The Setup:
Texas beats TCU.
OU beats OSU.
OSU beats Iowa St.
TCU beats OU.
The Standings:
Each of the above teams win out in their remaining Big 12 games leaving the conference standings:
OU 7-2
OSU 7-2
TCU 7-2
ISU 7-2
UT 7-2
Each team has a head to head record of 2-2 against the other four.
credit to bravedaveo @ barkingcarnival.com
Chaos Rules!
Posted Oct 30, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC
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If this unlikely scenario comes to pass and you make a shirt with this on it and the 5 team logos on the back... I'll be your first customer
You got it, Steve.
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Your comment and everybody under it is getting my upvote.
I mean ya, I want to see this happen.
Let Chaos Reign - B12 (prolly)
I think you guys actually have the best chance to beat TCU. Your D-Line should stop their run game and pressure Kenny Hill.
I like your chances better than ours, anyway.
Nah, we're gonna get boat raced. I just hope we have positive yardage on offense.
As a PAC-12 fan. No. No you don't. The circle of suck is real and all consuming. Except for Oregon State who have managed to escape the circle by having 0 conference wins. Good on you, OSU. Rise above.
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Can Kansas beat Texas again and there still be a five way tie?
pls no
If that happened I wouldn't even be mad if we got left out of the playoffs for the sheer hilarity.
Here are the current point differentials and the tie-breaker scenarios for the curious.
TCU +6
Iowa State +4
Texas +2
Oklahoma -2
Oklahoma State -10
| Eliminated Team | Host Team vs Away Team |
|---|---|
| Oklahoma State | Texas vs Iowa State |
| Oklahoma | Oklahoma State vs Texas |
| Iowa State | TCU vs Oklahoma |
| TCU | Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State |
Edit: The championship game is at a neutral site, these would just be the designated home and away teams.
Edit 2: As u/CaptDouglasJayFalcon points out, Texas has already had their two losses and has a positive point differential, thus they cannot be the eliminated team on point differential. Thanks for that catch, I didn't even think to check!
So we need a solid win over TCU and then OU needs to trash OSU, and then ISU and UT are in!
Ha ha ha. We just got TCU good and angry and you're playing them in Fort Worth. Have fun with that one.
you did the same shit with OU
Y'all did the same thing before Oklahoma as well. I guess it's revenge for us beating y'all
I want a rematch.
No thank you
So what if all 5 teams have the same point differential
Baylor and Kansas get to go to the championship because everything's pointless and it might as well happen. We might as well have a slug-fest between my beloved stoppable force known as Baylor and the movable object up in Kansas.
But if Baylor and Kansas both go the the championship why is everyone saying this weeks game between them is the most important game of the year?
Because then we have a match-up that rivals even the closest games in parity, purely because of how ass both teams are this year, my dude.
I think the intention would be a random draw. However, the rule says, "The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration." Now, you might laugh, but I bet someone could argue that the interpretation of the rule would eliminate all five teams, which would result in either no championship game or teams #6 and #7 going to the championship. Obviously this situation is astronomically unlikely and if it did happen the BIG XII would never allow that and would immediately clarify the rule, but it'd be pretty hilarious to watch play out.
And if West Virginia, Texas Tech, and Kansas State all tie the same way as well that means the championship game will have Baylor and Kansas
It goes to another tie breaker, then another one and another one until there is no statistic that can possibly distinguish between the quality of these teams in any fashion. When that happens, it's just a coin-flip (or, in the case of 5 teams, rolling a 10 sided die and dividing by two).
I think the real answer is that we literally draw numbers.
In this scenario, Texas can't be the eliminated team in tie breakers because we'd be guaranteed to have a positive point differential. Because we can't be eliminated this way, this scenario also creates one of the weirdest incentives in football where we don't want to win vs TCU by more than 10 points.
Here's some math. With a 9 point win, the worst TCU could finish after beating OU would be -2. Texas would be at +11 Which means that there are -9 points remaining amongst the remaining three teams. Even if that's minimized, at least one conference member is guaranteed to have a point differential of at most -3, saving TCU from elimination.
With a 10 point win and the slimmest TCU victory over OU, the lowest possible score they could have would be a -3 while we have a +12. But the slimmest possible victory over OU also guarantees that OU will finish with at worst -2 with a win over OSU. With 2 teams remaining and a total of at the most -7 point differential points between them, at least one of them will have a -4 and be eliminated.
With an 11 point win, and again a TCU could finish with -4 points. OU would finish with at worst -2 points again, which would leave Iowa State and OSU with -7 points. If OSU was at -4 in this scenario (lose to OU by 1 point, beat ISU by 7), TCU and OSU would be eliminated, creating a three-way tie between OU, Texas, and Iowa State that would be resolved with OU hosting Texas for the Big 12 championship game. This is almost certainly a worse outcome than hosting Iowa State.
With more than an 11 point win, TCU can lose outright the tie-breaker causing us to not advance, when a 10 point win would guarantee that they would not be the cause of our elimination.
Don't worry, unless our defense scores all the points, we aren't beating anyone with a pulse on defense by more than 10 points.
Hmm...I would prefer just the 4-way tie between OU, OSU, TCU, and ISU, but having half the conference tie for first place is hilarious.
I just realized that a 5-way tie would be half the teams and now I want to see it even more.
With only a month left in the season, this doesn't seem all that unlikely. The craziest thing on here is Texas beating TCU which isn't outlandish at all since other than the MD game, all their losses have been by a combined 11 points.
That seemed outlandish until ISU beat TCU, and ISU lost to Texas at home by 10...
The Big 12 is very weird right now.
Nitpick - ISU lost by 10, the score was 17-7.
Sorry, fixed.
We weren't our best selves in that game.
Y'all didn't run and the QB was ass. That was the ugliest game I've seen this year (maybe UT OSU was worse)
Yeah. I was pretty mad but honestly you guys are a good team this year. That defense...
11? Wow that hurts
Relatable. Our two losses are by a combined 9 points
2 of the losses in there were overtime losses too.
At the end of regulation Texas has only been trailing in 2 games.
Keep going I’m almost there bby
In this scenario, LSU and Auburn defeat Bama...Chaos gods must have a sacrifice.
Lets be realistic here.
Even if Texas beats TCU this weekend, they can't win out the rest of the season because they still have to play Kansas.
This scenario could easily happen. In any event I am not jazzed at all over playing the same team twice in the same year - especially a rival like OSU or Texas. A second OU/Texas game would be very odd (but would have been cool as hell in 2008 for BCS title!).
I think the Big 12 CCG is pretty dumb too.
Better would have been splitting the Big 12 into two 5 team divisions with full round robin, where you play your 'cross' division opponents to start the season and then the championship game comes from the two division leaders.
At least that would prevent a rematch that was less than 6 weeks old.
Problem with 2 divisions is some years the title game is the best team vs the 4th best team.
that would never happen
/s
I miss playing Nebraska every year :(
Path to the 7 8 way tie for first at 5-4 in the Big 12:
Baylor beats TCU.
Iowa state beats Baylor.
Kansas beats OU, OSU, Texas.
Kansas State beasts Iowa State, OU, WVU.
Oklahoma beats OSU.
OSU beats Iowa State.
TCU beats OU.
Texas beats TCU, WVU.
Texas Tech wins out (Baylor, Kansas State, TCU, Texas).
WVU beats Iowa State, OU.
Baylor would finish either 1-8 or 2-7 and Kansas would finish either 3-6 or 4-5.
edit: 8 way tie, not 7
I kind of want to be winless heading into the game against TCU and then beat them and ruin their season
Spoiler is the way to be if you can't be on top (sup WVU)
Kansas State beats ISU, OSU, WVU
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What the fuck
Kansas beats...
Okay, I think I've gotten far enough in this thread.
I'm impressed you got past "Baylor beats ..."
but where's the scenario where we win it?
All other Big XII schools disband their football programs, or 2007 happens again
What's the tiebreaker?
If it comes down to a drawing, Texas and Oklahoma will make it in. Big 12 would make it happen...
c. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest to lowest.
I love the ambiguity here.
Texas comes out first: "Oh, higher seed means #1."
Texas comes out last: "Oh, higher seed means #3."
Seriously who wrote that.
That easily could be seen as 1 being highest or 5 being highest.
Not gonna lie a Red River Shootout for the Big 12 championship would be amazeballs
Would it? WOULD IT???
Yes
David Stern at it again
I think it goes to point differentials in the games (i.e. who won their 2 wins by the most and lost their two losses by the least)
Here's the most current set of conference tie breakers.
I... I think I'm more confused after reading that than I was before
Ok, so here's how it goes.
Step 1: Record among tied teams. In the five way tie-breaker, this will be 2-2 for everyone.
Step 2: Record against the next best team. In this five-way tie scenario, all teams will be equal.
Step 3: Eliminate the worst team(s) based on aggregate scoring in all games involving the tied teams. This will create a four way tie if only one team is eliminated, which will give home field to the 2-1 team that defeated the other 2-1 team. The other 2-1 team will be the away team in the championship game.
Step 4, if necessary: If the scoring margin eliminated 2 teams, and the remaining teams are 1-1 against each other, the two teams are chosen randomly.
Hope that helps!
Just root for the random draw. That's the easiest way to do it.
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Its only scoring differential among the tied teams. So its the differential vs the other 4, not the entire conference.
yep you're right.
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Battle Royale on a 5-way football field pentagram.
Like a Chinese Checkers board, whoever lets the most touchdowns past their goal loses.
None of those are even all that unrealistic. Of of course the odds of ALL of them happening are low, but it wouldn't be that surprising.
Wouldn't the default be to go by who is highest in the AP poll (since I doubt the CFP rankings are included in the BXII bylaws)?
AP voters collude and rank all 5 teams #21
Nooooooooppppppppppeeeeeee.
Head to Head then scoring differential
3rd tiebreaker is scoring differential among tied teams. http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=1546006
Nope according to them a random draw is more accurate than CFP rankings.
Crazy thing is that most of those very well could happen. The only one that is a stretch is the Texas game
Texas is a wild card this year that no team should sleep on. The team is talented enough to beat anyone this year. But injuries, inexperience, some questionable play calls and bad bounces have cost this team.
That's all reasonable too...
How does Baylor fit into this scenario?
Fun fact: the tiebreaker for this scenario is actually the two teams with the closest Whataburger to the teams stadium.
Welp. ISU is fucked.
Just checked it is a 10 hour drive.
I wasn't all that impressed with the quality of food the two times I've eaten at one anyway. I'm sure it would be better if my sample size was larger though.
Also I need to correct you, friend. Our closest one I believe is in Rogers, AR which is about 6.5 hours from Ames
Need to confirm wether you where high or not before said experience
For science obviously
Eh...B-Bops is better anyway.
You also have to keep in mind that there is near perfect correlation between Whataburger quality and the restaurant's proximity to Corpus Christi, home of the original Whataburger.
Tbh I trust this guys username
But did you try an HBCB? Will blow your mind
Dude, there are multiple Whataburgers closer to Tuscaloosa than Ames... What kind of Big XII school are you?
Eh better than Colorado
Naturally the Big XII would do something to fuck us over.
Good thing their fans love Taco Bell
Wait... so Baylor goes winless AND wins the Big XII title? (There's a Whataburger directly across from campus).
Yes, but the stadium is a decent hike from the campus.
Not anymore we built a new one on campus sort of
There's a Whataburger directly across from every campus in Texas.
Oh shit ours is like a mile
looks like we’ll need a precise measurement because Texas is close too
Via the googles
Damn, you win this round
Less than in Stillwater.
Edit: (It's) less than (that) in Stillwater.
Eh, if you take Duck it'll basically take you straight from BPS to Whataburger. Gotta be less than a mile.
Oh, ya that looks rather ambiguous, huh? It's definitely less than a mile from BPS to W-a-B; it's like .8 something.
Fond memories of that WB.
.8 Miles mothafucka
We're .6 of a mile away and that's if you use the route mapquest gave me that makes you take the long way out of the stadium onto the service road of Marsha Sharp rather than going straight onto University.
Yeah it's basically on campus as far as I'm concerned. Then there's another one off of 19th, and one off 4th, several off of the loop... In fact I'm pretty sure there are like 8 within 10 minutes of campus
This made me chuckle. I wonder what the Pac-12 tiebreaker is for this scenario. Closest In-N-Out?
If so, the Oregon and Washington schools are SOL.
Shameful fact: The Texas campus is closer to an In-N-Out than a Whataburger. Obviously UT's prepping for a move to the Pac-12.
Technically speaking, by road travel, the In-N-Out near Baylor is closer than the Whataburger. Whataburger is about 1 block south down the feeder road, while In-N-Out is just off of a street that goes by campus. Source: just drove past it when leaving Baylor today.
closer by about one block so people will mostly likely keep on walking to the Whataburger
God, people shit on me here in AZ for preferring Whataburger over In-n-Out
In-n-Out is crazy boring
Big Ten could be decided by first snowfall
That seems fair for every Big Ten school.
The fact that it snowed very briefly on friday helps too
In-N-Out is slowly creeping up Interstate 5 in Oregon. IIRC the second Oregon location is actually opening this week.
It's a shame they don't franchise, because whenever they open one in Eugene it'll make a killing.
Don't you put that evil on In-N-Out. Not franchising is one of the big reasons they keep up good quality control and pay their workers fair wages.
Guess that makes the ACC tiebreaker Cook Out?
Bojangles?
closest crack house
Texas Tech 0.4 miles
Oklahoma State 0.8 miles
TCU 1.4 miles taking the long way around the stadium
Baylor 1.4 miles
Texas 1.5 miles
Oklahoma 3.2 miles
Kansas 202 miles
Kansas State 255 miles
Iowa State 443 miles
West Virginia 663 miles
Corrections are welcome
I would 100% personally franchise a Whataburger and open it closer than .8 miles, and I'd take out a second mortgage to do it.
Sorry we win
Well thats hardly fair since our entire state doesn't even have a Whataburger.
New rule, closest BBops.
That's like 3 miles for us. Why is there not one closer? Can we do Chic-Fil-A instead?
Do you guys not have one in the stadium? I guess we win?
Not a Whataburger...that I'm aware of...
Sorry, meant Chick-Fil-A in the stadium.
I could throw a football from The Jones and hit a Chick-Fil-A
Same.
That would be the SEC tiebreaker
That, my disturbingly orange-on-orange friend, is Texas Bias.
Closest one for Texas Tech is across the street from the stadium, so I'm assuming Kirby Hocutt came up with this rule.
It's the only way we win by default.
I'm like 60% sure this is a lie but I find it entirely plausible
We got a 4 min drive. What about y'all?
Yeah baby it is
that definitely doesn't show favoritism at all!
Eaten at both. The one in Virginia is superior.
ha. Ours is a block away
Edit: forgot I haven’t added flair yet.. OSU
Oh! I'll accept that decision for the Pokes!
Beat OU!
That's what we get for moving the league offices to Dallas.
Bruh I know you're kidding, but I've witnessed Whataburger being used as a way of solving a standings tiebreaker before.