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youngluck

IAmA fella getting sentenced to Federal Prison in less than 48 Hrs. I am facing 10 years. AMA.

tl;dr I fucked up. Now facing a shit load of time in Federal Prison. AUSA is refusing to allow a safety valve, arguing that because I didn't turn anybody else in, I didn't cooperate, and therefore don't qualify. Without the Safety Valve, my crime is a criminal Offense level 32. 121 months. In 48 hours (Wed.) I'll go before a Federal Judge, and he will decide what to do with me. Ask Me Anything.

My intention for this AMA is 2 fold. Obviously, bricks are being shat. I can't sleep. I can't eat. I am paralyzed with the thought of not not being free again until I am 40. I'm hoping that getting some of this off my chest will be therapeutic in helping me deal with that. I'm also hoping to provide a little perspective to some of the chaos other Redditors may be going through right now.

With the help of Reddit, in particular klienbl00, I'm gonna try to document this journey with my ink pen, and a knack for the scribble scrabble. I'll be doing my best to post weekly updates while incarcerated, on an art blog that was setup by other fellow Redditors, Here... Lemonade out of Lemons so to speak.

Any Mods can PM me for proof with which to Gold Star this bastard...

EDIT: SENTENCING UPDATE

Posted Jun 21, 2010, 2:19 PM UTC · edited

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Starguard•

So, what're you in for?

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youngluckOP•

Possession with Intent to Distribute, 7.6 Kilograms of Cocaine.

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kokey•

A friend of mine ended up getting caught with about 5kg when he went on a little 'paid holiday' to be someone else's mule. This was in South Africa. They gave him 10 years, he served 6, and he would have gotten out earlier on good behaviour but it seems like the prison liked the 'favours' from his parents too much that they didn't want to lose him. Anyway, it sucked as it is supposed to, but it seems like he had a better time establishing himself in a full time prison than during his holding period before bail, and managed to get himself transferred to a prison closer to his family and further away from the big city which helped.

He made the most of it though, managed to study to postgrad level with very good marks, since he had nothing better to do. He read a lot and studied IT related subjects, so he had access to a computer but wasn't allowed net access. I was always amazed when I visited him that he knew more about mobile phones than I did and he probably only managed to touch a phone secretly in prison for about 6 weeks of his time there. He also stayed in good shape. It took him 2 years to adjust after coming out but he's done like a zillion things since, making the most of it. One was setting up a business, doing well for 2 years, then not staying on top of things and going under. He has no problems with actually being able to get the business going, it was the day to day administration that he couldn't stay on top of because the world was full of other interesting stuff to distract him with.

Think of it this way. When getting out at the end of 10 years you'll probably be a lot healthier from exercise and limited access to substances than having been in, and not bad looking unless you've been scarred or gone all tattoo. You'll probably have at least a degree behind your name or beyond a masters. Being male you'll still be able to get women up to 20 years younger and if you're lucky you'll still live until you're 100. You can still do business on the back of the knowledge you've gained while studying in prison. Many companies might not want to employ you for your record, but people aren't going care about your time inside when you're making something useful to sell to them.

See it like you've been given a 10 year project to make yourself a better human being. I think the sad thing about most people in prison is that they never felt like they had a chance even before they went there and that's what got them in there in the first place, and they don't think they'll have a chance once they get out again. If you thought like that before going in, being in there is not going to give that to you.

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ulyssesss•

Youngluck, I know this is late so I hope you get to read this. I just observe.. never contribute, but I made an account just to reply to you.

I was setup by the OSI (military equivalent of FBI) and ratted on by my best friend for drug crimes. I awaited trial for 13 months before being sentenced to 6 months. I was facing 25 years for all my crimes. This was 6 years ago and I was 23. I served my time, never got raped nor beaten, finished a degree and nhave a great life and job.

I know what I served is a fraction of what you will do, but if I can impart some wisdom that will help you, than well, good.

First off, there are only two type of people you will meet in prison. Dudes that are career criminals and dudes that are not. You have to make a conscious decision to never return. It's not as simple as it sounds.. Odds are against you. Career criminals will be running shit in prison. Why? Because that's what they do.. their outside life is gone, all they have is on the inside. You will have to make friends with the career guys and play nice to survive but never forget .. YOU ARE NOT A CAREER CRIMINAL (this might make more sense to you after a few months).

You will be inundated with a slew on mini how-to workshops on how to commit any crime imaginable. Its kinda what George says in Blow, "I went in with a bachelors of marijuana, came out with a doctorate of cocaine."

I saw some of your drawings. They freaking rock. Seriously. Congratulations, you have a lucrative skill you can exchange for goods. I spent many a ramen (that was our currency, we couldn't smoke) on some crappy drawings for my girlfriend. Think about all the people in there with wives and kids, birthdays and anniversaries. You, my friend, need to exploit your skill.

What is you race? Unfortunately, there is violence in prison and many times it comes down to something as simple as being in the wrong skin at the wrong time. Choose your friends wisely. Stay away from the aggressive gangs, but don't shun them. You don't have to be someones bitch to get protected. Yes, it happens, but not if you are smart. Your artistic ability can be your golden ticket.

Do not let someone punk you. You are going to have to stand up for yourself, especially during your first few weeks. Think of it as the animal kingdom, everyone is trying to determine where you stand. People will attempt to display dominance on you. Don't give them a reason to. Sometimes they don't need a reason, that's why you need to get good friends, fast. But sometimes someone's going to test you, don't stand down. But don't be stupid about it either, if he has a shank, don't see if he will use it. Be ready to fight. 90% of the fights I witnessed never escalated into a physical fight, it's just a shouting match. Like I said, if you are prepared to fight, you've already won the respect. Just hope the guard will jump in before others do. Bumps and bruises. Sorry I don't mean to scare you, in all likelihood no one will fuck with you unless you give them a reason.. that's kinda prison code, but, even more so than real life, prison has its fair share of tools. Words that will cause a fight: bitch, punk, n*gger, fag. Don't use those words. Ever.

Ok, enough of that stuff. Now time to figure out how you are going to spend your time. Look at this like, you have 6 years to learn anything you want to learn. You don't have to do anything, or you can do everything. My advise to you: READ BOOKS. I read a book every 2 days. I went back to the classics and read autobiographies. My interest was in Finance and Business so I got my parents to send me books on those subjects. Mix up fiction and non-fiction. I studied for the GRE and GMAT with those prop books. I made flash cards and memorized all the common SAT and GRE words. Don't let your brain relax .. always be learning. I went through one of those pocket dictionaries, circling words I liked or didn't hear often. 6 years is enough time to be a genius on many subjects. Make that your goal. Oh, check out some bible study classes for some solid entertainment..

Reading is good, but you can't do that all day. You need to workout. Find a workout partner that isn't crazy. 30-45 mins a day is plenty. Don't get all beefed up .. unless that's your style.. stay cut, stay sharp. Don't get tattoos. Yes, all the cool kids are doing it.. ok, if you get a tat, don't get one somewhere stupid, like on your neck or eye lids. Remember, you are not a career criminal.. most of the people you will meet in prison are.

You will also need to play the social game in prison, you can't work out and read all day. I mean you could, but you will come out a reclusive. I played cards. Spades mostly, kept my mind sharp and its fun to joke around with friends. Time flies when your having fun. Yes, you can have fun in prison. I also got into some pinochle, as I moved up the social ladder. Poker was good too, just don't get into any big betting games. Remember, these people are criminals, they will cheat when possible i.e marked decks. Don't make ANY bet (i don't care if you have a full house) with currency you don't have. Also, Monopoly is the shit. My friends made it a ritual on holidays and birthdays.

The food will suck, I actually went on a no-carb diet my second half and got pretty ripped. Buy proteins and meat from your weekly canteen and barter for extra milks. Save candy and desserts for special occasions, like birthdays, Christmas, Thanksgiving.

Do you currently smoke? I would tell you not to smoke but 6 years in the slammer and I would probably take up smoking. Just try really hard to not get dependent on nicotine... social smoking if you will.

Being connected to the real world is critical for life after prison. Do you have a good relationship with your family? If you don't make your amends before you go. You are going to need family support and to send you books. Write them letters. Loved ones? That's tough for 6 years. Noot for you, but fr them. Understand if they can't stick it out.

I think keeping connected with reddit is a GREAT idea. Actually an ingenious idea. You could really move up high in the social ladder with this. For instance, you will probably run across some people with some incredible talents in drawing and writing. Offer to take some of the talent and send it to your reddit connect and scan them into the site. Giving someone a internet link to give to their 13 year old to find a pimp drawing for their birthday will be huge. Some of the lifers will think you are a magician from the future. But don't give away your service for free (except as a present for a close friend). Don't get taken advantage of. Don't let someone else make deals on your behalf. Figure out the value of your drawings and barter for yourself.

So that's it. If its any consolation to you, the 13 months before sentencing, walking around, pretending everything was alright was the worse part for me. The first morning of my first full day, I breathed a sigh of relief. The end was in sight. No more uncertainty. This is your punishment and you have to potential to become a genius.

ps- always wear flip flops in the shower.

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nodnsmile•

I just saved this to my computer in case I ever have to go to prison. Thank you.

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youngluckOP•

When I first got arrested, I spent 3 months at MDC before my pre-trial judge finally approved bail, after a second attempt. I just wanted to tell you, and anybody else reading this, that this advice is absolutely spot on. Amongst the countless tips advising to "protect your cornhole"... A jewel. Thank You.

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Santos_L_Halper•

The first morning of my first full day, I breathed a sigh of relief. The end was in sight.

Reminds me of a line from The Wire. "You only do 2 days: the day you go in and the day you get out."

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univerio•

Noot for you, but fr them

How did that "o" move over like, 16 characters?

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PigeonCamera•

Don't get tattoos. Yes, all the cool kids are doing it.. ok, if you get a tat, don't get one somewhere stupid, like on your neck or eye lids.

I'll back this statement up. Prison tattoos are a very common route for the transmission of Hepatitis C. Stay away!

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frankieb•

All great advice. Just to add to this, try to get into some sort of a routine. Your life will kind've revolve around your meal times; set a routine each day like workout right before breakfast (where I went came at 4:30 am), sleep until lunch, eat lunch, read/sleep until dinner, eat dinner, read until night, play cards/socialize, read some more, workout and repeat. If you get going, the days will start flying by (the weekdays actually go extremely quick, while weekends strangely slow). Also, euchre is a great card game to play, and hopefully they have a chess board, as that is a great game to keep the mind sharp. A bit off topic, but a funny story about chess. Some guy comes in looking like he was having a terrible herion withdrawl, slept for 5 days straight, didn't come out from under his covers or move...not even for meals. I am playing chess with another cell mate and I beat him and say checkmate. The guy apparently heard me and slowly comes out to see light for the first time in literally 5 days. Walks over and asks if he can play me since I won. Six moves later, he has me in checkmate. Next game 9 moves. Game after, something like 15 moves. We played ten games and he beat me ten straight times. It was absurd. Granted I'm not a chess master, but I'm not a slouch either. Anyways, I start talking to the guy and apparently at one time he was a state/regional chess champion back in high school. You won't believe some of the people you'll meet in there. Good luck.

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dangerfield999•

Holy fuck is that an awesome comment.

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realzondarg•

tl;dr: athlete's foot can be a bitch

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zip117•

If its any consolation to you, the 13 months before sentencing, walking around, pretending everything was alright was the worse part for me.

If I were in your place, I'd probably have the worst time dealing with the fact that my best friend ratted me out.

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do an AMA.

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[deleted]•

Great comment but why the flip flops?

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[deleted]•

Funny, I'd give most of this advice to a kid going into boarding school..

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yugnats•

"You need to workout. Find a workout partner that isn't crazy."

i love this line

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adubbz•

When taking a shit, keep one leg out of your pants. You are vulnerable.

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pizzapops•

"Best of" link for those that want to save it.

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randomsmasher•

Youngluck, post an address. I'll send some ramen and ish.

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dewired•

Wonderful advice. Nothing else really to add to this.

I just want to re-stress the important part about reading, seeking knowledge, and keeping your mind sharp. You have the privilege to be able to dedicate copious amounts of time to learning. USE it, you will come out a better person than you were previously.

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daLeechLord•

If only I could upvote this more than once.

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ekki•

I don't get how being artistic will give you any leeway in prison. I doubt many prisoners will want you to make them a Hallmark card? Instead couldn't he just draw cool stuff for people? Maybe even be a tattoo artist?

In advance, I am sorry for sounding extremely ignorant.

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Thiefree•

I can see how you came to identify with Ulysses. Thanks for a great comment. x

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Wow... you should do more "guides" like that for various life situations. Such as what to do after college is finished (PhD how to choose...), or whatever.

But thx anyway, even if your advice here mostly doesn't apply to me.

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AsteroidPuncher•

Saving forever in the event of prison

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mchrist1990•

This needs more upvotes. So much common sense and good advice!

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hatekillpuke•

Noot for you, but fr them.

Holy shit, that o jumped words in the sentence!

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avalonhill•

My opinion. I think this thread can be summed up by the this quote >just don't get into any big betting games. Remember, these people are criminals. There is something in this quote that I am sure someone here can interpret. I suspect most people go to prison due to faulty logic or information processing. I think people who go to prison define the world, nature, relationships, morals and values slightly differently than the rest of us. It is likely people will react to my quote by making statements about the corrupt system, "these people are innocent," America sends everyone to prison, laws are wrong, etc. However, rules are not kept secret. I am sure the OP knew trafficking in Coke was illegal. Being a mule? I was in college once and was asked numerous time to go on "trips" for people and I could make "a lot of cash." However, somehow I was able to divine that this was a bad idea. I believe there is something different about people who make decisions when they know there is a risk, and there is an alternative. Unfortunately we are inundated with information that tells us the opposite. I think people who process information differently from the average cannot tease out that information, which is why they end up going to prison, not as a criminal, but with a bunch of other criminals. Does anyone else see the faulty logic in that, or am I the only one. I know not everyone in prison is guilty, but the vast majority are.

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ChristopherM•

Wow, that's priceless!

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flaneuric•

Sounds like great advice.

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Dr-No•

always wear flip flops in the shower

I'm probably either stupid or naive. Or both. Anyway... why?

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thestamp•

Noted! Thanks!

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pythonaut•

Were you at RAF Lakenheath? Story sounds familiar...

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kaosjester•

Did you go to military prison?

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MyTreesAccount•

small world... I was setup by OSI too, and sentenced to a similar amount of time. Just wanted to mention that if you were arrested in the military, and got less than 12 months, you probably wont go to an actual prison. You will end up going to an on-base detention center. This is a world away from prison - better in some ways, worse in others.

Just wanted to comment, because if you got in trouble with the OSI, you probably went to a military confinement center, making lots of this advice moot for a civilian prison.

Better in that there is way less risk of assault, rape or other forms of physical abuse. Worse in that there are WAY more rules. For example, in military confinement/detention, you will be going through a boot-camp like experience, waking up early and working all day.

In prison/jail you will have a bit more freedom to sleep, read, smoke, watch tv when you want.

One more tip of advice/encouragement/?.. I'm pretty sure this is a quote from the Wire too: YOu only do two days in prison - the day you go in, and the day you come out. That's very true, in that the entire experience just feels like a very long, neverending day.

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Sticky_0x•

sperm surfers!

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phyreseed•

ps- always wear flip flops in the shower.

This goes for the Military as well. Just sayin.

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Floonet•

A guy friend of mine went to prison for several years, when he got out he started telling me how the prison system really works. This is good advice! Another my friend said was that it was helpful, and beneficial to get a job. He stayed out of trouble so he could have a decent job, and worked his way up, without going too high and becoming a 'narc'.

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fallenangel42•

you can have fun in prison

Not so sure you're meant to

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brettrosey•

I want to go to jail for like 3 months. I'll get ripped and smart.

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AsteroidPuncher•

Replying for no reason other than to save. Downvotes away!

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SouthAfricanGuy•

Your friend ought to do an AMA of his own.

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bink821•

My cousin was caught with about 6kg of heroin. He did 4 months. That's in ireland though. His sentance was 12 years but they suspended the sentance (ie let him out on probation just over 4 months later). He fucked up within a month, got another 5 years but was let out of prison again about 2 weeks later. Basically he now has about 10 years of probation left.

Prison sentances in ireland are very often a complete joke. They used to let the IRA guys out of prison so they could spend Xmas with their families.

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ZLegacy•

How is prison in Ireland? I imagine instead of the bread and water in American prison (which is not what we really get), you guys would get whiskey and water.

Anyways, I was watching Locked Up, and they did a segment on European prisons. I have to say, prisons over there looked incredibly fun. One (I think it was Russia) had a pool, prisons were in and out of their cells as they liked, and we're able to raise Peacocks.

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bink821•

Yes! Study when you're inside. Do everything you can to springboard your education & certifications. You'll have nothing else to do. Dedicate as much time as possible to your future.

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Dutchangle•

I'm not going to prison anytime soon (knock on wood), but you just made me feel so much hope for the future.

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dmack96•

I have a legitimate question. Dead serious. Can this be done in american prisons? and is prison rape a huge problem in South Africa like it is here in the US.

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kokey•

Yes it is. You're almost guaranteed to face something like that when you go to prison. AIDS is also a massive problem there. You have to try find out in advance about what method applied to the prison to avoiding it. Some prisons you can get into with a bit of money on you, and you have to find a big scary looking guy immediately and pay him (not lots of money, the exchange rate in prison is great) to look out for you initially. Many of those people inside don't have friends and family bringing them stuff like money from the outside, so if you seem like you'll get more later they think longer term. You used to need about $200/month to be reasonably comfortable in an SA prison to get around bribes and favours.

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pavel_lishin•

I'd recommend that people going to prison request a copy of Neal Stephenson's Anathem as inspiration.

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prenzlauerberg•

i really appreciate you're ability of seeing it the positive way.

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sayray•

you make a really fantastic point.

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PDXcannabinoids•

Being male you'll still be able to get women up to 20 years younger

Wait, so, I'm 30. So I should be able to score a 10 year old!?

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[deleted]•

Candy and a van; Hello!

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TheLobotomizer•

You make going to federal prison seem like a good thing.

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SumErgoCogito•

You just made me feel good about going to prison, and I haven't even done anything. Great post kokey, you are a very optimistic fellow with great insight into what all of us are capable of.

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WalterGR•

the prison liked the 'favours' from his parents

What does that mean?

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kokey•

bribes and other things like buying them kitchen equipment and organising events.

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giveitawaynow•

Sounds like a resort, sign me up!

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Aviator•

Cheer up dude. If you were in Malaysia you'd face mandatory death sentence (even with just 40gm).

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youngluckOP•

EXACTLY! Someone always has it worse... I try to remember that.

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[deleted]•

That doesn't de-legitimize your suffering. Everyone is facing their own battles. By that rationale, no one should worry about their suffering because someone always has it worse.

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Stingray88•

In Portugal, you'd just get a few days and a fine.

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Prodigal_Son•

Another thing to look forward to? The food in the fed. system is wayyyy fuckn better than county and city jails. Trust me, I've been to all three of them and can tell you right now they're all different breeds and by far federal was the best.

Hopefully you get some good cellys and remember to keep your house clean, memorize the rotation of everything and keep your head low. Youll be well read once you're released.

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FasterEddie•

If he was in Malaysia he'd quietly pay his bribes and be out in time for dinner. If he was in Singapore he'd be in trouble though...

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[deleted]•

Hi. I'm in Malaysia right now. This is a funny coincidence.

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glitchd•

I'm not a user of cocaine however I still feel humans have the right to do whatever substances that they decide they want to do. And if it wasn't for this unwinnable war on drugs, you'd just be paying tax to the government on your drug sales. It's pathetic.

Putting you behind bars just puts up drug prices and means some other poor shmuck will step up to the plate and take your place.

I'm 21 now. If you serve a full sentence (10 years) I'll be 31, and hopefully a decent game developer at a major studio (I'm lucky in that I have decent connections so I should reach my goal with relative ease). My promise to you is this; if I'm in a strong enough position in a studio I'll ensure our next title has a prison related theme and you'll be hired as a consultant. Fuck, even if I don't reach my goal, my bro is a big TV producer in the UK and my father has created a bunch of TV shows. I'll find someone who needs a consultant on the topics you know. That's a promise. PM me for my email address; I'll have it for the rest of my life (as I own my name as a .com domain).

That, and I'll buy you a beer. If beer is still legal by then.

Fuck this stupid war on drugs, and all the lives that are ruined by them. They should be rehabilitating you, not incarcerating you.

All the best.

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dsk•

I'm lucky in that I have decent connections so I should reach my goal with relative ease ... I'll ensure our next title has a prison related theme and you'll be hired as a consultant ... my bro is a big TV producer in the UK and my father has created a bunch of TV shows. I'll find someone who needs a consultant on the topics you know. That's a promise.

Your bullshit is off putting.

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Crotalus•

Haha, a 21 year old that thinks he has the world by the balls and a rock-solid philosophy on how things should be? They're a dime a dozen.

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[deleted]•

You can't prove he is bull shitting anymore than he can prove he isn't. So whats the point?

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[deleted]•

Common be nice. He is just stoned

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CaptainItalics•

And when you are 41, you will feel somewhat embarrassed about all the bragging and big talk you dished out when you were 21. Hopefully you will succeed at some of your goals regardless.

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ultra-nihilist•

When I'm 41 I'll be glad I didn't take a permanent xanax nap when I was 21.

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doublestop•

How selflessly self serving of you.

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somekindofnewt•

The hilariousness of this comment has got to be the replies. I've never seen so many jealous and sad individuals try to bring one guy down in such rapid succession. Fuck those guys, connections are EVERYTHING and it's why they don't have ANYTHING. Just don't fuck those opportunities up!

You're in a lucky spot but these guys could have had the same chance I doubt they know how to network for those opportunities.

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agbullet•

Connections may bring you there, but it takes not fucking up to stay there. Connections aren't everything.

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r1s3•

Confidence goes a long way. A little humility can help however.

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dsk•

Maybe if you suck his dick he'll hook you up with his connections.

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[deleted]•

im pretty sure he wasnt planning on using 16 pounds of coke. what kind of rehabilitating would he need?

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3danimator•

Ah...to be young and full of shit again..

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sayray•

clearly you've never done coke and then tried to quit or are in recovery. it's a vile drug and dealers deserve prison time.

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neo_07•

lol bookmarking this for posterity

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ChocoJesus•

I'm 21 now. If you serve a full sentence (10 years) I'll be 31, and hopefully a decent game developer at a major studio (I'm lucky in that I have decent connections so I should reach my goal with relative ease).

That's comforting, you don't want to work hard to get a job, you want to hardly work and get shit handed to you.

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falsehood•

Not the case. Connections are opportunity (at least in this field), not preparedness. He'll have to do the same work that anyone else can do; the advantage is that he KNOWS someone will be looking at him. He will already be noticed.

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Illison•

You wouldn't?

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xev105•

How about you give me a call in about 25 years and I'll get your 18 yo daughter hooked on crystal meth? After all, she has the right to do whatever substances she decides she wants to do - right?

Unfortunately, it goes beyond simply legislating against freedom of personal choice. It's just as much about preventing the scum of the Earth fucking up naive/young/gullible/stupid peoples' lives simply to turn a profit. And sorry, but turning this argument on its head by claiming legal drugs would eliminate that scenario just don't wash it.

I don't have all the answers myself either, but one day you'll grow up and see how simplistic your views are.

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glitchd•

I apologise but I'd just like to reply in bullet points as I totally agree that this argument is valid and one that must be had. Not because I think I'm solely right, but because whatever is being done to fight drugs right now isn't working, and something has to be done to fix that.

If I'm a good parent, I'll have her educated enough to avoid it. If I can turn it down, so can she (yes, it was as easy as saying 'no'). Yes, she has the freedom to choose. Everyone is addicted to something; porn, caffeine, sugar, sport. All can be dangerous but what would you do if someone stepped in and said you're not allowed sport anymore because too many people get killed in sport-related riots? They ban videogames for their violence but not sport? Police line the streets when a football (soccer) match takes place between two rival teams yet somehow videogames are the ones that promote violence as the teens sit in their bedrooms swearing after being fragged? Not all drug dealers are scum. I've met many a grower who is a fine example of a human being, charity working, and with a great family. Naive people will forever be naive. There are always people who will do things to excess. So what do you propose? We keep filling the prisons until they're overflowing? The war is unwinnable. Policing it is a worse money sink hole than actually throwing your money in a sink hole. Portugal only went part they way; the trafficking of the drugs is still illegal, just not the use. Their approach does nothing to cut the drugs prices. Kill the prices. Kill the industry. The 'scum of the earth' only pop out because there is huge money to be made. Music is now 'free' thanks to the internet, watch the record labels squirm and fizzle out and close. People never bother if the money doesn't outweigh the effort.

And I really take offence when you say "one day you'll grow up". And how dare you call my views simplistic even when you openly state 'you don't have all the answers yourself'. Christ, I'm sorry for forming a mildly educated opinion. Have you ever met me? Do you know what I've been through? What kind of place I'm from? What if I was actually an ex oxycontin addict and had seen a lot of this stuff first hand? I'm not trying to sound rude but you literally slammed my 'views' without even checking with me what they fully were.

In my opinion there is nothing more simplistic than thinking that spending billions upon billions of dollars on trying to crack down on drugs only to see drug usage rise, drug prices rise, and more and more lives get ruined by them. What the hell is wrong with a little bit of alternative thinking instead of the standard brute-force methods?

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xchino•

Critical thinking is apparently not your strong point.

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[deleted]•

Were you actually planning on supplying, or just caught stocking up for personal use? I've never used coke, so no idea how much 7.6kg is.

EDIT: Appears I switched off. Yes, a kilo of any drug is a lot. Not often I see drugs measured in kilos, rather than grams.

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steve93•

7600 grams, if he was stocking up for personal use it would have been for 10-20 years worth

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[deleted]•

I've always thought if I was a drug addict, I'd want to do one large drug deal to secure a lifetime supply of the drug, rather than risk arrest multiple times by buying drugs as needed.

I guess drug addicts don't think that way.

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Akamaru•

Metric conversion: 10 years worth of coke = 1 Lindsay Lohan Evening

Therefore ~1-2 Lohans

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supersaw•

Clearly you've never done coke.

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muhnooer•

Not the way I party!

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LeBrad•

10-20 years worth would come in handy right about now.

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burt_flaxton•

Apparently the judge thinks its more than 20 years worth.

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[deleted]•

The zombie apocalypse might certainly last several decades.

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gregtron•

Or about 90 seconds worth, depending on the strength of his heart.

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ctown121•

You clearly have never done cocaine before.

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doctorfunknasty•

That is debateable..... hahahahaha

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AnnArchist•

that'd be one hell of a party....

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zoinks•

cocaines a hell of a drug

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Asilus•

Yea it would be. I wouldn't sleep for about 5 days.

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[deleted]•

Considering each gram of cocaine goes for about ~$60, sometimes even $150+ depending on where you are, you're looking at about 500k to a million dollars worth of cocaine. That's a lot.

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hoboballs•

damn son, $150 for a gram? that's madness! even $60 is madness!

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jon_titor•

What?

Back when I did that shit, I paid 30 for a gram and 80-100 for a ball.

But I guess living in a large southern port city helped.

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[deleted]•

Yeah 150? Where the fuck are you, Iraq?

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justwhoiam•

I'm guessing the cocaine he got caught with was uncut.

And the stuff on the street is cut.

Might be a good bit more to be made than you estimated.

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dwitman•

wholesale value is much less, which is why you want to own street level distribution as well as having connection to a trust worthy supplier of the raw.

I've seen the wire in it's entirety like 5 times. I feel like an unused have a PHD in drug dealing.

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RufusMcCoot•

7.6 kg is 16.72 pounds = a SHITLOAD. Personal use is usually up to 3 grams. This is 7,600 grams. A gram comes in the form of a little white ball that's maybe the size of an M&M. 3g is probably the size of a peanut M&M. I'd say an ounce (28.3g) is roughly the size of a golf ball.

It has the consistency of any fine powder you'd find in your kitchen if you lightly compacted it just enough to get it to hold its shape. In other words, it's not loose powder in a baggie I'm describing here, but it's easily broken up into powder for consumption.

Correct me if I'm wrong, my "idiot phase" was a good eight years ago.

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ahhsoso•

An ounce of cocaine is definitely bigger than a golf ball.

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ProphetV•
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[deleted]•

The coke you buy off a fat bloke ouside a bar has the consistency of powder, fresh coke that our man OP would have had would have been in an almost solid block that would crumble easily in to a finer than fine powder that would practically melt upon contact with the skin and would be eye wateringly sharp to the taste. I too am out of my 'idiot phase' but only because if I were ever in a position where I knew a guy with kilos of coke I would almost certainly end up dead or in prison.

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[deleted]•

yea pretty much right. i think 3 grams would be bigger then a peanut m&m tho

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[deleted]•

It's wayyy to much for personal use.

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[deleted]•

You don't like a challenge?

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[deleted]•

Prices were low so you stocked up for the next few years.

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aradil•

7.6kg is a lot of any drug.

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[deleted]•

Not mooooooon cheeeeeeeeese

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ex_ample•

What about nutmeg?

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fffqqqq•

It's not a lot of coffee.

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BoonTobias•

Can anyone convert the said amount for americans?

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majnunredfoot•

A kilo is a thousand grams, it's easy to remember, whoever's got the kilo is the candy man.

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cmprsdchse•

All around the world today the kilo is the measure (I can't feel my face).

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aidrocsid•

All around the world today, the kilo is the measure.

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[deleted]•

HOLY SHIT. 7.6kg ?!?!?!?!?!?

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[deleted]•

yeah. Someone's a big player, apparently :O

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gregtron•

I can't resist upvoting any comment that contains that emoticon.

:O

I love it.

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[deleted]•

someone was a big player

ftfy

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_Spy_•

im not familiar to weight measurements, how big is that relative to every day items?

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[deleted]•

Well, how about this... If 7.6kg of cocaine was compacted into a brick, the brick would bigger than a toaster, but smaller than a microwave.

Fucking huge. Enough to get 1,000 coke-heads lit up for an entire week.

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drumr•

Assuming a paperclip weighs 1.4 grams (which is the most commonly referred to [weight of a paperclip] on the interwebs as far as i could tell) that would be 5428.6 paperclips.
EDIT:[]
EDIT 2: It would also be 55.5 iphone 4's (56 iphone 3GS's)
EDIT 3: 16.76 pounds.
EDIT 4: exactly 1520 American Nickels.(thanks nsanidy)
EDIT 5: 7,448 pen caps

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omg_pwnies•

About 16.7 pounds - like 3 5-pound bags of potatoes and a 2-pound bag of carrots. More or less. :p

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cdgtheory•

You didn't fuck up. The War on Drugs fucked you over.

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[deleted]•

I have some friends who've been pretty destroyed by cocaine; good guys who were into experimentation (as lots of us were) and just got swallowed by cocaine. Sting or not, you were trying to make 1/4 million on something that is just ruining good people, including two of my closest friends. Much as I hate drug laws, I guess I'm suddenly not so sympathetic to your plight; dirty sting or not.

Making huge money off the kind of suffering that shit brings is pretty shitty, man. Everyone makes their choices, and that includes my friends who stupidly went down that road, but the guys making money off it - they can't suffer enough for what my friends have to live the rest of their lives with. Two great guys, totally ruined, that I know personally. Another two suicides (couldn't take being addicts anymore) that I know peripherally.

Fuck the guys making bank on it. Fuck 'em. Worst style of capitalists; dealers in anguish, poverty, and ruin. Totally selfish.

Downvote me, libertarian reddit... but listen. I'm all for legalization of drugs; I'm all for legal distribution to destabilize the cartels. I'm all for personal responsibility. But I think making big money off it is pretty shitty; ruins too many people.

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youngluckOP•

you were trying to make 1/4 million

Incorrect. Read the rest of the thread. It wasn't financially motivated... not even a little bit.

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[deleted]•

Um, so wheres reddit suppose that other .4 of a kilo went?

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[deleted]•

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etaz898•

7.6 Kilograms

O_o

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wtmh•

Sigh

Though I can see where there could be a punishment involved. 10 years?

Had you forced someone to OD on cocaine at gunpoint, sure.

But possession?

cringe I hate drug laws and I'm not even a user.

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[deleted]•

its almost as if it's supposed to deter you from trafficking drugs.... hmmm

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wtmh•

Have you ever spent time in prison?

Let me tell you a secret from personal experience. One year to a first offender is WAY more than enough to make that person fly straight for life. Ten years for drug possession is bullshit unless it's for a repeat offender.

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homerjaythompson•

mission...failed?

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angryvigilante•

Damn dude, that sucks. Glad I'm not you. Later.

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RapeFart•

my thoughts EXACTLY!

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THE FUCK!!! 7.6??????

jesus fucking christ.

be glad it's only 10 years

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BigZ•

that is a shitload of cocaine

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ketsugi•

Not that this'll make you feel much better, but if you'd been caught doing that in my country you'd receive a mandatory death penalty.

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clt829•

How many servings is that? Sounds like they got Intent to Distribute just from the amount you had. Way to much to ever be for personal use.

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[deleted]•

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[deleted]•

F U C K

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[deleted]•

Do you regret your involvement with illicit drugs? When you're released from prison, will you discontinue any involvement with illicit drugs?

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Atheist101•

jesus shitting dicks, what the fuck were you doing with 7 kg of coke? D:

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ProudOwnerOfaLaptop•

If I learned one thing from Shawshank Redemption is that what you never say what you in for. You're always innocent.

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Atheist101•

One more thing, listen to this song constantly till you fall asleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3L4spg8vyo&feature=related

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Phallic•

How lavish was your lifestyle prior to your arrest? I can only imagine dealing cocaine in kgs is going to buy you some pretty toys.

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youngluckOP•

Wasn't lavish at all... as I mentioned earlier, there is a common misconception that I was some big shot drug dealer. That wasn't the case.

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Cenelind•

Way to destroy other people's lives scumbag.

How would you feel if your kid ODs in 12 years.

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Stingray88•

Ahh, a bullshit 'crime'.

My condolences.

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munky9001•

How much did you pay for 7.6 KG of coke? wat like $50,000? I have no pity for you. I hope you get the full 10 years.

dont get me wrong.. i think all personal use -> small quantities should be totally legal... but not that much...

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youngluckOP•

I wasn't asking for your pity.

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rjstef•

Hope you rot. :)

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youngluckOP•

I won't... but thanks! :)

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rjstef•

You're aware you deserve what you get, right?

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shitsandwitch•

I really dont think nonviolent crimes should constitute prison time, although to be honest I really have no pitty for you. You sell coke and you know its illegal. This is what you get.

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youngluckOP•

Agreed. To be fair... I wasn't asking for your pity.

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shitsandwitch•

I assume this wasn't you first attempt to purchase. Have you been caught before?

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[deleted]•

You need to realize that LOTS of people die (bystanders too) in the cartel wars getting this shit up here.

It isn't a victimless crime. You are getting what you deserve. I hope you learn from it.

Read up on buddhism and you can be happy while in jail.

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youngluckOP•

I have not once in this thread, or any, claimed that any of this was victimless. Nor have I claimed that I don't deserve anything that comes my way...

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[deleted]•

You should read up on the concept of personal responsibility, especially how OP's actions did not cause the deaths that you speak of, therefore how you can't blame him and say he's getting "what he deserves".

If you're so interested in looking to apportion blame, then use your brain: The deaths you speak of, are ultimately caused by the politicians who pass laws that criminalize the drug trade, so if you had four functioning neurons working in concert, you would be directing your bile against the real assholes of the story, not some poor guy who got railroaded by the insanity that is the legal system.

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[deleted]•

He had a couple of kilos of cocaine. This isn't marijuana, it is cocaine. He was selling a hard drug that ruins lives. Cocaine is used in crack in case you didn't know.

The laws are correct with this type of drug. Maybe not for pot or mushrooms, but cocaine/heroin/meth - they are correct. Selling highly addictive drugs that lead to overdose deaths should lead to 10 years.

not some poor guy who got railroaded by the insanity that is the legal system.

You idiot.

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[deleted]•

So what you are saying equates to: Bank robbers that shoot people to escape are victims of the laws which force them to take the money by force.

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lay-z•

Almost nothing that we do is victimless, in this guys case there are just fewer steps between the bodies and his actions. Also, cartels battle with each other because drugs are illegal, and it's their only recourse for settling disputes. Rip on him for providing access to a substance that can ruin lives, not consequences of failed drug laws, which are just as much your fault as his.

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somekindofnewt•

crimes should be proportional. he did not commit 10 years of imprisonment worth of a crime. not at fucking all. 5 should have been the MAX.

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gordo65•

Trolling the Internet.

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Higgs-Bosun•

Good Luck, friend. I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. On July 29th my wife and I are going before a state judge who will be giving us both up to 20 years each. I'm shitting bricks already, and every day closer the bricks get more jagged.

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infrastructure•

Whoa whoa, what'd you guys do together?

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ninepound•

This may be dumb, but I thought it was a marriage joke.

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Raynb•

Almost makes sense. If he said Girlfriend or Fiancée than I would have to agree with you.

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breakneckridge•

Sorry to thread jack, but way down below he just posted a photo of him and his son, and everyone who's commenting on this page really needs to actually see his and his son's face before commenting.

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[deleted]•

The time limit on it is kind of contradicting that assumption, though. "Up to a life sentence" would be more appropriate for a joke.

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meinhyperspeed•

From this guy's comment history:

I'm 32, been married for 6.

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Scarker•

With added specification of when the divorce will be, because of 50% divorce rate.

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infrastructure•

Oh wow, not dumb at all... I feel like the dumb one for not seeing how obvious that joke is... it's just that he used "up to 20 years each" setting a definitive time which to me, throws me off from recognizing it as a marriage joke. Also he uses the word "wife"

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coned88•

well he said his wife, as in they are already married.

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RugerRedhawk•

Seriously, posting this comment and making no indication as to what the fucking crime is, seems completely useless.

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[deleted]•

How does knowing the crime become useful?

I think he's just here for the support.

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RugerRedhawk•

Perhaps 'useless' wasn't the right term, but in the world of internet discussions it seems useless. It's the equivalent to a thread about some woman's large tits, with no pictures.

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Quicksilver_Johny•

Yeah, seriously. Who'd they fuck?

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GvenezCrushnone•

Other than each other, that is...

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kobescoresagain•

He is getting married...

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JayDeee•

Anal...sphincter.

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joebleaux•

They can't charge a husband and wife for the same crime!

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kaden_sotek•

Yeah, I don't think that's true, dad.

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nerfcaltrops•

I have the worst fucking attorney...

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OsakaWilson•
<Nods head in sympathetic agreement>
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besst•

I am having a love-affair with this ice cream sandwich.

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youngluckOP•

Mom?

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glass-anteater•

if you dont mind me asking, what did you and your wife do?

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BoonTobias•

each other

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Unfa•
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the_prole•

And he got 69 points for that comment

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[deleted]•

[deleted]

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glass-anteater•

lol... how is that illegal?

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Theoneisis•

They were in the fruit aisle of their local Walmart.

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lungsoffire•

welcome to the internet.

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Yserbius•

I didn't know that marriage has a time limit.

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arichi•

Most marriages don't outlast the warranty on the wedding gifts.

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arkanus•

Which is especially true if someone gives you a Leatherman.

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shdwtek•

Yeah, me neither. Marriage is actually a bit tempting now.

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Codeblue74•

Yep: 'til death do you part. I've made sure my wife know, at death this ride is over.

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Epistaxis•

Actually there is a movement to introduce a "sunset clause," since people are living so long these days.

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[deleted]•

NOO We will never find the Higgs-Bosun!

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ajl_mo•

Note to self... The nick "Higgs-Bosun" may be available on Reddit after 7/29

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bekeleven•

"...And in addition to your other sentences, you are hereby forced to delete your reddit accounts. May god have mercy on your soul."

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_dustinm_•

What for? Though, it looks like you might fit in nicely.

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GuitarFreak027•

What did you do?

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[deleted]•

Run

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msdesireeg•

Jesus fucking Christ.

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trevdak2•

The redditor in me is very sad for you, but the particle physicist in me is ecstatic that we'll be able to observe and monitor the elusive Higgs-Bosun for up to 20 years.

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Kangaruan•

You, Sir, deserve a prize, may I make you a gift? Perhaps some Ice-Cream?

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trevdak2•

Really? I didn't think it was that funny... If you're serious, as a gift you could either draw me as a viking stabbing a gorilla with a pike, or donate $1 to a charity such as the ACLU or Red Cross or something.

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linsage•

you should AMA, too. You can't just leave us hanging like that!

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Higgs-Bosun•

I did an "Ask Reddit" when we were hoping that deportation for my wife was our biggest fear.

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zip117•

Relevant Link

He gives no details of why, except that they were charged with felonies.

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linsage•

:( I am really really sorry Higgs-Bosun. I hope the best for the two of you and I hope it all works out for the best.

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Higgs-Bosun•

Thank you.

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[deleted]•

So how'd the trial go?

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Higgs-Bosun•

No trial, We pleaded and will be sentenced.

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[deleted]•

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[deleted]•

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prezjordan•

this thread is full of whoosh.

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Bumslaw•

I don't even think that Joke made a sound as it passed through the ears of those individuals.

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watermark0n•

Errrr... what's the mandatory minimum? Are there sentencing guidelines? Surely you aren't likely to get 20 years?

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[deleted]•

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[deleted]•

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gjs278•

I hope you're going to jail for making this post and then not telling us what you did

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SpaizKadett•

You probably should have thought about that before doing whatever you did. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. And why you get so many upvotes is beyond me, does reddit now love criminals?

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Unbranded•

You need to look forward to the future. That future may be farther away than you wish, but there is still a future. You will be past this one day, and look NOW to move towards those better tomorrows.

This may sound like psycho-babble, but I do have a point to make. Even once you get out, your felony will follow you like a millstone around your neck. It is very hard for federal felons to get anything other than minimum-wage jobs. I'm aware of this because i'll shortly be pleading guilty to a fraud charge myself, and so will my wife. Our earning capacity will be more or less destroyed, and we will move in with my dad. Our son is three years old, and I am SO SO SO lucky that we can get this deal that won't take me away from him.

But we ARE concerned for our future, and I hope you are too. There is a current bill in Congress, HR 5492 The Fresh Start Act, which will finally allow non-violent federal offenders to get on with their lives.

In our case, once we are done with probation and have paid all fines and restitution, we may be able to apply for "expungement." That won't change our circumstances for the next few years, but for us it could make a gigantic difference in gaining meaningful employment in the future.

It could for you too. This bill would finally allow people who have "paid their debt to society" by serving their time/probation/fines to re-enter civil society. To become good, productive, tax-paying citizens again.

Here are the rules, in a nutshell:

  • Non-violent offenses, one-time only
  • Can apply for expungement only after all sentences served/satisfied
  • If denied, can re-apply every two years
  • If seven years have passed, expungement automatically granted. Note this is seven years AFTER sentence has been completed
  • EXCEPT: no auto-expungement for crimes over $10k, or for sex-related offenses (ex: indecent exposure)

I URGE you to reach out NOW, for yourself and your family, and support this legislation

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5492

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h5492/show

Write your representative(s) and ask them to co-sponsor. There are 17 sponsors already. NOW is the time to pass this legislation, there is unlikely to be a chance to do it later. This could help you personally a whole lot in the future, and will immediately help many, many people who really just want to get on with their lives and not be rejected for fast food jobs because they have to check "yes" on the application.

We as a society need to end the literal "life sentence" faced by people who have accepted responsibility for their actions, as you have.

The continuing, life-long stigmatization serves no-one, and hurts a great many people.

Please, write your Congressional representative right now

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/letterscongress.htm

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[deleted]•

I'm no expert, but I think 7.6kg of cocaine is more than $10k.

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Unbranded•

You're surely right, but the $10k limit applies to losses by the victim/s... and it only applies to financial crimes like fraud or embezzlement.

You also must have completed all restitution, so for example i doubt Bernie Madoff will ever qualify, as there's no way for him to pay back what he stole.

The $10k limit does not mean the person cannot get expungement, it just means it isn't automatic after seven years. The judge has to decide.

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[deleted]•

I see. That's a good thing.

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harsesus•

Yah... 120 dollars per gram is ruffly around the average the DEA uses as of 2007. Street product is usually about 65% pure, so we're talking ruffly 600k if its cut, or 900k pure.

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emanking•

Unfortunately (and this is probably not the case here) because some states have a tax law with drugs, you can also get into tax trouble if you sell drugs and don't buy these stamp thingys for your drugs. This is incredibly stupid and no one does it. The state usually doesn't charge a dealer for this though.

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eg90•

ALOT more. Well I know in britain one gram of coke is sold for £50. So 7600 grams would be £380,000. That works out as about $560,000. Obvioualy a gram could be cheaper over in the states, but I doubt it would be that much cheaper.

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harsesus•

Dead on balls... 120 USD per gram is ruffly around the average the DEA uses as of 2007+. Street product is usually about 65% pure, so we're talking ruffly 600k if its cut, or 900k pure.

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eg90•

Thats like 80 quid a gram! It must be some good coke out there.....

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Vitalstatistix•

Really it's $120? Jeeze. The DEA is getting ripped off. I can't say I've ever bought a bag for more than 70.

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[deleted]•

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creaturefear•

A gram of decent blow is about $60 where I'm from, so figure about $450,000 for 7.6 kilos.

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[deleted]•

not that it will matter, but what good is the street value of a substance to the police? Are they going to sell it on the black market? If not, i believe they will have a hard time getting a good price for cocain in a legal transaction, which means its only worth what someone is willing to legally buy it for, since its illegal, that sum is 0. Meaning coke is worthless to police.

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stijnb•

468,000 USD street value here.

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[deleted]•

No offense, but this will never pass.

The drug war and the prison complex is big business in this country. Think of all the cops and prison guards who would be put out of work if people could get out of prison and integrate into society! The system is designed so that once you are caught in it, you never leave.

Felon is the new N word.

Once you have that felony on your record, you can be discriminated against for employment, housing, government aid, you lose the right to vote, own guns, etc. You become a second class citizen.

The lawmakers arent going to change that anytime soon. Look at marijuana laws as an example. Polls show that people are in favor of ending the drug war, but the politicians rarely vote that way. In almost all the states the laws have only changed because of voter initiatives, or the threat of voters putting them on the ballot convinced state governments to pass their own, more restrictive laws to prevent ballot initiatives.

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Unbranded•

I fear that you are right, but not for the reasons you give.

This will not affect the "prison-industrial complex" in the least. The contract prisons will still get their inmates, and for just as long as before.

This bill only applies to people who have ALREADY been released from prison. So, hopefully the mighty financial interests of the prison industry will not be threatened.

You're so right about Felon being the new N word.

During introspective moments, i've marveled at the fact that I will now REALLY know what it's like to be discriminated against. I've always thought it was wrong, but now i'll get to walk that walk too.

ps: write your Rep anyway? even though?

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Igggg•

You don't understand. Preventing employment for those who were caught once significantly increases their chances of going back to prison again, so by refusing any meaningful reintegration into society, the prisons just ensure a lot of repeat customers.

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sarcasmtag•

The odds of someone going back after 7 years of no trouble are probably much lower (I'd wager, I'd need to look it up)

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MEME_MASTA•

The contract prisons will still get their inmates, and for just as long as before.

But the point above is that recidivism would be reduced -- the justice/prison industry relies on a large population of people that, once they've been branded as refuse, are effectively cut off from society and have no choice but to commit more crimes. Repeat business.

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BigDaddyJay•

"During introspective moments, i've marveled at the fact that I will now REALLY know what it's like to be discriminated against. I've always thought it was wrong, but now i'll get to walk that walk too."

I don't want to take away from your main point - I will definitely support this bill. But let's be honest. Discrimination as you are trying to delve into is reserved for those who have no control over what they are being discriminated against (Examples include race, ethinicty, etc).

You committed a crime and are going to pay for your actions. You could have not committed the crime. I'm not saying it's right that it follows you around, but discrimination (in the traditional sense) it is not.

Best of luck to you and your family.

** Edit to add proper quote, ala reddit style >

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[deleted]•

I do not think it is fair to discriminate against someone who has already "paid the debts to society" that he supposedly owed. If one believes that the justice system doles out punishment as a way of restituting debts to society, then one ought to be consistent in that belief and not discriminate against ex-cons. Or, one should be readily honest with oneself and just admit publicly that the justice system is, in one's view, a revenge mechanism to fuck up other people's lives.

My point is that one can't say "oh, we put people in prisons so they pay their debt to society", and not two sentences later, claim that it's okay to discriminate against those who have already paid their debt to society, as that would be a self-contradiction of humongous proportions.

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px403•

There are only few places in the US where a felon cannot vote. Laws differ from state to state on exactly what point in the incarceration/parole/probation process you regain the ability to vote.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

In those areas where felons can vote, I would encourage them to become politically active and fight for the rest of their rights.

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[deleted]•

Actually, only 2 states allow felons to vote while in prison. Also, the way the census works, is that people in prison are counted as living in the area they are incarcerated, and not the area they lived in before incarceration.

What this means, is that voters are taken away from the predominantly poor black areas of the country and given to places that have prisons (generally white, rural areas). These rural areas list a higher population for purposes such as redistricting of US representatives.

Also, your chart shows only 2 states allow people in prisons to vote, so I wouldnt say "There are only few places in the US where a felon cannot vote."

Not to mention, some states have a process available for people to restore their voting rights, but realistically most felons arent going to be either willing or able to complete the process.

Regardless, as someone famous once said, if voting really changed anything, it would be illegal.

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px403•

I didn't say an incarcerated felon. I'm pretty sure a felon is anyone who has ever committed a felony. I bring this up because it is a common belief that once someone has committed a felony, they no longer have the right to vote. A friend of a friend told me the other day that he has never voted, because he committed a felony as a teenager.

As you can probably guess, I disagree so much with your last statement that it hurts. For sure there are a lot of improvements that can be made in our electoral process, but as the flow of information increases, corruption dies off, and the system just becomes more and more fair. I can't wrap my head around that defeatist logic, it hurts everyone, but especially you.

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ex_ample•

I don't know we seem to be at a tipping point with Marijuana, even Sarah Palin says that police should put it on a low priority (if not completely decriminalize)

In fact the current "Drug Czar" has said we'll stop using the term "war on drugs" officially.

But this needs to accelerate.

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[deleted]•

you can be discriminated against for employment

I would not discriminate against a coke dealing felon when hiring for a sales position, maybe if he wanted to get into child care. I don't think it's as bleak as you make it sound.

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[deleted]•

Unfortunately most people do not share your enthusiasm for hiring felons. Where I used to work, the HR department would trash any application that had a felony on it. This was a factory in a very bad part of town. We actually had some interesting felons come in and apply. We had a guy who spent 20 years in prison for murder. Also we had a former prison doctor who went to prison for 5 years because he tried to hire an inmate to kill his ex-wife. (Interestingly enough, this was the second time one of her ex-husbands tried to murder her, lol)

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[deleted]•

If you're a murderer, perhaps BP is hiring.

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archaios7•

Cannot upvote enough, thank you for this info.

Reddit, this bill seems only fair -- Write your reps!

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Unbranded•

You don't know how happy it makes me to see this comment.

I hope, for youngluck's sake as well as my own and that of tens of thousands of other "Branded" people, that this legislation is passed.

Indeed, Please write your reps!

Thank you.

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/letterscongress.htm

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OverlordXenu•

I just wrote my rep.

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[deleted]•

ditto.

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sarcasmtag•

As a federal felon who only has one crime (for which I did time) on my record and no other trouble with the law for over 10 years during which time I've acquired a college degree and am looking at grad school, I really, really, really hope HR 5492 passes.

People who think checking "I'm a fucking federal felon" on their application doesn't impact job opportunities for life are fools. And the policy is ridiculous. One strike, you're out.

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[deleted]•

Yeah I'm pretty sure 7.6kg has a street value of upwards of 200 thousand dollars.

Speaking of cocaine, why is cocaine measured in kilograms, but marijuana measured in pounds?

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LausXY•

Coke is sold in grams, marijuana in ounces.

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rjmaggie•

A "brick" of coke is generally weighed out at one kilo and is shipped as such. A dealer of marijuana usually purchases in ounces which translate to pounds.

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xtom•

Cocaine comes into the country from places that use kilograms, Marijuana is(much more frequently) grown by people already in the states, which means it's measured in pounds.

It's easier to keep the weight units it was shipped in than it is to re-weigh everything.

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xtom•

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs21/21137/marijuana.htm

Most of the marijuana available in the domestic drug markets is lower potency commercial-grade marijuana--usually derived from outdoor cannabis grow sites in Mexico and the United States. However, an increasing, albeit unknown, percentage of the available marijuana is high potency (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)) marijuana derived from indoor, closely controlled cannabis cultivation in Canada and the United States. The rising prevalence of high potency marijuana is evidenced by a significant increase in average potency of tested marijuana samples, particularly since 1993 (see Figure 6). In fact, average potency of all tested samples has increased 52.4 percent (from 5.34 percent THC to 8.14 percent) just within the past 5 years. Rising prevalence of high potency marijuana is further evidenced by high seizures of Canada-produced marijuana (usually high potency marijuana) in U.S.-Canada border states since 2001 (see Figure 7), and rising eradication of indoor cannabis grow sites in the United States that typically produce high potency marijuana (see Table 4). The trend toward increased higher potency marijuana as a percentage of the marijuana available overall appears likely to continue. Most recent Government of Canada estimates indicate that production in Canada was increasing significantly and had more than doubled from 2000 through 2004, the most recent data available.

This was done a few years ago, and given all the medicinal states that have appeared since then(and the Feds backing off California) I'd bet nowadays a huge chunk is domestic.

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[deleted]•

Non-violent offenses... does this include sex crimes? I'm all on board so long as sex offenders cannot get expungement.

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Unbranded•

Well, it is ONLY for non-violent offenses...

So, i'm pretty sure the sex crimes you're thinking of (rape, child molestation, assault, etc) are outright excluded.

What it does allow, is for a judge (in the same District Court that the conviction happened in), to make a decision about whether to grant expungement to someone convicted of a "sex crime." The AUSA (prosecutor) gets to oppose the request. There is no automatic expungement for any sex crime.

What you may not realize is that there are many quite innocuous things that are federal sex crimes. For example, a marathon runner who relieves herself in a national park during a race can convicted of a sex crime. All sorts of public exposure and other things can be and are classified as sex crimes.

That's not to say that violent offenses will ever be expunged. They will not. ALL sex offenses must be reviewed and decided by a judge. Even public urination.

Also, remember that this is the stage of the legislation during which YOU can influence it. If you feel that this is a good bill, but that no 'sex offenders' should ever be allowed, tell your Congressman. This is the time when the bill is shaped.

Let your voice be heard.

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heyheyathrowaway•

Thanks for posting about this. I know I've been very lucky in that the industry and area I'm in has made my transition from prison camp to white collar world very easy, but I know I'm very much the exception to the rule.

I'll be telling friends and family about this in hopes that it will get a bit more attention.

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MEME_MASTA•

That is a very rational, humane, and intelligent proposal. And a proposal that does not appear to be motivated by additional profit for corporate executives and large entities.

But, unfortunately, that means it won't pass. It's hard to have faith that congress would ever do the right thing, simply because it is the right thing. And the potential downside is that it looks "soft on crime." So if there's no money in it, and there's a downside, it seems doomed.

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Unbranded•

Well, there's always what remains of "the will of the people".... and Congress does care about being re-elected.

Hence, people writing in CAN help. It may be a doomed, futile effort.... but maybe not. This bill has 17 sponsors right now. Previous versions maxed out at two (2).

Congress is as likely to pass this right now as it's been in a long, long time. And it will probably be even longer before the conditions are better than now. So, if you haven't....

Please take a minute and tell your Representative, as opposed to Reddit, that you think it's a good idea.

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munky9001•

You do the crime. You do the time. That means frenchfry line at mcdonalds the rest of your life.

The law is proposed because people arent satisfied with minimum wage and go right back to fraud. When perhaps they wouldnt if they could hold a real job.

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[deleted]•

Since I know several people whose lives have been severely fucked up by hard drugs (and who had families that got severely fucked up because of it), I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing.

Kudos for believing in personal responsibility, however. Keep in mind that if you get 10 years but are a model prisoner, you will not actually spend 10 years behind bars. Prisons are overcrowded; you will get paroled.

My advice? Write to your son every day. Don't have to mail a letter every day, but every day write something down for him. You aren't going to be there to raise him for a while. And it's not like you're going to be leading a fast-track existence in the can... so think about all the things a father should tell his son, and say them.

Remember that he is going to blame you for not being there... don't try to make excuses, or talk about your high motives (helping a friend, etc), just acknowledge that it was wrong (regardless of your opinions on the rightness of drug laws, the fact was you had a son yet risked committing a crime worth 10 years). I know lots of kids with parents in prison and any excuses just make things much worse.

Anyway, good luck. Your life isn't over.

My questions:

How old is your son? What does he think about all this?

What will you teach your son about drugs?

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youngluckOP•

My son is 6. He only knows that I will be going away for a while, and that I will be writing him constantly, and calling. I don't want him to visit me. I don't want him to see me in a state that he may later on grow up to think is OK to be in.

What will I teach him about drugs? That's like asking Bernie Madoff what he will teach his grandkids about investing. I'm no hypocrite, I am not qualified to teach anybody anything on drugs. Other than don't risk a decade of your prime dealing them.

I hope you don't get downvoted. You're allowed your opinion on drug related sentencing. Even though I whole heartedly disagree. In the federal system, parole is no longer available. You do your time. Private contractors get their money. You go home.

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broshades•

I'm no hypocrite, I am not qualified to teach anybody anything on drugs.

On the contrary, you're probably more qualified than anyone else. Growing up, my mom did a lot of drugs. She's probably done everything you can think of, and for a good portion of my life she was a coke addict. When I was old enough to get curious about drugs (13-15ish, I guess) she started telling me about her experiences. To this day, she's told me about good and bad highs, how she thinks drugs contributed to her divorce with my father and her fucked up financial situation and a lot more. And it's this kind of stuff that I value the most.

Think about it; who would you listen to more? A teacher/PSA telling you "No, never try it" or a parent that you know was involved in drugs telling you "Hey, I was there. This is a bad idea."

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Vijchti•

Same with my mother. When I was growing up I asked what cocaine was like, so she brought over her best friend who lost her fortune and her nasal septum to the drug. I asked what LSD was like, so she told me how she accidentally took quadruple her normal dose once and tripped out for days, terrified and tortured by everything.

Everything was open to me from a knowledgeable source. She did her best to scare the shit out of me with her stories of how it could all go wrong, but once that was out of the way she told the complete truth.

Best drug PSA ever. It didn't keep me away from drugs, but it made me much more cautious and aware.

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broshades•

Exactly. The key is to be open; don't hold anything back. My mom told me all the horrible stuff first, but in later years went on to tell me that experimentation is normal but that I should always be aware.

To this day, the only "drug" I've tried is alcohol. No cigarettes, no weed, no anything. I've just had no desire to.

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orangesunshine•

Pretty much everything is OK in moderation. Some of it might even be good for you.

Though I don't think America's drug problem is nearly as bad as its issue with these:

http://imgur.com/TnaVY

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myhandleonreddit•

The other response could be "how the fuck would I know what cocaine is like? I'm your mom; decent people don't do that shit."

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Sugarat•

I believe you are uniquely and eminently qualified to educate people about the dangers of drugs.

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coleman57•

no, according to DARE, the person to educate people about drugs are cops. notice how successful that program has been.

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ladyskins•

Yup, I won the DARE jacket a week before I (and my other "gifted class" classmates) was/were put into in-school suspension for an indeterminate amount of time. Until we admitted our mistakes and apologized, I guess; I don't know. I told them that I did nothing wrong and that I was, after all, the county DARE winner! I stayed in suspension until the end of the school year.

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thephotoman•

You can teach your child about drugs from personal experiences. Tell him that while it can be fun in the right company, it's also incredibly dangerous and illegal (and yeah, some of the danger associated with recreational drug use comes from its extralegality).

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sje46•

This is surely an unpopular opinion, but I don't think it's good to encourage kids to do any drugs at all. Marijuana may or may not be a gateway drug, and is certainly not that bad a drug at all. It can, however, make you into a burnout, a lazy slob. Not just when you're high, but in general. Would I be disappointed in my son for smoking weed? Not really, I don't think. But I'd prefer if he found other ways to be happy that didn't take up all his money, could encourage him to try harder drugs, put him in contact with bad people (dealers and harder drug users), put him in legal and employment risk, etc. I don't think it's really healthy to encourage kids to turn to chemicals to be happy. At least not till he's an adult and can make more educated decisions.

I don't even like the idea of alcohol =/

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_quickdrawmcgraw_•

Did you turn into a burnout and a slob from smoking weed, or are you just generalizing from the handful of experiences you've had with people who did?

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DF7•

While I disagree with a lot of things you say, this line holds a lot of truth:

I don't think it's really healthy to encourage kids to turn to chemicals to be happy.

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todoPasa•

I have a lot of experience dealing with kids while being on the inside, feel free to PM me.

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JEH225•

when i first read that it sounded dirty. then i felt bad.

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hostergaard•

this is one of the reasons I don't believe in punishment; It rarely only affect the "criminal".

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wegwerfen•

Speaking of Bernie Madoff. He is currently in FCI Butner medium in NC. Butner also has low sec. Article written about him on June 6 here, Doesn't sound like too bad a place as far as prisons go.

Best of luck to you. hang in there.

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fprintf•

The little dude is going to be 16 and driving by the time he gets out. Holy shit, all the changes in his son's life, i cannot imagine missing those years with my kids. In a sense, 6 - 14 are the best years - they are independent enough (no longer babies) and not yet old enough to be crappy angsty teenagers. Sorry but I don't think there is a right answer here.

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HereBeDragons•

You may not want him to see you that way, but will you really deprive your son of the opportunity to know you and your thoughts in person? You need to converse with him in person over time, otherwise you might feel like a stranger since you're starting to understand how he communicates too late.

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youngluckOP•

I know, I've thought about it long and hard... and I just don't want him growing up thinking it's OK to go to jail because Daddy did. Kinda wanna stop the cycle with me... I remember my Dad being in and out a lot growing up, and subconsciously it may have led to me taking risks I otherwise should have been more fearful of.

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girkabob•

Actually seeing you in there may dissuade him from getting into trouble later on, even more than if he just hears about you being in jail. If you just go away for a while and come back seemingly unscathed, he may not think it's that bad.

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cynoclast•

RE: Morality.

The morality of drugs is a matter of personal opinion. And as such I won't even voice my own. It's not relevant.

However, you have a six year old son and [were looking to buy cocaine]? (Substitute any kind of action that could put you in jail)

If it's not immoral, it's certainly stupid. Not because of the drugs in particular, but doing something that has a high risk of getting you taken away from your son.

edit: leftover word from pre-post editing

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youngluckOP•

Agreed. 100%... stupidest shit I've ever done. You will not in this thread, or any other, hear me arguing against that fact.

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nhall06•

May I also add that there are schooling programs available to well behaved prisoners. I don't know what sort of program your prison is going to offer but I would highly suggest looking into it. If for nothing better than to pass the time. Good luck, I hope you receive something meaningful from this experience.

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sarcasmtag•

Let him visit. Not wanting him to visit is a selfish (though completely understandable) impulse. As far as the lessons it'll teach, I think visiting in prison can serve as a really good lesson.

You're allowed your opinion on drug related sentencing.

You do get probation though. And good time. It allows you to get out earlier than the sentence and spend a period of time in a 1/2 way house. Let me tell you, it's a breath of fresh air. So don't knock it too hard.

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adoaboutnothing•

Let him visit.

Yes, please, let him visit. I'm 20. I hardly remember anything from when I was 6. If you don't let him visit you, by the time he's 16 he won't remember you. That's not fair for either of you.

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Infectthefrets•

I admire you, good sir. I hope that one day I can achieve your moral responsibility, generosity, loyalty, and down-to-earth view on the world. I would never get involved in drugs of any kind (your story fortifies this belief), but your character is absolutely remarkable - hell, inspiring.

Basically, I wish you luck. Keep in touch with the world when you're in there, nobody wants you to to get... institutionalized in there.

-17 year old kid.

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roccodog34•

What is this?

-12 year old kid

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Infectthefrets•

I don't understand why somebody would downvote me because I said that I was 17. I wanted the OP to realize that he had impacted the life of somebody young. /rant.

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dayna-mite•

but your character is absolutely remarkable - hell, inspiring.

Agreed.

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[deleted]•

Just posting to say I don't agree with these other people badmouthing your opinion of what hard drugs can do to others who are related to the user, this does destroy families. I know it destroyed mine close to a decade ago and things will never be the same again for anyone in it.

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[deleted]•

I'm not badmouthing his opinion. Alcohol can destroy lives just like cocaine can. In fact I personally know more people who have suffered serious consequences and even died as a result of alcohol abuse vs. cocaine, and I grew up in a fucked up place where people can afford drugs before they can afford good judgement.

But I would never say "You know, we should put that asshole Peter Coors into jail"

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ohstrangeone•

That's not what they're disagreeing with, they're saying that the fact that those drugs are illegal makes it worse, and that this guy getting sent to prison isn't helping anyone, isn't saving anyone, and isn't right. And I agree: hard drugs can really fuck someone up, and they should not be illegal because doing that just makes the problem worse.

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file-exists-p•

Anybody with a relative killed or seriously injured in a car accident can make the same comment to a car dealer.

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fprintf•

AMA about your experiences using these substances please?

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Pufflekun•

Since I know several people whose lives have been severely fucked up by hard drugs (and who had families that got severely fucked up because of it), I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing.

And them being fucked up is the fault of the drug dealer how, exactly?

Saying that a drug dealer should go to jail because people who bought drugs from him got addicted them is like saying that the man who runs your local liquor store should go to jail because someone who bought alcohol from him became an alcoholic.

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bingosherlock•

I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing.

I don't see why somebody like you who has been personally affected by this issue wouldn't want to see the system changed for the better. Is there a reason you'd rather perpetuate the failure that our current approach to drug legislation is instead of actually helping people?

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cornerbodega•

Since I know several people whose lives have been severely fucked up by hard drugs

I don't think drugs are responsible for their lives being fucked up, I think it's the people using/misusing them.

edit: and I certainly don't think it's at all the fault of the person trying to make a buck by moving/selling said drugs. People are individually responsible for the effects of their actions on themselves and their families.

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overtoke•

your several acquaintances were victims of prohibition, not victims of a substance or of themselves.

and good fellow you must be to just sit there and watch it happen to them instead of helping.

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wootup•

"I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing"

Let's be rational for a moment here. How many people have been killed by police or gotten caught up in violent drug feuds that are a direct result of prohibition? How many people have died not because of drugs itself but because the drugs were produced by street gangs and were of an impure nature (ie. most of the ecstasy found on the streets), or because they needed help but were afraid if they asked for it they would be arrested? Look at it this way: alcohol used to be prohibited and during that time its production and distribution were taken over by gangs, and violent shootings and beatings ensued... Once prohibition ended, so did the gang-related violence around alocohol; after all, when was the last time you saw someone from Coors do a drive-by shooting on someone from Bacardi? The violence is almost exclusively from prohibition, not the drugs themselves. With that said, let's look at drugs themselves. Some have documented negative effects, not unlike alcohol, tobacco, or the vast majority of prescription drugs... And not unlike most of the processed fatty foods that the average American subsides on. For most people, these negative effects are reason enough to stay away from most drugs, or to use them only in moderation. For the tiny minority of people who lack self-control and become addicts, obviously they need help in the form of detox and rehab, among broader social support to overcome their addictions. Prohibition doesn't provide that support and aid, it just gives drug addicts one more thing to worry about (the legal system).

Now let's think about the social and psychological effects of prohibition-related imprisonment. In the United States, somewhere in the vicinity of 2 million people are in prison (the highest numbers in the world in both prison population and per capita imprisonment), about half of whom are in for nonviolent drug offenses like the OP. These are all human beings just like you and I who need freedom, access to family/friends, and access to nature to enjoy a healthy existence. Prison deprives them of that and provides a virtual guarantee of mental health issues. It also deprives the prisoners' families (like the OP's son) from enjoying the company and guidance of their parents which they should rightfully have throughout their adolescence. The criminological effects of this mass imprisonment is that the children of convicts are, unfortunately, more likely to wind up being convicts themsleves; thus, the destructive prison cycle continues.

I live in Canada, and though people here often complain that the prison system is too lenient, the truth is that leniency "works". We have astronomically smaller violent crime rates than the United States, an astronomically smaller prison population, and a social safety net that provides a way out for people in crisis so that they don't need to turn to crime (ie. public health care, etc.). The American system is violent, oppressive, and in turn breeds a violent and oppressive society as a whole.

With these things in mind, I think the fact that you would openly tell a man facing a decade of imprisonment for a victimless crime that he "deserves" his looming fate is absolutely disgusting. I hope that you yourself some day wind up in front of a judge with a decade of your life about to be stolen from you by the government, simply so that you can understand first-hand the pain and anguish that the prohibitionist policies you support have wrought upon millions of others.

TL;DR You are an asshole with a naive schoolboy's understanding of drug prohibition.

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GarretJax•

I can't believe you're being down voted.

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[deleted]•

Since I know several people whose lives have been severely fucked up by hard drugs (and who had families that got severely fucked up because of it),

I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing. Kudos for believing in personal responsibility, however.

Too bad your friends never demonstrated the personal responsibility that you praise this guy for.

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[deleted]•

Exactly, if hard drugs are so dangerous and irresistible, how could he posses 7.6 kilograms of Cocaine yet resist to use it?

If they are so bad, how come the only way cocaine fucked up his life is because of the laws?

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[deleted]•

That's true.

(Oh, you probably thought I didn't blame them, because I can only blame either the drug users or the drug dealers? That's stupid though.)

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[deleted]•

Oh, you probably thought...

No, I didnt.

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[deleted]•

I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

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pfunkmunk•

Will his serving ten years provide your acquaintances with the self control needed to resist drug addiction? I have family members that have had their life destroyed by diabetes, think Mr. Goodbar should be sent to jail for ten years?

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[deleted]•

Since I know several people whose lives have been severely fucked up by hard drugs (and who had families that got severely fucked up because of it), I have to say that I don't disagree with the sentence you're facing.

You're a fucking idiot. People fuck their lives up in all sorts of ways. The idea that this particular way (hard drugs) somehow merits putting a person in a steel cage for a decade is so stupid and wrong it makes me sick to my stomach to realize people like you actually exist.

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[deleted]•

Yeah, I knew someone like you would say something like that.

Fortunately, I don't give a shit. Your opinion means nothing compared to the real, demonstrable harm I have witnessed. But when reality doesn't fit with your ideology, scrap reality, right? Do you also believe the free market is the answer to all economic problems? That's another thing that works great in theory.

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Aikidi•

At what point do you assign personal responsibility to the drug addict? These drug dealers aren't evil people holding your friends hostage, your friends are junkies who are buying a product. No one thinks that fast food managers should go to jail for killing people every year with their fatty food.

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[deleted]•

The fun thing about responsibility is that there is always enough to go around. Blaming a drug dealer doesn't take ANY blame off the dumbasses that destroy their own lives. It's not a zero-sum game.

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smort•

Hard drugs aren't like normal things your purchase or do stupid / risky things with.

Heroin is basically poison for your life and I doubt that anybody know uses Heroin for multiple years and looks back would do it again. The only reason people start Heroin is because they are not aware of the risks (or are into heavy drugs already).

Heavily addicting drugs change your brain. It's like they implant a little parasite into your head screaming feed me!.

That is why I am still a supporter of banning the sale drugs. There are just too few upsides to completely legalizing heroin.

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[deleted]•

He never does, it doesn't fit with his ideology.

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videogamechamp•

Your real demonstrative harm was caused by stupid people. I guarantee that in all but the most awesome of circumstances, the drug sat there until somebody used it, it didn't jump off the table, into a bloodstream, and empty bank accounts into the gutter. Stupid people did.

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[deleted]•

Your opinion means nothing compared to the real, demonstrable harm I have witnessed.

Self-inflicted harm. Is it really necessary to state that people should not be punished for harming themselves?

Do you also believe the free market is the answer to all economic problems? That's another thing that works great in theory.

What a surprise. A drug prohibitionist hates free markets. Shocking.

Note that in a free market for drugs this guy wouldn't be going to prison. In fact, one of the best arguments for a free market in drugs is that assholes like you are neutralized.

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[deleted]•

What a surprise. A drug prohibitionist hates free markets. Shocking.

Haha, I actually like the idea of a free market quite a lot. I just don't think it works, entirely, in practice. Read up on, say, the fight for safe milk to prevent children dying of cholera in New York. The free market sure wasn't going to solve that one. They used to add chalk to milk to make it white when it came out light blue due to the cows' horrible (but cheap) diets.

Believing in some restrictions doesn't mean I don't believe in the free market, any more than being okay with criminalizing threats to the President's life mean I don't believe in free speech. I just don't as an absolute.

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breakneckridge•

Why do you have to be such an asshole? I agree with the idea in your comment, but I have to downmod it because you're being an asshole. Next time try making your point without personally insulting people.

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[deleted]•

Because he needs to be insulted, and I'd say it right to his ugly face. This guy is advocating that a person be placed in a prison cell for ten years! For what? For the "crime" of harming no one.

The whole idea of criminalizing plants and certain chemicals people use to get high is nothing but stupid, deep-seated religious bigotry. Fuck him and fuck anyone else who supports the goddamn drug war.

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breakneckridge•

Right, and insulting people is certainly the way to change their hearts and minds. Hell, the more you insult him for simply expressing his honest thoughts and opinions, then the more you're actually making me sympathize with his position. (even though I am naturally very opposed to his position.)

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Aikidi•

Yeah, this is like thinking cake-bakers deserve jail because obesity fucks up people's lives.

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[deleted]•

Because obese people sell their kids' bikes to buy cakes, and forget to pick them up from school because they are home eating cakes, and abuse their kids because their minds have been altered by sugar. Shit, maybe they do, but it sure as hell isn't equivalent.

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Aikidi•

What about the owners of Annheuser Busch and Miller?

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videogamechamp•

Good. Luckily child abuse is illegal, prosecute people on that.

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TheGreatFuzz•

Why didn't you snitch?
Fear? honor?

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youngluckOP•

Nothing as romantic as fear and honor... Kind of a combination of 2 things: Personal Responsibility, in that you understand the consequences of what you do before you do it, and if that's the hand life deals you, you play it. Or you put a gun to your head and fold... The second thing is that there really wasn't anybody to snitch on. My particular crimes buck stopped with me. I could of made some shit up about someone else (which they encouraged me to do), or setup some poor shmuck who was running, just to put another notch on a feds belt, but for what? 3 years off of a 10 year bid? Is that worth completely destroying someone else's life over? It didn't equate.

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TheGreatFuzz•

Honor it is then. Good man.

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[deleted]•

And that there really wasn't anybody to snitch on :-)

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harsesus•

Good man? /facepalm

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artrea•

Yeah people who commit felonies tend to be really great, honorable people.

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youngluckOP•

Refusing to go fight in a War, because killing people is against your beliefs, is a felony.

EDIT: I'm not equating that with my crime, but using the flag "felon" as a measurement of a mans greatness or honor is invalid.

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[deleted]•

Depends on the felony, jackass.

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Bumslaw•

If distributing drugs, for profit is fit to be considered a felony, the the Unite States Government should get 10,000 years for their part (in my opinion).

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codepoet•

Tend to? No way to know. Can be? Yes.

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videogamechamp•

They can be when the crimes don't represent the people.

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Starguard•

Sounds like you'd make a good friend.

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youngluckOP•

I'm loyal as fuck. Maybe when I get out, Ill buy you a beer.

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Starguard•

Maybe I'll buy you a beer once you get out

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Iamthebest•

Thanks for not snitching man, from a like minded person. Its always good to hear of people who don't snitch and take the wrap for what they do.

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ourmet•

Loyalty is quality EVERYONE respects. Even cons.

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BoonTobias•

As someone who is trying to kick the habit, i must confess i went back to it yesterday and i salute brave souls like you who provide a service to people. Good luck.

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[deleted]•

If you can make it to the boarder, I'll give you a place to stay if you buy me beer.

I wouldn't -recommend- that though.

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[deleted]•

Just make sure not to get raped in federal prison. Quick question, why is this federal and not state?

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Imsparks•

You may be a rotten criminal in the fed's eyes, but to me you'd be a great friend. Upvotes; maybe in ten years' time there'll be some sort of upvote-interest.

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[deleted]•

Don't you mean Toilet Merlot?

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[deleted]•

Yep, that's what always happens.

2 weeks after becoming "friends" you are a coke-addict completely dependent on his supply and you will pay every price...

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Starguard•

I haven't even tried his shit yet and I'm already hooked!

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ropers•

I could of made some shit up about someone else (which they encouraged me to do)

W.T.F.?!?

setup some poor shmuck who was running, just to put another notch on a feds belt, but for what? 3 years off of a 10 year bid? Is that worth completely destroying someone else's life over? It didn't equate.

Nevermind the drug crime, that's some pretty strong evidence that you actually are a man of honour right there.

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youngluckOP•

Yeah, they basically created their own version of what happened, and then asked me to corroborate. Which I wouldn't do. That's like me refereeing a game and an entire team fouling another team, and then me calling foul on the the team that was fouled. Horse Feces.

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Steamster•

you, sir, should have a long sit down with Mr. Koman Coulibaly.

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carrionfeast•

I think I saw something like that in a World Cup game.

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McDLT•

Yeah so you just sold some drugs to people while the feds wanted to ruin someone's life by having you falsely imprison someone. Who's the real criminal here...

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ropers•

Party 1: Was doing bad things, was being a criminal and aware of it and determined to face the consequences, and not willing to shift the blame even though it could have greatly benefited them.

Party 2: Professes to be "the law", the "good guys", and is regarded as that by many members of the public -- and it was this very party which abused that power by trying to create a bogus case against an innocent man and trying to pressure someone they had on the hook into framing an innocent person. And for no good reason, other than having another "success" on their file.

Both parties did something bad and clearly criminal. But it's pretty clear who has the stronger moral compass. At least one party self-identifies as a criminal. There's nothing worse than a bad guy who self-identifies as a good guy.

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[deleted]•

whether you believe in karma or not, this was an honorable act and the right thing to do. despite your crimes, I wish you all the best and sincerely hope that karma does reward you for your kindness.

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Klayy•

what crimes?

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bcisme•

Not to be a jerk or anything, but isn't the very definition of a crime when you break a law? I'm sure even he would agree that he committed a crime. It may not be one that we agree with, but there is no debating the fact that he made a decision to do something that was against the law and carried a stiff penalty.

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[deleted]•

bein awesome. you're guilty too!

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Leighbra•

Karma rewards us for being accountable for our own actions?

Hasn't karma has already acted here, by him serving time?

Not detracting from his stand-up guy & mature comments here, but are we so fucked up as a nation now that people accepting the consequences of their premeditated actions is worthy of 72 virgins? ...Sorry, forget I asked...

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[deleted]•

I was specifically referring to the fact that he didn't turn anyone in or invent stories to shorten his own sentence.

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flaneuric•

Kudos to you somehow.

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[deleted]•

You are both a gentleman and a scholar.

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jayisthedank•

You are an honorable man, thank you

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Aikidi•

Without trying to criticize too much a situation I don't fully understand, I bet those extra three years start looking pretty long towards the end of year seven.

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dr_jan_itor•

he'll likely be out on parole by then.

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ex_ample•

You ever see the movie "layer cake" where a guy meets someone who snitched (basically) on him and put him in jail for 10 years. Basically the snitch is all broke and the guy who got of jail is all well dressed and successful.

Pretty entertaining scene.

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youngluckOP•

Must watch this movie.

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UnderdogIS•

Game theory works? HOLY SHIT!

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[deleted]•

In your face game theory.

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arkanus•

Fairness is found in animals. There seems to be an adaptive advantage to establishing a precedent of rejecting unfair offers even if accepting them marginally improves your position. Mainly because if you establish it well enough no one will even bother trying to screw you into accepting an offer.

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sarevok9•

That sounds more like honor to me, unless you were cultivating your own coke (and let's face it, you weren't) there was someone else above you. I speak from experience in saying that you probably wouldn't want to rat out someone that major or else you'd be spending the rest of your life in witness protection...

Good man though... you did the right thing. I got my ass ratted on 8 ways til sunday, it was fucking horrible... ruins your trust in humanity when someone will send you upriver to save their own ass... if EVERYONE stayed solid, they would've had fuckall and one kid would've ended up with 90 days for stolen license plates and an expired registration, instead he rolled over on two people when then rolled over on everyone else. In total the state got about 100 years of jailtime out on us (about 85 years of it being 'concurrent' sentencing, so we'll be fucked if we ever land in front of a judge again) because one fucking kid rolled. It's disgusting.

You seem pretty ace, loyalty is a hard quality to find...good on you.

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Jensaarai•

How does it feel knowing you're more honorable than the people who are about to imprison you?

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[deleted]•

You could have got three years off for ruining someone elses life? I would have snapped their hand off for that offer. Three years is not an insignificant amount of time, in fact, it's 6 or 7% of your remaining life span.

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[deleted]•

in that you understand the consequences of what you do before you do it

Then you acted deliberately, which makes things even worse. I can't blame people for having no sympathy for a person who wants to fuck people up.

Is that worth completely destroying someone else's life over?

Well, I don't know, maybe you will help addicts who lose a source of the shit they need and consider therapy, thereby helping more people than you destroyed?

Not making accusations, just want to hear thoughts on this.

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quapki•

Not all drug users are drug addicts. There are plenty of people who do a wide assortment of drugs responsibly after doing their homework and buying from a consistant trusted source. Not everyone is selling mom's TV for another hit. In fact, I'd say that is a very rare case.

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maybe you will help addicts who lose a source of the shit they need and consider therapy

If you understand the lucrative profit margins of (hard) drug dealing, and the recklessness of underprivileged youth, you'll understand why, despite illegality, finding a supply is never a problem.

Also, seeing local cocaine distribution as a market that would take a substantial hit from the loss of a few kilos is incredibly naive. Estimated yearly cocaine consumption in the U.S. is 300 metric tons. That's 5,700 kilos a day.

To think that anyone, even in a small town, couldn't find coke because one guy got popped for a few keys is absurd.

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topper51•

more people should upvote this

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youngluckOP•

My supplier was who ended up ratting on me. And no, 3 years is not just 3 years. You also have to factor in the time whoever you lie on serves, and their kids. So lying on someone who has previous convictions could very well make 3 years 25. What kind of horse shit is that? Also, I don't plan on "throwing" any of these years away...

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lightheat•

Did your snitch supplier get convicted? What's he looking at for ratting you out?

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Arcturus519•

I feel sorry for your friends

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JudgeHolden•

I don't think he's worried about Bubba "looking at him like fresh meat." A guy who refuses to snitch gets respect from the beginning. That alone won't be enough, but the same guy almost always has a strong personality to go along with their strong convictions which very much is not consistent with the profile of most victims.

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hitlerwasright•

You should've snitched on a cop. Said you got the dope from him.

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Christiaaan•

"My supplier?"

Deep breath. Straight face.

"Sarah Palin."

Problem solved.

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youngluckOP•

Lying on a cop, to me, is worse than snitching on a drug dealer. We, as a community, are trained to hate those that regulate us... but a lot of them do their job as best they can. Some do abuse their badge... for that they should serve life. But the ones that wake up to protect us... they are heroes.

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hitlerwasright•

Some do abuse their badge... for that they should serve life

Well.. the law says the opposite. A cop abusing their badge is treated as a less serious crime because they're an insider.

EDIT: Also, a cop would not hesitate to lie in order to convict an innocent person

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pahncrd•

As long as they enforce anti-freedom prohibition idealogies, they will continue to be the enemies of anyone truly interested in freedom and individual rights.

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arkanus•

Snitching on an innocent cop seems to me to be exactly as bad as snitching on an innocent bystander. They are both innocent people at the end of the day and what they do from 9-5 seems irrelevant to the level of injustice.

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arichi•

Or the D.A.. I used to buy my drugs from a former D.A..

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Anth741•

If you really know a D.A. I have a very related question I would appreciate you asking him for me..

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coned88•

who talks? especially to the cops.

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papadelicious•

because you should never fucking snitch.

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sopht•

How did you get caught?

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youngluckOP•

Reverse Sting...

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[deleted]•

...noitatidem a sa sdrac eht slaed eH

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youngluckOP•

Exceptionally played.

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reddithatesjews12•

redit really hates jews, the admins banned my account again.. this is the 11th time, only for stating that reddit is racist against jews and standing up to emotionally biased assumptions

u should run away and commit an act that supports a movement to get as much attention as possible, then commit suicide

coming out of jail at 40 means ur too old to accomplish your dreams, might as well die anyway and saves you the pain of being in jail

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frnak•

Before I saw what you did I was like "What is this? Latin?" (read in a Zoolander voice)

EDIT: And I actually studied latin for years, so it was more like "Dude, your latin is all sorts of messed up!"

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Mathochistic•

Same thing happened to me :)

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duzykutas1•

Well bowled sir, well bowled

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ourmet•

Not only does Sting make good albums; I am told he is also a good digger.

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[deleted]•

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youngluckOP•

So a Sting is when the Gov is the buyer, trying to catch big suppliers. A reverse Sting is when The Government is the big supplier. They set up the crime for you to commit...

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dracovich•

how is that not entrapment?

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sleepyj910•

can you describe the arrest? Was it like the movies where you sell and they go 'swarm swarm swarm'?

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HairyToeKnuckles•

Is that not entrapment?

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[deleted]•

It's never illegal when the people in power do it, right?

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[deleted]•

What's the point of that? Isn't the point to get someone like you, and make them turn on the Big Supplier? Looks like you got picked up for some numbers game bullshit.

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ifatree•

aren't all coke deals "reverse stings" that just mostly don't lead to arrests, then? the government is the supplier of ALL coke in the US. don't act new. ;)

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ex_ample•

That seems like a huge waste of time. Even if you were the biggest opponent of drugs, how does this help? All it does is put people in jail who aren't actual drug dealers.

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abomb999•

When the gov is the buyer they're trying to catch the big suppliers. When they are the big suppliers, they're trying to catch the small time dealers.

It's easier this way. It's too hard for Big Brother to catch the real suppliers, so they catch a couple of guys like this every so often and they can justify all the billions that go into the War on Drugs.

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whatyousay69•

Isn't that entrapment and not allowed?

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mva•

Well THAT is fucked up.

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TooSmugToFail•

And how exactly did they set you up?

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[deleted]•

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tiedye420•

Gnits?

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RabidRaccoon•

Didn't he play ahtuaR-dyeF in enuD?

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breakneckridge•

What the heck is a reverse sting?

EDIT:
I found this link. Is this what you're talking about? So if I understand this correctly, you're saying that the cops went undercover posing as a big time distributor, and you tried to buy a huge quantity of drugs from them. Is that what you mean?

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youngluckOP•

When the government sets up the crime for you to commit. As opposed to you committing a crime and them watching to catch you.

Sting=A Cop catching a prostitute that's already peddling her ass on the street.

Reverse Sting = A cop pretending to be the prostitute in an effort to catch Johns.

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breakneckridge•

Thanks for the info. Too bad you couldn't get off on an entrapment defense.

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Ienpw_III•

At first I read this as "Did you get caught"

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SoBoredAtWork•

Sounds like a pretty innocent comment to me - I don't know why you're getting so many downvotes. I thought it was kinda funny. Have an upvote.

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kurin•

Wow, dudes really hate your (funny) comment. Come on, hivemind.

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[deleted]•

Proper reddiquette dictates downvotes for comments that do not add to the discussion. We could save ourselves a lot of pun threads if more people would stick to that rule.

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dano8801•

But pun threads are funny. They make me laugh. They add laughter to the discussion. CAN'T YOU SEE THIS?

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MEME_MASTA•

Ok, now what?

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[deleted]•

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bechus•
  1. Based on other circumstances, how much time are you (and your lawyer) estimating you'll get?

  2. Biggest regret, besides getting caught?

  3. How has your family reacted?

  4. If, hypothetically, you had the help of a whole group of internet users from a certain website, how would you escape from prison?

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youngluckOP•
  1. Around the inception of the drug war, the government put into effect sentencing guidelines, which was a number based matrix that basically determined how much time someone would serve according to a corresponding offense level number. You get caught with "x" amount, you do a minimum of "x" amount of time, regardless of circumstances or outside factors. It was a travesty of humanity, especially where crack was concerned. But Booker gave judges flexibility in their sentencing, allowing them to consider a reduction in offense level. A big contingent on them being able to do that, however, is The Safety Valve. That's what we're fighting for. If we can get it, my offense level comes down 3, knocking off almost 4 years. I'd be starting at 6, and the judge can do whatever he wants at that point.

  2. Regret is a tough one. I've had countless nights thinking about what led up to the whole fucking thing, and I've been able to trace the butterfly back to when I started using Meth. It fucked my whole world up, and led to the situation that led to the situation... fast forward... that led to the situation that led to my arrest. Don't fuck with Meth, It really is the devil.

  3. My family is beyond disappointed in me.

  4. My biggest fear is coming out, and not knowing how to do anything. That the world would have evolved so rapidly, that making a phone call would be out of my grasp, let alone finding a job. So if I had the help of an entire people, I would love to be kept up to date with what's going on behind the concrete walls. That would qualify as an escape.

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titaniumjackal•

making a phone call would be out of my grasp,

There are plusses. You'll miss the infancy of 3D porn, and get released just when it's getting really good. It's going to take them a whole 7 years to figure out that cum shots you have to dodge belong in gay porn, not the straight stuff.

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reveazure•

We can speed this process by making a 2D sidescroller where you have to dodge cumshots while flying through an enormous vagina.

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Pojo•

I hate to say, those games already exist.

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BaseballGuyCAA•

Not to mention the 3D adaptation of everyone's least favorite camera angle, the Between-The-Guy's-Legs-So-You-Can-See-His-Balls-Swinging Shot. That's going to ruin at least a million boners before it gets phased out.

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PDXcannabinoids•

Oh, man, I thought I was the only one who hated this.

Also: the euro porn that flashes often to the guy's face. Like, wtf? I'm glad he's having a good time and all, but that's not really what I'm trying to watch.

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sandollars•

Also, IE6 usage should FINALLY be down to less than 1%

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fliggygeek•

Is that reliability or usage?

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SgtMelbaToast•

Damn the Uncanny Valley!

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musashi_88•

|That would qualify as an escape.

best part of that post.

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Merit•

To quote someone, place a > symbol before the line of text you wish to quote. Be sure to hit enter twice at the end of the line, to signify the end of the quote.

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[deleted]•

To quote someone, place a > symbol before the line of text you wish to quote.

Did it work? Sorry, first time trying this.

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hostergaard•

think of it the other way around. If you stay out of touch you will have whole new world to explore once you are out.

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alexgamerz•

@4, we'll be here to help you in 10, hopefully 6 or less, years.

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yurigoul•

Will you have net-access in jail then? I was always under the impression that you are not allowed to visit the web there.

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dave_casa•

I've been able to trace the butterfly back to when I started using Meth

That'll happen.

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umilmi81•

10 years ago people used metacrawler because google didn't exist. Think about it.

Sorry, didn't mean to drag you down. If it's any consolation I think the war on drugs is bullshit and I vote Libertarian for every level of Government. If you haven't harmed another person you don't belong in jail. This "zero tolerance" "minimum sentencing" bullshit is more police state horse shit too. Give me a petition and I'll sign it. But I guess none of this really helps you now.

And all you faggots who vote democrat but want to end the drug war get your heads out of your asses. The only party that will end the drug war, and all war for that matter, is the libertarians.

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spoonipsum•

Do you think we would all be better off in meth/coke etc was legal and easily available for people to try out? I ask this because you seem to be putting the blame on meth for why you're in your situation, it seems like there are a bunch of people here who think they should be legal, and I'm pretty sure I would have tried it at some point over the last 10 years if it where legal... so am I better off for it being illegal?

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youngluckOP•

I don't think legalizing it would make it easier to access. I can't imagine it being any easier to access than it is was when I was using it, it was everywhere (I'm a musician). I think that what's wrong with the "Drug War" is that it makes the false presumption that drugs are hard to get, and that a majority of its strategy is to attack its distribution. Look how well that worked out for the recording industry. Humans are resilient in getting what they want, especially when it comes to things they are told they can't. I think of it like cigarettes. They are just as addicting as Heroine. More deadly than coke. People are smart enough to know that. Just because they are legal, doesn't mean everybody smokes. Also, I never meant for it to sound like I was blaming Meth for all of this... but if I had to pin point one thing that knocked me off the rails, it would have been that.

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sarcasmtag•

Regret is a tough one.

Make sure you tock the regret boxes. Rehab, counseling, etc.

My biggest fear is coming out, and not knowing how to do anything.

If you're a books smart kind of guy, you can get degrees inside. You can also read. God you have so much time to read. I read over 100 books in 10mths. Not little 250 page paperbacks either, like frickin' 6" thick textbook History of the World type shit.

There's also job training inside if you're not into the books. You can get certified in all kinds of things. Industrial Diesel mechanic, wood working, carpentry, etc.

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Mac_Attack18•

Hey if internet access is a problem feel free to mail some letters to me and i would gladly retype them online for anyone who wants to read them. also i would be more than happy to let you know what is going on in the world. I should do a better job myself.

/the letters couldn't start till i go back to college in august my parents don't like me giving out the house address.

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bobcat_08•

Hah, nobody to help you with #4 like Reddit. Hope you like your news with a hardcore left bias. ;)

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planetmatt•

You may need a rock hammer and a poster.

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Up-The-Butt_Jesus•

Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.

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McDLT•

I wish I could tell you that Andy fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but prison is no fairy-tale world.

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[deleted]•

Absolutely fucking rofled myself silly.

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thunder_rob•

That's goddamned right.

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eradicate•

And make sure to get yourself a rock. A rock that has no earthly business in a Maine hayfield.

A black volcanic rock.

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[deleted]•

[deleted]

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dakboy•

Monica Belluci

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Exedous•

I'm prett sure there have been people that have been in jail for less time after killing someone.

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youngluckOP•

You are correct. But we are in the middle of a Drug War.

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TheUltimateDouche•

NEXT TIME BE ON AMERICA'S SIDE. COMMIE

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youngluckOP•

Fuck Yeah... I was wondering when you were going to show up.

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MoreIronyPlease•

:D

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Exedous•

God dammit youngluck, god dammit all to hell.

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[deleted]•

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Leighbra•

THIS is the fucked up part of this. Sure people die from coke usage/fighting over it, but those college kids who birthed their baby in hotel room & killed it by putting it in a garbage bag and slamming it into the wall got probation & community service.

I'd rather have Youngluck out than them.

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yesidhitthat•

I thought the same thing. There was a teen GF and her college freshman BF that killed their newborn. During the pregnancy he would punch her in the stomach and stand on her stomach. She still had the baby and wrapped it in a bag and put it in her closet and then they took it to a lake and dumped it. I think they got 1 year and probation. They actively killed a baby.

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[deleted]•

Problem is though, if any of those 7 kilos were used by your kids and you would see your kid ruining his/her life for it, you wouldn't be saying that again, what a conundrum.

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Leighbra•

sigh But nobody would be making my kids snort the coke, except themselves. That infant was helpless. I stand by statement.

I understand what you're saying though, so I work hard every day to teach my children personal accountability & that it's a hell of a lot easier never to START doing something (drugs, smoking, drinking, shop lifting, etc etc) than it is to stop doing it once it has its hooks into you.

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Frigorific•

Selling drugs to minors already gives a much more serious sentence. Not to mention I'm sure anyone would choose their kids having used coke over them being dead.

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yesidhitthat•

I see it as a good, for lack of a better term, Darwin like. I choose not to take drugs like that b/c I frankly like being alive and I like my life. I learned from an early age that they will kill you. If your child (not yours specifically if you have children) chooses to smoke weed, try coke, try crack and meth, then seriously, I don't want them as any member of my "society." I'd rather have them kill themselves so I don't have to pay for them.

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Dionysus_•

Just took a criminal behavior class, and while I don't have the actual numbers off the top of my head, in federal prisons convicted murderers on average serve less time than convicted drug dealers.

It's a really fucked up system.

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AlrightThen•

I just watched Milk last night and Dan Smith got out after 5 years for the pre-meditated killing of Harvey Milk and the freaking mayor of San Francisco at the same time.

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sarcasmtag•

[sarcasmtagoff]

10 years is serious time. I won't belittle it. I did a year on a federal trafficking charge.

Seems you have the same two choices you do on the outside: pull it together and make the best of it or fall into the same patterns that land most of us there.

The ones who did the former ended up in nice, no fences "Camps". The others stayed in mid/maximum security and often got sentence extensions and no good time.

If you have any kind of bargaining power, try to get into minimum security and eventually a camp. I'm not talking about rolling over on someone, if you don't have a prior record/history and there was no violence involved that could be used as bargaining leverage. The max's full of angry lifers are no joke. I stepped over enough pools of blood on the way to the sandwich line to see that.

I don't know if you've done time before, but here's my advice on smooth sailing:

  • Don't let anyone know much money you have. Family and relatives can put money for use in the commissary and you can save a bit through the work programs. "A lot of money" is different inside. A consistent balance of 50 bucks or so is quite a bit. So pace your purchases and don't flaunt the luxuries like ice cream and cigarettes.
  • Don't give anything to anyone unless you know them really well. People like to feel you out. See if you're willing to give up what's yours. What may seem like a casual request "hey, bro. Can I have one of those bags of chips?" or "You going to eat that jello?" can be probing for weakness. The requests get gradually more aggressive. Saw this happen to a lot of guys coming in green. (on the other side of that, holding your own can make friends. I was on good terms with more than one guy who shook other people down because I just stood my ground. No violence necessary)
  • Defend your space. Don't let people just walk all up into your bunk area without asking first. Same situation as with giving people stuff.
  • In a camp or a minimum, the violence is relatively toned down. If you end up in medium or max, definitely be willing to fight. But don't provoke.
  • Don't be an asshole. Seriously, play it low key. Keep to yourself, give up the little things, but don't back down on the big ones. Don't brag.
  • Make friends with the kitchen workers. They're the ones that'll be able to get the good eats.
  • Stay non-affiliated if you can. (easy in min/camp)
  • Don't get a tattoo. Seriously. Get all the tats you want on the outside, shits not clean in there.
  • Sitting on someone's bed, touching their pillow, etc is an insult. A big one. Always ask permission and if someone walks up into your bunk and sits without asking let them know you're not cool with that. Not always, but sometimes these are way to feel out your tolerance as well.
  • If you're in a max/medium, let the little things go. They're not worth it. Where I was staying a guy got beat to death with a base ball bat after arguing with a strike call in a soft ball game.

Lastly, the less people know about you the better. Your crime is none of their business, your life is none of their business. A lot of people on the inside are just probing for an angle. Something they can flip for less time or reduced security or a weakness they can use against you.

Judging from the quantity you were holding, you probably know all of this already. It's the same game as on the outside, cept you don't get to "go home".

I'd recommend reading books and exercise. Pick up a UNICOR job that gets you out the gates for 8 hours a day.

edit

Also, it's not all dismal. Once you learn the game (assuming you're not into beating people with baseball bats, shanking, and slinging dope on the inside) the toughest part about doing time is keeping occupied. Thing about time is, it's always moving forward.

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Bert_or_Ernie•

"Where I was staying a guy got beat to death with a base ball bat after arguing with a strike call in a soft ball game."

Did anyone else think of Arrested Development when reading this? "No batter, no batter."

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Crazypyro•

I was thinking something more along the lines of "Why the fuck do they give a maximum security inmate a baseball bat? Seriously, what the fuck?"

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sarcasmtag•

They have softball games and such. There are guards around too. I thought the same thing though when they told us we had to go make sandwiches because it was on lock down.

(they pull from the lower security prisons for staff duty when they go into lock down)

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JailhouseLawyer•

I did 14 years myself (13 months of it in solitary). Unfortunately, there is no set advice that one can give you because every prison system is different, every prison within each system is different, and both change with time. It is inherently a dynamic environment.

There are a few general truisms that do hold true, however. If you have a girlfriend, forget about her. I know you will both pledge to be faithful, blah, blah, blah, but the countervailing forces will be to strong for her to oppose. If she takes the ride along with you at first, do not try to control her from prison. You will fail. That was one of the biggest problems that I saw in there. Keeping her as a friend for the long haul is more important that trying to keep her from banging other guys in the short run.

Your family will be the only one there for you.

Prison will magnify your most fundamental character trait. If you are violent, then you will survive by violence. If you are a manipulator, then you will survive my manipulating. If you are a thief, then you will survive by stealing. If you are weak, then you will survive by depending upon others.

People generally get stabbed in prison for 1 of 4 reasons: (1) fucking with someone's dope, (2) fucking with someone's money, (3) fucking with someone's boy, and (4) gang shit (only in some joints). If you don't so this, you should be okay.

Institutionalization is a strange process. The first few weeks/months are a bitch. You will pine for freedom and may cry yourself to sleep. But it's like quitting smoking. Every day that passes becomes more normalized and therefore improves. After 1 to 2 years, you will develop a routine whether it be your prison job, school, weightlifting, running, etc. At this point, your time will start to get better, but you will still watch the calendar. After about the 4 or 5 year mark, you will gain confidence that you can actually do your bit. Then, time will begin to fly.

Whatever you do, forget about all the b.s. that you have learned from the media. As I mentioned above, they are all different places that hold different experiences for each individual. With your sentence, you will be classified with other prisoners who also have an outdate (i.e., non-lifers) and who also want to go home. That alone will make your experience relatively safe, but don't fuck up and get reclassified to a higher security, where the boys don't give a fuck and you will face serious challenges that could prevent you from ever coming home again.

All I can say is that there IS life after prison, even 10 years of it. I went in as a 20-year-old dope smoking loser, and I came home as a 35-year-old man, 200 pounds of ripped muscle and extremely well-educated from reading law books for 12 years. (When I went to college after coming home, I pulled straight A's without even reading for the most part.) Prison can be a very positive place if you make it that way.

A journey of a thousand footsteps, begins with the first step. You will take that first step on Wednesday. Good luck, my friend.

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bnelson•

13 years in solitary?? I can't even imagine it. How/why did you get solitary confinement?

edit: oh.. 13 months..

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hopspitfire•

How To Survive in Federal Prison: http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-in-Federal-Prison

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TheStebes•

Today I learned... in prison, you should sit when you go to the bathroom and take your pants completely off.

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[deleted]•

shutup you punk-bitch

reaches over your tray to grab salt

That article was ... frightening. Can't even IMAGINE going in the slam.

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Kickstone•

stares at tekn0jersey

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Chris_the_mudkip•

I agree, it's making me sick to the stomach just reading this stuff. My nervousness is bad enough even in a perfect, 1st world country in the suburbs.

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faggatron•

I can't say either way, never having been to prison or jail. But I've read some articles, even some AMAs, from prior inmates who claim it is not so bad. If you think about it, it is in the government's interest for us to be very scared of going to prison, so there is motivation for perpetuating myths.

Like I said, though, I don't know.

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munchybot•

It's like fucking middle school all over again. But with violent, mentally unstable adult men.

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dano8801•

When I take a shit, I take my pants all the way off. I like the freedom. Being able to spread my feet beyond what my pants would allow. Sometimes I even put one leg up on the bathtub.

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heather-in-ca•

Wow.. tmi..lol

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dubman42•

funny, this is what I do when I get the chance to poop when no one is home.

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SpaizKadett•

Punk!

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sarevok9•

I had another post in another going to jail thread that you may want to reference Here

As you can tell by my comment history, I was lucky enough to dodge the fed which is both a good, and bad thing.

When I was in PRC (The Pre-Release Center-) in jail we had federal inmates in with us... Apparently it's MUCH better than the county facility we were in. The rules in my post above might not exactly pertain the same way to a state facility as they do in a Federal facility.

The primary differences of federal sentencing / facilities as compared to state sentencing / facilities are:

  1. The food you get from the canteen is abso-fucking-lutely disgusting in county and some state facilities, but as long as you're in a minimum-medium security facility in federal prison, the canteen is enough to actually make you want to die. Apparently there is 'somewhat' real food. Granted you're not going to be eating leg of lamb... but compared to the slop you're fed, it'll seem like it.

In federal prisons you will see a LOT more gambling. Everyone in fed is trying to prove that they're a bigshot, and the biggest druglord, thief, and whatever else around... resist the urge to have pissing contests and take my other post to heart...Someone out there WILL have deeper pockets than you, despite the 13 lbs of coke you had, someone there had more... trust me.

Typically when you go to jail (other than county), you will go through a period of 'classification'. Classification is where they are deciding where to move you in a jail, or which jail to move you to... Most of the time you are put in a classification jail immeadiately after sentencing. This is far and away the most DANGEROUS time in your entire sentence. Much like county jail while you're awaiting trial, everyone in a classification jail is just TRYING to prove that they're not a bitch. It's a melting pot of people who are just plain pissed off about their sentence and about being caught. Keep REAL low during this period. Don't let anyone check (punk / make you look like a bitch, etc.) you, but keeping a low profile is pretty key.

Federal jails tend to be 'nicer' due to stricter regulations than state/county facilities. You have a LOT more rights. Often have bigger / nicer cells (8-9x6 is pretty standard in county... which is really demoralizing) with more 'real' bedding. This seems like something that is really minimal, but when you consider that you'll be sleeping for about 3-4 years of a 10 year sentence it really matters. There is almost ALWAYS a way to get contraband in federal facilities...You'll figure that out...

MOST federal jails have conjugal visits, it sounds like a minimal thing... but trust me, you WILL need to get laid. It's not a matter of if, but when. Your sanity hinges on you getting laid.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, federal sentences carry a MANDATORY 85% time served... meaning that you're not going to be eligible for parole until you're 8.5 years into your sentence... which is fucking horrible...That is the biggest drawback to federal jail. If your attorney is on retainer (you used some of your drug money for that... right? I hope so...) work on an appeal. The law library is an amazing place.

There are so many other things I want to pass onto you about jail in general, but let me give you some other, simple advice.... When you get sad, write to people (if you want my address PM me, I'll write to you EVERY time you write to me, unfortunately I don't have money to hit your canteen with, although when I graduate college in about 4-5 years that may change) THIS WILL KEEP YOU SANE Never lose sight of the fact that there is a real world out there. Where there are gentle, sane people that don't suck. It will be impossible for you to understand the cruelty that you're going through because of something so trivial... it will haunt you that your 'brother is your keeper'... believe me, I know.

Lastly, I hope that you don't get much time... I've seen people get a bit less than that for bigger quantities (24 keys got 7 years from a guy I was in with, kid named Deuce.... fucker was crazy... anyways, he's a story in and of himself.)

Good luck, and hopefully all goes well for you dude.

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shazbotter•

Prison, jail, county, state, federal...can you please summarize the differences for those of us that don't know?

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sarevok9•

Jail is typically referring to "county" jail (which I'll explain below)

Prison is the terminology used for a state / federal facility.

County jails hold inmates for up to 2.5 years (you can have multiple 2.5 year sentences back-to-back in county, one kid was in for 7.5 years, 3 2.5 year back to back (consecutive) sentences). If you get 3 years, you go upstate.

State prisons-- Commonly referred to as 'going upstate'. Inmates with sentences ranging from 3 years, to life end up upstate.

In both county / state facilities you are eligible for parole (early release where you're basically on probation) at the 'halftime' of your sentence.

In fed(eral) jail you are sentenced in a totally different fashion. There are 'levels' of wrongdoing and based on those levels a certain sentence must be given. The feds pick up certain types of cases, hacking, identity theft, mob related, and certain types of purjury / embezzelment cases.

When you are sentenced to fed, you go through classification, much like in a state facility, but the rules tend to be a bit tighter if you're just a lay-inmate.

In federal prison you are not eligible for parole until 85% of the way through your sentence (last I heard, laws may have changed since 2005).

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catcher6250•

This should be at the top of the page

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sarevok9•

I got in on the topic a little bit late, it's too bad that I don't think he's read it yet, but I figure if I learned all this on my own that he will too, he seems pretty bright.

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duhc•

what did you do/not do?

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youngluckOP•

The short of it? Got caught with a shit load of drugs. 7.6 Kilograms of Cocaine to be precise.

The long of it? I tried to help a friend stay alive. In turn got burned by another friend that I'd known for almost a decade. Someone whose kids I'd buy presents for Christmas and shit... crazy.

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impotent_rage•

What did he do to burn you? He turned you in? Why, what was his motive as best as you can figure?

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youngluckOP•

I just came to him asking for help. He said OK, his "help" turned out to be a set up. It's impossible to understand another mans motivation to do something like that... but if I had to guess, probably so he could stay on the streets dealing, instead of doing time.

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dr_jan_itor•

framing someone in order to get less time, I guess.

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z3ddicus•

From his other comments it sounds like the guy was a CI or criminal/confidential informant who set him up by organizing this deal or by introducing him to the undercover 'supplier' to gain leniency for himself for a crime that he got caught committing.

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wabbitsdo•

What kind of trouble was the first friend in?

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ReefaManiack42o•

He was in debt? I've been around druggies my whole life and though I consider them friends, we all walk the edge alone. It's as if you tried to help a drowning victim and they took you down with them. It doesn't make any sense to me if you had no intention of making any kind of money.

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wheresandrew•

Druggies are only friends to some degree. You gotta seperate them from real friends. Most are sociopaths and pathological liars.

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specialkake•

Don't worry, guys, he's using the scientifically accurate term "druggies," so he undoubtedly knows what he's talking about.

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dano8801•

I want to let you in on a secret. I'm a recovering heroin addict. I spent over a year going to 12 step meetings. Day in and day out, you hear the same shit.

"The people I was friends with while using were only there for the drugs. The people in these rooms will always be here for me, no matter what."

The truth is, it's bullshit. After over a year of total sobriety, I made a conscious decision to have a beer/joint now and then. All these sober "friends" of mine disappeared, ignored me, acted like I was a piece of shit.

The moral is this. People associate with those who have a lot in common. When you make a drastic change, they decide you don't have much to offer anymore.

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videogamechamp•

Hey everyone, listen to this idiot. He actually thinks he knows something.

Isn't that cute?

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syuk•

Hopefully that could help you, but that is a shit load of drugs, how did it go south so quickly? Surely that amount it would have been 'looked after' somehow or was it all misadventure?

I hope it works out as best as it can for you, and look forward to the blog.

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[deleted]•

What was wrong with the first friend that you had to try to save his life? And is he safe now?

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infinite•

Let me guess, he ratted you out "to think of the children." People with kids tend to be selfish and only think of their kids, honor be damned.

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[deleted]•

How much is 7.6 Kg of cocaine worth at street value? How'd you get caught?

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[deleted]•

Who knew? There's a compilation of the wholesale price of drugs - here PDF.

Looks like it is about $25k - $30k a kilo = approx. $228k at 30 per kilo.

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px403•

Pretty shitty. Do you realize that there are plenty of ways to make just as much money, and more, completely legally? Have you thought about what line of business you want to get into when you get out? You would probably kick all sorts of ass doing any sort of sales, finance, or supply chain logistics. You should consider reading up, getting certified, and taking classes if you can.

Remember though that you are a marked man now. After you get out, you don't want to go near anything dark or sketchy. From everything that I have heard about federal prison, there will be a great temptation to network. That's fine, but make sure to be up front and clear that when you get out, everything is going to be above the table and legit, you have a kid to look after.

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youngluckOP•

I'm not sure what I'm going to do when I get out. I stay religiously on top of all things tech as it applies to the arts, but as fast as it evolves, by the time I get out, Photoshop CS15 is going to require knowledge of an input device controlled by your pupils and toe taps. As proved by this situation, I am a horrible salesman, but I'm pretty resilient when it comes to adapting, and finding a way.

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Exce•

They give you access to the internet while you are in prison? I am curious how you are going to update your blogs. Unless of course you write it down and give it to someone to post it.

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youngluckOP•

Me and the evil genius that is klienbl00 have worked out a protocol whereby I will be mailing drawings, he will post. That dude is a Rock Star.

EDIT: So are the dudes that built it.

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kleinbl00•

That dude is your humble servant. Contrary to popular (and contrarian) opinion, his shit smells as rank as any fratrat's on Sunday morning after $4 pitcher night at Bennigan's.

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breakneckridge•

Huh, I was picturing you as a white guy for some reason, but assuming that this is a sort of self-portrait it looks like you're a black or hispanic person. I wonder why I thought you were white. I think maybe it's because (believe it or not) most of the drug dealers I've known have actually been white people.

EDIT: Here's an idea. Maybe you can put ads on you website and have the proceeds go to help support your son. It won't be much, but it'll be better than nothing.

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youngluckOP•

Me and the boy... I think you may have thought that I was white because, well, I'm on Reddit.

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breakneckridge•

Wow. Seeing that picture puts this story into an entirely different realm.

EVERYONE COMMENTING HERE *MUST SEE THIS PICTURE!*

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zarakosta•

Wow, seeing the picture really makes it even sadder. For whatever reason, I thought you'd be a tough, white drug dealer looking guy. But you aren't. And that kind of strikes what's reality, as opposing to what we see in movies.

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bue_row_krat•

I knew you weren't when you said a "bid" of 10 years. Then again I'd probably say it because I listen to too much Biggie.

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THR•

Is he wearing a Deftones t-shirt?

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Jawshem•

Approaching the Gates of Babylon, is currently my desktop. I will definitly be following your blog. Good luck man... You're the definition of a good man. Accepting responsibilty for your actions and choosing to not harm others for your own personal gain... I don't really know why but I just wanted to say thank you.

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Kalgaroo•

No question. I saw your various things on r/Favors and I wanted to wish you luck. The blog looks great, I hope it goes well for you.
And good luck to your son as well. I hope one day he understands what you're doing for him.

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[deleted]•

Why don't you make a run for it?

I'd atleast try and get out of the country.

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youngluckOP•

I have a son. Running would pretty much guarantee I'd never see him again. Also, I'm out on bond, and the person who put up their house as collateral would lose it if I ran. I would never do that to anybody.

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[deleted]•

Ah okay.

Best of luck. I suggest reading the power of now by eckhart tolle, maybe around 20 times while you're in there. It made my life bearable in some really tough times.

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BoonTobias•

You want to kill the man of boredom?

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dano8801•

I tried to read some of his shit. I really did. But God almighty, the man thinks he's a lot smarter than he is.

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table_lamp•

^ Do this.

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jayisthedank•

once again, you are an honorable man

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Lone_Wolf•

But you might get to meet Dog the Bounty Hunter....

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Unbranded•

I am proud that you say that. Just on general principle as a redditor.

Your son's welfare is overwhelmingly important, and it would be WORSE for him if you were never around again. Always remember that.

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creon•

You certainly do have honor, I do applaude your dedication

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[deleted]•

I hear Belize is a nice place to raise a son.

And it has a few nice beaches where you could put a friend's house...

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plus•

Ok, now I'm CERTAIN I've read this on reddit before. Did you make an IAMA earlier?

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youngluckOP•

I did a couple of drawing threads in Favors, and then asked for help putting together the blog... which turned into a semi-AMA...

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quasarj•

I know this is a small thing compared to what's going on with you, but what is this about out on "bond" ? I hate using bail and bond interchangeably.

Someone put up their house to bail you out - I hope it wasn't just enough to cover a bail bond! How much was your bail? O_o

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youngluckOP•

When facing trial, or sentencing, your pre-trial judge can decide whether you should stay locked up until that time, or whether you should be released on bond, under electronic monitoring, up until that point.

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quasarj•

Oh I completely understand what it is, I'm just saying you are talking about "bail" not "bond." Many people get a Bail Bond to cover the cost of bail from a bondsman, and usually they pay 10% of the bail cost, however they lose that money (ie, don't get it back even if they show up for court). If you pay the full bail amount, it is returned to you when you show up for your court date (it's used as insurance to make sure you come back).

What I was asking was, I hope the value of someone's house was not just 10% of your bail amount! And also, if you don't mind answering, how much was your bail set at?

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Pufflekun•

You're a far more honorable man than I, sir. If I was facing ten years in federal prison, I wouldn't give a shit about my family, or someone losing their house - I'd get the fuck out of the country by any means possible.

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celador•

Hell, he already has some experience in drug trafficking, move to Colombia or Peru and make enough money to buy the person who put up their house a new, bigger, better house.

Fuck America and Fuck American Prison.

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enj726•

yea I was gonna say RUN AND NEVER FUCKING COME BACK but im only 22... i guess it would be harder for you to pick up and go like that. stay strong brother

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MC_Cuff_Lnx•

Does klienbl00 have your address so we can send you books and stuff?

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youngluckOP•

I don't have the address yet. But yeah, he will.

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[deleted]•

What sort of reading material is allowed? I'd be willing to ship a couple of paper backs every now and again.

...or better yet. Do you have an Amazon wish list people could buy books off of every now and again? I just read they'll let Amazon ship directly to you.

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gatsby137•

There are also groups like Midwest Books to Prisoners all over the country that provide reading material to inmates. Do you have any idea in which state you will be incarcerated?

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ImHere4Boobies•

Make sure this address gets posted somewhere where we can find it. I'm sure there several readers of this thread who would be willing to write and send you things to help pass the time.

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kleinbl00•

I control the horizontal.

I control the vertical.

And I'll be keeping people posted.

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VA1N•

Have you done time before or is this your first time going in? If it is your first time, have you done anything to prepare yourself? Basically, get your stuff in order, say goodbye to your kid, mentally prepare, etc.

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youngluckOP•

My biggest concern, preparing for this, was trying to figure out a way to help my son, financially,while I was away. My entire time on house arrest has been spent throwing shit on the wall, hoping something would stick. The blog was one of them... I also wrote and illustrated a Childrens Book... heh.

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repoman•

Assuming you can score a camcorder, you should try to do a prison DIY tricks/recipes show on Youtube. I'm sure you'll learn plenty of recipes over time, and dorm life isn't much different so college kids as well as other inmates may find it quite handy.

I find all the MacGyveresque "make do" tricks that prisoners come up with to be quite fascinating, and many of us may spend time there someday since that's the only growth industry in the country right now. Anything you could do to offer tips and tricks to prison survival would at least occupy your time and be productive in the sense that you'd be making it easier for those who follow you into needless incarceration for similar victimless crimes.

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sje46•

This is an amusing idea, but I really, really doubt you can film a show in prison. Not unless the warden really likes you.

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repoman•

Assuming he's a model inmate and speaks well of his imprisonment conditions in the videos, he might get the warden to approve for the sake of public relations.

Likewise, if he can get other inmates involved in showing some of their tips and tricks, he'll be well-liked among his peers for helping them find an audience. I think it'd be helpful for dorm-dwellers, DIYers and future inmates, while at the same time being engaging and somewhat therapeutic for those currently incarcerated.

Certainly, everything would have to be approved by the boss man first, but it could be a win-win if it portrays the prison positively and helps give the inmates a mental escape from their regimented lifestyles.

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dano8801•

Didn't you watch Prison Break?

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[deleted]•

Haven't ever been to prison before but if it not much different then college sign me up.

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repoman•

It's a lot like an all-men's college, but the surprise buttsecks isn't alcohol-induced.

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[deleted]•

You should totally write and illustrate one on how having 7.6kg of blow leads to a very bad place. Sucks you're going away but you gets points for being a man about it.

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[deleted]•

Tim Allen used to deal coke. He came out of prison and played an ideal father on an incredibly successful sitcom. So, you don't have to be that fucked.

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[deleted]•

Yea, but Tim Allen snitched.

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jayisthedank•

when did you write your childrens book? pre or post house arrest

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youngluckOP•

Post. Half of it goes to charity... same as the blog.

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dano8801•

I have a question for you. I've made my mistakes, and done similar shit. Luckily I didn't get caught. What was the wholesale price of the shit per kilo?

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timwang2006•

Have you considered just fleeing? How difficult would it be for you to get to a country without an extradition treaty? Are you wearing an ankle bracelet or something?

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Unbranded•

Wow. I am sorry man. I've read the comment so far, and I appreciate the brick-shatting nature of your situation, and i appreciate your actions and reactions even more.

I myself (throwaway account...) am facing a federal felony.... but nowhere near as bad as yours. To me, my situation (fraud charge, plea deal offered for probation only, 46 months if we go to trial) is as wholly bad as it can get. Yours is worse. I am sorry. I empathize with the can't eat/can't sleep problems. Have you seen a doctor? I resisted for a long time, and just recently (like three days ago) started Zoloft, because it had become too much. Please, for your son's sake as well as your own, do NOT tough it out. Get help if you need it.

Do you have any idea what security-level you will be classified at? I assume they are not getting you on any "violent offense" stuff, so hopefully it will be low? My understanding is that there is a large difference between the levels. At low, you can even get email access. You can supposedly work your way down, over time, as well.

Probably you know way more about this already than I do.

I hope you're doing OK for yourself, because you HAVE to do OK for your son.

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dVnt•

Please, for your son's sake as well as your own, do NOT tough it out. Get help if you need it.

I understand what you're trying to say, but that almost reads like, "take Zoloft for your son's sake!"

Also, the irony of this suggestion is just overwhelming...

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Unbranded•

Hah!

You're right! I didn't mean it that way, i was just relating my own very heavy (to me) shit that's recently gone down, and was confessing that i personally needed help of the pharma-type. At least, i think so... it hasn't taken effect yet.

What i was TRYING to say to youngluck is: Be strong for your son. His welfare is the most important thing in the world. A large part of his welfare is you. Therefore, take good care of yourself too.

It seems like youngluck really does have his head pretty straight, bad judgement about the crime notwithstanding.

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[deleted]•

A therapist would do much better for you than Zoloft. Talking it out takes away the chemical shit and reliance on pharmaceuticals.

You're right in all accounts though; you might think you have to tough it out and I understand the suggestion that you don't want your son to see you in prison, but if you've got the support available, let your son visit you... he's your son, he'll forgive you. You'll make it up to him when you get out.

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Aikidi•

This is really dismissive of anti-depressants. A lot of people's lives are immeasurably better because of anti-depressants, and you can't really "talk out" severe anxiety and clinical depression.

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[deleted]•

Yes you can. You can also exercise, socialize, and do many other remedies. Just because it's a chemical process doesn't mean it can't be reversed through non-pharmaceutical actions.

I'm not saying anti-depressants don't help some people. But, on the whole, therapy and other remedies are better than just throwing chemicals down your throat.

EDIT: Keep in mind I'm not saying it's stupid to take them at all, if they help that's great. Everybody's different. However many believe just taking medication will solve their problems (that's how big pharmacy wants you to think), when in reality, if you're going to take them, doing them supplemental to other actions like unbranded is doing is CERTAINLY preferable.

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lol @ downvotes from people who are ignorant. I love it.

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You're right, and i'm doing both. Since i realized that my shit was not holding together, i've reached out in all directions. The support from my family and friends has been overwhelming, and heart-rending. In my case, over the next two months i need to empty my house and sell it, and divest myself of everything in my life except for the bare essentials.

We will keep much of my son's bedroom furnishings, and that's it. I am keeping my good kitchen knife.

This time (the next 60/90 days) as we fall through the social strata are going to be hard. The certain knowledge that it was my own fault, my actions which will/have caused this huge, overwhelming shift in my son's life is what's driven me to need help. We were high on the socio-economic ladder, and for my own sake I am not concerned about where I personally end up.... it's my son's loss that i grieve for.

youngluck has it so much worse than I do; clearly. I understand his urge to not let his son visit. I thought about that a whole lot, when i was facing four years. I never did decide.

He can change his mind, and there will almost certainly be logistical issues that will factor in... it's not unusual to end up in prison 2000 miles from where your family lives.

These are decisions that can be changed, and he will adapt and decide when the time comes.

For now, it is SO good to see that youngluck's concern is all placed on his 6-year old's welfare.

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I agree completely; youngluck's mentality here is nearly perfect in my opinion.

I agree with the suggestion that one of the worst parts is dealing with the fact that you know it's your own fault; I'm currently on a sentence that was 45 days, 15 in jail, rest on house arrest. A lot of pain, disappointment from family, in this case my parents.

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Yes, i think he's doing better than i would, in his shoes.

I'm sorry to hear about your issue.... i assume it was a local/state charge? Do you know what your "record" status will be in the future?

I posted here about HR 5492, which might be important to you in the future.

What I didn't say in that above post is that this bill (IF it becomes law!) would encourage (through a funding bonus/penalty) states to adopt similar rules. Many states already have some form of expungement, but not nearly all.

Even if this won't help you personally, please consider clicking the link to write your representative. At this stage, EVERY person who writes makes a difference.

For me, this bill is pretty good, even though i am over the $10k limit i will be immensely grateful for even the chance to apply for expungement in a few years.

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