Zero Punctuation: Guitar Hero World Tour
escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctua...Posted Nov 26, 2008, 5:01 PM UTC
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anyone notice the Deus Ex sing-a-long at the end?
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Yes, and I loved it.
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Yes, and it remind me that the franchise is now going to suffer a third installment that has gone so far away from the perfection of the original <tear>
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I don't understand why you're being downmodded. Here's a few gems from the developers of Deus Ex 3:
This said, they are doing their utmost to please newcomers as well as existing fans. Perhaps controversially this time around combat won't be influenced by stats, but will rely purely on your personal marksmanship skills. Instead stats will influence "a vast array of fully upgradeable and customisable weapons", and you'll be able to tailor your arsenal to your play style with mag upgrades, scopes and other add-ons.
What's more, stealth will now rely on a cover system rather than shadows, and damage will be dealt with by a very Call of Duty-style auto-heal. There's probably going to be some debate over those two.
from here
And even better:
In an interview with Edge magazine, published tomorrow, Dugas says the original Deus Ex was “kind of slow”. He added, “There weren’t enough exciting, memorable moments. It was aimed more towards a simulation rather than a game experience.”
from here. Jean-Francois Dugas is the lead game designer for Deus Ex 3 and he thinks there were no memorable moments in the first one...
The game is going to blow. That is the only possibility. At best it'll be a Fallout 3 situation in which it's not as good as its namesake but is an okay game when taken by itself.
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Oh God. I'd been keeping myself purposefully ignorant of DX3 news because of crap like this.
I didn't want to know.
I DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW!
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....bastards.
Still, I'm going to buy it. I have to, it's a done deal. I made the promise after finishing the original for the 70th time or so, that I would honour it's name by purchasing all of it's begotten children.
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Yes - fantastic..
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best part of the video imho. i love that tune.
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I saw that too!
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I saw that too. It was near the end.
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When. The. Fuck. Is. One. Of. These. Games. Going. To. Feature. Stairway. To. Heaven.
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When what remains of Led Zeppelin feels that it's more important to share a hallmark of music history with a younger generation and expose them to a style and sound that isn't very (if at all) prevalent today then it is to make millions of dollars on top of the millions already made.
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wait, not licensing your shit for a video game is now considered selling out?
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I believe the problem isn't whether they're willing to license it, just that they're being greedy assholes and want exorbitant rates.
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I thought it was just the fact that they fucking hate the song that turned them from rock and metal pioneers into starry-eyed folk-singing hippies in the view of the history books.
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And why don't they feature Queen?
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Killer Queen was in the original Guitar Hero.
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I saw that too! It was near the end.
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YAHTZEE IS FUNNY. I'LL BET HE GETS WOMEN WITH HIS ZING CRAFTING ABILITIES.
YAHTZEE HAS EASTER EGGS AT THE END OF HIS BITS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE A BIT EASY TO FIND BUT THEY AREN'T TOO EXCITING BUT I LIKE THEM.
[I'll take my satire elsewhere then]
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He was quoting the snippet that Yahtzee included at the end of the video, you twat.
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I guess he's not a real fan and didn't watch all the way to the end. Lets point and laugh at him!
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What's the point of commenting when you don't actually watch the video the link goes to?
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What amazes me is how GH4 seems to be such a downgrade for GH3. It's in the little things, really. UI stuff. It now takes about 30 seconds to restart a song, whereas it took only a few in 3. When you are playing extremely difficult songs and trying to just make it through the intro that starts mattering quite fast. And the list to view songs with is terrible. Incredibly hard to read, and it no longer displays your star count next to the songs unless you highlight them. Ugh. So much for 5 starring everything.
And the career mode is annoying. What if I don't want to play the whole set through in one shot? I'm screwed.
Oh and by far the worst, the multiplayer for just guitar head to head. Ugh! So now instead of each picking three songs up front and then going straight through (or two or one if you prefer), it picks a random person to pick a single song, you play it, and then it goes back to the song screen. Every single time! And it takes a good 30 seconds to load that one, too, and then you need to wait for them to pick a song again, etc. Annoying as fuck. I don't bother playing online anymore, as there is significantly more time spent waiting around for stuff than there is actually playing.
People will dismiss this as petty shit, but when you're playing, it's amazing how much the petty shit matters.
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One thing I will give to them is the countdown from when you come back from paused is awesome. And I like the new mechanics as well with the hold notes + other notes while you hold, and the purple thing can be a little fun as well, though I'm using my old GH3 controller because the new one is crap.
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The combo, star power, and rock meters are all thrown across the screen. I have trouble knowing when I'm failing or not. I never know when star power is available in a band. I never know when my bandmates are failing. If one band mate fails everyone fails.
And yet they still have this retarded band rock meter up on the corner, when it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. If one band member failing causes everyone to, then why even fucking have a full band rock meter. have it mirror the lowest person so you know if you have to save people or not.
It's such a downgrade from Rockband's UI. Rockband has the notes, the combo, the star power and whether you are going to fail or not all in the same place.
The new guitar is fine, except for that fucking touch pad, which can ONLY be used for the special sections. And if you even hit it any other time you lose your combo and it counts as a overstrum. Why the hell can't you play it normally? that would make sense! the only purpose of it is to play it during the weird sections, and thats a total of about .1% of the game. Goodjob activision, you've created a quite expensive feature (considering all the guitars that will be bought and the cost of adding all that stuff) that can ONLY be used .1 percent of the time in game
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What if I don't want to play the whole set through in one shot? I'm screwed.
No you're not, you can quit any time and when you go back you can pick up the set from where you left off.
But, overall I agree with you. The biggest problem with the game (to me) is that Neversoft seems scared as shit to make it their own. They are still going off of the groundwork laid by Harmonix last gen. Meanwhile, Harmonix have at least made some substantial changes. But Guitar Hero still has shit models and textures, a shit crowd, a shit, worn-out UI when at least two other rhythm games have demonstrated ways to improve it.
Part of me thinks it's because Activision doesn't want to turn off the Guitar Hero fans who have stuck with it, but everybody knows Harmonix aren't doing these anymore, so go ahead and make the radical changes. We know Neversoft isn't a bad developer, but GH3 and World Tour both come off as if they were designing a game with specific things they weren't allowed to change if they even wanted to. Activision and/or Neversoft need to grow balls and take some chances; that's the only way they can outshine Rock Band.
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I actually disagree with you about moving the franchise forward. I think GH3 was almost all any rhythm game could hope to be. All these steps that are considered moving forward are dragging it down IMO. I don't want to see another Tony Hawk style disaster. Most people agree that that game hit gold by 4 (some say 3), and that every game afterwords got progressively worse in the name of "features" until it got to the unplayable state its in today. I could see the same thing happening with the GH franchise, with all the focus going to extra BS while the core GAME that everyone loved so much is progressively destroyed.
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It now takes about 30 seconds to restart a song, whereas it took only a few in 3.
I always thought the restart times were ridiculously long ... especially for practice sessions.
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Anybody here have a similarly-written critique of rockband2? i'd love to hear it. Not sure which to buy.
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If you don't care about the way the UI and character models look, then I'd say it all comes down to which game has the most songs you like. It's also worth taking into account that most of the songs from RB1 can be imported in RB2 which adds lots of "free" content.
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What about the instruments themselves?
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Frankly they all seem fine unless you catch a lemon (which seems to happen a lot with the GHWT drums). I personally don't like the drum setup of GHWT, but it's only because I'm used to the RB one. I probably wouldn't mind it if I hadn't played RB before.
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If you play guitar, my initial bad impressions of the GH4 slide section seem to be confirmed by both Yahtzee and other redditors. It's simply too hard to jump to without looking. Also, you don't seem to be able to play notes on it outside of the specifically designated sections, whereas on the RB1&2 guitars you can play the whole song with the solo notes, which I do most of the time.
If you don't play a lot of guitar at a high level of difficulty, though, it's probably a tossup. And you can use Rock Band guitars with GH4 and vice versa, or so I'm told.
For drums, I agree with giga. I dislike the layout, but that's likely because I started on RB1.
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Rock Band 2 suffers from only one of the mentioned problems, and that is the difficulty of seeing how many stars you've gotten on a song. I'm trying to gold-star everything, but when you're in quickplay it just shows your best score. You can see star counts in World Tour, but then you have to hunt down the venue that has the song you're looking for as an individual song, and not part of a playlist.
Beyond that little nitpick, everythings fundamentally identical to RB1, or an improvement. The drum trainer is a nice addition, as are the challenges and Battle of the Bands.
If you've played both RB1 and GH3, pick the one you like, but it sounds like RB2 is more of an improvement in it's series. I prefer RB to GH, but that's just me.
Oh, and I haven't used the song creation stuff in GH, but I suppose it is a point in its favor.
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From everything I've heard from friends, Rockband 2 is far better than GH4.
Any input?
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The songs in World Tour are better, but Rock Band 2 has superior gameplay and actually has a sense of accomplishment as you complete gigs.
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I'd say that's up to personal taste. There is quite a bit of overlap in the songs, too.
In addition, Rock Band 2 has had more, and more consistent, DLC. Say what you will about paying for content, but having access to more content is very, very important in the months after a game has been released.
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For me, I like RB2 songs better. Plus RB2 has a much better UI. The biggest gripe I have about GH is the bar that tells you how well each person is doing. It's way out in the corner and painfully tiny. Utterly useless. So much easier to gauge stats during a game in RB. Also the way solos are done in RB are better than GH, the graphics are clean and simple in RB, but look poorly done with some odd 80's neon effects. This also depends on the person, but I like the hardware of RB more than GH. (I haven't played with RB2 controllers yet however.) To me, the large hollow sounding GH drum kit seems way too large, and a bit childish. I do like the nice rebound it has when playing. I don't like the PVC tubing supports. For the guitars, I like the soft strum bar and the smooth frets. Then again, some of my friends like it the other way around. Also the RB guitars have a cheaper soft plastic feel to it.
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I haven't played world tour yet but if you want some anecdotal evidence everyone I know who has played both preferred Rockband 2.
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RB2 is way too easy, even on the hardest setting. For those that have wasted enough time with guitar games, the challenge of GH is nice.
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Then go with the DL content. I found a lot of challenging songs there. And drums. Dear god drums.
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I find little challenge and little joy in playing the drums. I play set for real. And playing these things on GH or RB is so incredibly constrained and frustrating, it's not even worth it. I can play them as you hear them in real life.
As for DL content, I still don't think they are that hard, but more importantly, $2 extra per song? I prefer to have what I got with the game I paid for be challenging rather than having to blow more money on it. I don't waste more money on songs unless I really, really want them.
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I play set for real. And playing these things on GH or RB is so incredibly constrained and frustrating, it's not even worth it.
Then why do you fucking own the fucking games? That doesn't make any sense.
As for DL content, I still don't think they are that hard, but more importantly, $2 extra per song?
Tracking the songs takes a bit of work. Yes it could be lower but remember you how much entertainment you can get out of the $2 in the future.
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Actually, they may have actually taken a step back in terms of difficulty with WT. Compare WT's version of Ramblin Man to RB2's version of it.
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err, was that supposed to convince me of something? Because the GH solo was a good bit more difficult than the RB one. The main section is so damn easy on either it hardly matters, but what the GH lacks in extra notes (that aren't actually played in the song, mind you), it makes up in more difficult fingering.
That's all useless anyway, though, as that song is still child's play. RB does not have the extreme difficulty songs that GH has that many of us are looking for. That's what I'm referring too when I talk about difficulty.
edit: and here's the one you didn't bother posting because it completely invalidated your point
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Uh, have you actually played the two games? GH3 definitely had hard (overcharted) songs. GH:WT, not so much. Compare WT's hardest songs to Visions and Panic Attack.
Edit: Why are you even arguing with me? All of your other comments are about how you think WT is not as good as GH3. Also, the BYOB song is charted pretty much the same.
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That may be true, but pretty much all the reviews are in agreement that the GH:WT drums and guitar are better than the RB2 drums and guitar.
So it probably makes sense to get the GH:WT band pack and RB2
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The Deus Ex song was dead on.
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Yeah, that was awesome.
Shame about the rest of it, why can't he review some interesting games?
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Did her really need to review this? There's much better games to review right now.
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I'm waiting for the left 4 dead review.
On the other hand if he continues his current trend of reviewing games in entirely the wrong context we could be in for 10 minutes full of variations on "It's short and the single player isn't very good".
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I dunno man. Yahtzee's got a hard-on for Valve.
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Don't we all.
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that would be because valve is sexy
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Yeah, I hate when he can't give a decent review because he hates the genre. There were plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Soul Calibur IV, but he mostly complained about how he dislikes fighting games. Oh well.
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I was pretty unhappy with Left 4 Dead for the 360, but that's because I had misconceptions about it going into it. Also, does anyone else think L4D looks terrible on the 360? I've seen better graphics on the Wii, and -certainly- on 360 games like Gears of War 1-2.
I was hoping for a better single player or co-op (in person friend) experience, and Left 4 Dead is really an online game. The "campaign" (which isn't a campaign) is rather terrible, uninteresting, repetitive, and completely devoid of any worthwhile story.
Like I said, I was hoping for a different game than it was, so I can't fault it entirely, but I am having MUCH MUCH more fun with Gears of War 2.
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Your opinion of Left4Dead is invalid purely because you played it on the 360. That isn't to say your points aren't valid with the PC Version, it's just to say that we're all arseholes here and FIRST-PERSON SHOOTERS SHOULD NEVER BE PLAYED ON A FUCKING CONSOLE.
That is all.
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Worse than the Wii graphics? Thats where I decided your opinion is invalid.
And this is coming from someone who has both a 360 and Wii and uses both frequently.
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No, I said I've seen better graphics on the Wii, not all Wii games.
Metroid, for example, has noticeably better graphics than L4D 360 version. Not all Wii games are made equal in terms of graphics.
I'd like to say I'm surprised for being voted down, but it's usual groupthink on Reddit. Everyone here loves L4D, and I'm NOT saying it's a bad game, just not what I wanted. All people read is "I was unhappy with L4D" and vote down.
It was just a boring, easy, repetitive game FOR ME: sorry. I played on the hardest setting and just did not have fun.
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It's an okay game, but I hate fast-moving zombies. That, and a decent player can take on a horde of twenty zombies at once without losing more than 5% of their health. It just doesn't fit with my idea of how zombies are supposed to work. They are supposed to move slowly, and the fear is supposed to come from being trapped with no escape as they slowly tear through your barricades. Left 4 Dead feels more like superheroes pounding their way through a horde of minions than a zombie movie.
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You haven't seen many recent zombie movies have you. =(
Also, if you're only losing 5% health, you aren't playing on expert.
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I just prefer old-school Romero to new-school Romero, frankly. I've seen tons of zombie movies, and I think the ones with fast-moving zombies suck.
Simon Pegg sums it up better than I could.
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HAVE YOU PLAYED AS A TANK IN VERSUS!?
it had my heart beating like mad! i felt like a god! that experience was worth the £24. the caps was needed because it was AWESOME!
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Yeah, it's awesome, but it's not what I signed up for. To me, I shouldn't feel like a god when I play a horror game. I should feel like a tiny, frightened gnat in a world that is constantly out to devour me, and it is only by very clever play that I manage to escape with three of the limbs I came in with.
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That, and a decent player can take on a horde of twenty zombies at once without losing more than 5% of their health
In normal, maybe.
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The zombie damage heavily depends on the difficulty setting.
Easy: Zombies die when you hold your gun in their general direction and they hit you for 1% damage.
Expert: Zombies can take some more hits and you lose 20% health (<- not 100% sure about that).
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I object to the idea that you can get bitten by a zombie and keep on truckin', at all. Being bitten by a zombie should cause your teammates' eyes to widen, then everyone draws straws to determine who has to execute you before you turn.
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I was going to agree with everything that you have said (other than the game not being amazing) until I thought of the fact that it is source based and will have hundreds of mods.
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I am sure he'll do Gears of War 2 eventually. That's what i was hoping it would be this week.
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I hope you don't think that GoW2 is one of the better games around at the moment, or that Yahtzee is going to like it....
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i don't want his reviews because i want him to praise a game
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ALSO SOME KINKS WOULD BE SWEET
Yes, yes it would. I love ZP.
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That point about MIDI renditions of the Eva theme...he knows us well.
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I have been less and less amused with ZP reviews as time goes on, but this has to be the worst yet.
But the Deus Ex song at the end totally made up for it.
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Agreed, this review was lacking. Though i think his previous reviews have been awesome. just this one was a bit off.
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We need classical orchestra hero.
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I hear you and agree.
Although I'd like to see them work out the technicalities of 128 person MP playing Mahlers 2nd.
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Yeah, when I heard that I was like, 'Sweet! Do want now!'. (Except not really cz I don't talk like that.)
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this particular one was uninteresting, unfunny, and unhelpful. Fail all around.
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Q. Has anyone ordered a ZP t-shirt and lives in Australia??? If so, how long did it take for it to arrive???
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Q. Why the fuck would you order a zero punctuation t-shirt?
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A. Cause I fucking want one...
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Too fucking right... But I'm puzzled as to why you would care...
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As an Australian Guitar Heroist I strongly agree with his stance on harmonix fuck them, fuck them in there stupid asses for that shit A WHOLE YEAR it was like having luke warm buckets of piss thrown in my face for that entire time.
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Nay-on Gen-is-is Ee-van-gelly-on
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It's zero punctuation, but there's punctuation in the title. hahaha, im so original.
Every time I read this post I hear a backing choir of angels enhancing every last syllable until I have tears of joy in my eyes.
This is really quite interesting. If you follow the logic of the voting trends on your comments it lends to the theory that if you are scorned for doing something annoying at first, you simply need to continue doing it for a some certain period of time before you start to gain praise. It's a strange sort of anti-logic.
Fascinating stuff.
That trend is the cornerstone of all internet behavior.
LURK MOAR.
I see what you did there...
I hate myself for knowing this but it's called a forced meme.
offline its known as 'tradition'.
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Why's that?
31 letters left, thus 31 weeks remaining. Therefore on July 1st he'll have used up all the letters from the original post. Therefore on the 8th...
He could link 6 more videos in the punctuation.
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You're such a dildo, faggins.
Nerds.
lolwut
Downmod out of respect.
What are you going to do when you run out of letters to link?
You are my hero.
you're a hasbeen jdfong. you sucked, then you were funny, and now there is a cliff. fucker.