobility of Americans, who tend to move to like-minded neighborhoods, increases political polarization and the "culture war".
It refers to a book called The Big Sort, which has its own website. Worth a look -- or a read, which I haven't done yet.
Or, perhaps, more people need to read the rediquette page to learn what makes this community so great.
I wouldn't worry too much about downmods. While I think that I'm relatively in sync with a lot of reddit, I also have certain views that are downmodded to oblivion. It evens out, especially when you consider the number of people who will not downmod you for taking an opposing view.
It will be a very sad day for reddit when a good number of people leave out of fear of being downmodded. Karma is useful in that the more of it you have, the smaller amount of time that you need to wait between submissions- other than that, who cares?
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That's not true. Ron Paul is now old hat, so if you bash him you get upmodded or left alone.
That's bullshit. Downmodded.
What I've started doing on Youtube (not here since I just signed up to make this comment) is add on at the end of my comment "give me a THUMBS DOWN if you agree with me!". I don't know if people get the point, or if it just results in me getting a lot of thumbs down, but it somehow makes me feel better about the whole situation.
Downmod if you AGREE with me!
This really is the cancer that is killing reddit. Not your post itself, but the attitude amongst genuine idiots.
or maybe the issue is that a lot of people here like to think that they are not idiots, simply by coming here and reading a few headlines, maybe even clicking some of them. there is an elitist attitude with a lot of people here, and point of view doesn't mix well with the mainstream. The more mainstream reddit gets, the more mainstream the users become, and as we all know the general public as a whole suffer from retardedation of the brain.
it seems like the real problem is the fact that people are not reading the stories on the other side of the links, because there is plenty of excellent news, humour, opinion that is posted on reddit, and most of it isn't on blog. maybe another issue is people are NOT using the upmod and downmod functionality correctly, and as such the correct content isn't finding its way to the frontpage.
reddit is not /b/; that attitude is part of the problem. keep the vomit that is /b/ on 4chan.
(caveat: i love the vomit that is /b/, om nom nom nom. but i prefer it stay on 4chan.)
There's sometimes a subtle difference...
If you believe your position is rational and well thought out, it's sometimes actually reasonable to believe that an opposing position can only be held if it's ill thought out. Downmodding for disagreement frequently isn't at odds with downmodding for low quality posts.
Yep. Having unlimited moderation abilities makes you throw them around because they aren't worth anything. Simple economics. Give people like only 20 points a day or something, and it would do a lot.
I agree, lets get this fucker.
... this world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel – a solution of why Democritus laughed and Heraclitus wept.
- Horace Walpole
What about those of us who can do both?
Easy to laugh in comfort. The iraq war is not some silly batch of shenanigans. People = dead. Sure, it's effin hilarious in a sense, the tragedy, but I think there is something slimy about encouraging the world to 'laugh it off' in such an obvious case of aggression. I mean seriously, imagine your family getting shocked and awed- I agree that perhaps the very best way of dealing with anything is to focus on 'the divine comedy,' but let's not sink into a sea of giggling apathy, here.
Now imagine the Iraq war with "Yakety Sax" playing in the background.
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Yes. Sometimes you have to laugh, otherwise the irony centers of your brain will explode and you will fall down dead.
I would encourage those whose thoughts don't quite run parallel to those of the hive mind to use reddit's "friends" function. People on your friends list show up in red wherever their names appear. It's a good way to find interesting comments.
Paul--free market yes. He's not really a libertarian given his social stances--he wants to have the states control the private lives of citizens instead of the federal government.
You may be assuming a lot here. Plenty of people are still Paul fans around here, and plenty of Redditors were Obama fans early on as well. The difference isn't who's supported by everyone or the majority, but by whose voices are loudest and what's in the news/being written about (and therefore can be submitted as content).
Redditors on average are civil libertarian but all over the place on economic issues. Two things define their political support: (1) whether they believe it's effective to vote third party and (2) given (1), which candidate deserves (or does not deserve) support. A week ago, many Redditors would agree that anything that kept Palin out of national office was good and supported Obama despite that they'd rather have someone like Paul (or Kucinich, damn it! ...well, I keep trying, anyway).
personally, I think they should just remove the ability to downmod in general. If you think the person is wrong, form an opinion in words and spell it out. Right now if someone disagrees, they just do the knee jerk downmod.
I've been an avid read of hacker news mostly because there is no downmod button, the stories remain fairly relevant and the users are quite fair with each other. No mudslinging and kneejerk downmods.
one kneejerk downmod or upmod should not adversely affect the status of a submission or comment.. if it does i suggest that there may be something wrong with reddit.
another good link, like water in the desert, thanks...
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Do you want to know how I got these scars?
Well said.
You will be missed!
I look at it as an opportunity to show a large group of people that are unaware of the truth- the truth they weren't ready to handle.
That's another bad thing about Reddit: people who insist their viewpoint in the absolute truth no matter what. One can argue with them in a clear, concise manner and they'll never, ever change their views.
Then they go around on Reddit infecting people with this "truth."
I think the opposite is equally valid. Taking a fact like the earth is round and denying it is asinine. This is an obvious example (hopefully), but there are a lot of others that are more subtle.
What's worse is peasants so poorly read they think their opinion is as truthy as a documented researched fact, the only thing a peasant needs is a few more peasants as stupid as him to agree with his viewpoint, and that's all the research he needs- see- my friends agree with me so we are right.
Fact of the matter is peasant, it's simply impossible to make steel buildings fall at the speed of dropping a ball off a building, into it's own footprint, 3 different ones, all with hours of each other, never before occurred in history without demolition charges.
Buildings were shut down for days a few weeks before they went down- by Bush's other brother.
Yeah- you didn't know that didya?
And, that's not my opinion. That just is.
Learn the difference dummy.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html?q=911security.html
As you can see there is a consistent group of 8-13 douchebags whose mission it is to downmod anything I say because their ass is sore from being reamed by documented truth, it's really fucking embarassing to their ego apparently.
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The real truth, or the TROOF?
You can't handle the troof!
Don't you think its a little hypocritical for you, a troll, to bash the mindset of reddit? You have to understand that a lot of people don't come here for karma points or Obama or basing Christians or whatever. Reddit, just like every other social networking site, is going to be infected with hoards of people that try and say something witty to receive some votes. It's positive reinforcement. People are literally terrified of being downvoted. They beg not to be and it usually works. If i'm not downvoted at least once a week, I feel like I'm doing something wrong. The intellectual discussions that take place are just one side affect. One that happens to be a good one. They're still here. I learn great stuff on Reddit all the time. If good, like-minded people like yourself want to focus on the bullshit and even feed into it, then those good discussions will get less and less but maybe if you spend more of your time posting like this instead of telling sheeple to wake up, things will improve for the better.
You, sir, completely miss the point of method trolling.
Trolling, when done properly, IS a contribution to the discussion.
A lot of people who use Reddit are batshit crazy. I mean really off the deep end. These people have developed a personal understanding of everything in the world which is so detached from reality that it is almost as if they're living in a separate dimension, pausing briefly to post comments in our dimension. These people pour emotion, fear, and conspiracy into every single goddamn topic you could imagine.
How many fucking stories about an imminent US strike on Iran have appeared on the front page? For a while, it was like every single week we were promised that Bush had already ordered an assault on Iran. Moreover, there is no violence in the world not committed by the US. All death on Earth is either due to a US attack against another country, or a US false-flag attack against itself.
Now, there are a couple of ways you can handle shit like this. You can try to rationally explain to people your view of the situation and why you think the view being expressed is incorrect, or you can troll.
You can try a rational discussion, but 9 out of 10 times, that fails miserably. A comment like "the US doesn't fight wars in countries without oil" will get modded to the ceiling, whereas a reply of "there was no oil in Vietnam or Korea or Grenada" gets quickly buried below most people's viewing threshold.
Trolling is the perfect solution. A good troll is not just some disconnected remark. It's a laser beam which, while seemingly inflammatory or off-topic, is actually a pointed commentary which strikes at the heart of the issue. It's a time bomb which plants itself in the back of people's brains and explodes in a way they never expect nor realize.
Yes, it too will quickly be downmodded, but each person who reads it and clicks the down arrow gets secretly mind-raped.
God, it is so refreshing to hear reddit described so eloquently.
I enjoy a good political debate, and also started out on reddit trying to post somewhat intelligently. Unfortunately, my world view is apparently far too based on information from the so derided 'main street media' that I get down-voted because conspiracies seem to be the dish of the day here.
They should make a subreddit just for the people who regard everything in this world to be some hidden conspiracy. Then the rest of us who get their information from well-known, trust-worthy and respected news sources can enjoy a stimulating debate.
Have you unsubscribed from the main reddit, the politics reddit, and the worldnews reddit yet? It makes the experience much more pleasant.
I hate to include the worldnews reddit in that list now, but it's ruined. It's either US politics or Israel/Palestine flame wars.
Some of the best discussions are on the Offbeat, and WTF reddit. We had a real barn-burner about that whole Max Hardcore business.
EDIT: added link, and was wrong about which subreddit it was in
Not to be a dick, but it's actually "Main Stream Media" or MSM, not Main Street (which is a Sara McCain slogan). You're mixing your political memes.
Why are you scared of getting downmodded? Who cares? I like what the OP said, if I don't get downmodded now and then, I'm probably doing something wrong.
conspiracy.reddit.com
If you like the MSM so much, why are you here of all places? Not that I'm saying you should go, but the whole point of social news aggregation is to avoid the MSM bias.
In turn, I get too much of my information from nontraditional sources so that I feel like I'm lala-land when I read MSM pieces. I come here to know that I'm not just a whisper in the noise; there are actually some other people who have noticed similar inconsistencies and inferred that there's more going on behind the scenes than they tell us.
this whole discussion is making me think about reddit more optimistically. i don't feel so afraid of downvotes anymore. go ahead everyone; TRY me
No, it is not. You think all that matters is that the crazies be silenced.
But it matters how you do it. In truth, the troll inflicts far more harm than the idiot he responds to ever could, because he cheapens the level of discourse, and destroys the sense of community.
Silencing the silencing the sincere idiot with a flippant troll is like beating mice to death with a rattlesnake. The problem you solved is nothing compared to the one you introduced.
I suppose you're right that muffling erroneous viewpoints isn't helpful, but parody sometime helps people realise how ridiculous they're being.
It's not a blanket-bombing cureall solution, but it can be a spoonful of sugar.
I like to think that one post of mine, a MASSIVE trolling effort, made way for the shit that Digg became. I'm pretty happy about that :)
Two things in your comment that struck me:
"How many fucking stories about an imminent US strike on Iran have appeared on the front page?"
I don't know. My front page is entirely different than yours and everyone else. The topics I subscribe to keep my front page full of science related news mostly.
"A comment like "the US doesn't fight wars in countries without oil" will get modded to the ceiling, whereas a reply of "there was no oil in Vietnam or Korea or Grenada" gets quickly buried below most people's viewing threshold."
I don't care about upmods or downmods. Some of my best conversations have happened with someone when we are both in the negative. My highest rated comment was:
"my pants are a 10 star hotel"
that's the majority for you. I don't pay attention to that.
Reddit is not a thing or a person or a mob mentality. It's the name of the site and that's it. Within this site exist a thousand different opinions on a thousand topics. Speak your mind honestly and wait for the response that you can relate to, then let a discussion begin. When and if that discussion gets downmodded, who cares?
I don't care about upmods or downmods either . . . I mean not point-wise. But what happens is a thread becomes a cascade of the most popular arguments, which generally consist of hyperbole and exaggeration, and rational thought-provoking comments get buried down the page somewhere, or below the viewing threshold for a lot of people who don't use an account to browse reddit.
So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying...
...."TROLLING IS AN INSIDE JOB....WAKEUP SHEEPLE!"
You forgot teh j00z.
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I think you have a valid point. However, what I personally do not understand is that trolling can be misinterpreted by those who are "really off the deep end," as an expression of opinion from someone who is like-minded. That is, while it may exaggerate the point so that it seems ludicrous to those in the middle, it may also reflect back a thumbs up to those thinking attacks on Iran are immanent for no real reason.
Either way, it diminishes real discussion as it makes rational engagement difficult as you point out in your post. The solution is to have more rational posting, not less. I feel you don't end up with a more intelligent, well-rounded discussion by trolling irrational over-the-top comments; that just adds to the noise to be ignored.
Clearly, 911was_an_inside_job seems like a smart human capable of real contribution, but instead chose to post intentionally dumb things which s/he did not believe. I do not understand how that elevates the conversation--escalates, maybe, but elevates, no.
I'm with NixonRichard. It's the Stephen Colbert approach to persuasion; lampooning and satire make points that straight arguments can't, you just end up looking like an ass.
I'll admit, it's not distinguished debate, but you're on the internet. Any intellectual argument collects fourteen year olds posting PENISPENISPENIS by osmosis.
I upmodded you for a thoughtful paragraph, but I disagree with you. Like 911 said, Reddit used to be full of 9/11 truthers, but through his comments, which were so satirical that no one could possibly take them seriously, some posters simply got shamed out into leaving, and some of them realized that their positions were a bit ridiculous.
I like how I just read eloquent posts on how reddit has this problem with downmodding based on disagreement, and your comment is -2.
Well, -1 now, because I upmodded you for your thoughtful and well-worded comment.
Wait, wait... You mean people don't read Reddit explicitly because of the Trolls?!
Shit, the Trolls are the best thing this site has going for it. A large portion of the Trolls on Reddit have taken it to a high art form. I view them as hurders of the Hive mind. Jabbing the cattle prod in here and there; shaping the landscape a bit and keeping things interesting. Without the Trolls, reddit would just be some weird cross between Digg, Air America and Worldnet Daily. God bless you nixonrichard, you and a few others on this site are the only reasons I read it.
i agree! and "method trolling" is a beautiful phrase, so +1more for nixonrichard
Yes, were it not for those brave redditors, we might be stuck in another hundred-year war in Iran now.
I agree. I helped avoid the Iran war by reading several of those stories, and commenting on lots of them, even ones I hadn't read.
Hi, peasants are always disturbed by the truth and Iran is one of those disturbing truths peasants are simply not ready for. Our administration is continually testing the waters to see if bombing Iran will float. THAT'S WHY it keeps coming up in the news, not because the people mentioning it are dumber than you, but because you are dumber than them.
You will also notice that we don't have any significant military presence in a country that is opressed, that doesn't have natural resources we can rape in exchange for our help.
To pooh pooh that idea is a symptom of you being in your own dimension, buddy.
Those ignorant of history are most assuredly doomed to first mock it on reddit, and then repeat it like an idiot.
You also mock the concept of false flag which is a documented government technique of several governments, from the reichstag to the USS liberty, to the false attack of prisoners dressed as polish soldiers that was Hitler's reason to invade Poland.. .. I can see how someone completely ignorant of history would be disturbed by all these "wackos" that know more history than you.
Well done my friend. Well done.
The difference between your statement and mine, is that mine is not trolling.
ah yes, mind-rape. my favorite kind.
i prefer ass-rape, thank you.
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Kind of like, "honey I'm cold" [gets up to turn the fan off].
I see. So if you cannot use rationality, you use the mental equivalent of brute force -- trolling. Might makes right, right? So if you can't get the person to agree with you by using cogent argumentation, the right solution is to mind-rape that person into agreement.
That's what you call the perfect solution.
Don't forget all the gold-standard free-market nut-cases.
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Thanks for reminding me why I added you as a friend almost a year ago. Spot on with this post.
I was kind of with you till the your choice of that last word, sheesh.
Apparently we can't all have mental labia of steel.
Some of the greatest moments in internet history come from trolling.
Fucking Narwhals!!!!
YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH
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Basing christians? Smoking them gets you HIGH? So they have a purpose on this earth after all...
So trolling got boring after two years? Who knew...
The Jews.
Here we go again...
No, after two years we think trolling is even more fun! That's why we made joos.reddit.com.
it's important to take every opportunity to confuse zionism with judaism is it not?
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Judaism always leads to zionism, so why not?
911 was an inside job WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Wow, just like South Park. Amazing.
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[laughs]
'Wrong Paul' has now been permanently added into my lexicon.
"this agnostic wishes you possibly-God's blessings and speed on your journey."
hahahahahahaha! I'm stealing that forrealz.
I logged in just to upmod this post. You've got some very good points - it is FAR too easy for me to spend 20 minutes on reddit and feel like I know what's going on in the world. I'm far more 'involved' than before I got addicted to reddit, but I do wish that I saw more opinions that I didn't agree with (other than the pointless Christian bashing ones... yeesh, give it a rest...).
Thanks for waking some of us up :) Good luck to you.
The solution to the pro-choice/pro-life conflict is to improve incubation technologies and allow mothers to sell their babies on the open market.
A modest proposal...
I mean come on people most of the world if going hungry! What do you care about a fetus or two... Plus instead of seeing an unwed teenage mother and thinking "her race trash" we think young entrepreneur!
how do we know that the jews didn't take over your account?
They are too busy counting their bailout money.
Oh, but we did.
Shhhhh, that's meant to be a secret, until Nov 21.
Because that would be crazy.
I made you a subreddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ScrewYouGuys/
..I'm going home
I see what you did there! ;]
So in summary: "I could make inane posts as I was being ironic, now I got bored, I'm really cleverer than you all are anyway and I need something better to stimulate my vast intelligence. Things were so much better when I was interested and being witty and clever."
Oh please.
Shut the door as you leave.
Amen.
Sounds like you took it personal.
He WAS being ironic and after a while went "holy shit.. these people are serious... wow.. just wow.. fuck this".
I don't see where he says he is significantly smarter than everyone, so I think you're blowing that out of proportion in an attempt to justify your emotional reaction.
People like you continue the cycle.
"reddit is a hive mind that seems to be fueled as much by ignorance as it is by anger."
That there is the thing. He doesn't place it to the extreme you did. Let us compare those sentences:
"to stimulate my vast intelligence."
versus
"ignorance as it is by anger."
Sounds like one is trying to be honest and respectful while you are the direct opposite.
Sure it is. It's representative of most communities everywhere: eclectic, fickle, and inconsistent. You list a bunch of different crazy positions different redditors have taken on different issues as if reddit should represent a monolithic body of people.
Conservatives have conservapedia. Liberals have reddit.
This is something a friend of mine just told me, I'm inclined to agree with it.
I agree with a great deal of reddit, but the point is people don't want a serious discussion here anymore. They want to feel like they are around like minded individuals, not learn from other viewpoints.
No, conservatives have Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com.
Ron Paul? Liberal? Ha!
Even Obama is moderately conservative.
So to kill a troll we should upmod him until he gets bored and then eloquently retires.
It will only work on trolls intelligent enough to recognize their medium is actually a Skinner Box.
Sorry, but the absolute best part of your act was when 711was_a_retail_job started replying. I nearly laughed myself to death over that one.
I wanted to start a 911_was_an_inside_joke account but it was too long a name.
Also I am too lazy.
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you motherfucker.
I bet I could do 100 thoughtful goodbye posts.
Srsly though... Changing minds is just hard. But it's important work, I feel. Without adequate communication you get natural polarization for some reason, followed by animosity, followed sometimes by fighting or war. So being open to other viewpoints is actually really important. This doesn't mean you have to agree, but something in the free flow of ideas and subtle changes in one's worldview is healthy.
I have a number of friends who didn't vote how I did in the last election. While they vary in how reasonable they are, I am glad they are my friends and I value them for their (differing) opinions (and that they trust me with them). I wish this was more the norm than the exception.
Even though I have posted a lot here, my karma has taken a beating because I will often frequent subreddits that I disagree with a little bit and try to post something thoughtful. It's still worth it to me because despite merciless knee-jerk downvoting I do get the occasional "hmmm, you may have a point" type reply, and that's the reward I'm looking for.
People invest too much emotion (and thus become inflexible) in their take on the world. Deep down I think we all want the same things- we want to be successful and happy, we want the truths about the world to emerge (if it's at someone's expense it complicates matters, but I think people still want that), we want to accumulate knowledge and self-actualize and better the standards of living around the world. Just keep that in mind when you run up against a jarring opinion.
Also keep in mind that the choir that is chanting your viewpoint has a vested interest in justifying it (sometimes at the cost of truth). I wake up this morning in the apartment of a good friend of mine whose wife is extremely right-wing and cannot tolerate any political discussion (even though my friend can). She thinks Obama will literally lead to the downfall of our country and it was rather funny to hear her talk about "being scared that these obama supporters all drank the Blue Kool Aid" without realizing that she may have drank some Red Kool-Aid of her own. I could get upset about this woman (and her effect on my best friend, by the way) or I could just gently toss some nonthreatening ideas her way that differ just a little bit from how she sees things, in order to get her to think a bit. You are more likely to change someone (and, God forbid, be changed yourself) by patiently leaving a little trail of breadcrumbs than by taking an intellectual sledgehammer to the mind.
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Dude, your problem is you're taking this site too seriously. When you have an anonymous news/message board, you always get idiots posting and inflammatory discussions which you could let annoy (as has clearly happened).
Or, you could just take it all with a pinch of salt. You couldn't change reddit single-handedly (no surprise) so now you're pissed and are throwing your toys out of the pram.
Grow up dude. Take it easy. Do you actually give a shit what some anonymous geeks think?
...which starts with taking himself too seriously. Way too seriously.
What we're witnessing is that the emptiness of karma-whoring is ultimately going to filter into the brain of anyone with half a brain. Apparently, for 911_blah_blah, that time is now.
It's frustrating seeing what was once a great place to have a discussion become overrun with people who parrot talking points and repeat nonsense statements.
Well, that effectively just ruined my day. You're one of my favorite people on Reddit. I just posted a comment of yours to bestof and it hit the front page.
I hope you find happiness somewhere else. Hopefully this isn't the last we'll hear of you trying to wake up the sleeping sheeple. God knows I've been guilty of being asleep, but I can always count on you to save me. I'll miss you, 9/11WAIJ.
sniff
Yawn. He'll be back when the drama of his exit wears off.
Can I have your stuff?
Somebody could do a master's thesis on this kind of shit.
I keep telling people sociologists actually DO stuff, but no one believes me.
A few weeks ago I told a guy that I'm a sociology major, and he said he doesn't like sociologists because they take people's children away.
I would love to see that. But, it would have to be specifically about reddit.
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While I agree with you about the comments that go on in reddit, I always thought this was just a good place to find interesting articles without having to do any legwork.
Sure, there is a strong bias on a lot of social issues here, but when it comes to gadgets and science, its a great place to find interesting stuff.
So, I guess I don't understand what leaving reddit means. Just don't comment, but to say its worthless is making more of reddit than it is. It is a place where people post links. Some interesting, some not. Thats it.
Basically, I think you are being a little over dramatic.
Your second last paragraph perfectly sums up my emotions of the past few weeks. Thanks for the well-articulated wakeup call.
that should have been last but one paragraph
not second last paragraph
Penultimate
So in other words, you've become the "I didn't do it!" kid and now you're taking your ball and going home. ;p
Disagreement is tougher to take here than almost anywhere else. You get to know exactly what the discrepancy between those who agreed and those who disagreed is. And the ones who disagree don't even have to say anything.
My least favorite thing is when you ask a question, and people downmod you for being too stupid to know the answer. So you end up both depressed and ignorant.
Edit: I agree that the main reddit and all the politically-oriented subreddits suck. But the rest of the site's OK in my experience.
That really hit the proverbial nail on the head.
Brave-o man!
That sounds to me like a personal problem of his. I read the sensationalized headline, a few comments, and consider the article not worthy of my time.
Occasionally, I find an article that sounds good, comments that aren't trollbait, read the article, and I participate in a large conversation about the topic. Afterwords, I feel as though I learned something, know what a few other people thing about the topic, and then am able to talk about the subject with friends in real life, and not only know how I feel about it, but how some other people feel about it.
Personally, I think that 911 was one of the problems on reddit. The fact that he got upmodded does show that there is a larger problem here, but its pretty easy to just ignore him and move on.
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...that doesn't sound like the reddit I know. You gotta read the comments.
You made the mistake of allowing upmods to buoy your self-esteem. If you allow that, then the converse also becomes true - downmods make you feel sad, angry or frustrated.
Say what you think and damn the mods either way.
Upmoded because you seem like a good person.
Upmodded because you seem to like good people ;-)
No, none of them were 'fads' - they were subjects of interest that held or still hold people's attention. It's no different to any other subject: interest rises, peaks and descends. What else do you expect?
Ron Paul held a lot of interest initially, but then a lot of people recognised him for what he is: a scientifically illiterate (evolution + climate change) kook with some whacky ideas and a child-like simplification of all the world's problems.
Utter nonsense. It's an online global community of (relatively) curious and informed people. Maybe you mean "it's not a representation of any community that thinks like I do"?
The rest of this long diatribe seems to be nothing more than narcissism and a lament that other people don't think like you, that anyone with differing views is part of a 'hive mind'. Did it occur to you that the 'hive mind' is the majority opinion of a bunch of curious and well-informed people from all around the planet?
No, this is very much a long, masturbatory post about you and how you view a community that doesn't agree with your narrow, Ron Paul-esque view of the world.
Don't let the door hit, etc.
I think people noticed that no matter how much attention ron paul received through the nets, he was still far from having a real chance. Taking that into consideration, they decided Obama would be a better choice than McCain, executing a switch to Obama.
I think the obituary reads thusly:
911wasaninsidejob
Successful troll was successful.
Reddit to me feels like college. Lots of smart people with not a lot of real world experience narrowly focused on the immediate past without a broad knowledge of history being easily lead around and into furious rages by pundits.
I troll a bit too but in subtle and tasteful ways. Especially in political arguments, people are expecting to be presented with the talking points of their "official" opponents. They will then proceed to yell back their talking points, etc, etc. If you add a bit of creativity and present the issue in a different light or from a different angle you can often break the trance the two "official" sides of the issue are in.
One more tip. There is a lot going on in the world. Much more than you could ever imagine. Way too much to keep bringing up the same 50 or so themes over and over again in Reddit articles.
Narrotor, what you are describing is likely the largest demographic using reddit; young male college/university students from the U.S. There are of course countless other demos, but the college crowd is probably the largest, so many of the comments here do lack some world view and historical perspectives. If you are having trouble with the same 50 themes, change your subreddit preferences.
Good riddance, you tedious fuck.
You were the cancer that killed reddit. Once we silenced the ludicrous by pointing out its flaws, instead of by cheap ad hominem mockery. You changed all that.
Once we discussed things, instead of engaging in shouting contests. You changed all that.
Once heavily upvoted posts were multiparagraphic and full of rhetorical progression, and bore a thesis at their heart. You changed all that.
You were the change you hated to see in reddit. Go away now.
Some viewpoints are so idiotic, and their proponents so stubbornly immune to reason, that all they deserve is mockery.
Thank you for saying this as a reddit celebrity. I've said such a thing many a time - often to deaf ears or harsh downmods, angry that I have hit upon the truth. Reddit is hypocritical, just as lacking in integrity as the sources it attacks for the very same crime.
God bless you, 911wasaninsidejob. I hope you come back to check on us one day. And thank you for passing the torch on to younger trolls, such as myself. We will do our upmost to live up to your shining example.
What bugs me the most is the way people here try to act so open-minded, and will argue in black and white terms. I often see arguments and someone often resorts to "No, you're wrong". That's not an argument, nor is it an intelligent, clever or relevant thing to say. If you have to resort to that, then you lost, and you probably don't know anything about the topic you're arguing.
No, you're wrong.
I know. :(
No you don't.
I left Digg for this very same reason. It's interesting that the same has happened to Reddit.
And for the same reason... ALL YOU DAMN DIGGERS CAME HERE!
Why the synecdoche? Reddit is nothing more than the people on reddit is nothing more than common folk. Mankind.
I agree. And I think reddit needs some kind of user profile with demographic information. I can understand that a certain group thinks a certain way. For example, when I was 12-15; I thought differently than I do 15 years later. But, if we had some information on a user, we might know a little about where he is coming from.
I don't want "I hate McCain" posts from some middle-school kid. But I wouldn't mind an educated post about some of the problems with republican policy.
Well put - you echo a lot of my own feelings. Moderate political views and individualistic thinking tend to be very unwelcome here.
And spot on with the Paul/Obama comment. Those guys are polar opposites - I respect them both but you can't genuinely favor one's views without being completely opposed to the other's.
Stopped reading at "stroking my e-penis".
the power that your very last "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" contains after reading your farewell is truly remarkable. Its as if every single prior "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" was all a build up to tell us to think for ourselves while on reddit.
"reddit users are very close minded, and they reinforce this amongst each other and make other people close minded in the process. reddit has made me lazy, instead of trying to understand issues, I just read the sensationalized headline, a few comments, and consider myself educated."
wow, very well said. This describes my realizations and thoughts about reddit exactly. But there are still things about it I enjoy. After turning off the politics, atheism, and other similar subreddits, it is still a decent place to go for a few random news stories throughout the day, the occasional picture of a topless girl posing with a grizzly bear, and of course, the memes. So today, I still go to reddit daily to start my time wasting internet browsing sessions, but I still have to sigh from time to time regarding how seriously this close-minded self-delusional mob takes itself. And it was great to see you take your stabs at them along the way, thanks for the lols guy.
Hardly any of the memes on reddit are original, though. They're all created elsewhere, and by the time they're used up they make it over to reddit.
Don't care
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I was in favor of Ron Paul. I am in favor of Obama. In fact, I'm still in favor on Ron Paul. And of Kucinich. I am in favor of all people who have their heart in the right place and dare to go against the flow.
I am not in favor of McCain, because he's a whore: he sold his soul just to have a shot at being elected.
ok bye (you did this before, fuck if I care)
:( Farewell.
Maybe im using this site wrong but i find not clicking on the lame links help my sanity.
I am OP's sockpuppet, and I approve this message
No, I'm Spartacus.
Yep. The times this is most apparent are when facts conflict with the mob decrees on reddit. You can post an article to a peer reviewed scientific journal showing how the human skull is not, in fact, filled with cherries, and you will get downmodded into oblivion by people who "disagree" with your "opinion". So mostly I try not to fall into this trap anymore and just make a lot of dumb jokes.
Geez. I'm starting to think you did it.
Very insightful comment, though. Well noted.
"it is remarkable how reddit went from supporting a free market libertarian to a big government democrat."
They have one rare thing in common. They aren't evil and out to screw the little guy.
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Uncheck the Politics subreddit. It makes a world of difference.
Oh man, that's nailing it right there.
American passports were found, training was given to the brutes of the Georgian army, this was planned by the US to try and show how weak glorious Russia is. They failed!
PeeWee is right; it's well documented.
Obama is Phase II. Bush did the dirty work but everybody--finally--hates him. Obama is a stroke of genius by the puppet masters. The plan goes on but now everyone is in love with our new leader, even me if I don't watch myself because it's very hard not to believe him. Do you think the people running things really thought an old fart and an ex-beauty queen would beat a dazzling urbanite like Obama who can talk the birds down from the trees?
I don't think you're very smart at all. I think you're a Christian conservative nutjob who probably just needs to get the fuck outta here. BYE!
I just wanted to point out that your comment karma IS OVER NINE THOUSAND
Let's see, who would want to discredit the 911 truthers...
911was_an_inside_job was an inside job!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
reddit is what we make it!
"I considered just posting normally, but I feel like reddit is not intellectually stimulating, and most likely has the opposite effect."
This is self-fulfilling prophecy - I say you're just either intellectually lazy or cynical about whether or not anyone would actually bother to read your thoughts let alone engage you in a substantive discussion. BUT IF MORE PEOPLE TOOK THE TIME TO DO THIS IT WOULD MAKE EVERYONE'S TIME HERE MORE WORTHWHILE. Of course, the volume on here is so big and most of it is shit, so getting a handful of reasonable people together without being drowned out is difficult to say the least. But that's the price we pay for opening it up to everyone.
One solution here would be to focus more on direct contact with a handful of individual posters who you feel are worth sharing ideas and debating with. A community within a community. It would be nice if reddit made it easier for us to do this, like a list of "top friends" or something.
I personally hate the "karma" feature - I think it lowers the level of content and encourages silly one-liners, as you point out. Sure, about %1 of these are clever enough to be worthwhile, but it feels like a sitcom as you say - the lowest common denominator wins.
Too bad you're leaving rather than at least making an attempt to raise the level of discourse. We only get what we put in!
9/11wasaninsidejob is now a Christian Republican Reptile! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
Ron Paul.
you issues seem to be more with your self than reddit
i wish you well in your soul searching, perhaps you can rejoin the cloud of ignorance fighting when you are more at peace
Back in April I went to visit my parents. One of my goals was to inform them of my doubts concerning the official story of 9/11, as well as to generally encourage their political education. My father is a smart man, but he is also a gun owning Vietnam vet who voted for Bush twice. Sitting across from him while he chain smoked menthol's and watched fox news from the T.V. that sits next to the ash tray and the civil war diaries on the kitchen table, I found myself at a total loss for where to even begin. I had told him I had learned things about the world which distressed me and which i wanted him to understand. He knew I was hesitant, and told me to, "just spit it out, what ever it is!" "alright! There is no good way to start, 9/11 was an inside job!", I proclaimed. He sputtered on his cigarette and looked at me bug eyed, but it got the conversation going.
So, thanks for inspiring me. Your meme has gone places you may never have imagined it would. I think you are one of the best voices on reddit, may you go on to be even more inspiring and productive out in the world.
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Funny, but totally untrue in this case. Really. He is one of the most legitimately totally strait people I know. And he is not homophobic or anti-gay either. I find that homophobia is a sure sign of a closeted desire (Taboo!)
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That Reddit is not a representation of any community anywhere is key to its merit.
It's not so much the quality or even authenticity but the vital entanglement and collision of topical viewpoints that matters here.
Amid such unique wreckage are strewn revealing glints that no reputable source or forum can supply.
It can make you think in ways that in-depth studies of sanctionable material and debate in typical settings never will.
Your final WAKE UP SHEEPLE is not tongue-in-cheek, but perhaps unwittingly ironic.
For all its vast deficits, when you leave Reddit, you aint goin' nowhere.
Sorry that you lost your sense of humor. We may be sheep sometimes, but at least we attempt communication. Banal or intelligent doesn't really matter anyway. Perhaps the real issue is taking reddit too seriously. Who cares about getting up or down voted... Lighten up, get laid, express yourself. Best of luck finding utopia.
He didn't lose his sense of humor. He lost his patience and sense of novelty and purpose.
I remember down-modding you! I feel exactly the same way. The people here are the reverse of ignorant pious hill-folk--They're ignorant self-important liberal "intellectuals".
Now let me qualify that: not all of you, apparently. There.
No need to take it so seriously man, its just an entertaining website.
I disagree. I think, at some point, it becomes more than entertainment. This is especially true because of all the political and other ideological topics. Now, sure, if all of Reddit was just programming, porn, and pictures of cats, you could dismiss the site as being "just an entertaining website", but I get the sneaking suspicion that sites like this influence people a lot more than is commonly supposed.
Don't forget, the internet was VERY REAL in helping get Obama elected.
Just like your view of reddit?
Well said. This guy is a lying hypocrite troll in so many ways. Why would anyone pay attention to a word he says. He's a troll with an agenda who is mad at people who are not trolls who have an agenda.
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goodbye, no one cares.
The government got to him.
Agree! now, everyone.. let's attack HIM for a faddish 3 weeks or so..then forget about it.
Huh, I never thought of it that way, poetry slams do kind of suck
ah, piss off, sore libertarian!
don't get sweet-talked by 911was_an_inside_job SHEEPLE! He's trying to lure you to join the dark side out of sympathy for the devil!! ...and if you go to the dark side, it'll be like lambs to the slaughterhaus. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
He'll sleep easy having the last laugh while you, my fellow redditors, will overanalyze your behaviour and lose sleep while counting sheep. i know you ain't asleep but WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
He's just trying to pull wool over your eyes!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
He's a wolf in sheep's clothing! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
Ron Paul this ... Ron Paul that ... that sheep has sailed senor!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
this was my tribute to you comrade 911was_an_inside_job. you will indeed be missed...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7720049.stm
hence I was born
"reddit takes something, gets very worked up about it, then either forgets about it or turns against it later."
If we kept the same topics all the time, it wouldn't be news. Nor would it always be interesting and fun to browse reddit. Having an attention span that isn't endlessly devoted to a few things is normal.
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PM me your password - someone needs to keep up the good work...
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All I see is
*******you can go hunter2 my hunter2-ing hunter2
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Can I have your account password for use in my Global Zionist One-World Government Conspiracy?
I think you misunderstand the whole RP/Obama connection. reddit went from picking its first choice (Paul) to picking the (hopefully) next best thing (Obama).
Remember what reddit hates -- fundie-christian-pushed governmental policies, imperialism/needless warmongering, etc. Aka, most of what the mainstream republican party cant get enough of.
To top that off, I think that a lot of the reddit readers realize that deregulation is a good thing, but senseless deregulation is not. For example, if the government provides utilities with effective monopolies, deregulating the prices for consumers doesn't make sense. I recently read a reddit submission noting that Paul thought somesuch deregulation was senseless and would lead to a worse situation.
reddit also realizes that republican presidents tend to spend more money, and democrats spend less money. This is important in our already bankrupt government.
Point is, reddit's change is simply a realization that Paul is very unlikely to have been elected, and Obama is probably the least likely to screw everything up.
Damnit, you know, I've been noticing this myself also. I find that my depth of knowledge has become pretty shallow more or less in proportion to the time I spend on reddit.
For instance I often try to tell someone about a story I read online, but discover that I have only a superficial recall of it. I'll almost end up suggesting to forward them the link. It's disconcerting.
I'm rethinking my whole reddit addiction. Again. So thanks I guess.
Good points in there for sure. One major problem I see here is that people with unpopular views often get down-modded to the point where they are forced to post their views once every X minutes (10 minutes for me in recent times). It makes having any form of conversation impossible and you just get drown by people who all disagree. So either you follow the reddit line for however long it takes to get enough positive karma that you can finally present your real views or you are forced to one post per 10 minutes. It's no surprise this place has turned into a big circle jerk. No new members with a differing view are ever going to be able to be strait forward from day one.
Sorry if anyone disagrees, I'm not going to bother debating it as I don't feel like waiting around 10 minutes just to reply.
Wow, you've endowed Reddit with magical qualities when really it's little more than an electronic washroom wall. It's not there to educate or uplift, it is misguided, ill-informed, biased and annoying - that's the point. If you consider yourself 'educated' as a result of reading Reddit, the problem is with you, not Reddit. Reddit isn't a replacement for thinking and doing in the real world but it's a fun diversion and often a lively forum for riffing on the fatuous and inane. So don't go - you can string a sentence together, change Reddit instead.
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If you're referencing RP rallies, good that you behaved as demanded or got special treatment.
You don't make any sense.
And Digg is worse. I'm extremely happy now that the election is over. At least the amount of BS that I have to fish through has decreased a bit.
Except for all the Obama the messiah posts.
The man hasn't even taken office yet, and still I can't turn around without finding some twit preaching about him as though he's the second coming of Christ.
I agree! But I think you could have saved us all a lot of time by simply saying "taking my toys and going home now".
I tend to think that people can only be woken up if they want to wake up. Therefore, people like you telling others to wake up doesn't really work. So, I salute you leaving reddit.
Or can people only wake up being dragged, kicking and screaming, out of the cave?
I think that will KNOCK THEM OUT, not wake them up.
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You went to the tea party in Austin too? That was fun.
Honestly, the first thing I thought when I saw this was "Thank God, I hate that fucking sheeple guy.", but you really were a part of the reddit I spent the most time on. Today's Reddit is different, as was pre Ron Paul Reddit. I think your gripes are common, Reddit's userbase isn't shrinking, but the Redditors of yesteryear are leaving to be replaced by the Redditors of today. Erm, SHEEPLE.
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Thank you for posting this. I've been trying to articulate some of the same feelings since I first discovered reddit as an undergrad at UVA (I thought it was cool this site came from people who are also alumni).
At first I was completely disgusted by the bias in the articles that made the front page, but after a while I became addicted because it made me challenge my own views. If I was going to criticize someone else's opinion, I needed to discover the truth for myself.
I think this is the most valuable part of any discourse- it forces you into a position where you have to seek out the reasons why you think the way you do. In the end, the karma points are meaningless. You take away from reddit what you put into it, which is to say that if you seek out differing opinions with an open mind and can reason your way to the truth in the midst of the mob mentality, you will be that much better prepared to deal with the ambiguities of real life.
I agree and here is another problem. I don't mind that people on reddit trive on polarizing content.
What pisses me off is when you try to have post any CONFLICTING views and debate the conflicting reviews like reasonable people.
For example, lets say there is a good article from foxnews, that might slight towards the right.
As opposed to debating the content, redditors will go "GASSSSP!!! that link is from FAUX NEWS!!! I won't read that, show me another link from CNN or BBC".
Thank you, for making me much happier with my surroundings.
You. Are. Win.
Oh yeah, lets listen to the anonymous troll who takes himself a little too seriously.
Please don't go! :*(
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I dunno man, perhaps thinking is down to the individual? 'Not really encouraged', agreed; though you'd hope that everyone here can work with enough mental latitude to keep a website as a tiny component of a larger world view. If nothing else then it's certainly got you thinking. No?
Mind you, I'm probably not who you're aiming at. I don't fiddle around here for cultural discourse, only to gather a general smattering of what's around online at any given moment... There's no better method of procrastination when there's work to do (right this second).
On a not/ almost entirely unrelated note, check out Slavoj Zizek on Google video should you get a moment. Juss' a hunch but I think you might enjoy him...
Mebe have a look at this
You'll be back.
I agree with you generally, and I thank you for your well reasoned post.
There is one thing that bugs me though, I had this possibly ill conceived notion that the Ron Paul fans were separate from the Obama fans here. I might be wrong but did that many people jump ship from Ron Paul to Obama?
I sure as hell didn't. Fuck Obama! Go Ron Paul!
And I only supported Ron Paul as an interesting and valid alternative viewpoint to my views. I was always probama.
per se
I removed all political/economical subreddits and reddit is fine.
Wait ... you mean, it wasn't an inside job???
I'm open minded about 911. Always have been. That means I don't think I know whatever happened that day, all obscured by too much smoke and inanity. Other than that, great post, one of the best I've ever seen around here.
Please don't go not all the sheeple are awake yet.
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I tip my hat to you sir.
See you teusday, zhongwen ftw
Translation: Reddit has degenerated.
It is funny though, that you have seen reddit as degenerating over time. Everything in life does. Which philosopher said that the current generation was dumber than the last?
Everything just repeats itself, everywhere.
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I am going to miss it. However phenomenons like you also add a lot for me to reddit. It really doesn't have to be one synchronized mass of super intelligent and intellectual discussions. Hope to see you, as 911 or else.
Realizing that it was really an inside job kills the fun in trolling truthers.
Though, some of your stuff was truly funny.
Who is reddit?
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Welcome to the GOP
Amazing candor! And over 300 points. Never done that before. You're right. Reddit has its favorites and it's no credit to the site. This is a forum that boasts free speech credentials but clearly expects its users - its sheeple - to employ a filter. Well said! Hey look - sheeple can blush!
you could have just said something about jews kidnapping your kid brother and you needing to find him...
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And it's closed minded not close minded.
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Thanks. You woke me up.
and that's why I tend to ignore political articles
I totally agree.
There is a topic that has been on here quiet a bit more than '8' times and I have an opinion. . .but I will never state it here. . .I get mocked for grammatical and spelling license (which I give myself) The understanding and listening portion of some people's brains seem disengaged here.
four or five words to impart the distain that is felt towards someone else's opinion. brave.
okayee. . I don't need to play your game.
I will just quietly down mode and up mode.
I think you're being silly, just stay and do whatever you wish within the ToS. The lies in the 911 Report don't necessarily have to be exposed in order for us to move forward as a nation. In fact, we probably have to move forward for a long time before any headway can be made there. Powerful people holding lots of strings don't like going to prison. We can't send them there now, so let's just try and move forward with the small victory we have in Obama being elected.
This hasn't been that different from any other period in American history, we've just been more aware of it due to increased levels of communication. Somehow we all managed to more or less get by and wait patiently for the evil of the past to be exposed in time.
So, you are going to create another reddit login and stop using this one? Hopefully you will get something like 911_is_still_an_inside_job! :-)
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911_was_an_inside_job: I agree with you. Don't give up, but it's good to shout at Redditors because most of them are mean pricks from the RTFM crowd. They aren't worth the bag to suffocate them in.
Oh yeah, and 911 was an inside job. Now I won't be able to get that song out of my head the rest of the day. I can't find it on YouTube anymore, but it said something like, "911 was an inside job. It was you sucka." and had black letters on a red background.
Yeah but there's a jailbait subreddit.
I'm sorry, but I can't help but say that it is "per se" not "per say". Besides that, good on you.
bye
WAKE UP SHEEPLE !!!
Its a Government double agent.
i suggest you stop reading all together my friend. insight is exactly that, in sight. Shut down all media and good luck.
Reddit is full of a bunch of fucking commie dorks. Your post reflects my viewpoints 100% spot on. I always post things to rile the roost, but you're right, its pointless.
I have to say, you are an idiot. What is it with people who start treating websites like this as an individual person. This is idiotic behaviour. Maybe you aren't used to the internet, or dealing with groups, but reddit is a group of people, so your random diatribe is meaningless. You can't control a group like it is your 2 year old.
If you have something better to do, then fuck off and do it. What is the need to explain yourself. I guarantee you, reddit won't care (the person). And the group, we will not even notice your absence.
This was one of the most intelligent and true posts I think I've ever read on reddit. I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. Thank you for expressing how many (though sometimes seemingly few) of us truly feel.
Wait... you lost me at Ron Paul. Maybe the fact that you took this nutcase so seriously is why others didn't take you seriously. WAKE UP 911WAS_AN_INSIDE_JOB!
Unless... this is some crazy ruse to flush out the Ron Paul fanatics.
We are a generation that doesn't believe in any religion, we are probably the first generation ever to see religion for what it really is. And we don't like what we see. Scientologists, Mormons, Catholics, Evangelicals... they are all fundamentally the same, they all round up sheeple, take their money, brainwashes all free thinking thoughts from their heads and turns them into blind zombies ready to rally against any cause they are told to follow.
So yeah, I think you yourself have summarized our feelings on religion; WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
You are a reptoid neocon jew who now supports Rahm Emanuel.
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Lazy fucker.
TL;DR
Lazy fucker.
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Lazy fucker.
Hey, I read that comment!
I am awake and you are severely constipated! I can't blame you for leaving, though. Red Dit Sucks NWO Cock - Out Loud & Very Proud!!!
Agree completley. Reddit has become overgrown with idiotic, mindless, anti-American Obama supporters. When I post an opposing viewpoint, I usually am called a troll, and my viewpoint dismissed without argument. Even when I am able to engage some of the mindless people(usually on controversial topics such as gay marriage, evolution/creationism, Israel/palestine, or guantanamo) they never attempt to win the argument, just to get personal with me.
CONSPIRACY! You must have had a gun to your head when you wrote that ;-)
Wrong, it is a community. And like most communuities it has fads, agreements, disagreements, moments of distinction and moments of shame. It's warts and all, what the interweb does best.
I for one will be happy to see your boring, repetitive comments gone … no doubt to be replaced by someone else with one joke. Please come back as a real human being. If you disagree with the 'reddit majority' then by leaving you are only strengthening the thing you despise.
boo
I've been considering quitting for a while now, and I've only been here a few months. I first was drawn in by the Ron Paul movement. It seemed this site was the best place to get news on him and I enjoyed the community.
Then something odd happened. I met the real community. It's a sad thing really, how insanely hive minded all the people on here are. I aruge against truthers and I get downmodded. I argue that cops as a collective aren't corrupt and that it's the system, and I get downmodded. I argue that Obama is not the greatest damn thing since slice bread and the same community that used to praise Paul downmod me for being against their charismatic black dude with a policy as flimsy as tissue paper.
It got to the point that I removed myself from /Politics. No one on there was actually discussing anything, simply sucking Obama's dick while making sure to bash Palin at every possible availability. But I couldn't escape it, in every single subreddit I was hit with political news that I no longer even cared about and tried to distance myself from on purpose.
So now I just come to reddit for the laughs and the daily pop. I come here to amuse myself with the funny pictures, the new memes, and whatever other amusement I can find. I've stop coming here for enriched intelligent discussion because there isn't any. Reddit has turned completely hive minded and I swear if I hear one more story about how "all pigs are evil" I'm going to punch someone through the tubes.
I left a while back. I come back under another username just to avoid being harrassed by the enemies I made. How did I make those enemies? First, I questioned Ron Paul and warned against a cult of personality (I am a big libertarian, but I think its only fair to put your own guy under the fire once in a while). Then I started becoming critical of Obama and other things. I wasn't trying to troll, I just disagree or play devil's advocate.
I got sick of it. My posts started becoming more and more emotional, since the replies were more and more emotional. I felt it was time to put this moniker to rest.
I used to have a lot of faith in people, but after lambasted time and time again for having differences of opinion (replies to which were very rarely based on any sort of fact or evidence, the one time someone actually gave evidence, I changed my mind and was sympathetic to his cause). I was being dragged down.
I don't post anymore under this name, and my new name, I rarely try to make waves. I just can't stand sitting there watching the glowing red envelope and knowing that behind that envelope are about 12 people's verbal abuse. Life is too short, and I am not going to change anyone's mind; everyone's mind is already made up... What's the point?
This place is an elementary school play ground, and I am tired of being bullied.
Seriously, go fuck yourself. You've got to be all kinds of fucked up to quit a website - A WEBSITE - and then come back to tell us all why.
Take your ball and go home.
oh, you're from texas. that explains it.
Thank you for leaving reddit. Don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave.
People like YOU are the reason reddit sucks (to some degree). I am sick of people like you trying to push your stories down our throats. I am sick of being regarded as a sheeple who must be awakened to your superior political opinions. I am sick of people like you who think they know what I should read. If I wanted that, I'd go turn on the TV to FOX News.
I read reddit because sometimes people post links that I might have missed, stuff they think is cool and that others might WANT to read too. But whenever I see a post with a clear agenda, I always hit the Hide button. "Sheeple-wakers" are a monumental waste of my time. Even the reddit system is designed to prevent your abuses, that's why they have systems to find abusers like you and ban them.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Go away and stay away.
Whoosh?
Or is this comment a sort of meta-troll?
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Lazy fucker.
TL;DR
Lazy fucker.
Thank you.
aw, we'll miss you.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I see you point for the most part, except perhaps on the atheist thing. Considering the entirety of atheism can be sumed up effectively in the statement "there is no god" and how unrelated views of any atheist can be fairly different it isn't really surprising how much fun poking goes on in the sub reddit. If a religious person finds out I am an atheist it usually means a long and annoying conversation in which they try to "save" me or some such nonsense and personally I enjoy a little cathartic release in the form of satire. In addition, issues that atheists are concerned about, like how evolution is taught, only even exist because there are christian groups fighting for ignorance.
Yep. The complaint about the atheism subreddit goes for pretty much any other gathering of atheists. I used to belong to an atheist student group, and we basically just Christian-bashed a while until we got off-topic and started talking about Simpsons and Star Trek. It was nice to have my ego stroked and beliefs affirmed, but it got pretty tiresome. I also found myself having to play Christ's Advocate pretty frequently, because too many flimsy attacks on Christianity were otherwise going unchallenged.
The core of the problem is that there really aren't "atheist issues," except to the extent that our rights are infringed upon by religious groups. And generally these issues are blown out of proportion, as that's the only way we have anything atheism-related to discuss. The middle ground between 'closeted atheist' and 'anti-religion agitator' is rather narrow.
As a biochemist I have a little more direct vested interest in the religious rights attacks on science. As a rationalist I find that religion insulates people from feeling the need to critically analyze their decision making processes and that that leads to a whole host of problems.
We may disagree, but I think pointing out how ridiculous some of the things these people do is important in its own right. Plus when I counter protest shouting preachers who harass students it is nice to have recent examples of what I disagree about with religion.
Quite true, though I think ego-stroking and that warm feeling of self-righteousness drives these discussions more often than not. It's difficult to say whether the debate aids the 'pro-evolution agenda' or merely fans the flames of creationism. Atheists would probably do well to educate themselves better on the finer points of evolution, rather than trying to find all of the ridiculous parts of the Bible. Personally, my familiarity with the evidence for evolution is pretty slim, because I understand the general principal well enough in my mind and trust that there is overwhelming evidence for it.
My girlfriend is a biochemist going into teaching high school. She's very disturbed by the possibility of being forced to teach creationism.
You are so wrong I won't even bother to retort. Stop stating your perception as fact. This is a good site that you can make whatever you like of it.
People are faddy and easily swayed by cute headlines - I think that's Democracy in a nutshell. That's why it failed for the Greeks and would fail again now if it wasn't for the fact our legislatures are about as democratic as the oil cartel in the TV series 'Dallas'. Unfortunately, Reddit is clearly far too democratic, which is why you're off. Anyone want to join me in starting a military junta here?
tl,dr: reddit is a shithole, intellectually depressing place. The only valid reason for hanging out here is trolling unsuspecting victimis who actually believe that everything said to you on the interwebs is pure gold.
I'm sorry that you're leaving.
I still find reddit one of the better online news communities, and I've been in quite a few. All of them go downhill after a while, but in my opinion, you're one of the people who have kept reddit "up" for a bit longer.
I'll miss you, and I wish you luck in the future.
tldr
Lazy fucker.
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thanks for the link, i need many more for when sites like digg etc get top heavy.
Downmodded because we're simple minded folk here at reddit. Your comment is about 90% too long.
A 9/11 truther?
Don't let the door hit you on the butt.
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Sounds like you have a karma problem...
I don't support obama, and I use Reddit. I also don't support McCain. 911 WAS an inside job- make no mistake. And anyone that tells you different is an idiot, or working for the government, or both. I am called a troll because I refuse to bend to the will of the ignorant masses that are in agreement with their stupid selves, and instead work with documented truth.
I feel your pain on the cascades of imbeciles and their downmod posses. There will however, always be those of us that refuse to go with the flow, no matter how many lemmings say it's clever.
You'll never be as good a troll as 911 was an inside job. Give up.
That's because I only appear to be a troll to peasants so goddamned stupid and poorly read they are unaware that what I say is actually true and documented. Then comes the inevitable sad pwnage of the moron as he is slowly shown the error of his "logic" or "facts".
Fixed that for you.
I think you take reddit a little too seriously...
It's a side effect of not tolerating lies and stupidity.
You really are on the wrong site... Stupidity is 90% of what reddit is...
Heeeeeeere we go again
Agreed. I'l believe he's leaving when he deletes his account.
DIRBTG isn't the one leaving, Vi.
Yeah, someone telling the truth that disagrees with your television. When you will be able to take enough pharma-meds to block out all that annoying truth and go back to shopping, getting fat and breeding?
Shut up mom! I'm not wasting time on the Internet, I'm telling idiots the truth!
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