IAmA fella getting sentenced to Federal Prison in less than 48 Hrs. I am facing 10 years. AMA.
tl;dr I fucked up. Now facing a shit load of time in Federal Prison. AUSA is refusing to allow a safety valve, arguing that because I didn't turn anybody else in, I didn't cooperate, and therefore don't qualify. Without the Safety Valve, my crime is a criminal Offense level 32. 121 months. In 48 hours (Wed.) I'll go before a Federal Judge, and he will decide what to do with me. Ask Me Anything.
My intention for this AMA is 2 fold. Obviously, bricks are being shat. I can't sleep. I can't eat. I am paralyzed with the thought of not not being free again until I am 40. I'm hoping that getting some of this off my chest will be therapeutic in helping me deal with that. I'm also hoping to provide a little perspective to some of the chaos other Redditors may be going through right now.
With the help of Reddit, in particular klienbl00, I'm gonna try to document this journey with my ink pen, and a knack for the scribble scrabble. I'll be doing my best to post weekly updates while incarcerated, on an art blog that was setup by other fellow Redditors, Here... Lemonade out of Lemons so to speak.
Any Mods can PM me for proof with which to Gold Star this bastard...
EDIT: SENTENCING UPDATE
Posted Jun 21, 2010, 2:19 PM UTC · edited
So, what're you in for?
Possession with Intent to Distribute, 7.6 Kilograms of Cocaine.
A friend of mine ended up getting caught with about 5kg when he went on a little 'paid holiday' to be someone else's mule. This was in South Africa. They gave him 10 years, he served 6, and he would have gotten out earlier on good behaviour but it seems like the prison liked the 'favours' from his parents too much that they didn't want to lose him. Anyway, it sucked as it is supposed to, but it seems like he had a better time establishing himself in a full time prison than during his holding period before bail, and managed to get himself transferred to a prison closer to his family and further away from the big city which helped.
He made the most of it though, managed to study to postgrad level with very good marks, since he had nothing better to do. He read a lot and studied IT related subjects, so he had access to a computer but wasn't allowed net access. I was always amazed when I visited him that he knew more about mobile phones than I did and he probably only managed to touch a phone secretly in prison for about 6 weeks of his time there. He also stayed in good shape. It took him 2 years to adjust after coming out but he's done like a zillion things since, making the most of it. One was setting up a business, doing well for 2 years, then not staying on top of things and going under. He has no problems with actually being able to get the business going, it was the day to day administration that he couldn't stay on top of because the world was full of other interesting stuff to distract him with.
Think of it this way. When getting out at the end of 10 years you'll probably be a lot healthier from exercise and limited access to substances than having been in, and not bad looking unless you've been scarred or gone all tattoo. You'll probably have at least a degree behind your name or beyond a masters. Being male you'll still be able to get women up to 20 years younger and if you're lucky you'll still live until you're 100. You can still do business on the back of the knowledge you've gained while studying in prison. Many companies might not want to employ you for your record, but people aren't going care about your time inside when you're making something useful to sell to them.
See it like you've been given a 10 year project to make yourself a better human being. I think the sad thing about most people in prison is that they never felt like they had a chance even before they went there and that's what got them in there in the first place, and they don't think they'll have a chance once they get out again. If you thought like that before going in, being in there is not going to give that to you.
Youngluck, I know this is late so I hope you get to read this. I just observe.. never contribute, but I made an account just to reply to you.
I was setup by the OSI (military equivalent of FBI) and ratted on by my best friend for drug crimes. I awaited trial for 13 months before being sentenced to 6 months. I was facing 25 years for all my crimes. This was 6 years ago and I was 23. I served my time, never got raped nor beaten, finished a degree and nhave a great life and job.
I know what I served is a fraction of what you will do, but if I can impart some wisdom that will help you, than well, good.
First off, there are only two type of people you will meet in prison. Dudes that are career criminals and dudes that are not. You have to make a conscious decision to never return. It's not as simple as it sounds.. Odds are against you. Career criminals will be running shit in prison. Why? Because that's what they do.. their outside life is gone, all they have is on the inside. You will have to make friends with the career guys and play nice to survive but never forget .. YOU ARE NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL (this might make more sense to you after a few months).
You will be inundated with a slew on mini how-to workshops on how to commit any crime imaginable. Its kinda what George says in Blow, "I went in with a bachelors of marijuana, came out with a doctorate of cocaine."
I saw some of your drawings. They freaking rock. Seriously. Congratulations, you have a lucrative skill you can exchange for goods. I spent many a ramen (that was our currency, we couldn't smoke) on some crappy drawings for my girlfriend. Think about all the people in there with wives and kids, birthdays and anniversaries. You, my friend, need to exploit your skill.
What is you race? Unfortunately, there is violence in prison and many times it comes down to something as simple as being in the wrong skin at the wrong time. Choose your friends wisely. Stay away from the aggressive gangs, but don't shun them. You don't have to be someones bitch to get protected. Yes, it happens, but not if you are smart. Your artistic ability can be your golden ticket.
Do not let someone punk you. You are going to have to stand up for yourself, especially during your first few weeks. Think of it as the animal kingdom, everyone is trying to determine where you stand. People will attempt to display dominance on you. Don't give them a reason to. Sometimes they don't need a reason, that's why you need to get good friends, fast. But sometimes someone's going to test you, don't stand down. But don't be stupid about it either, if he has a shank, don't see if he will use it. Be ready to fight. 90% of the fights I witnessed never escalated into a physical fight, it's just a shouting match. Like I said, if you are prepared to fight, you've already won the respect. Just hope the guard will jump in before others do. Bumps and bruises. Sorry I don't mean to scare you, in all likelihood no one will fuck with you unless you give them a reason.. that's kinda prison code, but, even more so than real life, prison has its fair share of tools. Words that will cause a fight: bitch, punk, n*gger, fag. Don't use those words. Ever.
Ok, enough of that stuff. Now time to figure out how you are going to spend your time. Look at this like, you have 6 years to learn anything you want to learn. You don't have to do anything, or you can do everything. My advise to you: READ BOOKS. I read a book every 2 days. I went back to the classics and read autobiographies. My interest was in Finance and Business so I got my parents to send me books on those subjects. Mix up fiction and non-fiction. I studied for the GRE and GMAT with those prop books. I made flash cards and memorized all the common SAT and GRE words. Don't let your brain relax .. always be learning. I went through one of those pocket dictionaries, circling words I liked or didn't hear often. 6 years is enough time to be a genius on many subjects. Make that your goal. Oh, check out some bible study classes for some solid entertainment..
Reading is good, but you can't do that all day. You need to workout. Find a workout partner that isn't crazy. 30-45 mins a day is plenty. Don't get all beefed up .. unless that's your style.. stay cut, stay sharp. Don't get tattoos. Yes, all the cool kids are doing it.. ok, if you get a tat, don't get one somewhere stupid, like on your neck or eye lids. Remember, you are not a career criminal.. most of the people you will meet in prison are.
You will also need to play the social game in prison, you can't work out and read all day. I mean you could, but you will come out a reclusive. I played cards. Spades mostly, kept my mind sharp and its fun to joke around with friends. Time flies when your having fun. Yes, you can have fun in prison. I also got into some pinochle, as I moved up the social ladder. Poker was good too, just don't get into any big betting games. Remember, these people are criminals, they will cheat when possible i.e marked decks. Don't make ANY bet (i don't care if you have a full house) with currency you don't have. Also, Monopoly is the shit. My friends made it a ritual on holidays and birthdays.
The food will suck, I actually went on a no-carb diet my second half and got pretty ripped. Buy proteins and meat from your weekly canteen and barter for extra milks. Save candy and desserts for special occasions, like birthdays, Christmas, Thanksgiving.
Do you currently smoke? I would tell you not to smoke but 6 years in the slammer and I would probably take up smoking. Just try really hard to not get dependent on nicotine... social smoking if you will.
Being connected to the real world is critical for life after prison. Do you have a good relationship with your family? If you don't make your amends before you go. You are going to need family support and to send you books. Write them letters. Loved ones? That's tough for 6 years. Noot for you, but fr them. Understand if they can't stick it out.
I think keeping connected with reddit is a GREAT idea. Actually an ingenious idea. You could really move up high in the social ladder with this. For instance, you will probably run across some people with some incredible talents in drawing and writing. Offer to take some of the talent and send it to your reddit connect and scan them into the site. Giving someone a internet link to give to their 13 year old to find a pimp drawing for their birthday will be huge. Some of the lifers will think you are a magician from the future. But don't give away your service for free (except as a present for a close friend). Don't get taken advantage of. Don't let someone else make deals on your behalf. Figure out the value of your drawings and barter for yourself.
So that's it. If its any consolation to you, the 13 months before sentencing, walking around, pretending everything was alright was the worse part for me. The first morning of my first full day, I breathed a sigh of relief. The end was in sight. No more uncertainty. This is your punishment and you have to potential to become a genius.
ps- always wear flip flops in the shower.
I just saved this to my computer in case I ever have to go to prison. Thank you.
When I first got arrested, I spent 3 months at MDC before my pre-trial judge finally approved bail, after a second attempt. I just wanted to tell you, and anybody else reading this, that this advice is absolutely spot on. Amongst the countless tips advising to "protect your cornhole"... A jewel. Thank You.
Reminds me of a line from The Wire. "You only do 2 days: the day you go in and the day you get out."
How did that "o" move over like, 16 characters?
I'll back this statement up. Prison tattoos are a very common route for the transmission of Hepatitis C. Stay away!
All great advice. Just to add to this, try to get into some sort of a routine. Your life will kind've revolve around your meal times; set a routine each day like workout right before breakfast (where I went came at 4:30 am), sleep until lunch, eat lunch, read/sleep until dinner, eat dinner, read until night, play cards/socialize, read some more, workout and repeat. If you get going, the days will start flying by (the weekdays actually go extremely quick, while weekends strangely slow). Also, euchre is a great card game to play, and hopefully they have a chess board, as that is a great game to keep the mind sharp. A bit off topic, but a funny story about chess. Some guy comes in looking like he was having a terrible herion withdrawl, slept for 5 days straight, didn't come out from under his covers or move...not even for meals. I am playing chess with another cell mate and I beat him and say checkmate. The guy apparently heard me and slowly comes out to see light for the first time in literally 5 days. Walks over and asks if he can play me since I won. Six moves later, he has me in checkmate. Next game 9 moves. Game after, something like 15 moves. We played ten games and he beat me ten straight times. It was absurd. Granted I'm not a chess master, but I'm not a slouch either. Anyways, I start talking to the guy and apparently at one time he was a state/regional chess champion back in high school. You won't believe some of the people you'll meet in there. Good luck.
Holy fuck is that an awesome comment.
tl;dr: athlete's foot can be a bitch
If I were in your place, I'd probably have the worst time dealing with the fact that my best friend ratted me out.
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do an AMA.
Great comment but why the flip flops?
Funny, I'd give most of this advice to a kid going into boarding school..
"You need to workout. Find a workout partner that isn't crazy."
i love this line
When taking a shit, keep one leg out of your pants. You are vulnerable.
"Best of" link for those that want to save it.
Youngluck, post an address. I'll send some ramen and ish.
Wonderful advice. Nothing else really to add to this.
I just want to re-stress the important part about reading, seeking knowledge, and keeping your mind sharp. You have the privilege to be able to dedicate copious amounts of time to learning. USE it, you will come out a better person than you were previously.
If only I could upvote this more than once.
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I don't get how being artistic will give you any leeway in prison. I doubt many prisoners will want you to make them a Hallmark card? Instead couldn't he just draw cool stuff for people? Maybe even be a tattoo artist?
In advance, I am sorry for sounding extremely ignorant.
I can see how you came to identify with Ulysses. Thanks for a great comment. x
Wow... you should do more "guides" like that for various life situations. Such as what to do after college is finished (PhD how to choose...), or whatever.
But thx anyway, even if your advice here mostly doesn't apply to me.
Saving forever in the event of prison
This needs more upvotes. So much common sense and good advice!
Holy shit, that o jumped words in the sentence!
My opinion. I think this thread can be summed up by the this quote >just don't get into any big betting games. Remember, these people are criminals. There is something in this quote that I am sure someone here can interpret. I suspect most people go to prison due to faulty logic or information processing. I think people who go to prison define the world, nature, relationships, morals and values slightly differently than the rest of us. It is likely people will react to my quote by making statements about the corrupt system, "these people are innocent," America sends everyone to prison, laws are wrong, etc. However, rules are not kept secret. I am sure the OP knew trafficking in Coke was illegal. Being a mule? I was in college once and was asked numerous time to go on "trips" for people and I could make "a lot of cash." However, somehow I was able to divine that this was a bad idea. I believe there is something different about people who make decisions when they know there is a risk, and there is an alternative. Unfortunately we are inundated with information that tells us the opposite. I think people who process information differently from the average cannot tease out that information, which is why they end up going to prison, not as a criminal, but with a bunch of other criminals. Does anyone else see the faulty logic in that, or am I the only one. I know not everyone in prison is guilty, but the vast majority are.
Wow, that's priceless!
Sounds like great advice.
I'm probably either stupid or naive. Or both. Anyway... why?
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Noted! Thanks!
Were you at RAF Lakenheath? Story sounds familiar...
Did you go to military prison?
small world... I was setup by OSI too, and sentenced to a similar amount of time. Just wanted to mention that if you were arrested in the military, and got less than 12 months, you probably wont go to an actual prison. You will end up going to an on-base detention center. This is a world away from prison - better in some ways, worse in others.
Just wanted to comment, because if you got in trouble with the OSI, you probably went to a military confinement center, making lots of this advice moot for a civilian prison.
Better in that there is way less risk of assault, rape or other forms of physical abuse. Worse in that there are WAY more rules. For example, in military confinement/detention, you will be going through a boot-camp like experience, waking up early and working all day.
In prison/jail you will have a bit more freedom to sleep, read, smoke, watch tv when you want.
One more tip of advice/encouragement/?.. I'm pretty sure this is a quote from the Wire too: YOu only do two days in prison - the day you go in, and the day you come out. That's very true, in that the entire experience just feels like a very long, neverending day.
sperm surfers!
This goes for the Military as well. Just sayin.
A guy friend of mine went to prison for several years, when he got out he started telling me how the prison system really works. This is good advice! Another my friend said was that it was helpful, and beneficial to get a job. He stayed out of trouble so he could have a decent job, and worked his way up, without going too high and becoming a 'narc'.
Not so sure you're meant to
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I want to go to jail for like 3 months. I'll get ripped and smart.
Replying for no reason other than to save. Downvotes away!
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Your friend ought to do an AMA of his own.
My cousin was caught with about 6kg of heroin. He did 4 months. That's in ireland though. His sentance was 12 years but they suspended the sentance (ie let him out on probation just over 4 months later). He fucked up within a month, got another 5 years but was let out of prison again about 2 weeks later. Basically he now has about 10 years of probation left.
Prison sentances in ireland are very often a complete joke. They used to let the IRA guys out of prison so they could spend Xmas with their families.
How is prison in Ireland? I imagine instead of the bread and water in American prison (which is not what we really get), you guys would get whiskey and water.
Anyways, I was watching Locked Up, and they did a segment on European prisons. I have to say, prisons over there looked incredibly fun. One (I think it was Russia) had a pool, prisons were in and out of their cells as they liked, and we're able to raise Peacocks.
Yes! Study when you're inside. Do everything you can to springboard your education & certifications. You'll have nothing else to do. Dedicate as much time as possible to your future.
I'm not going to prison anytime soon (knock on wood), but you just made me feel so much hope for the future.
I have a legitimate question. Dead serious. Can this be done in american prisons? and is prison rape a huge problem in South Africa like it is here in the US.
Yes it is. You're almost guaranteed to face something like that when you go to prison. AIDS is also a massive problem there. You have to try find out in advance about what method applied to the prison to avoiding it. Some prisons you can get into with a bit of money on you, and you have to find a big scary looking guy immediately and pay him (not lots of money, the exchange rate in prison is great) to look out for you initially. Many of those people inside don't have friends and family bringing them stuff like money from the outside, so if you seem like you'll get more later they think longer term. You used to need about $200/month to be reasonably comfortable in an SA prison to get around bribes and favours.
I'd recommend that people going to prison request a copy of Neal Stephenson's Anathem as inspiration.
i really appreciate you're ability of seeing it the positive way.
you make a really fantastic point.
Wait, so, I'm 30. So I should be able to score a 10 year old!?
Candy and a van; Hello!
You make going to federal prison seem like a good thing.
You just made me feel good about going to prison, and I haven't even done anything. Great post kokey, you are a very optimistic fellow with great insight into what all of us are capable of.
What does that mean?
bribes and other things like buying them kitchen equipment and organising events.
Sounds like a resort, sign me up!
Cheer up dude. If you were in Malaysia you'd face mandatory death sentence (even with just 40gm).
EXACTLY! Someone always has it worse... I try to remember that.
That doesn't de-legitimize your suffering. Everyone is facing their own battles. By that rationale, no one should worry about their suffering because someone always has it worse.
In Portugal, you'd just get a few days and a fine.
Another thing to look forward to? The food in the fed. system is wayyyy fuckn better than county and city jails. Trust me, I've been to all three of them and can tell you right now they're all different breeds and by far federal was the best.
Hopefully you get some good cellys and remember to keep your house clean, memorize the rotation of everything and keep your head low. Youll be well read once you're released.
If he was in Malaysia he'd quietly pay his bribes and be out in time for dinner. If he was in Singapore he'd be in trouble though...
Hi. I'm in Malaysia right now. This is a funny coincidence.
I'm not a user of cocaine however I still feel humans have the right to do whatever substances that they decide they want to do. And if it wasn't for this unwinnable war on drugs, you'd just be paying tax to the government on your drug sales. It's pathetic.
Putting you behind bars just puts up drug prices and means some other poor shmuck will step up to the plate and take your place.
I'm 21 now. If you serve a full sentence (10 years) I'll be 31, and hopefully a decent game developer at a major studio (I'm lucky in that I have decent connections so I should reach my goal with relative ease). My promise to you is this; if I'm in a strong enough position in a studio I'll ensure our next title has a prison related theme and you'll be hired as a consultant. Fuck, even if I don't reach my goal, my bro is a big TV producer in the UK and my father has created a bunch of TV shows. I'll find someone who needs a consultant on the topics you know. That's a promise. PM me for my email address; I'll have it for the rest of my life (as I own my name as a .com domain).
That, and I'll buy you a beer. If beer is still legal by then.
Fuck this stupid war on drugs, and all the lives that are ruined by them. They should be rehabilitating you, not incarcerating you.
All the best.
Your bullshit is off putting.
Haha, a 21 year old that thinks he has the world by the balls and a rock-solid philosophy on how things should be? They're a dime a dozen.
You can't prove he is bull shitting anymore than he can prove he isn't. So whats the point?
Common be nice. He is just stoned
And when you are 41, you will feel somewhat embarrassed about all the bragging and big talk you dished out when you were 21. Hopefully you will succeed at some of your goals regardless.
When I'm 41 I'll be glad I didn't take a permanent xanax nap when I was 21.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctxLMTjS3HY
How selflessly self serving of you.
The hilariousness of this comment has got to be the replies. I've never seen so many jealous and sad individuals try to bring one guy down in such rapid succession. Fuck those guys, connections are EVERYTHING and it's why they don't have ANYTHING. Just don't fuck those opportunities up!
You're in a lucky spot but these guys could have had the same chance I doubt they know how to network for those opportunities.
Connections may bring you there, but it takes not fucking up to stay there. Connections aren't everything.
Confidence goes a long way. A little humility can help however.
Maybe if you suck his dick he'll hook you up with his connections.
im pretty sure he wasnt planning on using 16 pounds of coke. what kind of rehabilitating would he need?
Ah...to be young and full of shit again..
clearly you've never done coke and then tried to quit or are in recovery. it's a vile drug and dealers deserve prison time.
lol bookmarking this for posterity
That's comforting, you don't want to work hard to get a job, you want to hardly work and get shit handed to you.
Not the case. Connections are opportunity (at least in this field), not preparedness. He'll have to do the same work that anyone else can do; the advantage is that he KNOWS someone will be looking at him. He will already be noticed.
You wouldn't?
How about you give me a call in about 25 years and I'll get your 18 yo daughter hooked on crystal meth? After all, she has the right to do whatever substances she decides she wants to do - right?
Unfortunately, it goes beyond simply legislating against freedom of personal choice. It's just as much about preventing the scum of the Earth fucking up naive/young/gullible/stupid peoples' lives simply to turn a profit. And sorry, but turning this argument on its head by claiming legal drugs would eliminate that scenario just don't wash it.
I don't have all the answers myself either, but one day you'll grow up and see how simplistic your views are.
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I apologise but I'd just like to reply in bullet points as I totally agree that this argument is valid and one that must be had. Not because I think I'm solely right, but because whatever is being done to fight drugs right now isn't working, and something has to be done to fix that.
If I'm a good parent, I'll have her educated enough to avoid it. If I can turn it down, so can she (yes, it was as easy as saying 'no'). Yes, she has the freedom to choose. Everyone is addicted to something; porn, caffeine, sugar, sport. All can be dangerous but what would you do if someone stepped in and said you're not allowed sport anymore because too many people get killed in sport-related riots? They ban videogames for their violence but not sport? Police line the streets when a football (soccer) match takes place between two rival teams yet somehow videogames are the ones that promote violence as the teens sit in their bedrooms swearing after being fragged? Not all drug dealers are scum. I've met many a grower who is a fine example of a human being, charity working, and with a great family. Naive people will forever be naive. There are always people who will do things to excess. So what do you propose? We keep filling the prisons until they're overflowing? The war is unwinnable. Policing it is a worse money sink hole than actually throwing your money in a sink hole. Portugal only went part they way; the trafficking of the drugs is still illegal, just not the use. Their approach does nothing to cut the drugs prices. Kill the prices. Kill the industry. The 'scum of the earth' only pop out because there is huge money to be made. Music is now 'free' thanks to the internet, watch the record labels squirm and fizzle out and close. People never bother if the money doesn't outweigh the effort.
And I really take offence when you say "one day you'll grow up". And how dare you call my views simplistic even when you openly state 'you don't have all the answers yourself'. Christ, I'm sorry for forming a mildly educated opinion. Have you ever met me? Do you know what I've been through? What kind of place I'm from? What if I was actually an ex oxycontin addict and had seen a lot of this stuff first hand? I'm not trying to sound rude but you literally slammed my 'views' without even checking with me what they fully were.
In my opinion there is nothing more simplistic than thinking that spending billions upon billions of dollars on trying to crack down on drugs only to see drug usage rise, drug prices rise, and more and more lives get ruined by them. What the hell is wrong with a little bit of alternative thinking instead of the standard brute-force methods?
Critical thinking is apparently not your strong point.
Were you actually planning on supplying, or just caught stocking up for personal use? I've never used coke, so no idea how much 7.6kg is.
EDIT: Appears I switched off. Yes, a kilo of any drug is a lot. Not often I see drugs measured in kilos, rather than grams.
7600 grams, if he was stocking up for personal use it would have been for 10-20 years worth
I've always thought if I was a drug addict, I'd want to do one large drug deal to secure a lifetime supply of the drug, rather than risk arrest multiple times by buying drugs as needed.
I guess drug addicts don't think that way.
Metric conversion: 10 years worth of coke = 1 Lindsay Lohan Evening
Therefore ~1-2 Lohans
Clearly you've never done coke.
Not the way I party!
10-20 years worth would come in handy right about now.
Apparently the judge thinks its more than 20 years worth.
The zombie apocalypse might certainly last several decades.
Or about 90 seconds worth, depending on the strength of his heart.
You clearly have never done cocaine before.
That is debateable..... hahahahaha
that'd be one hell of a party....
cocaines a hell of a drug
Yea it would be. I wouldn't sleep for about 5 days.
Considering each gram of cocaine goes for about ~$60, sometimes even $150+ depending on where you are, you're looking at about 500k to a million dollars worth of cocaine. That's a lot.
damn son, $150 for a gram? that's madness! even $60 is madness!
What?
Back when I did that shit, I paid 30 for a gram and 80-100 for a ball.
But I guess living in a large southern port city helped.
Yeah 150? Where the fuck are you, Iraq?
I'm guessing the cocaine he got caught with was uncut.
And the stuff on the street is cut.
Might be a good bit more to be made than you estimated.
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wholesale value is much less, which is why you want to own street level distribution as well as having connection to a trust worthy supplier of the raw.
I've seen the wire in it's entirety like 5 times. I feel like an unused have a PHD in drug dealing.
7.6 kg is 16.72 pounds = a SHITLOAD. Personal use is usually up to 3 grams. This is 7,600 grams. A gram comes in the form of a little white ball that's maybe the size of an M&M. 3g is probably the size of a peanut M&M. I'd say an ounce (28.3g) is roughly the size of a golf ball.
It has the consistency of any fine powder you'd find in your kitchen if you lightly compacted it just enough to get it to hold its shape. In other words, it's not loose powder in a baggie I'm describing here, but it's easily broken up into powder for consumption.
Correct me if I'm wrong, my "idiot phase" was a good eight years ago.
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An ounce of cocaine is definitely bigger than a golf ball.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7.6kg+cocain
The coke you buy off a fat bloke ouside a bar has the consistency of powder, fresh coke that our man OP would have had would have been in an almost solid block that would crumble easily in to a finer than fine powder that would practically melt upon contact with the skin and would be eye wateringly sharp to the taste. I too am out of my 'idiot phase' but only because if I were ever in a position where I knew a guy with kilos of coke I would almost certainly end up dead or in prison.
yea pretty much right. i think 3 grams would be bigger then a peanut m&m tho
It's wayyy to much for personal use.
You don't like a challenge?
Prices were low so you stocked up for the next few years.
you just need the right soundtrack.
7.6kg is a lot of any drug.
Not mooooooon cheeeeeeeeese
What about nutmeg?
It's not a lot of coffee.
Can anyone convert the said amount for americans?
A kilo is a thousand grams, it's easy to remember, whoever's got the kilo is the candy man.
All around the world today the kilo is the measure (I can't feel my face).
All around the world today, the kilo is the measure.
HOLY SHIT. 7.6kg ?!?!?!?!?!?
yeah. Someone's a big player, apparently :O
I can't resist upvoting any comment that contains that emoticon.
:O
I love it.
ftfy
im not familiar to weight measurements, how big is that relative to every day items?
Well, how about this... If 7.6kg of cocaine was compacted into a brick, the brick would bigger than a toaster, but smaller than a microwave.
Fucking huge. Enough to get 1,000 coke-heads lit up for an entire week.
Assuming a paperclip weighs 1.4 grams (which is the most commonly referred to [weight of a paperclip] on the interwebs as far as i could tell) that would be 5428.6 paperclips.
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EDIT 2: It would also be 55.5 iphone 4's (56 iphone 3GS's)
EDIT 3: 16.76 pounds.
EDIT 4: exactly 1520 American Nickels.(thanks nsanidy)
EDIT 5: 7,448 pen caps
About 16.7 pounds - like 3 5-pound bags of potatoes and a 2-pound bag of carrots. More or less. :p
You didn't fuck up. The War on Drugs fucked you over.
I have some friends who've been pretty destroyed by cocaine; good guys who were into experimentation (as lots of us were) and just got swallowed by cocaine. Sting or not, you were trying to make 1/4 million on something that is just ruining good people, including two of my closest friends. Much as I hate drug laws, I guess I'm suddenly not so sympathetic to your plight; dirty sting or not.
Making huge money off the kind of suffering that shit brings is pretty shitty, man. Everyone makes their choices, and that includes my friends who stupidly went down that road, but the guys making money off it - they can't suffer enough for what my friends have to live the rest of their lives with. Two great guys, totally ruined, that I know personally. Another two suicides (couldn't take being addicts anymore) that I know peripherally.
Fuck the guys making bank on it. Fuck 'em. Worst style of capitalists; dealers in anguish, poverty, and ruin. Totally selfish.
Downvote me, libertarian reddit... but listen. I'm all for legalization of drugs; I'm all for legal distribution to destabilize the cartels. I'm all for personal responsibility. But I think making big money off it is pretty shitty; ruins too many people.
Incorrect. Read the rest of the thread. It wasn't financially motivated... not even a little bit.
Um, so wheres reddit suppose that other .4 of a kilo went?
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Sigh
Though I can see where there could be a punishment involved. 10 years?
Had you forced someone to OD on cocaine at gunpoint, sure.
But possession?
cringe I hate drug laws and I'm not even a user.
its almost as if it's supposed to deter you from trafficking drugs.... hmmm
Have you ever spent time in prison?
Let me tell you a secret from personal experience. One year to a first offender is WAY more than enough to make that person fly straight for life. Ten years for drug possession is bullshit unless it's for a repeat offender.
mission...failed?
Damn dude, that sucks. Glad I'm not you. Later.
my thoughts EXACTLY!
THE FUCK!!! 7.6??????
jesus fucking christ.
be glad it's only 10 years
that is a shitload of cocaine
Not that this'll make you feel much better, but if you'd been caught doing that in my country you'd receive a mandatory death penalty.
How many servings is that? Sounds like they got Intent to Distribute just from the amount you had. Way to much to ever be for personal use.
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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7.6+Kilograms
Do you regret your involvement with illicit drugs? When you're released from prison, will you discontinue any involvement with illicit drugs?
jesus shitting dicks, what the fuck were you doing with 7 kg of coke? D:
If I learned one thing from Shawshank Redemption is that what you never say what you in for. You're always innocent.
One more thing, listen to this song constantly till you fall asleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3L4spg8vyo&feature=related
How lavish was your lifestyle prior to your arrest? I can only imagine dealing cocaine in kgs is going to buy you some pretty toys.
Wasn't lavish at all... as I mentioned earlier, there is a common misconception that I was some big shot drug dealer. That wasn't the case.
Way to destroy other people's lives scumbag.
How would you feel if your kid ODs in 12 years.
Ahh, a bullshit 'crime'.
My condolences.
How much did you pay for 7.6 KG of coke? wat like $50,000? I have no pity for you. I hope you get the full 10 years.
dont get me wrong.. i think all personal use -> small quantities should be totally legal... but not that much...
I wasn't asking for your pity.
Hope you rot. :)
I won't... but thanks! :)
You're aware you deserve what you get, right?
I really dont think nonviolent crimes should constitute prison time, although to be honest I really have no pitty for you. You sell coke and you know its illegal. This is what you get.
Agreed. To be fair... I wasn't asking for your pity.
I assume this wasn't you first attempt to purchase. Have you been caught before?
You need to realize that LOTS of people die (bystanders too) in the cartel wars getting this shit up here.
It isn't a victimless crime. You are getting what you deserve. I hope you learn from it.
Read up on buddhism and you can be happy while in jail.
I have not once in this thread, or any, claimed that any of this was victimless. Nor have I claimed that I don't deserve anything that comes my way...
You should read up on the concept of personal responsibility, especially how OP's actions did not cause the deaths that you speak of, therefore how you can't blame him and say he's getting "what he deserves".
If you're so interested in looking to apportion blame, then use your brain: The deaths you speak of, are ultimately caused by the politicians who pass laws that criminalize the drug trade, so if you had four functioning neurons working in concert, you would be directing your bile against the real assholes of the story, not some poor guy who got railroaded by the insanity that is the legal system.
He had a couple of kilos of cocaine. This isn't marijuana, it is cocaine. He was selling a hard drug that ruins lives. Cocaine is used in crack in case you didn't know.
The laws are correct with this type of drug. Maybe not for pot or mushrooms, but cocaine/heroin/meth - they are correct. Selling highly addictive drugs that lead to overdose deaths should lead to 10 years.
You idiot.
So what you are saying equates to: Bank robbers that shoot people to escape are victims of the laws which force them to take the money by force.
Almost nothing that we do is victimless, in this guys case there are just fewer steps between the bodies and his actions. Also, cartels battle with each other because drugs are illegal, and it's their only recourse for settling disputes. Rip on him for providing access to a substance that can ruin lives, not consequences of failed drug laws, which are just as much your fault as his.
crimes should be proportional. he did not commit 10 years of imprisonment worth of a crime. not at fucking all. 5 should have been the MAX.
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