Shit just got real
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twitter.comPosted Jun 3, 2012, 12:10 PM UTC
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It's r/starcraft. Nothing else happens.
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EDIT: And use some new gifs people! Variety is good!
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Can I thank you for putting this in a comment instead of making a meme post about it.
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I havn't been on reddit for a while. Are we hating Naniwa or not right now?
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Some of* r/starcraft hates Naniwa because he's been an easy target. Naniwa thumbs downs Nestea and Korea doesn't like it so he's bad manner. Even though everyone is more than happy to see MC basically shove his dick in his opponent's mouth as a celebration.
He wants to go on JP's show because a few weeks ago he was humiliated by another player. And instead of that player being lambasted for publicly insulting Naniwa for no apparent reason, people are saying Naniwa is creating drama for wanting to go on the same show and defend himself.
It's really sad to see everyone so easily accept this double standard because he has some sort of autism(?). Especially considering unlike a certain progamer whose been on Real Talk, he's actually passionate about the game.
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He does not have "some sort of autism", that's just malicious speculation.
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Having met nani IRL and being a person who actually has high functioning autism I can with 99% certainty say that he does not have autism.
Also, his manners comes from how people treat him.
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I do agree a lot with your last statement, he might be awkward, but when people gang up on you some people become just depressed and some people become aggressive(not in a physical sense) I understand Naniwa reaction on many things, he can be a little over the top. but respect him alot more than idra f.eks
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Unless you have an actual medical education and experience in psychiatry, no it's more like 2% certainty.
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being a person who actually has high functioning autism
Sure you do.
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Having met nani IRL and being a doctor with 6 degrees, I can confirm he is autistic.
Also, his manners come from being a socially awkward bitch.
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Aspergers hwaiting!!!
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Agreed, untill Naniwa says something himself we have no right to speculate wether he is autistic or not. However (2 sided i know) I have autism, and i recognize the speech and social flaws of his (esp when under pressure).
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:) Most of it is probably just people joking around. No need to get mad, lol.
People make jokes about all sorts of things! Just watch some comedy, people joke about race, medical conditions, sexuality, mental problems, etc.
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No normal person acts like Naniwa does, if he doesn't have autism he needs to go to a psychologist before he ends up stalking the halls of a building with a machine gun.
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Are you ok? You seem to have a really bad case of speculitis, with what appears to be local globules of oozing dramatiticules around your fingers and mouth.
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you're the one who has autism judging by this comment...
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That's a pretty accurate description of MC's celebrations.
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people are saying Naniwa is creating drama for wanting to go on the same show and defend himself.
Apparently you didn't see the earlier round of tweets. Naniwa originally refused to go on JP's show and claimed that JP would edit out any statements Naniwa made that are critical of EG.
Naniwa is no stranger to drama because he likes creating it. Remember when he called Wolf a "bronze league commentator" out of the blue? Remember when he caused an uproar at MLG and left NesTea waiting for 30 minutes between games so he could watch the previously aborted game's replay and thus see NesTea's scouting pattern? Remember when he stormed out of IEM Kiev due to a minor hiccup in the internet connection and was going to abandon the tournament until Rotterdam actually ran after Naniwa and caught him halfway to his hotel and talked him into coming back?
Naniwa is the very definition of a drama queen.
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I don't think it was a minor hiccup in the internet connecting at IEM. Most people said that when they watched Naniwa play it was unplayable
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Yes, the first few games played at Kiev (not just Naniwa's) were laggy. The conditions were not ideal; but they were also fixed.
Had Naniwa walked out on the tournament, as he originally intended, he would have fucked over his team who flew him out to Kiev and all the sponsors who paid for him to go via their sponsorship. Naniwa should be very thankful that Rotterdam, good man that he is, was able to talk some sense into him.
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Ehh? "Minor hiccup in the internet connection?" Wasn't it poor computer performance resulting in major framerate issues rendering the game pretty much unplayable?
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Some of these aren't true - hasn't it been confirmed by mlg officials that naniwa wasn't watching the replay? (the original accusation was that he "looked at nesteas build order in the score screen") so I don't know how you arrived at an even more serious accusation without evidence. Wolf is a lower level commentator - he frequently analyzes and criticizes players when he doesn't have good understanding of the game / metagame. He excels at other aspects of casting and he's a good caster - but his analysis is dirt, maybe wolf was criticizing a ST player and naniwa was offended? You can't say it was out of the blue unless you know naniwa had no reason for it. And he left iem Kiev because the pc he was playing on was frame-lagging (a hardware issue, not "Minor Internet issue") - is it not understandable that a player be frustrated when the equipment provided by the tournament (stuff outside the players control) doesn't work up to snuff and your play is affected by it? Naniwa is involved in drama a lot, but it's hard to call him a drama queen because all he even wants to do is practice and compete.
tl;dr this post is more dramatic than naniwa
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hasn't it been confirmed by mlg officials that naniwa wasn't watching the replay?
Not that I know of.
Wolf is a lower level commentator
No. This is ridiculous. Wolf says stupid things sometimes (the man needs to shut up about hair) but one area where he's very sharp is with game analysis. He makes mistakes, sure, he casts dozens of games per day sometimes, but to call him a "bronze league commentator" is absolutely pompous and ridiculous.
And he left iem Kiev because the pc he was playing on was frame-lagging
As far as I know, the problem was attributed to "lag". He never mentioned dropped frames. But, even if the problem was frame dropping and not lag, leaving the tournament is not professional. He should have done more to talk with admins and organizers. Had he walked out on the tournament, as he originally intended, he would have fucked over his team who flew him out to Kiev and all the sponsors who paid for him to go via their sponsorship. Walking out on a tournament is a sign of extreme immaturity.
tl;dr your post is a poor attempt to rationalize Naniwa's unprofessional and immature behavior.
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Well said
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It is however not farfetched to believe that Naniwa has serious issues in his social life and how he relates to other people. He has been thrown of from several teams by conducting himself poorly and has repeatedly been in trouble in tournaments.
He was even known for his BM in WC3 days and got thrown out by his parents and school because of his behaviour and excessive gaming.
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got thrown out by his parents and school because of his behaviour and excessive gaming.
I heard it was purely because he was missing school for gaming. Source please?
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This was from an interview back in 2008-2009 when NaNiwa was in team Hoorai. It was on myMYM I believe and unfortunately, the MYM site is terrible at the moment and finding an old article piece is not easy. But I have followed Warcraft 3 scene practically since 2006 and I can say that this interview did indeed happen with this being said.
Even Slasher brought this up on his show when he worked for MLG because this was public for years already.
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his source is his ass, cause his talking out of it
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Here you go!. P.S.Naniwa is really a douchebag
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He's not autist, he's just a bit of a douche.
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Keep in mind, Idra was just responding to JP's question. It wasn't like idra talked about him out of the blue. Naniwa had been pestering him and JP wanted to know what the news was all about. Naniwa is known for creating drama as some of the posters before me have said. Why talk bad about JP's show and saying it would censor out anything bad about EG?
He doesn't have autism. Just socially inept. Which I don't find to be a valid excuse. Additionally, passionate about the game doesn't mean we should just support him over other players. I like idra because from everyone that knows him personally says his "bad boy" act is simply an act. Everyone that knows Naniwa says he's pretty much a dick all the time...
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what? Idra threatens Naniwa to knock him out next time he sees him: https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/205217618402091009
just because Naniwa has been taunting him to play the showmatch IDRA agreed before and said would be an easy win for him because Naniwa's PvZ was terrible. That's why JP asked the question. And now Naniwa is the dick... yeah right...
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Except you forgot to mention the part where Idra constantly told Naniwa he could not do the show-match because of time constraints. Naniwa was simply trying to get a rise out of him and make drama. He did, and mindless sheep like you blow it further out of proportion.
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Everyone that knows Naniwa says he's pretty much a dick all the time...
Simply not true.
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I've never heard otherwise. If you could cite examples where people say naniwa is a good guy then perhaps I would change my mind, but I've never heard good things about him.
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No, theres plenty of people who have a hatred for idra probably more than naniwa. Hes a douche.
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I hate MC more than any other player on the scene right now
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I would let MC shove his dick in my mouth.
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HES THE GRACKEN XDDDD EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS GODD :3
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r/starcraft hates Naniwa
Nice generalization.
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There is an asterisk right in your quote, which is often used to signify an edit...
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I edited it after his comment. Hence the asterisk.
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i dont know about everyone else but i love nani. he's a no bullshit type of guy. that's what makes him so great. no pretending, no fluff, no fakeness. just 100% nani
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Exactly! I hope he'll never change. I love him to pieces just because he is so true to himself no matter of all the shit he gets all the time.
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I love the guy in terms of his skill, nationality and his frankness. Although, I would like to see him become more socially competent, so he can better explain himself, answer questions and know when certain things are suitable or said in jest.
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woah woah woah buddy, lets not think rationally here. This is r/starcraft, not a place to simply ask for a player to become more professional. You gotta do the right thing and email his sponsors and get him fired.
/sarcasm (if I don't put this people with think I'm serious. Seriously, they will.)
But well put, although you'll be getting downvoted to hell..
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For his sake I hope he does change. He obviously isn't happy or secure with how he is right now. I think Nani would be a completely different person if he was as confident outside of SC2 as he is in it.
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wtf are you talking abt? He talks nothing but bullshit :/
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When IdrA was on JPs show, he shit talked Naniwa a bit, and also a few other people did in other interviews, like Nightend did in a CSN interview. Well in fairness to Nightend, it wasn't really shit talk... he was just saying why he disliked Naniwa, which assuming his story was true seemed very fair.
Edit: Also found this. https://twitter.com/itmeJP/status/208924508038504449
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Story?
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Well, this pretty much confirms that Naniwa is a douche... NightEnd seemed very sincere here.
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Thank you friend :D
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Story of what? If you want to know what the players said, look up the Real Talk episode with IdrA or the Nightend CSN interview. I don't remember everything they said and wouldn't want to misspeak on their behalf, nor do I want to look it up for you, rewatch it, and then type out the story. Sorry.
Edit: Oh I get downvoted for not doing the work for someone else, and even saying sorry that I was not willing to? >.<
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If you don't want to do it, don't do it. No need for the dramatics, thats what is catching you those down votes.
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Yeah that's not shit-talk lol..
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I personally love Naniwa's honesty and his social awkwardness is funny sometimes :D
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It actually makes me kind of sad every time I see people hating on his social skills. It just feels too much like bullying. Like it is okay to make such a big freaking hateful deal out of someone who doesn't act like their every movement is scripted. Like they are specialists in how to behave properly in any given situation and how to never ever say anything that might offend the big names in this industry. Thank God we got NaNiwa to represent the average human being. The one who is sometimes awkward, sometimes angry, sometimes inappropriate.
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But he treats other people like shit. He did not get thrown off all those teams, or thrown out of school, or thrown out by his parents by being "awkward".
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Bingo.
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Thank you. I don't understand why this is being downplayed so much. I don't care if he is socially awkward, I'm not a fan because the guys a dick.
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So its ok to treat someone like shit if he also treats others like shit? Maybe he wouldnt be such an asshole if people didn't call him one all the time eh?
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People tend to like people with better social skills; don't think of it as a script, but a game.
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I certainly don't... If anything he has more legitimacy than idra or jp... well definitely jp.
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Your accountname will never be more fitting than now.
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Naniwa fanboyism is going on right now its a little lowkey though. I think its in sort of a lull right now though, as people are just waiting for him to do something like win gsl match/this live stuff.
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Love his play, hate his attitude. And not in a cute love to hate way like Idra's attitude.
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no.
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It's unfortunate that we have to check in to see what the hivemind is saying today.
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we are not hating Naniwa right now. He's just been annoying how he's complained about what Idra said, then when JP invited him on the show for his shot he originally declined and accused JP that he would edit the show. Its all resolved now that he's actually doing the show.
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hahaha
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Speak for yourself please, all this "we" bullshit is irritating as fuck
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are we annoyed?
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No I'm content in the fact I'm not you but a bit sad people like you exist
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Upvote for you kind sir.
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We don't need IdrA to be honest, his antics aren't even funny. I hate the double standards that this community is held to.
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We need more funny Starcraft players!
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I don't disagree, I wish we had more people with personalities but again, double standards everywhere.
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@QuanticNaNi
also we have to do it live JP :) or no deal.
https://twitter.com/QuanticNaNi/status/209254053044170752
I think he wants to talk so much shit about eg players/casters jp couldn't put it online in vods
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using my wealth of knowledge in the swedish language aka google translate:
@kezi_d1 - @QuanticNaNi gör det inte. jänkarna kommer hata på dig ändå, dom kommer bara säga du var omogen osv. skit i dom, du får inte ut något av det
"do not. Yanks will hate on you anyway, they'll just say you were immature and so on. fuck them, you will not get any of it"
@QuanticNaNi - @kezi_d1 vet :)
"i know"
I hope Naniwa can realize that he has a lot of american fans including myself and ones that do not share the same views as whatever spews out of EG players.
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honestly I used to really like Naniwa. Then he started this whole I don't give a shit about American fans and they all hate me stuff, and now I do. I can only hear how much he doesn't care that we root for him so many times before I stop rooting for him altogether.
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I think that's a defense mechanism - I think a lot of things he does/ says are to stop getting himself hurt.
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You know whats cool, we have several pros that aren't immature children and deserve the support we give.
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This is why people think he is autistic. I personally think he is just an idiot. He has no business sense and no understanding of how anything works outside of his small life, the 'defense mechanism' proves it.
He continually takes personally what should be professional.
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Good thing I care 95% about skill and 5% about personality. He can talk all the shit he wants as long as he kicks ass ingame I don't give a fuck.
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Me being a fan isn't changed by what he says about other players or teams. But I have no incentive to root for somebody who openly admits he doesn't care about me as a fan.
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He's stated in his fanclub that he cares about all his fans.
He's also clarified multiple times that he values swedish fans most because they stick by him no matter what, whereas fans who don't share a nationality are more fair weather. He noted in particular how Huk while still popular has lost a lot of fans since the EG transfer and gets a ridiculous amount of flak these days when he's not winning everything he enters. Remember that liquid' Luk was a fond nickname and EG Luk is clearly dismissive of his talent.
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Luk
ಠ_ಠ
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Pretty much all the Korean pros have something to say about Nani, remember MC leveling him?
I get it that he gets a lot of shit, but you don't get hated on by everyone without having at least having instigated something.
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I hope Naniwa can realize that he has a lot of american fans
I hope you realize he doesn't give a flying fuck, and has repeatedly said that he doesn't give a shit about any of his fans other than Swedish ones.
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He's said he thinks everyone but his swedish fans are very fickle and will basically stop caring about you when you mess up once or slump for a while... Which is true.
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Was anyone else's Real Talk episode aired live?
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Nope, this would be a first
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yeah he did mention doing it live someday. nani would only hurt himself if he plans on trashing other players. nobody would talk to him after.
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well idra didn't really hold back either, I don't get why he gets cut so much slack and everybody is piling on nani. I for one enjoy Naniwa way more than idra who can't even produce results anymore and is only good at talking shit.
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It would be funny as hell though
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at this point in the game for nani, I think he knows who his true friends are. he's burned enough bridges to the point where he is on princess island with just a couple of homies (Sase and err... Sase?) I personally don't have a problem with nani as a player or person and find it really disturbing that thousands of others are willing to just take someone else's word about someone else's character as 100% accurate. if everyone were to come to their own conclusions, the world would be a much less angry and ignorant place.
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I don't see why he cares. It would not be hard to run xsplit or even just audacity to record everything on his end, then ifJP doesn't post it or edits anything out he has a copy to show that would basically ruin JP's "its not scripted or edited" image.
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them thangs called sponsors that pay his salary. they would care.
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Well obviously, but I mean why naniwa cares if JP streams it live. It's sponsor suicide either way, but theres nothing that a forced live appearance offers that dual-recorded one doesn't in terms of preventing editing and censorship.
Unless he wants to kill himself live on air. That would be pretty insane.
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You know those caller's on live on three that start cursing at the hosts to try to sound like tough shit over the internet? That's why he wants this live. So he can be that guy that would be hung up on if it weren't him.
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I didn't know Socke used to be a wrestler!
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Back then he was known as Triple H
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socke doesnt smile..
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Why is he not white?
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Because at the time of Thriller, Michael Jackson wasn't nutso yet. Drugs are bad mmk?
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You do realize he was diagnosed with vitiligo which is a disease that causes skin depigmentation. Not the effects of some crazy drug...
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lol yes, the pop star who happened to be obsessed with his hatred of his african features just so happened to pick up a disease that caused him to turn white :D lol ... ye, right
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We're both right sir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_health_and_appearance The drugs he took for his vitiligo and lupus (it was lupus this time!) made him even more pale
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Oh god JP, PLEASE make this a thing.
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Please make what a thing? Real Talk is already a thing.
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That was a terrible attempt at being funny.
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I wasn't trying to be funny. I was actually wondering what he meant by "this".
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What else could he mean other then getting naniwa on the show.
There's already been 4 episodes, im pretty sure its allready a 'thing'
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*facepalm
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This obsession with whatever childish crap these players want to throw at each other is getting pathetic.
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Let's hope Naniwa doesn't up the stakes too much. A community hemorrhaging is not very nice.
Nobody is perfect, we let shit slide all the time in different parts of our lives. Shit happens, we let it go. I'm worried that naniwa may feel so betrayed by the community that he'll try to set light to it. Burn the clubhouse down if they won't accept him into their midst. All in an act of sweet revenge.
Naniwa has been through a lot himself. Perhaps he should be cut some slack. I wish this could be used as an opportunity for growth. I'm afraid however that we'll be in for some slash and burn agriculture.
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Naniwa doesn't want to burn down the community; he just wants to burn down IdrA because he felt IdrA tried to do it to him.
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Naniwa's been known for destroying his self-image time and time again. His Warcraft 3 days for example...
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Agree but it could just be fine after this interview, but sadly I don't think so
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For someone who "only focuses on the game" Nani seems quite interested in this drama.
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Im pretty sure after the drone rush incident he said he realises that there is more to being an sc2 pro then caring soley about competing due to backlash he got from it.
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Idra agreed to a showmatch. Naniwa then tries to set it up. Is met by complete silence. He then keeps asking, because Idra had given his word already. Idra then threatens to beat the shit out of him?
Are you people out of your fucking minds!? Idra is a fucking cunt. Nonstop. First he breaks his word, and he doesn't even have the decency to EXPLAIN WHY to the person he gave his word to. And he then threatens that person with physical violence when being prompted to keep his word.
It is utter insanity how anyone could defend anything Idra has done in this situation. He's a fucking gutter rat.
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Calm down. Naniwa nagged Idra about the showmatch in a very immature way. You don't keep bothering someone about that like that without getting some kind of reaction. I really don't like what idra said, but idra doesn't need to explain to Naniwa why he's not playing it right now. Only a child acts the way Naniwa does and idra too, but saying that Naniwa is completely in the right and idra is completely in the wrong is a very swayed view. And your post is very angry, chill out and think.
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IMO they're both pretty immature. IdrA is more eloquent and english is naniwa's second language - so i think sometimes people give IdrA more credit than he deserves because he sounds more intelligent even though he's still pretty immature. Remember when he told all his tweeter mob to pm Chill?
This whole showmatch started with IdrA overreacting to what seems to me (and I think I'm pretty rational / level-headed) to be an innocent naniwa comment. He called naniwa's pvz fucking awful - said he would love to do the showmatch - then dodges and ignores naniwa until publicly threatening to knock him out via Twitter.
Was naniwa being a prick? Ya, at least he was being somewhat dickish. But idrA's actions in all of SC2 don't show much more maturity or class
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How was naniwa being a prick? He had no idea that Idra had changed his mind, because Idra hadn't informed him. He just said nothing. So to say that Naniwa was being a prick is fucking ludicrous. He had a showmatch locked that he was obviously excited to play, and tried to get the date set on it. Idra responded by threatening him with physical violence.
To say that Nani was being a dick is silly. He didn't spam idra with tweets, like some are saying.
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Actually yes, he does need to explain why he's not playing him right now. He gave his word, and should stand by it. If he is UNABLE to stand by his word, then he should explain so to the person he gave his word to.
Idra didn't do anything of that. He just remained silent, basically trying to evade it completely, like the little rat he is. No honor at all. So him getting all annoyed at Nani is a fucking joke tbh.
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It's funny because the exact same thing happened between Naniwa and Stephano: Naniwa and Stephano bashed themselves on twitter in a funny way and they wanted to organize a show-match. In the end the show-match will not be (because Stephano declined without any true explication).
The difference? Stephano is not a huge moron like Idra which insults everyone and talks about other's girlfriends on interviews...
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Naniwa had a girlfriend? whatta fucking pimp! swedish chicks are hot
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Your requirements for being a pimp are rather low
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Idra was not talking about Naniwa's girlfriend. He was talking about Naniwa's treatment of his girlfriend. What does that have to do with anything? My point was that Naniwa was being immature as well and isn't completely in the right. Please actually address my post if you want to respond. Thanks.
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Wtf? You just stole my comment word for word from another thread. It's not that hard to put into words what you yourself feel. I'm not sure if I'm flattered or annoyed.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/uh9jx/naniwas_opinion_on_jps_show_real_talk/c4vfotn
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ROFL. Straight copy-paste. I can't believe he actually did that...
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Yeah, what an ass. Atleast have the decency to put quote marks on it, or link to my comment instead of basically "claiming" it as your own.
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So angry!
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Finefleur, a paragon of decency who can judge that of others.
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Um, I'm not saying what Idra did was right, I'm just saying that you're twisting a story and you sound like crying teenager. If you're going to say why you hate a person, at least present the evidence objectively.
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Idra explained publicly on many occasions why he wasn't in the form to play. Naniwa kept harassing him PUBLICLY on twitter. That'd be annoying as fuck especially when Idra's in a state where a sport psychologist is required. Maybe Idra should not have agreed to the showmatch, but Naniwa is certainly being a dick about it when he knows Idra has more important shit to deal with. The show match is nothing more than Naniwa wanting to kick Idra while he's down.
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HE THREATENED WITH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE...
OMG....HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO GET UP FROM HIS COMPUTER AND USE HIS FISTS.....tres sauvage
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You speak as though "his word" is a binding legal contract. They are both kids. Kids talk shit to each other all the time.
I also back NaNi on this but go easy on the hyperbole, it is just a schoolyard spat.
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Both are 20+. You can claim you meant mental age if you want.
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I am aware of their ages. I do not think that people are really grown up until long past 20 years old. I felt like I knew everything about the world at that age, but many years later I realize that no, I really didn't. A 20 year old can vote, reproduce and in many countries drink. They are not however grown up, and when each of you age, you will come to understand this.
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Seriously, Idra is a fucking dickweed. Not only that but he is terrible at Starcraft. The only reason he gets paid to be on EG is because he goes on all these talkshows to draw attention to himself and thus his sponsors. It's a fucking disgrace to the word 'pro-gamer' that he gets paid what he does while there are players 50x his skill who don't even have a salary.
Then he has the fucking nerve to publicly talk shit about Naniwa, someone who works harder than any foreigner and most koreans to earn his salary (and probably gets paid a lot less than Idra) and threatens to kill him?
Nothing would be better for this scene than skill-less leeches like Idra just disappearing.
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I assimilate Idra to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the SCII scene:
Is weak, trashtalks everywhere for attention whoring, is violent and racist, cries all day long on how strong others' weapons are, uses disinformation for is own profit, has some fanatic retards as fans... the analogy can continue for a long time.
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IdrA is trying to keep his personal life of the internet, but he is going through personal problems with his family at the moment. He can take back his offer for a showmatch at any point he pleases.
If he explained why to NaNiwa, then everyone in the sc2 community (particularly reddit) would know his business, which is not what he wants.
Your insults are uncalled for.
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Don't know why you're getting downvoted, other than by reddit troglodytes who think that sc2 pros don't deserve privacy. When the fuck did r/starcraft become the goddamn TMZ of esports?
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I don't mind the loss in karma, but it disturbs me a post calling someone a cunt is getting upvotes, especially when in the next comment FineFleur does he calls IdrA out for being sexist.
I'm going back to exclusively TL for a bit.
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IdrA explained it wasn't a good moment to do it for personal reasons.
IdrA has the right to not play the showmatch while Naniwa doesn't have the right to harass him.
And stop saying "he gave his word" like it's a big deal. They just made a couple of posts on TL about it.
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Yeah but : IdrA has the right to insult everyone everywhere every-time (including is own fan on his stream). Idra has the right to shit on players with skills (a lot more skills than Idra will never have). Idra has the right to whine on every unit of the game like a baby, even if he's at the Incontrol level. Idra has the right of being racist and sexist on stream and on ladder. Idra has the right to threaten with physical violence.
And Naniwa doesn't have the right to ask him something twice on Twitter. You are kidding, right?
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Don't forget IdrA has the right to be homophobic on stream as well.
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Don't forget xenophobic.
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All the world is a stage...
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Go on.
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no, he's not. I just wish this coommunity was less like a heard of sheep. :-/
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And more like a herd of dachshund!
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Idra doesn't have the right to respond with a threat of violence. That you didn't mention it is some bullshit.
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You do realize our entire Esports scene runs on trust of someones words. There are very few contracts that actually bind stuff down.
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So much drama but I guess it's time for Nani to get his revenge at Idra :)
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Idra fanbois don't seem to like this hmmmm
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Idra is one of my favourite players but I would dramagasm if this happened.
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Can't really see what he would say about IdrA tho.. so much about IdrA is public knowledge already.
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Sorry but I get as you are saying that Idra can do what ever he likes, if Naniwa do that you can only hate him...? Sorry again but Idra did step over the line when he started talking about Naniwas girlfriend, ex teams and threaten him.
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Yeah but He'S THE GRACKEN XDDDD
How can someone like this piece of shit? He's bad at the game. He's not funny. He's a very bad person. He cries every-time like a little girl. He's racist and sexist... He's the worse person on SCII, easily.
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Or he (Naniwa) can just defend himself.
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Yeah, but seeing how almost all of his latest tweets have been taunts at IdrA for what he say, I think Naniwa just really wants to shittalk IdrA; which he will do one way or another unless Quantic can shut him up.
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He could just list Idra's record for the past year in a neutral monotone, and still burn him.
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Well, in my opinion it is only fair. IdrA got his chance to tell his side of the story, now it is NaNiwas turn.
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QuanticNaNi:
[2012/06/03][12:02:30]
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Naniwa used to be my favourite player but he's too much of a twitter warrior, he's just gonna ruin himself.
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He does have a bit of a "me vs the world" complex.
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Excluding the fan base, it seems like most of the scene has some kind of problem with him. No offense, I love him, I'm just saying that his "complex" perhaps derive from truth rather than delusion.
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Kind of a chicken and egg thing. He acts up because scene dislikes him, scene dislikes him because he acts up. I used to really root for him as a leading foreigner, but not anymore
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Agreed. Someone's gotta intervene before he drives himself into a wall. Following his twitter makes me feel like I'm at home following an annoying younger brother
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There are some college and professional sports teams that actually have rules about Twitter use (ie don't use it or be responsible for what you post). This whole thing kind of explains why that is lol
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hes being cheeky.. i will love to see his loser face when he loses
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I wouldn't blame JP for refusing. The only reason Naniwa wants to go on is to BM other people in Esports, not to talk about his life which the show is about.
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I'd say that JP pretty much invited him to the show with their last twitter exchange. So I would blame him. Don't say stuff that you're not prepared to back up.
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JP invited him, and then Naniwa completely fucked the invite by saying something retarded. If I were JP I wouldn't let Naniwa on after that conspiracy remark.
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Shouldn't that be in the invitation then. "You're welcome on to the show - if you promise not to say X".
And JP invited Naniwa as a respons to "I wonder who you will shittalk next" (paraphrased). Inviting someone after that remark, to me, is the same as saying "if you have someone you'd like to shit talk, welcome to my show". You can't take that back only because Naniwa says "well you would edit out my shit talk anyway" (again, paraphrased).
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If JP wants to so the show with him then fair enough, it's his show, and I'm sure he'll get a ton of views on it. I just think it's only going to cause more issues and BM because of it and think it would be far better just to forget about all of it and move on.
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I just think it's only going to cause more issues and BM [...]
Well, then he shouldn't have invited him. You're arguing that inviting him was a bad decision. I never said otherwise. What I did say was that now that Naniwa is invited, I would blame JP for backing out.
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Who gives a shit? Most of the people want more issues and BM. Naniwa and Idra are both big boys now.
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I'm not arguing at all. I completely agree with what you've said..?? That's not the issue anyways and JP wasn't even meant to be the focus of any of this. Anyway, enough of this talk. It's all just bad drama, no need to think about it any more.
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Like Idra did?
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No, I doubt Idra even thought about Naniwa before the show. Naniwa is going on the show because of Idra. Big difference. And BTW I hate some of the crap Idra says a lot of the time, so don't mistake me for some Idra fanboy type. I'm just stating what has happened and what naniwa wants to happen judging by this and other tweets.
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Ofc, he got to talk out about all the shit Idra threw at him. What did you expect?
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That's exactly what I do expect, which is exactly what my original post said. Which is exactly why I wouldn't blame JP for refusing. Which is exactly why I think it's all a bad idea. Exactly.
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That's not the point of the show.
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I expect him to be asked about it, answer it, then move on. It's not a big deal.
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Why can't he just take a hint instead?
Regardless of how amazing he is as a player, how committed he is and how high his ambitions are, his history is so full of him being a dick (I get the impression that's the best word to describe him) that at some point it HAS to get back to him.
Come to think of it... it already has come back to him hard, multiple times (banning from WC3 tournaments, the probe rush incident, being kicked off teams left and right...) and the message still doesn't fucking penetrate.
This isn't the first time his personality has been called out, it won't be the last, so instead of going on this tirade of defending himself he'd do better actually shaping up.
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I want to hear him try to defend himself. Idra used harsh terms to describe Nani but he also had a shit load of anecdotal stories to go with it. I would be interested in hearing Nani's side of the story, or if there even is another side and he's not just trying to punk JP with a 5 minute interview with him cussing out Idra and making a fool of himself.
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Fuck me. This is better than Britney Spears, Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan all coming together to form a human centipede of fail.
Cannot fucking wait.
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please happen
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everything nani says makes it seem like hes a little girl, this drama is childish
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He has been called a sociopath & a terrible human being by Idra and the EG clan on multiple occasions, is he supposed to just roll with punches? Turn the other cheek?
In my view, it is completely out of line to have that kind of trash-talking on a show in the first place, especially as it went unopposed by the host. If the show is about real talk, then how come JP didn't bring up the problematic behavior of Idra as he went on his 5 minute diatribe on the horrors of naniwa? Giggling doesn't cut it.
It's a direct and public assault on his person by some of the biggest and most powerful figures in the scene. I'm amazed there isn't more of an outcry over just how out of line it is.
To be sure, naniwa acts like an idiot and gives the impression of being a somewhat unhappy person who at times turns his anger towards others. Not so different from Idra, I would say. Yet I don't see how it justifies this kind of prosecution and bullying.
All in all a pretty hideous display all around.
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yet IdrA is worshipped around here, lol...
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Hardly. Hating on IdrA is like r/starcraft's favorite pastime.
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Yeah since he has been losing everything lately his fanboyism went downhill fast.
You got downvoted, because people are pretending that right now r/starcraft loves idra and hates naniwa so that they can go "aww poor bullied naniwa". It is just funny since in reality it is the opposite.
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Did you miss the week long circlejerk about Idra six pooling twice in a showmatch?
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*twice in 2 different showmatches
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By who? Idra's a jackass who is only slightly better adjusted socially.
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I really hope Naniwa pulls a fast one and is just respectful toward everyone.
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JP is gonna refuse and Naniwa is gonna continue to talk shit on twitter. There you go, I just predicted the future.
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Whats the context to this? Havent been on in a while.
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Idra called for a match against Naniwa, Naniwa goes on twitter to get Idra to do it with him, Idra threaten Naniwa to stop tweeting him to show match or he will fuck him up. JP do a show called Real Talk, Idra was a guest and shit talked Naniwa.
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JP started a new show called Real Talk and IdrA as one of the guests shit talked Naniwa.
Now Naniwa is coming to get his revenge.
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Meanwhile, Quantic management shiver in fear.
And JP giggles from all of the viewers he will have for the shit Naniwa will say.
JP's eyes right now are $.$ , the only way I see that this wouldn't go down would be if Nani had dirt on MLG.
I don't think he doing Real Talk for the money... But there's definitely a lot of community interest in a Naniwa interview.
I guess maybe if there are adds? Yeah but diablo1plus2 is just that part of the community that is all 'omg everyone doing stuff for the community is cashing in!!1!' so... yeah. Can't imagine real talk is bankrolling JP's gold plated underwear.
-twitch-
EDIT: In all seriousness though, I really do think that NaNiwa should be able to speak his mind about this subject. Given how JP has handled himself in this (and previous situations), I would prefer someone more impartial. A Diggity or a Crota would be great choices for a sit down interview with NaNiwa.
JP has shown himself to be a very good interview, and I think he will have no problem being impartial. If you listen to the interviews he have had they are him asking a questions and the other people talking, it is not a typical conversation.
I think the point LacksIdentity is getting at is that he doesn't throw enough hardballs at the people he interviews and he backs down without a fight if someone is uncomfortable about a quest he is asking. While this is good in the long run for him since it allows JP to develop a better rapport with his guests, it leaves for less than optimal interview sessions.
Ironically...THAT is what impartial is.
People don't want impartial really, they actually want 'adversarial' where the interviewer takes the opposing side and challenges the person's answers.
the thing is, while I LOVE sotg for example, jp has this nice EG/MLG american circlejerk going and that's why they let Idra talk shit about nani without a reprieve.
So I think giving naniwa a chance to actually voice his opinion about the whole issue and leaving jp and his budies no chance to ignore it.
I am so sorry.
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I <3 Diggity and would love to see him do every interview on every show...
i would rip my ears off if i hear Crota do a sit down with Naniwa
... Why's that?
He talks like Porky Pig
Me too
Partial? What's a partial person going to do differently? This isn't foxnews where JP is just going to cut off his mic whenever he starts saying something JP doesn't agree with. JP isn't going to edit out segments that make MLG look bad (could you imagine the shitstorm if naniwa starts tweeting about unaired segments that were edited out?)
He just did a 3 hour interview with 2GD. If Naniwa can't find time in that long of an interview to speak his mind fully, openly, and candidly, then he's more of an asperger kid than I previously gave him credit for.
And sure, JP is going to ask 'tough' questions: but those questions are the only reason anyone wants to watch the damn thing in the first place. If it's another puff piece about him, no one will care.
If I were you, I'd be more concerned with prepping that anti-social piece of shit before going on to such an long interview so as to not ruin his and your branding than calling for relatively unknown and 'impartial' interviewers. He's already toxic as all hell and relatively dangerous -- unless you really don't care about your image anymore.