Mentally Challenged Man Beaten to Death [NSFW] Lets bring this criminal to justice!
Posted Aug 20, 2009, 4:13 PM UTC
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I just called the Police in Hanford, California. They had no clue that this video existed. I'm reporting it all now. WTF.
Edit: The dispatcher found the video on Youtube and is "having an officer look into it and call me back."
Edit2: Apparently, from the info in the old video, this happened in Washington DC. The Hanford PD forwarded the info/link to a detective in Washington DC and he called me. He watched the video, was stunned, and said "I'm gonna forward this to my guys in Cold Cases and try to get to the bottom of this."
Edit3: The details of where this happened are still being worked out. However, the D.C. police as well as the Hanford police are working together to get to the bottom of this. I've submitted tons of info to the detective via email, all thanks to the awesome sluthiness of my felllow redditers.
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It was in Dumfries VA in 1984. At the very end of the video Billy Joe Blythe states the year. The dojo closed years ago from what has been gathered but an approximate location is known. We believe it was at Dumfries shopping plaza, 17988 Fraley Blvd, Dumfries, VA. Still working on getting better shots of the current store front area to compare to video's of the front of Blythe's Martial Arts Studio in the 80's so we can get an exact address.
Billy Joe Blythe is the instructor and is currently residing in CA. He is currently not teaching martial arts and I believe is retired.
The black belt who actually assaults the victim is Willie J. Dennis and I believe he currently resides in FL. There are conflicting reports as to whether he is actively teaching martial arts. He was convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon years after the incident (pistol whipped his son in law) and I believe is currently on trial for another assault (no details or solid confirmation yet but people have attempted to contact DA and Judge involved in the case).
The name or status of the victim is not currently known. Someone posted a video of what they claim is the victim still practicing but it was taken down fairly quickly. Possibly by admins at bullshido.net to protect his identity and rightfully so.
When they contact you can you give them the link to http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535 which is where the investigation started? It's up and down right now because of heavy traffic but all the information gathered so far should be there and the admins have been collecting evidence and have been in touch with Prince William County authorities (they have jurisdiction over Dumfries). They have also done a transcript of the original as well as taking stills from that and other video's to ID everyone there at the time if the attack.
They have also asked for assistance if anyone wants to help. Just keep in mind the thread I posted is for information only. There is a separate thread for support and discussion.
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Thanks for the link. The detective should contact me tomorrow and I'll let him know I just emailed it. I saw a forum posting earlier today on bullshido.net and I did forward that to the detective. He seems like a real professional guy and is taking this very seriously. Like others have written, he stated there is indeed no statute of limitations for murder. Some redditers have written that we don't have proof this guy was murdered, but it seems quite apparent and the detective seemed to feel similarly.
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I feel like every authority in the US is after these guys. I talked to FBI agents, police in Connecticut, police in Florida, and police in Washington D.C. about this (many of whom had not heard about it until I called).
Everyone I've spoken to has been very professional and seem to be taking it quite seriously.
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Awesome. I don't think he died but someone was looking into Virginia law and said they don't have statute of limitations on fellonies. So this can easilly be prosecuted as assualt with a deadly weapon. Even though he didn't have weapon some states consider kicking someone in the head while they are on the ground is considered assault with a deadly weapon. At the very least it would be prosecuted as felony assault.
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I just called my local FBI office. I gave them the information to view the link, and the gentleman with whom I spoke said that they will be looking into it. I asked him if there was any way I would be able to find out what was going on, and he said that they would not contact me, but if they take the video down, it will have been a result of the involvement of the authorities.
I'd love to know how people end up getting called back by police and the like, but I'm just glad that I actually did something instead of just sitting on my hands.
I'm really hoping to hear that arrests are made or something. I had considered calling this Blythe person, but I'd rather not get involved in the mob side of things.
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Well, video was taken down.
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=915208&page=1
In this thread as I have posted up top, a woman i believe also says that it happened in washington dc in the early 90's not in the 80's.
sorry for the double link....
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the guy himself at the end of the video says "December 13, 1984"
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At the end of the video, the person holding the camera says the date. Not 90's. Possibly they are thinking of a similar but different case?
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It was in Virginia. There was some confusion on this it's been pretty much confirmed.
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Good job man, I just got a damn electronic system when I called...
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Bravo dude.
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Great job, sir. Thank you so much for this.
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How in the world is that not murder? If you haven't seen the video be warned that a man does appear to be murdered in it (or at least very severely beaten). Sheesh.
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That kick to the neck when he was down was deeply disturbing, and the fact they they simple dragged him away without anyone checking to see if he was seriously hurt makes them all accountable in my book.
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I agree. It's made even worse by that floor stand his head is angled on. Then the weird breathing sound he makes just as they start dragging him. Bad, bad stuff.
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I once watched another 'screw driver & hammer' murder halfway before I had to stop. Since then I have no longer any wish at all to click at such things. I have seen and enjoyed movies like Saw & Hostel, but when you know that stuff you are seeing is real - somehow it becomes different and it makes you want to puke.
So, ditto.
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Unfortunately, I already am. I watched it an though, "Well, he's dead." Then saw "fake" by someone and thought.."idiot doesn't know real death." Not upset enough to get ill. I guess death I am desensitized to. I do want the joke for a human that did this to go to jail for the rest of his life.
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It's nothing you haven't seen in a UFC match.
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That breathing sound is usually referred to as a "death rattle". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_rattle
While it is medically established that the death rattle is a strong indication that someone is near death, it can also be produced by other problems that cause interference with the swallowing reflex, for instance, brain injuries.
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I've heard a death rattle live and in person before. That's no death rattle. That's more than likely his medulla sending freak signals to his respiratory system due to the blunt trauma.
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My basketball coach is an x marine and gave us some pre-game speech and talked about how he heard the "death rattle", we were all kinda freaked out a little before the game..
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i wish i hadn't watched either... but now i'm glad I at least watched with no volume.
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the breathing noise he was making in the end was disturbing, i cannot shake it out of my head...i wish i didnt watch it
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The fact that the guy killed was respectful the entire time and pleaded for the guy to stop near the end is the most disturbing part of it.
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I did the same.
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me too.... man. I feel ill even without volume. Can't even stomach my morning coffee.
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That's the thing that got me. Everything else looked like a normal fight - the combo of the breathing and the dragging just made it all too real for me. And that shit happens EVERY DAY.
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The only other time I've heard something breath like that was when my friend accidentally hit a dog with his boat trailer.
The dog was chasing the van and slowed down not realizing that there was a big fender on the trailer still heading towards it, hit him right at the base of the skull.
The people weren't home and we stayed with the dog until it died, but the entire time it was breathing like that and it's eyes were pitching back and forth rapidly, completely unresponsive.
I've seen milder stuff like that happen when someone gets knocked out, I think it's after loss of consciousness and damage to the brain stem.
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the weird breathing sound he makes just as they start dragging him.
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Not just your book. The law would agree with you.
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Everyone in that room is complicit of the murder. I am trained in martial arts and if I saw my master pull shit like that I'll dial 911 for an ambulance and fetch the cops and media on that fat clown in no time.
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I was never much of a fighter, but after seeing that video the first thing that was on my mind was wiping out everyone complicit in that crime one at a time with a rifle from a long distance away.
Then the anger was replaced with melancholy, and now I don't know what to think of people in general anymore.
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I commend you, but in this environment, you might find your ass in the dumpster right next to the other guy.
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Peer pressure never really worked on me and I made many enemies for not following the group when I saw injustice or something ethically wrong. So I don't see why I would do it differently this time.
I also have absolutely no doubt that I have more than enough intelligence and judgment to do something effective and not some half assed impulsive idiotic stunts that would get me in trouble.
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I bet the guy would kill you too if you said anything right away.
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Good point but I bet I would be able to identify the situation.I could simply go outside if necessary to make my phones call if I knew that those were such hostile savages. (Besides, those are very slow overweight mediocre fighters, just run if you are in trouble and they will die from hearth failure.)
Even more realistically I probably be in another club because after 15 minutes with an uneducated asshole like that, I would already think that the dude sucks and be out and to find another club. I am maybe a bit picky, but I just don't hang out with uncivilized clowns. My ex master not only knew how to fight (and would have destroyed anyone in that room) but also was an architect and an interesting person. My previous one was a programmer and very level headed too.
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they simple dragged him away without anyone checking to see if he was seriously hurt
What are you talking about? You could clearly hear that his trachea was broken by the way he was breathing, and everyone in the room knew it. They didn't have to check to see if he was seriously hurt, because they already knew he was - they even threw him into a dumpster!
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That is the sound someone makes when they are seriously knocked out.
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You could clearly hear that his trachea was broken by the way he was breathing
You might be right, but a buddy of mine was making that sound after a bad ski accident that I witnessed. He survived. In any case, there was no justification for this. Either way, these guys should be dealt with according to law. He should have gone straight to a hospital.
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Agree with spacecase26, I've heard people breathe like that after being knocked out in boxing. It's almost like snoring.
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Reading what the instructor had to say about the incident is just as disturbing. He doesn't have one ounce of remorse.
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Well, I'm not convinced that he died. If he did, I agree that it is indeed murder.
I think that the "marine" was embarrassed as hell at the fact the the schizo guy could kinda fight and decided to show what a man he was by stomping on him when he was down. What a P.O.S.
http://s715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/dimworks/wtfhat.jpg <--- Also, WTF is this guy wearing at 4:36 into the video?
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I called the number and his machine immediately picked up. In the anon voice:
"The world saw what you did to that helpless defenseless soul. We are watching and judging your actions. This is your one chance. Run away as far as you can. Change your name, we know far too much about you. We know where you live (cited his address) and for your actions, you will soon know what it is like to be someone else's mangled corpse to be beaten and stomped upon. And when we catch you, your house and business will be razed to the ground. Your body will be hidden far away where no one will find or ever come looking for it. Your days are numbered. Your life will soon be over. Tell any of your family members to stay hidden as well. They will soon know of these hidden skeletons through every means necessary. Let everyone you know know about your unspeakable acts of evil, and then run. The FBI knows. We know. Your day of reckoning is upon you. Your life is over. Run."
Think that shook him up a bit? I also forwarded this video to every friend of his through facebook with a simple "Your friend Bobby killed a mentally challenged person and the police are looking for him. Please watch the video" and forwarded this video to the FBI and CIA's website, Hanford Police Department, American Fugitive Task Force, Wetip.com and thecrimereport.org
I also signed him up for a Marine recruiter to come visit his house to speak with him and attached the video with a statement that said "This man brutally killed a mentally challenged man and did so, he claims, in the name of the Marines. Please contact him and explain to him that killing a defenseless, already conceding man is not a modicum of the Marine Corps."
Waiting for these entities to reply back. Will update with anything that anyone replies back with.
edit: First wave of replies--
Friend on facebook: omg how old is this video? thats terrible. i couldn't watch it all. Me: It truly is. I'm a assuming you're a personal friend of his, could you do me a favor and send Bobby a message asking him asking what kind of condition he is in today? Her: ok.
Another friend on fb: I know. i've seen this video. Me: Alright just thought you should know about your friend. (No response)
e-mail From Wetip.com: We appreciate the previously presented information regarding this matter. We are doing everything within our jurisdiction to inform local law enforcement of the alleged crimes committed by the suspected individual. Please check back frequently using your Pin Number for any updates involving this case. Thank you for your continued support of bringing to justice unsolved murders and wanted criminals.
edit2: His facebook page has been disabled. At least most of his friends will see it despite his page being deleted. Nothing back from the law enforcement agencies yet. Just spam mail from the Marines Recruiting Office. Will keep everyone posted. To all those opposing my actions so far: I say to you this, "Vigilante Justice is a dish best served cold!"
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I've got loads of respect for you. I'm sure the facebook forwarding is going to hit him hard.
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Dude, we don't know conclusively that the guy has been killed. People need to be alerted, but I find the "ANON" posturing somewhat mobbish and corny. "Your day of reckoning"?
Let's not turn into an irrational mob, let's get more info.
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I cannot upvote this enough. I'm normally against going after people via these kinds of methods, however this piece of shit deserves everything coming to him. Rarely do I wish bad things upon people but this son of a bitch needs to be dragged out into the street!
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That's awesome. I'll be refreshing this for a while to see the updates.
Edit: Nice updates. I'm sure friend #2 is on his side so it'll be pointless to keep messaging them.
At least friend #1 now knows that her friend (hopefully not a friend anymore) is a douche bag.
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You're the man.
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Thanks for doing that.
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Again, thank you so much for this.
Please try as much as possible to keep everyone updated.
I feel so sick after watching this video.
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Commended. You are one of the few who act, not just speak.
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i feel like i can get on with my day knowing that you're on the job my man. Thank you.
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You are awesome. Thank you.
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Good job man.
EDIT: However your death threats weren't such a good idea. It was OK to call is voice mail to make him upset by saying that he is now in deep shit but you could have accomplish the same without the death threats. The rest was absolutely the right thing to do.
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You are truly brilliant. At worst you just committed an assault on an innocent man by issuing a death threat. At best, you warned a guilty man to go into hiding, and interfered with a police investigation (in addition to the assault you committed). What were you trying to accomplish? Can you please explain? Did you think through the consequences of your actions before taking them?
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So, not to take anything away from the severity of the beating, but you really shouldn't be threatening his family and friends. They had nothing to do with this.
The guy in the vid didn't die. No one else should lose their life over this, not even the attacker.
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Nice job criminally threatening to murder someone and commit arson . Oh, and then posting about it in a public forum.
Seriously, did you even give one second's thought of letting the proper authorities handle this before picking up the phone to call this guy?
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Wow, you obviously are totally full of yourself. Keep going with that 'Mob Justice' and see where it gets you.
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yes! lets all get the pitchforks and torches! Burn the motherfucker! Let's eat his motherfucking babies! Courts? Fuck em! We KNOW what's right! Let's find his fist grade teacher and beat the shit out of him as well for allowing such a monster to pass thru the system! Does he have a dog that we can slice up and feed to his cats?
Or we could just make the officials aware of the crime and give them the video. It's always best to report the crime and not do the vengeance thing. Speaking of, I sent the FBI and FL state police a transcript of the death threat you sent to the man. Hope you were smart enough to use a fake account and the TOR.
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Not "Stashed" it was "I want his sash".
I was at a party once where a dude was knocked out. Thats how you breath when knocked out sometimes.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535 has already run a investigation/internet campaign and sent this info to prosecutors.
The man was not killed, the cops came later and took him away.
Try researching a bit.
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The man was not killed, the cops came later and took him away.
There is nothing in that thread that indicates this.
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Your link doesn't load.
Best case scenario it was attempted murder.
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I was wondering the same thing. I've seen someone make sounds like this during a concussion (ski accident). Either way, it's still deplorable. And the blood. Remember, a concussion can kill if not monitored. They should have taken him straight to a hospital.
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That the cops came and took him away is the story the perpetrator of the crime provided. No one knows its validity.
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Thats how you breath when knocked out sometimes.
Is it normal to have blood pouring out of your head like that?
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So does anyone else go to his FB page, look up his FB friends, and email each of them this video link to see what they think? That would be interesting.
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Can we put it on wikipedia?
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I just sent as many messages as i could to his friends and family on his facebook list before facebook stopped me for spamming people. This is what i sent:
A video of Bobby Blythe standing by while murder is committed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoFxPLJBZE
Watch the youtube video, and you will see that he simply allows a mentally challenged man to be beaten to death, and then brags about the act. I felt that as someone who knows this sick man, you may be able to get the truth out.
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Please reply to this if you successfully message him or his friends.
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Not necessarily, people that go unconscious from a choke make that wheezing noise all the time. I'm a BJJ instructor, and when I hear that noise in class I know someone waited too long to tap and went out. Some people will wheeze like that for awhile after the choke is released, and some people need a throat massage to start breathing again.
Edit: For those that don't believe me, watch this video with a similar finish..the guy later gets up and goes home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULOEYdKzZxI (about 2:35 in for you short attention span bastards)
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some people need a throat massage to start breathing again
So a simple "drag him out the back" would not be considered suitable treatment?
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I'm a BJJ instructor
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A friend of mine was teaching me choke holds and throws and we were also just hanging out, goofing around. When he went to leave he started another "fight" and when I got him in a choke hold he refused to tap out or quite struggling.
When he suddenly stopped moving, I let go of him and he wasn't breathing. For about three seconds I was scared to death I'd killed the damn guy, when finally he took in a great wheezing breath and kept wheezing for another minute. The first little bit his eyes didn't even focus.
Then he was fine. True Story. I'm not big on playing around with choke holds now.
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Yeah, I've seen guys breathe like that after getting knocked out in MMA fights. He doesn't have to be dead.
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Except for the fact that his opponent crushed his neck with incredible force at a bad angle. Face it, that's certain death whether he was breathing that way or not.
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Mmmm, sounds like a delightful class... People attend voluntarily, then?
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You might be right. I have a tough time fathoming the brand of stupidity that would take a video of their involvement in a murder, put it on youtube and brag about it.
For this reason I'm kind of doubting that the guy actually died... but you never know. Some people are just that stupid.
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these people didn't post the video to youtube, someone else found the tape and did so...
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just one check: are you absolutely, POSITIVELY sure that the facebook link for the Bobby Blythe is the same scumbag Bobby J. Blythe in the video? we don't want to bother the wrong guy.
if you googled "bobby j. blythe facebook" your first result will show up "Bobby Joe Blythe - Fresno, CA | Facebook," and if you clicked on that you'd get a "page requested cannot be found" error. so that profile was either renamed or removed (possibly from this firestorm)
The second result shows the same Bobby Blythe you linked. I just want for you to confirm that you KNOW it's the same guy, and not a random stranger who's about to feel the wrath of reddit.
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I think the wheezing came from a broken nose, not a "broken trachea". I'm skeptical that I just watched a murder.
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I'm skeptical that I just watched a murder.
That's only relevant to charges and sentencing. It is irrelevant to whether this is barbaric and illegal or whether these guys need to be brought to justice (if they haven't been).
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Did you miss the part where they admitted that he was found in the dumpster dead behind his Dojo?
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That's what I thought too, a busted nose. I also thought it was probably something the people in the dojo had likely heard before, and therefore weren't overly concerned that the man's life was in danger.
I cannot conclude anyone died based on this video.
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There are a few other message boards that are all over this. From what I can tell, they did not kill the man in the video...
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I heard "I want the sash."
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I'm curious as to how you know he had a broken trachea, I mean, I've seen plenty of fights in my life and when people are knocked out or whatever, they make bizarre snoring/wheezing sounds, is that what the autopsy revealed?
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Take a close look at the video and you'll see that the assailant strikes the cervical portion of the trachea with his heel. Immediately afterwards, the victim begins wheezing. Of course, you would need a medical examiner to verify that the trachea was indeed broken by the strike, but it seems to be a valid assumption given: a) the location of the trauma, b) the force/speed of the strike, c) the sudden increase in respiration and the accompanied sound.
You can read more about tracheal collapse due to violent trauma here: http://www.chestjournal.org/content/37/3/262.full.pdf
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Ok ok ok, how the hell do you guys get such a large dose of info on people so quickly like that? WoW! You guys should be working for the FBI.
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pipl.com is an easy site to start.
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By the way, "Not Suitable For Work"???? Quite an understatement considering that this is very graphic and horrific murder.
Yeah, NSFW doesn't even begin to do it justice. There's a reason they pull things like this off youtube.
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NSFL, if you ask me. (Not Safe For Life.)
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We should make backups of these and and the video and forward them to the police and media.
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Not entirely sure on these, but these might be the records of Willie J. Dennis, along with birth-date? Willie's myspace said he was in Deerfield Beach, which is in Broward County. So I'm suspecting that this is the correct Willie J. Dennis. His myspace also said he was 50 years old, and the DOB for those cases would also be 50 years old.
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Apparently Blythe had a wikipedia page that was just removed today as well.
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Why doesn't someone submit it to his hometown news stations?
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You link to some mypsaces, and Facebook, and the video is enough to say the man was killed... when he was clearly breathing at the end. It was horrific no doubt it, but where's the proof he died?
Otherwise, GREAT INVESTIGATIVE WORK!
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You can hear him wheezing because the kick to the neck broke his trachea
Maybe you've never been knocked out/knocked someone out/been around someone getting ko'd before.
That sound has nothing to do with a broken trachea and everything to do with a short circuiting brain.
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That's what I'm talkin about! I need a new master. One that never makes me stop beating the defenseless.
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Sweep the leg, Kitten...
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That wheezing isn't his trachea, that's a fairly typical response to being knocked unconscious.
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Put a little more context on it http://www.totallycrap.com/magazine/bobby_joe_blythe_lets_a_black_belt_beat_a_mentally_challenged_man/
he doesnt die, but its still fucking fucked up.
Hopefully he gets brought to justice
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How does that link prove that he didn't die?
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Looks like a punching bag with a face on it.
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According to this comment, he lived.
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Yeah, so we're all supposed to believe karate marine has been tracking mental man this whole time like they're old penpals? I call SERIOUS bullshit. This is just a lame attempt to deflect guilt.
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I don't think the owner of the dojo would post the video if it showed one of his students murdering someone on camera. Beating the shit out of him, maybe. The linked video is not the original, but was taken from the owner's YouTube profile, though he has since deleted it.
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Looks like a dummy.
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I don't know what he is wearing, but I can see them dummy that wasn't their supposedly in that shot.
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Also, WTF is this guy wearing at 4:36 into the video?
That's a punching bag with a mask on it.
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Trust me...when you heard that heavy, fucked up breathing as they dragged him out...that was a crushed trachea. That guy was dead within 1 minute of them starting to drag him out.
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That's a grappling dummy that someone put a hat-thing on
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I think when a man gets hit in the head when it's been established noones gonna get hit, that man that got hit will retaliate ten fold.
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Thanks for saving me, I really don't want to watch such stuff.
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How do you know that? Do we have any references or citations?
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How do you know that?
According to the description in the video the guy's body was found in a dumpster outside the "dojo"
Do we have any references or citations?
The video.
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Do we see anything besides someone losing consciousness and receiving stomps?
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Where the FUCK is a link stating he died? You ever knock someone the fuck out? This is what happens! Fuck that, this ALWAYS happens, someone sees someone else get knocked out, and feel for the guy on the ground. That's cool and all, but a fight is a fight. And show me a link otherwise this guy got up and went to go fuck with another Dojo...
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Golly mister... you seem tough! I... I don't want any trouble from a super tough guy like you... please, please don't hurt me. You must have the biggest e-penis on the block!
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Because he was fucking with them and they weren't fucking with him? The "Master" was obviously mocking him. The student obviously threw the first blow, unprovoked. The other guy tried to quit several times, but the student wouldn't quit attacking. The knees and stomps on the ground were completely out of line. The guy was already out cold and the fight was over. If you don't intend to kill someone, don't drop your full bodyweight on their head. This was intentional. The blood pouring out the side of his head was a sure indicator of severe trauma. He needed immediate medical attention regardless if he was already dead or not.
Have you every knocked someone out? It doesn't look or sound like that. If someone gets choked out, they'll start snoring, but regain consciousness only seconds after the choke is released. If they get knocked out, their body goes limp. You'll hear some snoring, but nothing like that. He was wheezing. Also, anytime thick, dark red blood is flowing from the head, especially at that rate, it's not a good thing.
You have to be a troll.
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Because he was fucking with them and they weren't fucking with him? The "Master" was obviously mocking him. The student obviously threw the first blow, unprovoked. The other guy tried to quit several times, but the student wouldn't quit attacking. The knees and stomps on the ground were completely out of line. The guy was already out cold and the fight was over. If you don't intend to kill someone, don't drop your full bodyweight on their head. This was intentional. The blood pouring out the side of his head was a sure indicator of severe trauma. He needed immediate medical attention regardless if he was already dead or not.
Have you every knocked someone out? It doesn't look or sound like that. If someone gets choked out, they'll start snoring, but regain consciousness only seconds after the choke is released. If they get knocked out, their body goes limp. You'll hear some snoring, but nothing like that. He was wheezing. Also, anytime thick, dark red blood is flowing from the head, especially at that rate, it's not a good thing.
You have to be a troll.
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I had a hard time figuring out just who the mentally challenged one was. Then i realized, they all were.
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WEll it looks like its gotten on to a buncha sites and apparently the FBI is getting involved.
Glad to see the internet being used for something other then LOLcats, face plant videos and tenticle rape movies.
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well, his name is erectileprojectile...
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google is not your friend
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What? Do you want some recommendations?
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Where do you see that the FBI is getting involved? I'd like to know that this is true so I can rest easy.
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I read through the youtube comments some people posted links for different places and news that got ahold of it.
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Where did you read that the FBI is getting involved?
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apparently the FBI is getting involved
That means he assumes the FBI is getting involved because someone said they contacted the FBI. He didn't personally, nor does he know anyone personally who did, however.
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Contacting the FBI and them actually getting involved are two completely different things.
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What if the FBI is already working on this case, and contacting them will blow their cover....
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How can we be certain that this guy died? Besides the supposed "death rattle" which albeit sounds pretty terrible and would indicate a serious/life threatening injury, the only other supposed evidence of this man's death is some second hand testimony that his body was found in a dumpster. Is there a news article from 1984 that can show this man was actually found dead?
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There is no certainty he is dead. The information about him being found in a dumpster is from the Karate Instructor Billy Joe Blythe. He said they threw him in the dumpster and the cops pulled him out later. It was either in the original description when Blythe posted the video bragging or in the comment section of that video. It's been taken down but there are screen shots of them here.
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It's first hand testimony, and "being found in a dumpster" doesn't mean dead. It means they threw him back there because he was beat up bad.
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It means they threw him back there because he was beat up bad.
Which is itself a crime.
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Yeah, never said it wasn't. Just saying let's get the facts straight.
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Whether the guy died or not doesn't change what that sick bastard did, because it is just a matter of luck.
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Glad to see the internet being used for something other then LOLcats, face plant videos and tenticle rape movies.
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The instructor Bobby J Blythe had this to say about the incident:
'This dummy was in my shopping center while I was on a Bodyguard Job in Washington, DC. This guy was in the Pizza Hut eating pizza off the plates of others and the Pizza Hut Manager ran him out with a pistol. Later the very same day, police officers were called to remove him from a nearby pharmacy after having been caught reaching into customer's purses. A short time after that, he visited a Napa Auto Parts store next to my Karate Dojo and told the management he planned on teaching in that Dojo and that Jesus taught him.
'The Napa guys told him he was confused (their polite way of warning the man against such action), but not wanting to miss a show, they told the man they would close early just to watch and that he must not know the owner, which is nobody to play with.. Needless to say, the police pulled him out of the dumpster behind my Karate Dojo where he was neatly placed. Semper Fi to all my Marine brothers. The karate student in the white is also a Marine Sgt. and a brand new Black Belt. Never get stupid with a Marine, you could get jacked up and have your clock stopped.'"
So you beat him? When he clearly stated no contact (Kata). This is the equivalent of beating the homeless, and makes you more of a pussy. Your a disgrace to the Corps. Karma's a Bitch.
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It pains me that my USMC has walking shit-stains like this that think they are "Marine brothers". Go fuck yourself hoss, most of us joined to defend the world from punk bullies like you.
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It's Corps (Nitpicking, I know)
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I can't see how he originally spelled it, but if it was "core," it would also be fair to call this guy "a disgrace to the core," because he does indeed seem to be a disgrace to the core of his being.
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defend the world from punk bullies
The irony is palpable.
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Yeah, I'll concede that on a re-reading the wording could've been improved.
That not withstanding, the Marine Corps is not primarily composed of bullies. We have our bad apples, but not primarily.
Secondly, Let's read "defend the world from" as "try to be in the right place and time to improve the lives of others through the judicious employment of violence when diplomacy fails". But it just doesn't roll off the tongue or ring quite as clearly of jingoism ;)
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I'm glad that there are people like you in the military. I hope stand up against the bullies when you can. But I'm not sure that you are in the majority with your views regarding the whole military.
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You might be an exception or maybe this is your PR, but you know damn well that people like that are the ideal candidates for recruiters.
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Anyone who doesn't slam the door in your face is a good candidate for recruiters. A lot of those types DO get screened out in Boot Camp.
True sociopaths make it through, it happens.
Then they're trained to be the best at it. That's the problem
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"...the owner, which is nobody to play with."
The owner wrote that. What a meathead.
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Thank You. (for the video link. It was nice after having watched that video.)
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To the core? It is called the Marine Corps.
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I'm not a military guy, but i could swear I remember hearing it referred to as 'the core' in various movies and whatnot.
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"Corps," in this context, is pronounced "core," although I don't know why because the Latin root "corpus," is pronounced as it reads. Other examples are "Army Corps of Engineers" and "Peace Corps."
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Corps is a French word, as in esprit de corps.
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I see. Thanks.
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and I learned from a Type-O-Negative song that corpus means body.
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As much as some folks may hate to find this out, it's because it comes from the French translation of the word which is spelled "Corps" and pronounced "Core"
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To the core? It is called the Marine Corps.
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If it wasn't for the horrible attack on that guy, I'd want to laugh at this marine. What a pussy, he got thrown off by a couple of this other guy's ridiculous "moves". I thought marines were supposed to be able to fight worth a damn? Maybe it's just Karate.
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Did anyone else just read the comments to get a gist of what happened but didn't actually watch the video? I don't need to see this type of shit to ruin my day.
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There's a old white man who's the karate instructor, and a big black dude with gi and black-belt standing in the front of the dojo--we learn he is a Marine Sergeant. A lanky black dude dressed in black clothes with a kung fu sash is off to the side. The instructor is telling the "class" that the kung fu dude says he's a 10th degree red sash, taught by Jesus. He does so in a tone that is mocking of him, and then proceeds to ask him to demonstrate, saying "we are all here for knowledge".
The Marine then approaches the kung fu guy, who says something along the lines of "I won't demonstrate on him, I will demonstrate around him. I will use him to demonstrate a kata." But the Marine makes contact with a front kick, the kung fu guy says "stop, I'm not a fighter." He attempts to ward the marine off with some high kicks and arm flailing--he's had some training before, and the marine is taken by surprise.
The Marine then proceeds to get more and more aggressive, kicking and punching him with full force, shouting "eyahh" with every strike. The kung fu guy attempts to stop the fight at multiple times by saying "ok you're good", and "alright, you got it, you got it", but is beaten down. The Marine at one point has him on the ground and is punching his head, shouting "motherfucker", then throwing knees.
At the end, the Marine starts kicking his head so hard it slams a metal bar at the side of the dojo, but the fight doesn't stop there--the Marine starts stomping on his neck, still shouting "eyahh". Someone shouts "ok, enough", and the instructor says "take him out back". The video ends with a shot of the blood trail all the way across the floor, and the instructor saying "this is the trail the kung fu master made as he departed my dojo."
The video is very sick stuff. All parties involved with the dojo knew exactly how the fight would end, and made no efforts to stop it even when the mentally disabled kung fu man tried to back out.
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I like how you used the word mentally disabled as opposed to mentally challenged. Disabled applies to people being high as well I suppose.
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In all honesty, either I am just afraid of the unknown of Reddit's comments or a bloody desensitised bastard. Read the comments, watched the video, didn't feel as bad about it afterwards. I'll let you know when they let me out of the asylum. =/
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I did not watch it. I have seen enough crap on the internet to scar me for life. I just couldn't bring myself to watch this.
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I accidentally downloaded the Nick Berg beheading video a few years ago, labeled as a movie I was looking for on Limewire. I stopped it as soon as I knew what was going on, but the part I did see fucked me up for life. While I doubt this video holds any secrets, I chose not to see it either
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Yeah I did exactly the same thing. Haunted me for quite a while. Makes you embarrassed to be both human.
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Well, take solace in the fact that the Nick Berg beheading video is most likely fake, and that he's actually dead during the filming. There was an extensive debunking of the video posted a long while back, and it was almost certainly fake.
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I have heard that, but it was still horrific nonetheless
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Seriously. Imagine the generation prior us (I'm 24) they never had to see any of this shit! Neda, now this, I'm certain my parents have never watched a murder on youtube.
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Exactly. I'm 26. I wish this kind of shit would never be filmed.
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I didn't watch it either. There's just some things I don't want to get desensitized to.
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hear hear. I question if our brains can always deal with photographs, video, telephone, etc. Some films/art have brought up this subject. It's an old story, tree of knowledge (curse)
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This isn't as disturbing as some of the photographs I saw in my evidence class last semester of murder scenes. Nor is it nearly as disturbing as some of the elaborate details I read about murders. Sometimes, text can be more harmful than images. At least, it can be for me.
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My sister-in-law used to work in a photo lab that had the contract to develop crime scene photos for the local police force. My brother says she'd come home in tears some days.
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Whilst your point is valid and no one needs to see this to understand what a horrible thing has taken place, but being desensitized to something this horrible? I can't imagine that even being possible. I feel so sick right now.
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Don't watch it honey :( I just did.
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Get a room, you two.
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85 and 23? Each to his own I guess.
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Honey? Really?
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What? Do our nicknames not apply on Reddit? SORRY for embarrassing you my big sweetie, my big teddy bear, schnookie wookie
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By the way, I love that I just ran into your comment on here on accident!
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DAMNIT!!!! You have found out my secret...I'm sensitive!
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Hell yes I didn't watch it. The comments are stomach-turning enough, unfortunately...
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Yeah, where's that guy who examines the video second-by-second so I can judge whether or not I'm too big of a pussy to watch it... what the hell is his name?
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Gore_Describer or something of that sort...
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Seriously! Where is that guy?
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Yes, I typically rely on youtube comments for just this reason. Based on what I read it went something like this:
"Bitch got pwned!"
"Fucking nigger!"
"Fucking lul."
"Bitch!"
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I wish I had, I really regret watching the video. I feel nauseous now ... I guess I'm just naive enough to think that he wouldn't literally be beaten to death.
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Totally unrelated, but you feel nauseated, not nauseous :) The two are often confused.
And just so I don't seem TOTALLY off topic, this video was horrible. I'm glad to hear that actions are being taken on those fucks.
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Thanks for correction (and for doing so without trolling me : P ). I'm surprised I didn't know that.
As for people taking action, it looks like reddit is doing its part. One person that replied to another one of my posts said that he/she has been blowing up the fucker's phone all day ... I'm sure there are others doing the same.
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No problem. I didn't want to be THAT guy and correct someone, but this one is kinda neat to learn and most people get it wrong.
nauseous: Causing nausea; sickening.
nauseated: To be feeling, or having been caused to feel nausea.
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I wish I had done that. I felt almost traumatized after I saw it.
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I watched it and am glad that I did. Human nature is as it is, so observe it as so. What you latch onto is different, though one is weak if one cannot differentiate between the observation of a phenomena and an attachment to it or opining alongside it.
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If only I had the foresight that you have.
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I'm just hoping it turns out to be a staged snuff video.
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After the last 30 seconds of this video I started to hyperventilate and then I wept. WTF is wrong with people. He was headstomping the guy while he was down. Karate is about self-defense and that was mindless aggression. The guy gave up, more than once, and the beating continued. Also, EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE ROOM SAT AND WATCHED IT HAPPEN. Fuck these people. I hope they get what's coming to them. Hearing the man wheezing almost made me vomit.
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Karate is about self-defense
That was also after the teacher repeated to the class several times that they were there for "knowledge".
The guy tries to teach a kata and he didn't want to spar. He even said he wasn't a fighter. That teacher knew all along what was going to happen. Sick.
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Karate is SUPPOSED to be about self defense. Unfortunately with all the MMA shit that is the latest rage, Karate is the new backyard wrestling. A few of my coworkers suddenly got involved in martial arts a couple of years ago and they are some of the most agressive assholes I know. They constantly talk about picking fights with people in bars, sparring in the office etc. In my mind the true masters of martial arts are the ones who don't fucking advertise it.
/me going home to watch the Karate Kid.
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Unfortunately with all the MMA shit that is the latest rage, Karate is the new backyard wrestling
The video is from the 80s.
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Lioto Mashida is the only one I can think of that even practices karate, most of them are into Thai kickboxing and Jujitsu and wrestling. Also, I think Lioto is unbeaten.
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I honestly didn't watch the video. My day is dreary enough. Can anyone confirm this?
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It's a video from 1984. It says so right in the video.
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The asshole filming it stated so at the end, while he was bragging about the "trail" his victim just left.
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I hope you know it was the MMA community that was initially outraged and worked for days to bring this to light.
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MMA are true athletes. There is still honor in their sport. Good for them.
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Absolutely. Watch fighters hug each other without enmity after knocking each other around. The community seems to be made of honorable people, and I'm glad they got a hold of this video.
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I've seen some of the most impressive sportsmanship from MMA fighers. Guys going at each other with everything, and then with one tap its over and they hug and respect each other.
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With the exception of Brock Lesnar, he was pretty pissed even after he won. But he respects the rules.
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A few of my coworkers suddenly got involved in martial arts a couple of years ago and they are some of the most agressive assholes I know.
These are just assholes and not in any way representative of MMA or martial arts. This whole investigation started on MMA and Martial Arts websites. Specifically Bullshido.net which is constantly exposing people who try to act like they martial artists when they are not. The response has been universal disgust from the MMA community. Many martial artist and mixed martial artists have used every contact and resource they have to try to track down these people. Some people have even missed work or purchased new equipment to help with the investigation.
Yes there are shit ton of douche bags that watched a couple UFC's and think they are tough but you should know the mixed martial arts community is nothing like that. Most are not into it for the violence or beating people but have a deep appreciation for the skill and dedication involved in both the art and sport aspect of it.
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Thanks. Perhaps I was too hasty. I do believe that the majority of MMA fighters and people training in the discipline are dedicated to the discipline itself. I just get fed up with everyone who thinks its 'cool' to fight without ever taking into account that the 'dudes' they are watching on television train their asses off. Martial arts take discipline and I am often told that a large part of the discipline aspect is restraint. At any rate, thanks for your reply.
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No problem. Most of the people tracking these guys down are martial artists who don't like people disgracing their art. They will be found.
It's down right now but you can keep up to date at http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535
Last I checked the location was almost confirmed and the admins are in touch with the authorities in that area.
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guys like that won't last long in real MMA gyms, trust me, i teach at one. They usually show up and one of two things happen.
- They get their ass kicked and stop showing up.
2). They get their ass kicked and get their act together.
Not saying that aggressive guys absolutely won't be assholes, but usually the assholes that want to fight in the streets go to gyms that advertise themselves as "street fighting". Usually people in street fighting gyms are complete assholes, and the nicest people i've met have come from MMA/BJJ gyms.
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Its the damn MMA wannabes that give it a bad name.
A guy who gets up early every single fucking day to work on his art, tends not to be an asshole but quite the opposite.
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Newsflash: Your coworkers were assholes before the MA.
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A few of my coworkers suddenly got involved in martial arts a couple of years ago and they are some of the most agressive assholes I know. They constantly talk about picking fights with people in bars, sparring in the office etc. In my mind the true masters of martial arts are the ones who don't fucking advertise it.
This to a degree is what a corrupted western culture does. We import from the east the violence - but none of the wisdom that gets handed down. We just consume, consume, consume what we import - with no real appreciation.
Selfish greed?
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We import from the east the violence - but none of the wisdom that gets handed down.
Yes because a few assholes in the 80's and some dip shits today are representative of all martial artist in the US and even of the whole of western civilization. Never mind that these people represent a minority of the community or that most douches that claim to be MMA fighters have never even stepped in the ring to spar let alone fight. You should also completely ignore that it's the MMA and Martial Arts community that found this and have been hunting down these assholes. Also forget that because of the MA and MMA community we have the names and locations of at least two of the people that were there with certainty, have leads on two others, have the probably location of the dojo even though it closed years ago, have contacted the local authorities, have spread the information across the Internet to help find them, are pursuing contacts with any news agencies to get word out, have a criminal history on the the black belt who carried out the attack including a possible pending case for assault, have contacted the DA and judge involved in the case trying to get the video submitted as evidence to his character, and in general sacrificed a lot of time and effort (and even money) to make sure these guys get caught. But yeah, fuck western culture.
Sanctimonious douche?
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Western culture brought us Western medicine. AKA the only medicine worth a shit.
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MMA shit? Who do you think were the first people on the internet to find this video and express outrage? The MMA community.
EDIT: I guess I was kind of late on the draw.
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Dude, go do your homework. MMA athletes everywhere, including myself, are outraged by this. Don't go assigning blame based on your own prejudices.
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Unfortunately with all the MMA shit that is the latest rage
I'm a former karateka and my son has been training for nine years (he's 18 now). I've seen both good and bad MMA and BJJ. Just like karate. So don't discount the MMA crew outright, there are some good people doing it. I'd be as careful with an MMA practicioner as I would with any trained fighter. Or with any complete stranger, for that matter. You never can tell.
I agree that there are a lot of people who are living proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. In my dojo, we used to call doing moves to show off in public "geeking." It's generally wise to stay far away from people who do that. Sometimes, by accident, they'll hurt someone besides themselves.
The only way my coworkers knew I trained was when I'd come in with bruises or scrapes. I wouldn't lie about it but didn't advertise it either. My son's equally low-profile. There were some bullying attempts at high school (he's a math/physics geek) but he shut those down without anyone getting more than their pride injured.
My own take on bushido is: (1) You get out of the encounter alive and not maimed, and (2) You cause the minimum harm necessary to accomplish (1). Note that (1) is not "you win." It's "they don't fuck you up." And "minimum harm" might still involve some discomfort-- I leave causing the absolute least harm to the aikido people.
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Yeah I stopped talking about my kung fu in public about 10 years ago.
I never get into fights to test my shit. Why? I don't feel that my shit needs testing. When I need it, it will be there.
These small dicks, however, love to pick fights. One of these types even met me one night at a bar. He went to cold cock me when he thought I wasn't looking.
I simply intercepted his arm and ended up with my arm around his shoulder and I whispered into his ear, "you don't want to do that".
The lame fucker tried to buy me a drink after. LOL. Of course, I took the free drink and then my friend's girlfriend flashed her beautiful tits at me.
Friendship is a bitch. I still think of her.
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i agree - i did karate as a kid and THAT is NOT karate.
was taught by a japanese master two important things:
- you strike to bring a guy down.
- and he is down, the fight is over. you do no more. he is down , you have your honour intact.
karate has a ton of blocking moves to protect yourself in self defense - the striking moves are extremely deadly and should be used extremely carefully - one strike is enough.
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I did karate as an adult, for a very long time, and I learned what to do to completely stop a fight. That does not end with taking the attacker down. If you leave it at that, he might get back up. In a situation where the attacker is really trying to maim or kill you, it's not about honor. It's about you surviving. Honor matters, but only when you have a choice.
Also, evasion is far more effective than blocking. And "attacking the attack" is more effective yet, though it requires a lot of skill to do it effectively. As for the strikes, I've seen any number of karateka who overestimate how powerful their strikes are in the chaos of a street situation.
But what these guys did is still inexcusable. There were two of them, and the nutcase was not a real threat to either of them. They had a choice, and they chose to hurt this guy. This was an assault, pure and simple.
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I suggest you are seeing the world for what it really is, something we turn away from too often (and I too turn away from this video, but not the message). I believe I deal with the same emotions as you... why is the world this way? WTF.
What has helped me is that I am not alone in this reaction. I share with you some educated discussion on it: http://www.jungland.ru/Library/CampMoye.htm - I suggest start reading (search for) Time had come into being, death, birth, and the killing and eating of other living beings, for the preservation of life. The timeless time of the beginning had been terminated by a communal crime, a deliberate murder or sacrifice.
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hhm do you expect anything good from a Marine? that's too much hope.
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There are a lot of people after these guys now. People have posted after getting responses from several law enforcement organizations. The two main perpetrators where abouts are currently known and a couple more are possible. They'll be held accountable.
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Once I saw the first head stomp I immediately stoppped... I just don't have the stomach for that.
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Theres a thing called "shock" when someone commits a violent act on another. Also they were probably thinking "Hes not going to kill him or anything, just beat him up" until it was far too late to stop him. Of course nobody in that room said anything about the crime so they guilty of this murder in the eyes of the law.
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This was originally posted by "BobbyJoeBlythe007" in April. Here are the comments (the account is now deleted).
From his YouTube page (which was deleted):
Jesus Taught Me
bobbyjoeblythe007 April 01, 2009
This dummy was in my shopping center while I was on a Bodyguard Job in Washington, DC. This guy was in the Pizza Hut eating pizza off the plates of others and the Pizza Hut Manager ran him out with a pistol. Later the very same day, police officers were called to remove him from a nearby pharmacy after having been caught reaching into customer's purses.
A short time after that, he visited a Napa Auto Parts store next to my Karate Dojo and told the management he planned on teaching in that Dojo and that Jesus taught him. The Napa guys told him he was confused (their polite way of warning the man against such action), but not wanting to miss a show, they told the man they would close early just to watch and that he must not know the owner, which is nobody to play with..
Needless to say, the police pulled him out of the dumpster behind my Karate Dojo where he was neatly placed. Semper Fi to all my Marine brothers. The karate student in the white is also a Marine Sgt. and a brand new Black Belt. Never get stupid with a Marine, you could get jacked up and have your clock stopped.
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ize1277 (5 days ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply that dude snapped; looks to me like somebody lost control
bobbyjoeblythe007 (5 days ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply If it would have took longer, I would have dropped both. This upset me it took so look. I was very disappointed with my guy and he paid for a week after that. That video will be coming up soon. That video will have the name....Fight for Life. That one will be good.
ua26695 (2 months ago) Show Hide +1 Marked as spam Reply He was told not to go to another ones DOJO. PERIOD!
bobbyjoeblythe007 (2 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply He was advised not to do what he had said he was going to do.....PERIOD. And that was to not go into THAT DOJO. That DOJO isn't like any other DOJO. This Dojo raised it's own Bodyguards for a Company in Northern Virginia. This Sensei just so happens to be the Director of the Service.
ua26695 (2 months ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply Bad decision, I would say.
ee1264 (3 months ago) Show Hide +1 Marked as spam Reply I can see accepting a challenge from someone who comes into your dojo, but you had prior knowledge that this person was mentally disturbed. Also letting your student stomp on the guy at the end was purely negligent. Finally you didn't call the police or EMTs. Hope you have your insurance paid up.
Oluwadan (3 months ago) Show Hide +1 Marked as spam Reply This is a brutal and unnecessary act of ego. This man was obviously mentally ill and should come back and sue you ass. He has obviously now got enough video evidence. Stamping on a persons head is not reasonable force and this type of behaviour is not acceptable from a 'martial artist'. Placing it on public view brings shme to the martial arts community.
bobbyjoeblythe007 (3 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply Last I heard, he was in Salem, VA in the Mental Lockup there. Go figure!!! Earlier that day, the police ran him out of the Drug Store and later a Pizza Manager pulled a pistol on him. I was on a Bodyguard job that day and when I showed up, he came in later while I was teaching. The cops pulled him out of the Dumpster behind the dojo.
greenhorn311 (3 months ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply Hum that was ...... hum .....Im speachless
What happend afterward he lived?
Did he happend to come back with a lawer?
bobbyjoeblythe007 (3 months ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply He was confused and YES, there is a GOD.
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Reformatted for my benefit, as much / as well as anybody else's:
Jesus Taught Me - bobbyjoeblythe007 [April 01, 2009]
This dummy was in my shopping center while I was on a Bodyguard Job in Washington, DC. This guy was in the Pizza Hut eating pizza off the plates of others and the Pizza Hut Manager ran him out with a pistol. Later the very same day, police officers were called to remove him from a nearby pharmacy after having been caught reaching into customer's purses.
A short time after that, he visited a Napa Auto Parts store next to my Karate Dojo and told the management he planned on teaching in that Dojo and that Jesus taught him. The Napa guys told him he was confused (their polite way of warning the man against such action), but not wanting to miss a show, they told the man they would close early just to watch and that he must not know the owner, which is nobody to play with..
Needless to say, the police pulled him out of the dumpster behind my Karate Dojo where he was neatly placed. Semper Fi to all my Marine brothers. The karate student in the white is also a Marine Sgt. and a brand new Black Belt. Never get stupid with a Marine, you could get jacked up and have your clock stopped.
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ize1277 // that dude snapped; looks to me like somebody lost control
bobbyjoeblythe007 // If it would have took longer, I would have dropped both. This upset me it took so look. I was very disappointed with my guy and he paid for a week after that. That video will be coming up soon. That video will have the name....Fight for Life. That one will be good.
ua26695 // He was told not to go to another ones DOJO. PERIOD!
bobbyjoeblythe007 // He was advised not to do what he had said he was going to do.....PERIOD. And that was to not go into THAT DOJO. That DOJO isn't like any other DOJO. This Dojo raised it's own Bodyguards for a Company in Northern Virginia. This Sensei just so happens to be the Director of the Service.
ua26695 // Bad decision, I would say.
ee1264 // I can see accepting a challenge from someone who comes into your dojo, but you had prior knowledge that this person was mentally disturbed. Also letting your student stomp on the guy at the end was purely negligent. Finally you didn't call the police or EMTs. Hope you have your insurance paid up.
Oluwadan // This is a brutal and unnecessary act of ego. This man was obviously mentally ill and should come back and sue you ass. He has obviously now got enough video evidence. Stamping on a persons head is not reasonable force and this type of behaviour is not acceptable from a 'martial artist'. Placing it on public view brings shme to the martial arts community.
bobbyjoeblythe007 // Last I heard, he was in Salem, VA in the Mental Lockup there. Go figure!!! Earlier that day, the police ran him out of the Drug Store and later a Pizza Manager pulled a pistol on him. I was on a Bodyguard job that day and when I showed up, he came in later while I was teaching. The cops pulled him out of the Dumpster behind the dojo.
greenhorn311 // Hum that was ...... hum .....Im speachless
What happend afterward he lived?
Did he happend to come back with a lawer?
bobbyjoeblythe007 // He was confused and YES, there is a GOD.
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I was very disappointed with my guy and he paid for a week after that. That video will be coming up soon. That video will have the name....Fight for Life. That one will be good.
So the week after this guy and the black belt fought each other? Somehow I doubt one was dragged out of the dojo with a broken nose and scalp wound.
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I'm pretty confident he meant paid in the sense that he was worked extra hard in training for the week after that, but, given the context, it could have meant a beating.
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"told not to go into anothers dojo"??? Wow. Is this the way that martial artists act? "This is my turf and you had better recognize!" Is it really like that with those places being some sort of nation on its own where people defend it with that mentality? Totally lame. Martial Arts just got a lot dumber for me.
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In answer to your question, no.
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Yeah... that sounds more like surfers.
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It's not that way. As a practitioner, you're always supposed to respect the instructor and listen, even if it's not your gym and even if he doesn't know anything. You can choose to not return, but you wouldn't call him out or anything. As an instructor, you welcome others into your gym to learn, even if they're from another gym in town. You don't beat the piss out of them to prove your system is superior.
Back in the day, in Korea, Japan, and China, Masters would challenge other Masters if they thought that Master was bogus, but I don't think they were fights to the death. Also, Martial Arts are a much larger part of the culture in the East than in the West, and therefore, integrity of the art, as a whole, is important. They don't want bogus instructors teaching watered-down versions to students, who then become bogus instructors teaching even more watered-down versions to students and so-on. It could lead to complete loss of the art. It happened in the 80s after The Karate Kid came out. Everyone wanted to learn Karate, but there weren't a lot of qualified instructors. The people learning didn't know the difference, so they paid anyway. It was turned into a business by many. The art was no longer very important. That's why people think Karate is BS, because the Karate they've seen their friends do isn't the same Karate as from hundreds of years ago.
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I always get so confused when I see your name. >.<
I stopped using d_rok as my screen name for everything like two years ago, but its still weird to see someone on reddit using it.
Everytime I see you I go "hey, I don't remember posting tha... oh yeah.."
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I am you ... from the future ... but I traveled to the past.
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THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OR REPORT THAT THIS MAN DIED. THE ORIGINAL REDDIT THREAD IS HERE: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9bmj0/1984_instructor_watchesfilms_a_student_attacking/
Please upvote this comment to the top so people know that the victim was not "beaten to death".
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Finally, some common sense. There is absolutely, 100% no proof this man died as a result of this attack. Is it vicious and horrible and does it carry serious legal consequences? Absolutely.
But there is simply no proof that this man died. So before going crazy and jumping to unnecessary conclusions, why doesn't everyone just dig a bit further for more information?
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I think people are "going crazy" because it was a brutal attack that would be seen by any jury member as attempted murder. We know he sustained some breathing damage either through a crushed trachea or broken nose and we also know a pool of blood formed quickly. When they dragged his body across the floor it didn't leave a smear, it was a trail of blood. Without immediate medical care he was going to bleed out. Nobody in their right mind would move a critically injured man unless you were trying to cover up a crime. Having never seen a person killed or what it takes I'm pretty sure he died because I didn't see anybody rushing to call 911 or deal with the critical injuries he received.
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Exactly. There should be a page of facts so we can sort out what happened. Most people don't know about who posted the video (it appears to be him) and who wrote the comments about (also him it appears).
Maybe leaving death threats on his voicemail and contacting his extended family isn't the best idea, no matter what facts we find out about the video.
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If he didn't die i'm sure the attacker qualifies for attempted murder.
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Yeah, dude just sounded knocked out to me. And for somebody who was "mentally challenged", he sure moved fast and had some nice moves. Maybe he just had a low IQ... but he sounded high to me. That being said, it's still wrong, and that "master" is a fucking bitch.
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ee1264 // I can see accepting a challenge from someone who comes into your dojo, but you had prior knowledge that this person was mentally disturbed. Also letting your student stomp on the guy at the end was purely negligent. Finally you didn't call the police or EMTs. Hope you have your insurance paid up.
bobbyjoeblythe007 // Last I heard, he was in Salem, VA in the Mental Lockup there. Go figure!!! Earlier that day, the police ran him out of the Drug Store and later a Pizza Manager pulled a pistol on him. I was on a Bodyguard job that day and when I showed up, he came in later while I was teaching. The cops pulled him out of the Dumpster behind the dojo.
greenhorn311 // Hum that was ...... hum .....Im speachless
What happend afterward he lived?
Did he happend to come back with a lawer?
bobbyjoeblythe007 // He was confused and YES, there is a GOD.
these comments suggest he survived and is in a mental institution, unless they were only state to cover his ass. i think the "cops found body in dumpster" part is, understandably, leading people to assume he was dead. but its possible he was just passed out in there and some garbage men or building tenants saw him and called the police.
still a crime, and worthy of this wonderful effort to bring about justice, but shouldnt jump to conclusions...
that said...the assumption that he died will make it far more probable that the people who did, or came close to, killing him...are brought to justice.
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Some contact info for the Mr. Blythe in question
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/member.php?u=58873
AIM cfiblythe Yahoo! shindokan007 Skype™ cfiblythe
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Off 4chan:
"The instructor is a known bully Bobby Joe Blythe. He is 63 years old and lives near Fresno. He is currently a flight instructor. In 1984 he taught marshal arts, including training body guards. He was well connected with the VA law enforcement and military, so he had friends.
Bobby Joe Blythe 559-584-9315 989 Robin CT Hanford, California
The attacker is Willie J Dennis, currently residing in Florida. He is up for charges soon on a separate assault case. Bullshido has forwarded this onto the prosecutor (probably won't do much though)."
Those fuckers are frighteningly good at digging up info.
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I hope I never do anything to bring about the wrath of 4Chan.
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Thing is, even years ago, this sort of stuff isn't hard. I was once doing a sales job we're talking 12 years ago, fielding phone calls and some bloke calls and orders some product. I - being new and stuffing up my script - completely forgot to ask a certain question.
Boned! thought I, but then I looked up their name on the telephone book ( this was before Google), got 3 addresses I knew they could be at, phoned the council, cross referenced against the electoral roll, got their phone number and phoned them back ( this was before we had caller ID everywhere).
EDIT: It's not that it isn't hard, it's laborious and boring, but damn exciting when you get someone at the end of it.
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I would imagine it is the Bullshido guys who tracked that down.
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Those fuckers are frighteningly good at digging up info.
Hear hear! I wonder how they got all that.
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Yes, hear hear.
And as for YOU tiny elvis. You're next. Staging your tiny little death indeed.
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Drove around in their tiny pink Cadillac hunting clues, I suspect.
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What the fuck, this bastard lives near me.
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Actually, all of that information came from bullshido.net. They've been on this for a week now and are doing a great job.
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Just curious how you know all this info?
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google my good man, it also makes it easy because he's got a few online profiles with the same info. Age/hometown/high school/ex-marine
If you wanted to take it a step further, you could probably easily find his phone or address but i wouldn't want to take things that far. Hopefully law enforcement will do their thing and he'll get what he deserves
Edit: looks like people have already taken the next step lol
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Zabasearch.com usually comes up with some pretty solid info
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this fucker is such a sore loser..his favorite duty station is Camp Hansen, Okinawa. I see why though. He was the pimp master of those skeevie hoes at Kin town(i still feel bad for those women working, specially one conversation I had with a young phillipino girl of my age at the time). Anyhow, fuck, I spent two god damn years of my life in that shit hole, one must truly has to be mentally retarded to believe that Camp Hansen is a good place. THERE IS NOTHING, don't even have a grocery store. One has to take loser cruiser to Camp Foster, or Kadena AFB for groceries. Map: Note the weird looking building left of the marker. Its the brig. I was at the building on the right, two, one small and a large. Small is the MP head quarters. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=108735075266553186135.00047199ea01ef3c437d4&ll=26.469094,127.919075&spn=0.008913,0.01929&t=h&z=16
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That wheezing noise had to be one of the more disturbing sounds I've ever heard.
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Most disturbing sound I have ever heard was from those Al Qaeda execution videos.
I never should have watched that... those sounds will stick with me forever. :(
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I kept hearing about the wheezing and the head stomp but I must have stopped the video. I have now re watched said video and now I feel as though I have been kicked in the stomach. I just cant understand why one person would possible want to do this to another person. Better yet wtf was up with all the bystanders not saying anything or helping the poor man.... fucking cowards.
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That's the one. It's been many years and the image is still crystal clear in my mind. I'm against the war in Iraq and all that, but I still think of that video whenever the words "Al Qaeda" or "Taliban" are uttered.
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but I still think of that video whenever the words "Al Qaeda" or "Taliban" are uttered.
that's the idea.
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That's exactly what they want you to do. Think of unicorns and rainbows instead.
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Have u seen the video of those European kids torturig a guy in the woods? That will scar you for life.
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Yeah, that's the one. I won't go into detail but it's slow and very disturbing.
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I too managed to protect my retina from that.
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ditto. i saw his parents crying on tv and it made me sick that people were swarming to watch that video. i refused to ever watch it, and i dont need to watch it to understand how cruel it was...
unfortunately my old roommate decided to watch it while on was on the phone with him and, indeed, the sound was enough to make me want to throw up.
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Haven't seen them. Though I damn near vomited watching this, how do I go about weakening my faith in humanity further by watching those?
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Those videos will definitely make you feel like crap. War is certainly bad enough as it is, but to do that and feel as though it is a justifiable means to fight for your cause? Ugh.
It's even sadder to think that that has been their SOP for centuries.
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What's SOP?
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Even worse was those russian serial killers who videoed hitting a victim multiple times in the face with a sledge hammer and then stabbing him in the brain with a screwdriver when he didn't die quickly enough. really, really wish i hadn't watched that.
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I agree I watched a couple of those videos years ago and I can still remember the noise as if I just finished watching it.
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It made me sick. It's now been 10 mins since I saw it, and I still feel queezy...
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then don't ever, ever watch 3 guys 1 hammer. that shit can still get to me months after watching it. ugh.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs
I haven't watched it, and I don't think I'm going to.
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"Hey, classes are just starting and I have no workload. I think I'll see what this is all about."
bad move. that is a very long and absurdly brutal video. it really only gets worse every second that it is playing.
i would post a link; but since i now need to be high (forever) to not think about what i just watched, i'll let everyone else just do it manually.
that was a million times worse than croatian-russian execution videos. maybe seven million times worse. it was a lot of millions, that's all i know.
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I saw a guy get his jaw broken and make the same sound.
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I made a person make them once. It was very scary.
It was during a football game, did not do it on purpose, AFAIK he is okay now.
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me too. i feel absolutely sick. it is just running through my head on repeat.
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Times like this made me wish Dexter was a real person.
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All the karate in the world wont save you from a surprise syringe to the throat, followed by getting plastic wrapped to a table and stabbed through the heart.
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Well, it probably could save you from a syringe to the throat. Not that I want to test that hypothesis.
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Vigilantism is awesome.
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What if he is?
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trying to call local news outlets...
KDFW Fox 4 - "We wouldn't cover that"
KXAS NBC 5 - "Did you flag it on YouTube? We couldn't do anything" -although she did sound very concerned
KTVT CBS 11 - "Can you send us a link to the video?" A PROMISING REACTION! (or a canned shushing response)
WFAA ABC 8 - "I'll let the producer know about it" and "I'll let them know to look for that link"
I emailed them all. I hope I did my part to help.
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"We wouldn't cover that"
Well what the fuck would you cover? "If it bleeds it leads...unless it's a homeless man being beaten to death by a bunch of neanderthal Marines."
Oh...it's the Marine thing, isn't it?
Fuck Fox. (And yes, I know that local Fox newscasts are separate from "Fox News")
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The guy at Fox's response was very short "We wouldn't cover that. Thanks." I am not surprised by that to tell you the truth.
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Great job, man. Thank you for this.
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That guy had some moves, and thats why that master od'd on him, getting embarrassed by someone with less intelligence. Pathetic
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That guy had some moves, and that's why that master od'd on him
Good point, the dude landed a couple of hits and even pushed the fat bully to the ground.
There was absolutely no honor or civility in the way he kept hitting to dude on the floor. He even surrendered and conceded victory. That not a master that's a criminal. That piece of uncivilized excrement belongs in jail and it's belongings should be auctioned to pay the family of the victim.
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Thanks, for the help and for saying it nicely, I am still working on my English skills, I am not a native speaker.
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The crazy guy was imitating what he saw in a movie he probably watched a thousand times, it looked like he knew a kata, which is really useless in a fight, katas are performed when you are trying to advance to a higher belt. It's a choreographed imaginary fight where you demonstrate that you've learned the individual stances and attacks necessary for advancement.
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Thats about all the karate guy knew too it seemed.
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I don't care of the motives of either party engaging in the fight. All I saw was a bully with training stomping on the neck and head of a man who had no fight left in him. Someone here deserves to be fighting off prison rape gangs instead of a semiconscious man laying on the floor in the fetal position.
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yes it was clearly motivated by the embarrassment that the black belt marine was getting his ass kicked by someone who learned fighting from watching kung fu movies. Then he just turned it into a street fight pulling all stops. It was clear this was spinning out of control when he called him "motherfucker". It should have been stopped right there. Both the sensei and the "black belt" should spend the rest of their lives in jail.
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down on youtube
mirror:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/520A80743A794A2DA4FA4E3B438A9789/bobby-joe-blythe-lets-his-blac.aspx
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Thank you!!
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Thats what I thought... before I watched it.
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appears to be dead as well.
anyone got a working mirror?
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FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT VIDEO
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I feel sick. It took me forever to realize I still had my hand over my mouth. What the fuck was up with that? Man, I really don't feel good after watching that. Holy shit.
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I am with you man, I need to smoke one and sit down for a while.
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Holy shit that was disturbing.
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Assuming the quote attributed to this guy is accurate, you'd gotta love the final sentence. Marines: picking on skinny schizophrenics since 1872.
Also, I know nothing about karate, but is that "surprise crotch kick" the black karate guy uses to initiate the fight orthodox, or even sporting?
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There nothing legit in that fight.
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kick in the crouch
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beating when he was down
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beating when the guy conceded
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attacking someone who is not facing you
That dude is a coward and a piece of shit. He also is an extremely slow mediocre fighter.
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I didn't see that much in there that looked like sparring--just one guy pummeling another at points. (I'm not a practitioner of martial arts, though).
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I saw the student get punches thrown to his head, a couple of which landed. If that happens to me when you yourself said you wouldn't contact me, I'd be mad and my training would take over. DROP HIM NOW. I can only assume this is what the student felt like.
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would you also stomp on his head when he's on the ground, trying to end the fight?
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Empathy, motherfucker, do you feel it?
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You're such an idiot.
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The student initiated the contact. The other guy was trying to defend himself while asking the student to stop.
Regardless, there is a difference between drop him, and stomp him in the head when he is already unconscious.
If his training had taken over he would have used discipline. This is a case of him forgetting his training and acting like an animal.
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I'd be mad and my training would take over.
Are you also required to register your feet as lethal weapons?
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The black-belt made contact with a front kick first.
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I sympathize, but I have some thing called language.
Its great, you can say, "whoa fucking stop! stop now! stop!"
I can't sympathize with taking a few hits in sparring, then using that to conclude that once I have a slight advantage, I can turn it into a full fledged street fight. And not stop until I have heel stomped my sparing partner's trachea.
IMHO that black belt is one of the biggest fucking pussies I have ever watched.
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That's why you wear cups. It didn't look like he was caught with it though.
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He was also a master of swing-arms-wildly, Panda-Dragon.
Edit Thank you, by the way, for providing a serious response to my smart-ass, insincere question.
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I believe it's referred to in the business as 'picking a fight'.
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I don't see how the fact that the man is mentally challenged has any relevancy here.
The man is roped into a fight with one of the master's underlings, at multiple times during the fight he attempts to give up. The attacker continues fighting. After the man is downed and completely unable to fight back he is executed with a head stomp. If that's not outright murder I don't know what it is. To make matters worse instead of calling for an ambulance they drag his body out through the back door and then brag about what happened.
Sick.
screw the digg/reddit penis measuring contest - those who have digg accounts: digg this up - the more people the better http://digg.com/world_news/Mentally_Challenged_Man_Beaten_to_Death (Ill state the same on digg)
It's hilarious that people are downvoting you. They hate Digg so much that even using it for a good cause is punishable by karmadeath. Here's an upvote to try and help.
It's hilarious that so many Reddit posts with hundreds of points have replies saying "why are you getting downvoted."
He was downvoted 155 times. You can download an app that tells you how many downvotes people get. For example, you have 10 upvotes and 3 downvotes at this time.
Jealous?
Doublethink!
It's not uncommon for people to downvote someone based on a word without reading the comment. When another person responds by saying "Hey! This guy actually has a fantastic point!" people actually read their comment.
When play3393 posted his comment, spect3r most likely had a negative vote count.
This is a good way to save a person's comment, too. NEVER do this to your own, or do this with an alt of your own.
Why are you getting downvoted?
Here's a gay guy explaining this phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl3sjK00ZoU
It's hilarious that every post I ever run across that states "why the downvotes", usualyl has +250 upvotes.
It's because people follow the herd, at first its cool to downvote, and then when someone calls them out about it, they all want to be part of the "I didn't downvote" crowd.
I was just going to say the same thing. As of 6:50 pm(cst), the person has 693 points.
there are bots that do a lot of downvotting, some if it might be attributed to them
That's an assumption. And why would bots target that post?
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fuck those people who think mentioning digg for the right cause accounts for a down vote. I've voted him up as well ... however, our penises are still bigger than those at Digg
Maybe what they hate is the unnecessary male phallus analogy.
does it make you uncomfortable?
sorry to thread jack and caps holler, but this is very important to people who are reading this thread
HE WAS NOT MURDERED citation
I do not agree with these actions, I think violence is atrocious, but at least to understand this man's actions, the mental gentleman was digging in people's purses and eating other people's pizza. It's not justification, but it was also NOT MURDER just a beat-down... which happened back then.
What do you call it when you beat a man unconscious then throw him in a dumpster, where he later turns up dead?
Doesn't take a talking dog and an ugly van to solve that case.
Huh?
Maybe it's not murder, unless someone can prove that the student or teacher lured him in with the intent of killing him, but it sure as fuck seems to fit the definition of manslaughter. He intended to fight with him and then really turned the corner when the man tried to end the fight and instead his got him down to the ground where he hit his head and seemed to go limp and then proceeded to stomp him again.
But from the video everyone was standing there awfully calm, they let this guy talk, probably getting the sense from his response that he was possibly not mentally competent. They then allowed him to spar which was questionable, and then he proceeded to beat him to death after he attempted to concede.
Your reference to digging in peoples purses and eating from the dishes of other people in no means changes the intent of the action that resulted in this mans death. Had he been caught red handed stealing or threatening someone and that person attempted to defend themselves and in the course of such action he died, it would be different.
Edit: The more I think about it maybe it even is murder. Why was he allowed in the dojo in the first place?
Edit: I think your point is that at this point we have no conclusive proof that the guy died because in the comments the teacher says the cops pulled him out of the dumpster.... Instead of saying "it's not murder" and linking to the youtube comments transcription, how about insightfully pointing out that "we don't know if it's murder because we don't know if the guy is actually dead."
Or you can keep replying to comments saying "It's not murder" so that way nobody understands WTF you're talking about.
Your citation doesn't really prove that the man is STILL alive or that he even survived this attack.
Just because the accused in question claims on a Youtube thread that 'Last I heard, he was in Salem, VA in the Mental Lockup there' - doesn't really make it so.
Having said that however, brings up a VERY GOOD POINT:
Who is this beaten man and more importantly WHERE is he? Is he alive? Is he buried in a cemetary somewhere? Is he in an asylum?
The only real evidence that exists of this mans existence is THIS VIDEO!
Honestly, I really can't see how he possibly could of survived this horrible attack - especially the last knee-kick to the head and the two leg-stomps to the back of the neck.
Those are the kind of leg strikes that are intended to KILL and clearly the last horrific sounds that the man makes are of gurgling, chocking sounds. The sounds that a man with a broken neck and seriously constricted air passage might make.
The only way he would of possibly survived is if he had received quick medical attention - probably invasive neck surgery would of been required.
And as the video clearly shows, the mans lifeless body was dragged down a corridor and then tossed into a dumpster.
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I'm confused. How can you be so sure it isn't? The only thing he seems to talk about is someone pulling a pistol out. We still don't know what the cause of death was though. It could still be the dojo that killed him (if he's dead).
According to the perpetrator's description of the account, that's what the victim was doing. I'm sure it was no where near as menacing as he makes it sound. But you're right, we don't know that the man died. I think it is unlikely that he died. Still, this motherfucker might just have a beatdown coming himself because he thought no one would give a shit if he posted his putrid video.
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spect3r is sitting at 50+ upvotes. What are you talking about?
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That is funny. Digg does suck. I will chose not to upvote or downvote.
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I thought it was kinda funny until the guy got head stomped. That kid has such height and reach advantages over that guy and was quite flexible too. I imagine if he actually took karate he would be pretty good. Oh well imma get downvoted for this but w/e.
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I posted this myself earlier and my comment wasn't appearing. Mods can delete or hide comments?
Bobby Joe Blythe / Accomplice to murder
Tel: (559) 584-9315 / Confirmed Facebook account (deleted or set to private)
989 Robin CT
Hanford, California
Willie J. Dennis / Murder suspect
Tel: (954) 428-6384 / Confirmed MySpace account
2624 Emerald Way N,
Deerfield Beach, FL
edit: to those accusing me of cyberstalking and mention the police have been contacted, well, we want to keep up with this story, and one great way to do it is by friending these people themselves on Facebook and Myspace. They put themselves in the public domain, so be it.
Attention, vigilantes!
You've got the wrong Bobby Blythe's Facebook account! The real one deleted his! http://bit.ly/390jfj
I think a good use of this info would be to simply send this youtube video to everyone on Bobby's facebook friends list. Facebook will allow you to see all of this friends and send them messages
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535&page=45
please scroll down to the bottom and read post @ 12:44am
Wouldn't that mean that the murder suspect is still alive?
Last Myspace update was Aug 15.
Has 4chan been notified?
Has 4chan been notified?
You should start sending messages to their Facebook friends with the link to the video in it.
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4chan will take care of it.
He doesn't look like a kitten...
That would be gold.
I don't think this is a 4chan thing..
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This wasn't a cat beaten to death, this was a man beaten to death. Hence, 4chan will laugh and not try to do anything about it.
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-V-Blythe/1469146242
That's not him. Please stop sending death threats to the wrong person!
Bunch of goddamned amateurs!
4chan started it fucktard.
thank you. I'll digg this story too, despite having a very large penis myself.
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I hate Digg but the more people the better.
You really shouldn't hate them... we're like the same exact people.
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Don't disappoint us, interweb, shall our forces be united!
I am CAPTAIN PLANET!
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I used my Reddit account for the first time just to upvote this story and your comment, since I saw it on Digg. More people that see this the better.
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If we post on twitter, what should the # be?
#MeInTheAssPrison, of course.
You are a God of wit.
Careful. Even mentioning Twitter on Reddit is enough to make people downvote you en masse.
Anyway, what you're asking for is the hash tag. Just to clarify for anyone else reading.
I wonder, if there is a warning message, like yours, if the votes won't come. But maybe that's because his post is only 20 min old (at the time of my posting). I'm not a big fan of twitter (too much damn hype), but I'm not one to downvote because I don't like something mentioned.
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Dugg.
fucking digg censored the 700+ dugg story, its niether on the front page, nor upcoming.
fair play, used my digg account for a good cause :)
It's almost funny how Digg's algorithm is so broken. That submission has over 700 diggs, but still it's not on the front page, nor can it be found in the upcoming or even World & Business sections. It doesn't exist.
So, what is on the front page?
A goddamn Death Star photoshopped to a city picture. 3300+ diggs.
At times like these I remember why I don't waste time with Digg anymore.
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I don't see this on the front page of Digg yet. Bummer.
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This video twisted my stomach. He calls for the fight to end; then the big dude stomps on his head!? What the fuck.
I'm doing myself a favor and electing not to watch it. The Iranian girl was enough.
I didn't do myself this favor.
I wish I did.
Oh god. I wish did too...
that was.... horrible. Why didn't anyone intervene?
I watched 1/3, skipped a bit, and finished with the audio off. Still fucked with my head.
Her name was Neda.
I was really hungry and was about to go out for lunch... then I watched this video. My appetite is not coming back for a long time - this video was fucking sick. My hair is still standing on end five minutes later.
You made the correct decision in not watching it.
Hold me closer tony danza see the hair stand on your head.
I'm glad I waited til after lunch. That was fucked
Not that it wasn't fucked up but I'm eating food while watching his head get stomped on. Not very nice.
I saw what was coming. I turned it off before the last blow. What the fuck is up with all the other people letting it happen?
I didn't realize when it was going to end, so I didn't manage that. Disgusting and ridiculous.
However, after the second head stomp, one guy tells him to stop and he finally backs off. That's it though.
You, sir, were lucky enough to not see the last few blows hit his limp and rag doll like body and then the pool of blood grow under his head a few seconds later. The look on the bystanders faces are incredible, once in a lifetime views of real people witnessing a strange event that just turned into murder.
"Drag him out back", the chilling words from someone (the murderer I think). The dead mans body is dragged away, leaving a constant line of blood behind him as he is dragged all the way to the other side of the dojo.
Later, the dojo owner follows the trail of blood. There is clearly a lot of stress in his voice, as if he is incredibly mellow and a little shaken after coming down from the adrenalin rush of his life. The trail of blood goes far and can be clearly followed.
same here, saw 350 views on youtube with the last comment "holy fucking shit" turned it off, came to the comments and now very glad I did.
I think you owe it to the victim to watch it.
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It's a long video and fairly inocuous for a while. But there's a second you wouldn't want to see, followed by several seconds of sound.
I also do myself the favor of not watching it and reading the comments to see what is going on and that is getting me angry enough!
I stopped watching after he gets tuned for a while, then stands up and says "you're good". Poor dude. Very sad. I am very glad I didn't watch it all.
It's the most disturbing video I've seen... and I've seen them all. Good call not watching it, it'll only mess with your emotions.
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As a former Marine, this upsets me really really bad. I put in his cell number and almost dialed. I want to find this fuck, take him to a tree line and beat the shit out of him with a butt of a rifle.
Hey that dude was not a Marine*. A real Marine* would have put a stop to that right away.
This guy was a poser who slipped through the cracks.
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I am not a marine, but that being said, I have to agree with this sentiment. I have a lot of friends who are marines and I could never see any of them doing something this disgusting and dishonorable.
This is person is who we pay Marines to kill.
Coward.
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Fight violence with violence... Very fitting...
Violence is great as long its against people you don't like.
I found the most grotesque part, pardon me for highlighting them, are his final gasps for air as he dies :-(((
We don't know if he died.
His body was found in a dumpster next door to the dojo and not Blythe or anyone in attendance were charged.
Uhm, I'm going to use the context to go through this one: unconscious man has head stomped in twice, breathing heavily in death gasps, limp body dragged out of dojo, title says "Mentally Challenged Man Beaten to Death". Perhaps you are right, but I'm thinking the odds are against it.
is he dead ?
The worst part is, he was just showing him some moves not actually fighting, its only cos he is hitting his feet with his hands he is making contact.. sick :|
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There was another video where this huge dude picks on a little asian guy, beats the hell out of him and head stomps him. The little guy started making that exact same sound, and all of these girls around started laughing and saying stuff like 'haha, why's he snoring'?
My thought at the time was that his neck was broken and his airway was obstructed. Could be the same here...or not. :(
I've seen some morbid shit online (remember oggrish?), but the sound of the guy's breathing at the end of this video was acrimoniously disturbing.
Yep. That's the murder part.
Because that's how marines are. They get brainwashed and fucked in the head and this happens. Puppy off cliff... headstomp on downed man... raping of iraqi women... list goes on
Yes, it's disgusting regardless of his mental state. I would say that it is that much more criminal and disgusting given the fact this man is being picked on due to his schizophrenic nature. Someone of normal intelligence wouldn't have coerced into that situation and would have had the social skills to appeal to his attacker or the crowd for the fight to stop. He clearly doesn't want to fight, but all the poor man can do is muster a " you're good" ... " ok, you got me " . A normal person would have been protesting from the start, " Dude, I didnt't come here to fight ! What in the hell are you doing ? Let me the fuck out of here ! " . I feel like I just watched some poor little kid get beat to death... that was one of the sickest thing I have ever witnessed. Normal I am not one to demand justice, but can we please get an update about this incident ?
Schizophrenia has nothing to do with intelligence. It covers all IQs
I get really fed up with people who associate any mental health condition with dangerous or bad to know . Most people with a mental health condition are at risk from other people . Also , a person with a mental health condition can be very bright and at times forced to analyze thinking far more than someone considered sane. Normals are over rated.
I would say that "normal" people have it easier. The deep analysis of conversations, people and the world that comes with lots of mental diseases is beautiful when good, but extremely volatile and, moreover, terrifying when bad. And it can't be turned off.
I used to work with a homeless shelter in Portland, OR. We had a guy who was a academia genius. I can't remember what field he was in, as it was a long, long time ago. He was schizophrenic, but managed to receive all types of grants and stipends. His illness became worse and worse, and eventually he ended up on the streets. We didn't find out about this until after he died, when we found lots of old checks and letters in his shabby pack.
I miss having conversations with him. :(
semantics, you know what he means, a mentally handicapped guy clearly doesn't have the social skills to get out of that situation, he's getting the crap kicked out of him and he's not really comprehending it. Meanwhile you have a guy who knows exactly what he's doing but continues to beat up this poor man. Not only does this guy know exactly what he's doing, but this guy is a Marine sergeant and black belt. Sounds like a really responsible thing for someone whose supposed to be professional and disciplined.
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You are ignorant to the real story, as am I. We don't know what fully happened, if the man was threatening before, or anything other then the man entered into a fuckin' Dojo and start fighting with student. The student, once engaged, must drop that motherfucker or else he'll get dropped. The student got hit in the face plenty of times when he himself was only throwing low kicks and gut punches. The guy got in over his head, and guess what, that's this game is played. For all you know, the student didn't think he was fully down until the final kick. This is to say this video doesn't explain enough, atleast to me.
Last time I checked, when a person is knocked to the ground, stomping on their head is pretty..."bad".
For some pussy that's never been in a fight, sure. When that shit is going down though, it's a whole different story. I mean it's cool to play color commentator and all, but this was a full contact fight from the start. Was it ok for this idiot to state he wasn't going to hit the student, only to throw wild ass kicks that landed? I think the student fought this fight thinking this guys going for hay makers, so I'd better drop the shit out of him.
You are a fucking idiot.
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Uhhhh... Okay tough guy.
Doesn't matter about being tough. A fight is a fight, don't enter one without knowing shit will hit the fan. He should've walked out the Dojo instead of sticking around, instigating Jesus' will to have him teach karate...
you got one thing right and that yes; you are ignorant. This bullshit "the student didnt think he was fully down until the final kick" thing holds absolutely no weight. The man told him to stop repeatedly and even when he was on the ground in the fetal position the "student" keep hitting him. He stomped him in the face. he was not concerned for his own safety for he knew if he did get his ass kicked his friend would have come charging in. Fuck you you ignorant piece of shit.
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You are a moron. If you can't tell there was no "fighting" going on here, seriously.
You don't kick a man when he is down. Martial arts are about discipline, respect, and honor.
You are a sick individual.... I mean it, if you think its ok to stamp on someone's head when they're on the ground after they've CLEARLY given up then you need to see someone before you go postal or something.
It started out as "light contact" and then it slowly got carried away.
Why are you on Reddit.com?
I'm so sick and tired of redditors who get upvoted for failing to make distinctions about the victims of murder or other crimes.
It's relevant because a) mentally challenged people are more vulnerable to crimes and exploitation (this is a reason to weigh the crimes committed against children and the mentally ill as especially heinous); and b) mentally challenged people cannot give their informed consent to many situations.
Thank you this is exactly what I'm trying to put across, the fact that he's mentally challenged is a huge issue, throughout the video they're just placating him, letting him think that they are interested in what he has to show them so they can provoke a confrontation between the mentally handicapped man and the Marine sergeant, it's absolutely disgusting that someone with rank in the Marines has actually done something like this, I thought that discipline came with getting a black belt at least, but not even that now, people are just learning martial arts so they can beat the shit out of anyone they want. I lose my faith in humanity more and more everyday.
Very well put, thank you. I'm going to use your argument in the future, if you don't mind.
As a decent human being I consider myself to have a moral responsibility to help those that can't look after themselves. Children, animals and in this case a mentally challenged person.
He clearly was unable to look after himself and they took advantage of the situation. So yeah in my book it is relevant and makes the crime worse.
[And thats even ignoring the fact they were (ex?) marines who should have higher standards for protecting US citizens]
They are the garbage that give the marines a bad name.
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Oh didn't you know? Simply putting on a uniform makes you a hero. Who cares if you kill people for fun, or sit behind a desk, you're "Fighting for America's freedoms."
After all, my first and second ammendment rights are currently under attack in Afganistan.
As a veteran myself, I totally agree with you. When someone calls me a hero just for going to Iraq, not even knowing what I did there, it seems insane. Maybe I shoveled shit, maybe I shot at civilians, or maybe I actually did something heroic, it doesn't actually matter. I was never once under the illusion that I was defending America. Of course, the military leadership plays all the same bullshit that conservative civilians do, giving out valour awards to everyone who crosses a certain border or knows how to fill out the right paperwork.
The Marine corps is a garbage factory. Everytime you read news about US military personnel doing something awful, it's a Marine. It hasn't been what it pretends to be since the 1940's.
My dad was a marine for a few years (back during Vietnam, he volunteered multiple times but the guy who was in charge of who got sent over was friends with him and refused to send him because so few people were coming back, let alone mentally healthy) and once he got out he went to seminary and became a pastor. He could be the exception to the law but he's never hit me or either of my (half) brothers or either of his wives (first or second).
I wouldn't say they're all bad.
actually the marine corps requirements were far more lax than regular infantry in the case of my good friend who wanted to become a part of the military.
my friend (who is a marine now) had a plate put into his leg because he got it broken by, surprisingly, a marine during a bar fight. fast forward 2 years and he is trying to enlist, navy refuses to take him because of the plate, the infantry/army refused to take him for the same reason, he was resigned to his fate of flipping burgers.
then he tried the marines, and barring what he called a 2 minute physical, he was given his contract to sign. met his future wife and is now on his second tour of duty, and honestly from what i saw out of him, he hasn't changed at all, still a down to earth cool dude. but even he is surprised that he got into the marines when the other 2 branches refused him.
That is a bit extreme. In what way do you feel morally obliged to help them and if I may ask how do you help them ?
Yes they did. But I don't think it makes the crime worst. A dead man is a dead man. Of course some crimes touch more than others, but the law should not care about this. A man is dead (though i am not sure he's dead yet), beaten to death. In my opinion, tricking a mentally challenged man into a fight and then killing (?) him while the guy he's beging to stop the fight, is cowardly and cruel.
But if the guy was not mentally challenged, a regular guy with 2 kids, would the crime less ?
It is weird to claim that every life are sacred and put a system value on the importance of your death in case of accident or crime, no ?
The fact that a mentally challenged person has been put to death make you (and me) feel chocked and disgusted, but the crime is no worse.
Where was this video found anyway ????
NONE of you actually KNOW what the Marine Corps. is all about! Its not about 'protecting american citizens' its about BREEDING BULLDOGS IN CAGES that will fight and kill anything they are pointed at. Marines get the worst weapons, the worst barracks, the hardest training, the toughest missions, and the least support. They are cold, hard killing machines. Get it through your thick skulls that this is what they are good for, and maybe we can actually deal with the damage done when they get out of the service. I fucking hate it when people try to make the Marine Corps something they are not. They are about fighting and death, that is all. DO NOT USE A HAMMER TO CLEAN YOUR FINE CHINA, DON'T USE A MARINE TO KEEP THE PEACE.
So you are saying that the Marines are made up of nothing but psychopaths and animal jackasses? Are you 14?
14, eh? That's a napalmin'!
We need to send the friends of the black belt murderer, the video of him killing this man so they can positively ID this man and make it easier for the cops to convict this man. Here http://is.gd/2qAu7 (credit to LOSEWINSPIN) is the cache of his myspace account before it was taken down. Copy his friends and link them to the video.
Found this too: http://www.bohans-family.com/friends/Blythe_b/toc.htm (the sensei)
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Ok, I live in Canada, not much I can do. Has someone done this? Please update?
Can you link to "Losewinspin" and where he may have explained how he knew this was the right guy?
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Not trolling, but this was posted in the other reddit thread:
*edit - i didn't write this shit, don't shoot the messenger! gees guys....
...so he was the mentally challenged one
Glad to know petty theft and lying is worthy of the inhumane brutal being he got.
P.S., I was disappointed in the master... for such a 'karate master' he should have 1 or 2 hit KO'd the other guy. He's just a bitch with a grudge.
Well that makes it okay to kill him then. Thank you to whoever pointed that out. Now I can sleep much better at night.
Unless the jail is incarcerating corpses, this would seem to indicate that they did not kill him.
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This is fucking sick. The mentally disturbed have the same rights as anyone. The cops should have been called and taken him to an institution. These animals setting a trap to kill him is beyond words. Life in prison is the only thing these twisted so called vigilantes deserve.
No I am a kung fu master. I go there for some light sparing.
As soon as they get nasty, I pull out a gun and shoot every one in the room.
Sparing just turned into self defense and a reasonable fear for my life.
Its not murder because he wasn't dead. These guys are scum and should be dealt with, but throwing around the term 'murder' when you have no facts to back it up makes you a liar.
We know there was blood and kicks to the head. We know we heard him wheezing. We know he used the phrase "found in dumpster". All these things could point to murder, but, we don't know. Which I hope people would be a bit more critical about before getting into a super-frenzy.
That said, it's still a haness assault. I just don't know why the dude would post a murder video.
Thank you for your critical and sober thinking. Everyone has turned into Bill Frist, diagnosing this from afar.
If he didn't die, he easily could have.
Attempted murder or murder, it's equally heinous.
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That, and I agree with you.
It is manslaughter at the very minimum.
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Henious, thank you.
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It says found "dead in a dumpster" on the description at the side, no one's really throwing the term around. It's been stated, and it's most likely correct, he landed his knee several times against the man's head, and stomped on his neck/lower jaw area hard enough to snap bones, you hear him trying to breathe after? Well if you do that to someone, and then throw them in a dumpster for hours, do you think his breathing is going to get any better?
what? no, it says the police found him in a dumpster, as in, they called the cops on the guy.
I think the guy got fucked up, but people have gone through worse in combat sports. The breathing thing is most likely a result of getting knocked out, people who get knocked out breathe awkwardly.
"Hard enough to snap bones"? Are you a Doctor who is also experienced in combat sports? Because otherwise you sound a lot like an armchair medical expert remarking on something you aren't knowledgeable in.
I just find it despicable that Reddit has descended into a Mob Mentality at this point with chants of "murder", when we don't know if thats the case.
(and for those that are curious, i'm not defending either of the two guys. I hope someone finds them and gives them the beating of their life)
Well yes now that you mention it, I am a Doctor who is experienced in combat sports. In all seriousness though, yes, in the description on the right it says specifically that he was found dead in a dumpster, I'll even copy and paste it:
In a shocking discovery, this brutal and graphic video has just not been posted to the internet. It is a video supposedly taken from December of 1984 in which Bobby J Blythe, a karate "master instructs his student to brutally beat an individual who is seriously mentally ill. This man was later discovered dead in a dumpster and Blythe was never charged.
This is literally copied and pasted from the description in the box. Maybe this guy is wrong, I'm just explaining why people would think it's murder.
A liar is someone who deliberately makes false statements with the intent to deceive. Being wrong, or making assumptions, whether correct or not, does not make someone a liar.
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Not exactly reliable sources, but here ya go:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=915208&page=3 (second post)
http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=6496&page=4
"Last I heard, he was in Salem, VA in the Mental Lockup there."
according the perpetrator of the crime..
that ufc forum gave me a headache.
This is according to a former student of Blythe, the instructor, who said he heard it from Blythe and can't be considered reliable. Who would do that to someone then keep track of them years after, especially after throwing them in the dumpster.
The victim hasn't been confirmed dead. There may be some evidence that he is alive but I think it's being held back to protect his identity. That's just a guess from following the story but if there is evidence it's being held for the authorities.
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This made me really happy to know that. A million thanks for saying this.
Edit- I mean the fact he's still alive.
I wasn't planning to watch it, but I'm glad you gave the synopsis you did. It was enough without being to graphic.
I hope these guys' future cell mates have mentally handicapped younger siblings, pent up frustrations, a bottle of Viagra, and no lube whatsoever.
I think it makes it even worse. It's like from the onset the marine feller was doing what he did at the end of this miserable spectacle.
So were those last two stomps to his head/neck fatal or close to being fatal? I really hope someone can answer this? First time watching it I assumed not and his neck/head were still fine just a bit fucked up. But the way you said it makes it seem like it could've or was deadly.
That kind of thing is impossible to tell from a video. I haven't seen all of the video yet (it's getting swamped with viewers I think) but as a semi-pro fighter I'd have to say the descriptions of the event sound pretty fatal.
Right. If I take the point of view of a skeptic layman, it would seem like the noise he makes after getting fucked up are because of a broken nose.
Nope, watched the video, he sustained two axe kicks to the neck. Not the head, the neck. That guy is dead.
I watched a few times, and it seems like the very last stomp could have done very severe damage. The mans head is resting on the side of an iron base plate, and the stomp connects squarely, driving his head right into the corner of it.
A persons neck can be fractured very easily, especially with an enraged 170+lb dude stomping on it.
Executed? Are you positive this guy was killed?
I'm not saying that the fucker shouldn't be brought to justice, but to me it seems a bit premature that people are screaming bloody murder.
checked article:
This man was later discovered dead in a dumpster and Blythe was never charged.
From the description on YouTube
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I wonder if it's real. Where would he have said that?
This is horrible. And even worse is the fact that this has been posted on the internet for all to see. To me, there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
We're paradoxically outraged by what we see and yet still click on something clearly advertised as "Mentally Challenged Man Beaten to Death". Let's bring this criminal to justice? Honestly, what is most of reddit going to do? A vast majority of us (myself included) just watched someone die for nothing more than shock-value entertainment. It's horrifying, but entertainment all the same.
Shame on you, shame on me, shame on them. Human beings are disgusting creatures.
I agree that this was a heinous crime, mental handicap or no, but the relevancy of the handicap stands.
It wasn't the victims stature or strength that was holding him back, but his lack of ability to communicate with others. The majority of mental illness' makes it difficult for the sufferer to adhere to social norms. If you or I were in the situation of the victim, we would have clearly and concisely said anything to get out of the situation. It's relevant for the fact that this man was at a disadvantage far greater than an average sound minded person would be during an assault like that.
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I think it adds to the outrageousness of the situation. Were it someone more capable it would have been slightly less despicable.
Indeed. Master is the same as student here. And, all onlookers, including camera guy, are in the mix. This must've haunted them... which makes it easier for me to understand how their lives can be thought of as "valid", until now... or not valid. Prosecution is looooooooooooooooming
Seeing as how it's appearing so far down the page, I thought the comments from the original YouTube posting (by the dojo master) should be highlighted, where he claims the victim lived.
I'm not saying flaming pitchforks aren't warranted either way, but the dojo master seems to believe the victim is alive and is currently in a mental/penal institution.
I love how "head stomp" is now part of everyday vocabulary, rather than just a move that only ghetto freaks are really aware of.
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Well, just think about it - guys who define themselves as how many people they can beat up. Yay! Martial arts are gay. Don't bring your faggot kung-fu to a gun fight, it just won't work. You're living in the past, little boys. Fisticuffs wont get you anywhere.
This is what niggers are good for: killing the defenseless for no good reason
What irony that you have the capacity to point out a logical fallacy in an argument, and yet you post this.
What irony that you're a dipshit who can't see the forest for the lulz