Shamed by daycare provider

Vent

I'm getting really frustrated with my daycare provider (DP). Because of some complications late in pregnancy taking my leave we had to start baby in daycare at 5 weeks old, he's now almost 3 months.

I decided to breastfeed rather than go with formula. DP said that was fine in our interview with her. Breastfed babies eat more often than formula fed babies, but I wasn't aware of any other behavioral difference. Talking to her now, you would think breastfed babies are a completely different kind of baby.

Every morning when I drop him off DP basically shames me for breastfeeding because "it's so much more work for daycare providers". She blames it for him not napping consistently. She blamed it for the diaper rash he had last week. She blames it for him occasionally wanting to be held during the day. Like, he's still a young baby and none of those things seems uncommon?

Today she started pushing me to add formula to his diet so he will nap better for her. And I just don't want to mess with his food. He's doing well on breast milk and changing things could cause him a lot of discomfort.

It basically took my entire pregnancy to find this daycare spot so switching to a different provider is not an option and we can't afford for me to be a SAHM. DP takes good care of him otherwise and I don't worry about his safety while he's with her. But I am sick of having the talk about how hard breastfed babies are every morning at dropoff.

Posted Oct 29, 2021, 6:33 PM UTC

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acoustophoresis•

Look her firmly in the eye and say that your choice to breastfeed is no longer up for discussion. Every time she brings it up, interrupt and say the same thing.

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Yes! This. Perfect response here.

If she continues to complain about your very reasonable desire to continue breastfeeding your 3 month old child, you need to get someone else involved - her supervisor or the manager of the daycare. This is inappropriate and it needs to stop.

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Inevitable_Web6931•

Please also look into new Daycare’s bc this is unacceptable

Edit to add: I found my kids daycare on care.com some daycares don’t qualify to advertise as “daycare” per city ordinances so that might be a possibility to get you out of there

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yulscakes•

I mean, I think you missed the part where she said the daycare provider was hard to find, and she generally trusts her and she is within her budget. I think being that confrontational carries a big risk of alienating the DP. I think she just has to sort of deal with it, because that’s life, and sometimes people will give you shitty child rearing advice that you just blithely ignore, instead of starting conflict.

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weary_dreamer•

Thats not confrontational. Its affirmative and firm.

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yulscakes•

I mean, it’s certainly affirmative and firm. It’s also confrontational. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. Childcare right now is not a buyer’s market. Even if you’re willing to pay top dollar, you’re still twisting yourself into pretzels to keep a good nanny satisfied because she has other options. OP found a nanny that she trusts and can afford. It’s kind of a no brainer that the right approach here is to smile and nod.

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5ammas•

It's the DP initiating the confrontation though. The relationship has already become contentious because of DPs behavior, OP only has control over how they respond to the confrontation. I personally think being straight-forward and shutting her down is the better option, oherwise they risk DP continuing to push boundaries because OP is allowing them to.

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yeahhhhhhhh_no•

Am I misunderstanding, or did you mean it’s a sellers market? Because that’s how it feels where I am.

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packattack-•

This is good advice and you could throw a lie in there and say you’ve tried formula but baby didn’t like it or had an upset stomach. Then you’ll get no more questions.

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weary_dreamer•

I wouldnt lie. And it wont be the end of it. It’ll be the start of “why dont you try…”

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Birdie0491•

Amen! I literally don’t have words about the diaper rash part. I have no idea how that could be explained on BF. Best of luck! I hope things smooth out soon, OP!

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Pink-glitter1•

If you're worried this is too blunt (although I feel it's great and direct) you could always say something like.

I understand you'd like me to try formula to make baby sleep longer, however this is not something I'm interested in trying and will continue breastfeeding as this is scary I have decided with my family and medical team is best for my baby. Please stop asking me to try formula as it's not something I intend on doing. I will let you know if and when I decide to try formula.

I feel it still gets the point across, but it's less direct and may come across as less confrontational.

You could also explain that giving formula doesn't make babies sleep longer and that's a common myth, but working in child care she may reject that as from her experience she knows better.

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thatcanadianlife•

THIS!

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Pink-glitter1•

This is the way to go! Be very blunt!

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Formula isn’t the miracle cure she claims it is. I exclusively breastfed, then I combo fed, then I exclusively formula fed all with the same kid so I’ve essentially performed my own research on the matter. The only thing that really made a difference in sleep was my baby’s age. Older babies usually sleep longer. Diaper rash occurred in all situations. If anything it was worse with formula. It just happens. Some babies have more sensitive skin and the thing that made the biggest difference for my baby was the diaper rash cream (Aquaphor works great for us). Do not feel shamed or guilted into changing your babies food because of the opinions of one person. You know what’s best for your baby. If you want to stop the comments for a bit just tell her you’ll discuss formula feeding options with the doctor during his next visit (and then don’t).

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

Thank you for commenting with your experience! She's been making it sound like formula automatically made babies sleep better and I just don't have the experience to know if she's wrong.

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Ill_Pen_7973•

Lol i wish the rumor about formula babies sleeping better was true! If only there was a magic cure besides time!

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Dude, my kid has always been exclusively formula fed and he fights sleep half the time. He’s on a schedule and has been for 5 months and just hates to go down.

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Spkpkcap•

My son is exclusively formula fed and has been the worst sleeper since birth (he’s 6 months now) and still wakes up like 6 times a night. Formula doesn’t make them sleep longer. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

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CBVH•

Interesting. My son started daycare at 6 months, with expressed breastmilk. My daycare loved it, they felt it conked him out.

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5ammas•

They were on to something! Breastmilk has melatonin in it.

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cakesandcookie•

And depending on the time of day it has more or less, crazy!

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5ammas•

Yep she's 100% wrong! 😆

My guess, she batch-prepares the formula and feels that it's inconvenient for her to have to prepare the breastmilk separately.

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irena92•

I switched my son to formula at 3 months due to low supply. He definitely did NOT sleep better from formula. He was almost a year old when he started sleeping though. So no , formula is not a magic potion that makes babies sleep longer. My second was BF first now formula fed and does sleep better but that’s because she’s getting the amount she’s supposed to. My supply was low and did not fill her up.

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PowerInMyHand•

I’ve got a 3 month old EBF baby who sleeps 10 hours during the night. I have a 2 yo toddler who was also EBF and she slept the same. Day time sleep (naps) take a lot longer to “conquer” for all babies, not just BF babies. My 3 month old typically takes a nap every 1.5 to 2 hours. And they range from 30 minutes to 1.5 hours. Your child is still a newborn. It’s crazy to be that adamant they should be on a better schedule and insinuate it’s because they are formula fed. My sister has a daughter the same age as my 2 yo. She was formula fed from the start. She still doesn’t really sleep through the night and her naps are inconsistent.

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Ninjaa240•

Mine is the same at 4 months and EBF. Sleeps like a champ, not a fan of long naps, but otherwise very easygoing. Daycare provider is pushing an outdated myth for her own convenience. I understand that OP needs to remain in the good graces of DP, but DP is out of line.

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nope-nails•

She's talking out of her ass.

And formula isn't easier! You have to measure everything and you still need to warm it up. No idea what she's on, but she's seriously uneducated and needs to stop talking about things and doesn't know

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QueenAlpaca•

She might have a Brezza formula maker and makes batches that way if she’s taking care of multiple kids (it’s honestly worth its weight in gold). DP is certainly trying to push it purely out of convenience, regardless.

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Newmama36•

Mine (now toddler) was ebf and started sleeping through the night at 8 weeks, and wanted a schedule, including eating every four hours and to the minute naps. Pretty much a daycares dream.

I'm lucky. But I also know that is an anomaly for any baby, formula fed or ebf.

Your daycare provider is wacky. Every baby is different.

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The ONLY reason formula makes our baby sleep better is because it keeps her full longer. She's cluster feeding right now and my boobs can't keep up with it + I desperately need sleep sometimes, so we give her formula when we really need her to sleep a longer period. But it also makes her gassier so we have to spend longer comforting her before we can put her down to nap again.

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JayPlenty24•

Lol nope if anything it causes more gas which prevents sleeping. Can you pump more? Maybe the baby just needs more at a certain time of day. In the afternoon starting at about 2 months my son needed double once a day, followed by yummy massage, or he would be extremely cranky and not sleep.

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Herbologism•

When I switch it made my baby so uncomfortable she was miserable for a week or two before we found the right formula and her body got used to it. It might cause more problems for the dp then just staying breastfed

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georgejefferson11•

AP diaper rash cream helps a lot too like never had a rash again since we used it for like a few weeks

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bmsem•

I agree with all this - we’re formula feeders and she’s delusional about these magical differences. Even the oft-cited claim that formula babies sleep a little longer doesn’t hold up in peer-reviewed studies.

While this could be a singular, bizarre blind spot for her, I would make sure she doesn’t have any other outdated opinions about things like thickening bottles with rice milk or unsafe sleep.

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20ozAnime•

I also did all three and didn't notice any difference. Time was really it. I also tried multiple formula options (there's so many!) and all it did was make it harder for baby to adjust. Keep with what you want to do, and don't let them pressure you.

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evlnp•

This! My daughter has been exclusively formula fed and all these things are still a part of our journey. It really sounds like she’s just being lazy, every child is different and it has nothing to do with what they’re being fed. Sorry you have to deal with this, I’m more on the straight forward side so I would firmly but politely tell her that breastfeeding is the choice you made for your family and you will let her know if and when you’re ready to change that.

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I second this! Same situation with us and nothing has changed with his lac k of sleep and need to be held!

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emilouwho687•

The comment of hers that bothers me most is that he “occasionally wants to be held”. Excuse me??? ALL babies, especially the ones under 4 month, just want to be held. Is she not holding him at all outside of feedings? I understand there may be multiple children in her care but that comment sounds particularly callous to me. If you are able to look for alternative care, even if it means a wait list, I would do so. She doesn’t sound like someone who enjoys looking after young babies. I would be concerned that she is not being as loving to your baby due to her own biases.

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MagnoliaProse•

This was a red flag to me too. Babies that young SHOULD be held often, as that’s how they connect and interact with the world. If she sees that as a bad thing, is your child getting appropriate interaction?

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This this this

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br00kish•

I 100% agree with this. Babies this age NEED to be held, and not just occasionally. If holding a baby is a problem for this woman, she’s probably neglecting the baby and should be reported.

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ssdgmxo•

I agree with you also it sounds like neglect. A poor little 5 week old baby. They need held 24/7. Even a 3 month old still needs held a lot. It’s sad :(

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albasaurrrrrr•

I agree with this. I’m stressed for you. No childcare provider should be shaming you :(

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You have a lot of responses telling you that your daycare provider is being unreasonable in terms of naps, formula, etc. I just want to tell you about my experience with my first child.

When she was 6 weeks until about 2 years old, she went to one daycare. It worked well for a while. She did little things that annoyed me (calling me a lot when my daughter wouldn’t take a bottle and then me showing up and there she is taking a bottle) but it worked. That was until my daughter started solids. We weren’t weird by any means. Our daughter just wanted to be more independent and feed herself before she turned one. But this daycare provider called the soft, cut up, canned pears and peaches choking hazards and refused to give my daughter anything but purées. So my daughter ate only bananas, the only purée she’d take at that time, during the day for 2 whole months. At which time she turned one and things magically turned into non-choking hazards. I tell you this story because I want you to do better than I did. I let my daycare provider bully me. I let her shame me and let her make me think I was a bad mom. Guess what, I wasn’t. It wasn’t healthy for my child to eat only bananas because that was what she was willing to take off a spoon. It was much better to give her a wide variety of soft foods she could pick up herself. And it was even developmentally appropriate. I’m still mad at myself for letting it happen.

We did eventually leave her. It turned out that our daughter was a bit of a handful so she would put her in an exersaucer to contain her. My daughter was 2 at that time. We left and I reported her.

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

At first I just laughed off her "breastfed babies" comments, but at this point I'm over hearing about it. Thanks for your comment. I don't want to regret any of this down the road...

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steviethetv1•

She put her in an extrasaucer at 2 years old?!?

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Yes. And I reported her for it. It was then that I realized that she didn’t necessarily know better than I did.

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ilovecheese2188•

I know this sounds like a terrible solution/giving into the patriarchy but if you have a male partner, can he do drop offs? Maybe she’ll bother him about it less. Or maybe he’ll be less annoyed because he’s not the one putting all the work into making the milk (not a judgment on you or your partner, I just know I would find it way more annoying than my husband would to be harassed about breast milk after all the hours I spend at the pump to get it for my baby).

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

My partner is definitely not a chatty person so she probably wouldn't even try it with him. Not a terrible idea!

But yeah, creating, pumping and packaging the milk is so much work and it doesn't feel good when she makes it sound like it's ruining my baby.

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I would ask her why she thinks something literally created by our bodies specifically for our offspring is so horrible for them. If its so bad why do our bodies produce it? I’m an unpleasant person to confront. I will dissect each any every point or “piece of evidence” thrown my way when I know the topic well. It tends to throw people off, then they just leave me alone (which is how I like it)

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_mrka•

I hope it works out for you. The DP sounds like someone who's done things her way for too many years to be willing to change. But as you're the parent and paying her, she needs to listen to what you want.

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steviethetv1•

I really like this idea. Yes, it shouldn’t be this way. But I’d be surprised if she complained about breastfeeding to a male

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RocketScientistEE•

Yes! Those bottles were like liquid gold, and my DC provider would over-feed to try to get my first LO to nap. Let my DH drop him off -this actually worked better because I could get them both out the door and then leave home after pumping one more time - and he was the most perfect baby ever as far as she was concerned!

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RockHardValue•

Is this lady basically complaining she has to work for the hours you pay her to work? What a terrible attitude

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

Her main complaint is that he doesn't nap at 10 and 2 for at least 1 hour. He prefers a handful of 30 minute naps at varying times. So she has trouble planning the day around that.

In the short time I have been a mom I've learned that you just can't plan around babies so I don't know how she expects to be able to.

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bread_cats_dice•

She has unrealistic expectations of a 3 month old and wants him to be older. That 2 nap schedule she’s talking about really doesn’t solidify until around 7-8 months. Your kid is normal. Your daycare provider is unreasonable and not used to little littles and/or doesn’t want to take care of a little little.

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carolinax•

Right?! At 3 months they're on a 4 nap schedule!

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_Every_Damn_Time_•

Just FYI you may want to speak with your pediatrician and get a letter saying it is too soon for your child to be on a schedule and they need to be fed and allowed to sleep on demand.

At my 4 months, I asked my pediatrician about trying to get on a schedule and they stated it was too soon / not before 6 months. My kid was both breastfed and formula fed.

Your daycare provider isn’t realistic and doesn’t seem to understand what a baby needs.

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togostarman•

HES 3 MONTHS. A 2 nap schedule for a 3 month old isn't just unreasonable, it's impossible. They literally require more sleep than that during the day for development. If she doesn't want to put in the effort to take care of younger babies at her center, she shouldn't offer the option.

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smansaxx3•

Lol seriously wtf?? My 4 month old still takes 4 naps most days

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thepole-rbear•

Does she take many new born babies? This napping pattern is very normal most babies don't go down to 2 naps until around 8 months. Honestly I would question her experience with very young babies if she doesn't understand this.

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

From what she's said, she has been starting with young (like 6 weeks old) babies for something like 25 years. There are 4 other kids in her daycare and only one of them started after 6 months. My baby is only the second breastfed baby she's had. All the others have been formula fed.

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Gertykins•

Yeah sorry but she’s cracked my baby started doing two naps at 7 months or so. She can back the heck off.

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awcurlz•

Lololol mine didn't do that until at least 6 months. Who is this crazy lady and has she never cared for babies before??? Mine was formula from 4 months on too so it definitely has nothing to do with breastfeeding

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Valuable-Dog-6794•

I've worked the infant rooms at daycare. None of the infants nap like this. Even the older infants didn't nap like this reliably. We had a mix of formula and breastfed.

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fluffybabypuppies•

Lol what. My kid dropped his naps super early and was only doing the 2x/day naps at like 6-7 months old. Does this lady not watch any younger babies?!?

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Girl that’s insane! Your baby hasn’t even gone through the sleep regression… I’d be shocked if you got regular naps longer than 45 minutes in a bassinet / cot. Maybe a long one if you were holding the baby but certainly not in a daycare situation. I don’t know what your daycare provider is talking about… even if you fed her melatonin and Tylenol pm (sarcasm) she probably wouldn’t adhere to that kind of schedule. My first born (breastfed until 13 months) is a phenomenal Sleeper… has done 11-12 hours a night consistently since 4.5 months old… and when she started daycare at 4 months up until 8 months she never did consistent naps at the same time every day. It had nothing to do with what she ate… it’s just hard to get consistent naps at daycare! I’m so sorry she’s making you feel shitty. So many people made me feel like garbage for breastfeeding my first. I got so much crap while breast feeding … things about rice cereal… and why is she crying she must be starving… and why don’t you try soy formula cuz she’s crying she must be allergic to your breast milk…. It used to make me so anxious and I’d cry about it. Looking back it’s like… duh babies cry get over it. Daycare also made me give them 18 ounces of pumped breast milk for my daughter for the 7 hours she was there and constantly shamed me about the amount saying she was starving. I ended up going to solids sooner than I wanted because I couldn’t handle the constant commentary about how hungry she was. They wanted 4 8 ounce bottles for the day… and made me feel like trash for giving them 4 or 5 3-4ounce bottles. Every time she fussed they automatically assumed “omg she’s starving.” When in reality she was bored, or over stimulated, or tired or hot or cold or missing me or something else. It’s not always hunger! Babies cry because they can’t communicate any other way! I drove myself CRAZY trying to please them. I don’t go to that daycare any more. I’m on maternity leave now but I’m determined to have a better experience with my second. Good luck! I hope things get better. If you do switch to formula, do it because you and your baby want to… Don’t let her bully you into thinking you are doing something wrong.

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baby_blue_bird•

Just so you know both my kids were formula fed since birth and never napped longer than 30 minutes until after 7 months. I don't know how she expects a 3 month old to nap only twice at an hour or longer.

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togostarman•

You are paying her an exorbitant amount of money to take care of your child and feed him breastmilk, which is the recommended main source of nutrition for babies until 1 year of age. It is your right to breastfeed your child.

Generally, I would just be making a way bigger stink over this. Imagine the negative publicity this woman would get if it got around that she doesn't let mothers feed their babies breastmilk. Like wtf.

Also I mentioned this in another comment, but trying to force a 2 nap schedule on a 3 month old is abusive. They NEED more sleep than that.

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This! At 6 mos my baby still needs 3 naps/day! When she was smaller it was 4-5.

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albasaurrrrrr•

This times a million.

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5ammas•

Yeah wtf...my 7 month old can't even manage on 2 naps a day yet. 😬 This DP scares me...

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tvtb•

My 11 month old is still doing 3 naps, lol

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ssdgmxo•

At that age mine was taking 5 naps a day. I cannot imagine 2 naps. That is so cruel. Poor babies :( they are probably so tired

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tvtb•

At 3 months, I wasn’t even counting naps, even during the middle of the night it was naps, probably 8-10 a day?

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PrincessCG•

I’d be looking for another provider. I wouldn’t trust this woman at all.

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booksandcheesedip•

Wait a second…. They are mad because a baby wants to be held sometimes? Wtf? Do they not hold or comfort the babies in their care?

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mm_84•

I know - a 5 week old baby needs one to one care, can’t fathom why they are getting annoyed by a baby needing to be held, surely if they allow babies that young at their daycare they are aware and staffed appropriately. But then again as someone else said it sounds as tho they are just in it for the money.

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

The diaper rash showed up after a night at home with me. So I wasn't blaming her for that.

Unfortunately, it could be months before I can find another spot in my area.

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rasberrypdx•

I just want to say that diaper rashes DO just happen.

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Naive_Royal9583•

Thank you. Kind of a right of passage in parenthood haha

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rasberrypdx•

My girl got a major rash at 1 week old. We tried so many creams, a&d only slightly made a difference. Her pediatrician said to keep using it, it happens and it’d go away. It didn’t. It didn’t get worse but it didn’t get better either. At her 1 month her pediatrician recommended a probiotic and just said it’s because she poops a lot. We were changing or checking her diaper literally every hour. Once we used the probiotic her rash went away within 2 days.

I don’t want you or anyone else to feel badly because a diaper rash happened. Like you said, they’re a right of passage and nobody should be shamed for it

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I had a bad experience with my 2.5 year old at daycare I called around got on 5 waitlists and a spot opened up within a month. People move more often then you’d think!

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FistWithHair•

My son will be 10 month old when he starts nursery (day care) and I’m already balling my eyes I’m giving him too young. 5 weeks old? Damn!

I feel for you!

America is so bloody backward

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Fair-Performance6242OP•

Yeah... It was way too early. I was still bleeding, and really sore from a very traumatic birth and my milk hadn't regulated yet. But I didn't have a choice since I hadn't been at my job for a year, the laws that provide longer leave protection didn't cover me.

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ssdgmxo•

I am so truly sorry and I feel your pain reading this. America is downright cruel for this

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FistWithHair•

I’m so sorry

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nbklepp•

Fuck that person. I hope you can find a better dc provider because they’re trying to manipulate you.

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celestial_waters•

I use formula occasionally with my breastfed baby and it makes no difference. In fact if she has formula she’s more likely to be gassy and uncomfortable than full and sleeping well. Also mine is 8 months and has taken maybe a handful of hour long naps in her entire life

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Shenandoah1227•

Is the dp out of line? Absolutely. But I would also not feel comfortable leaving my child with that person either. They are clearly frustrated and whether or not it has anything to do with how you feed your child (hint: it doesn't) they are still expressing dissatisfaction with caring for your child. If finding a different caregiver is an option then I would start looking.

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jennriver•

Not cool. I work at a center with infant care. My coworkers never complained about BM vs FM. The only time they intervened was when a baby was abnormally fussy. Baby turned out not to be getting enough BM during the day at school.

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Evolutioncocktail•

Has the DP been around a baby before? Every single thing she described is not exclusive to breastfed or formula fed babies.

Also, who is she to decide how you feed your child? Does she want your money or not?

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gelsy1523•

EDIT: Deleted earlier post realised I read the age wrong. Short naps are very normal for this age and it’s alarming that they don’t know this. 5 naps a day are normal at that age and short ones. Sometimes they will do longer. But no 3 month old is doing 2 long naps a day

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ssdgmxo•

Exactly ! When my baby was 3 months it was 5 short naps a day. Even now she is 5 months old she has less naps (2-3) and many times they are still short. It’s completely backwards . I feel bad for the babies in her care

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RIVERL0TUS•

I'd be worried that your day care provider is feeding your child formula behind your back since they seem so (wrongly) adamant of the benefits. I dont have any advice to prevent /be certain of this other than change providers - easier said than done I know. :(

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shoot_edit_repeat•

It’s too bad you can’t look for other providers because that provider’s attitude would drive me nuts (and my baby is exclusively formula fed!) but I understand why you can’t leave. Agree with others that you need to firmly tell your DP that this topic of conversation is not up for discussion and there will be no changes. For reference, most of the babies in my LO’s class are breastfed and I’ve never heard our DP complain.

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Julissaherna692•

It is incredibly rude of her to shame you and complain about your choice to breastfeed your child that is absolutely terrible

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