Zero Punctuation: Wii Sports Resort
escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctua...Posted Jul 29, 2009, 4:03 PM UTC
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While mostly a fair assessment, I do disagree with Yahtzee on a few points:
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Randomly flailing your arm around in fencing really doesn't get you very far in my experience, at least if your opponent ever actually defends. Like with all Wii Sports games, it starts off ridiculously easy and ramps up the difficulty on you slowly, so what works early on probably won't stick.
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Table Tennis actually plays considerably different from Tennis in Wii Sports. It's faster and has less to do with timing and more to do with spin. Also, it's singles rather than doubles, which changes the dynamic considerably.
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While the repackaging of Golf and Bowling may seem like cynical recycling and a money grab, while the games look the same the Motion Plus does change how they play considerably, and generally for the better. Golf is much more consistent in registering your swings and now detects if you're hooking or slicing on your stroke. Bowling is now considerably more realistic. With the original Wii Sports I'd gotten a formula down to get strikes pretty consistently, and would often bowl close to perfect games. With the Motion Plus however I score pretty much what I do in real life- a somewhat pathetic 120-150 on average. Also, bowling is a bit less finicky about your timing than it used to be.
That said, Yahtzee is perfectly correct in bashing Bicycling, Power Cruising, and Wakeboarding. They control awkwardly, and just aren't fun. The rest of the games have some entertainment value though.
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You mean you don't like jdfong and the ensuing antics?
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Actually in the case of ZP I don't mind as much. Its really become a reddit tradition. But click any random link in reddit, and you will see what I mean. Take, for example, the picture the other day about the guy at the Elk's lodge restroom, with all the naked women for wallpaper. When I clicked on the comments, I had to scroll almost 3/4 of the way down before the first comment was made regarding the wallpaper the pic was about. The top portion was full of comments about the guy in the pic, the Elks lodge, and bathrooms in general. Many redditors think they're clever by always discussing the non-obvious first, and then by the time all the replies come in, any actually relevant content is pushed way down.
It can be a bit annoying. Especially when its a serious subject. The main reason I love reddit, is not because I find cool shit, its the discussion. But lately the actual discussion has taken a back seat to jokes, memes, and puns.
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Click the [-] button on the first reply in any discussion and that will take care of a lot of what you're complaining about. I do it myself now. Those jokes are rarely funny or worth reading anymore.
Still, I can't help but think that seeing that at the top of every single discussion probably turns off some people stopping by who would contribute some extremely interesting discussion, if they only knew it existed.
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Oh no. Now look what you've done to the comment on the actual content...
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Redditors may think they're clever by discussing non-obvious things, but other Redditors actually upvote them. I think what most Redditors think is "relevant" can vary considerably from what the submitter thinks, and I think that's a good thing.
We're never told what to care about, we care about what we want to care about.
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You scroll? I just collapse comments until I can't take it anymore.
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See the [-]? Use it.
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I disagree. Bicycling is the only game I have seen nearly universally panned, with the exception of the a few people who probably represent the crazies, masochists, and those of bad taste.
The rest of the games have been applauded or panned. I suspect this has something to do with these games being a bit closer to reality, where people have preferences and skills that might incline them towards a certain activity, or not.
Upvoted on your specific points.
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I actually like the Power Cruising controls, but they made it a bit too hard with all the waves they put in.
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Wait, so Golf uses the exact same maps from Wii Sports?
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It has all of the holes from the original game plus 9 new ones, for 18 holes total.
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Golf has 9 new holes, plus the 9 holes from Wii Sports for 18 holes, and I heard you get 3 more if you get a pro score, although that may just be a rumor.
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I got to pro status and haven't gotten the three bonus holes. I have no idea how to get them and it appears gamefaqs is similarly clueless.
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I think you might need to de each combination of game, so, play every 3 hole course, and both 9 hole courses, and the 18 hole game. I haven't tried this yet, but seems likely.
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Stop it, you're making humor cry.
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Anyone else notice that ZP videos are now supported here? Very cool.
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the day they did that all embeded inline videos stopped working for me on linux/opera 10
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Sounds like Opera's <iframe> support might be a little wonky. At the same time that I added ZP, I added:
- Vimeo
- Break.com
- TheOnion
- CollegeHumor
- FunnyOrDie
- ComedyCentral
- ColbertNation
- TheDailyShow
- LiveLeak
- DailyMotion
- Revver
- TheEscapist
- Justintv
- Soundcloud
...and the ability to extract embedded YouTube videos from blogs and the like. I also made it easier to write new ones in the future. The problem is, we don't really want to be directly embedding Flash from all of these sites, because that gives the target sites access to the DOM of the embedded page (so they'd be able to vote on your behalf, for instance). So we are now encasing these objects inside of <iframe>s so that they can't get into the DOM. It sounds like Opera isn't handling this very well.
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And you fucking removed it from the classic interface. For shame keltranis, for, shame.
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- That wasn't me, it was done in a different commit
- That was done because in order to add it, we had to go to a three-line format for compressed links. But when we did that, we got a bunch of complaints and demands to roll it back.
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I really like the new features, especially extracting videos from blogs. Nice work!
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The really cool part is that it totally devalues the adverts on blog spam that just uses youtube embeds
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Yeah, it's nice. I was using GreaseMonkey VideoEmbed to do this before but, this works well.
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You tube links work for me after clicking about 30 times to get the right point. There seems to be some kindof sticking with the mouse position or click detection on the embedded app.
the escapist player just wont work embedded for me at all though. It does sound like operas fault I have to say
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I didn't notice you put in ZP embedded videos! Nicely done!
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Works for me Opera 10/win32
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Same here. Opera 10 beta 2, to be more specific.
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are you using the standard reddit format or the classic format?
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Hm?
EDIT: Ah, only when you have the "this is the big, kludgy, Digg-like Reddit!" feature enabled.
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Whenever I log off and it switches back to the normal frontpage view, I yelp.
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no
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I, as well, desire a controller made of fruit.
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I'm going to regret posting this, but when I passed out literally in the middle of a drunken Call of Duty 4 match, my friends granted that wish;
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YES. You will be the next victim of our 4koma image macros. Expect an ED page soon with offensive comments about your weight, hair and sexuality.
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If you manage to pull that off, I expect to be notified of my impending humiliation. Send me a link :P
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Here. I have given you a range of amusing facial hair styles.
Feel the burn.
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get the fuck rid of that ugly ass beard man.
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Still waiting... :P
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It looks like you are grasping huge orange testicles.
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Your friends rock.
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Yeah, that was my reaction too. I was like "Wow, not only did you not draw on me like d-bags but you did something hilarious"
Apparently I didn't stir the whole time, even though they were laughing so hard they fell over.
I woke up at 5:30AM, still drunk out of my mind, grabbed my friends/neighbors from the floor and bathtub respectively and arranged a cab home.
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Meh. You can tell when he REALLY hates something and when he's just trolling. He should have waited for something to come along that he actually cared about. That one felt like his heart just wasn't in it.
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upvoted for completely unrelated thumbnail
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Yeah I'm super confused about it too.
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I bought wii resort on sunday and it's not too bad. My main complaint is that it just doesn't seem like I can physically get into any of these games as much as the original. Tennis, boxing, and especially home run derby just felt like you were way more involved. They re-did bowling and golf...I don't get why they didn't take the time to motion-plus'itize tennis and boxing as well.
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Punch-Out does this. And I am sure a full on tennis game is in the works.
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Virtua Tennis 2009 is out and uses Motion Plus
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Punch-Out doesn't support Wii Motion+ at all. EDIT: and actually, Wii Motion + launched last month with two tennis games (and a golf game for that matter), Virtua Tennis 2009 and Grand Slam Tennis. (Tiger Woods 10 being the golf game).
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ya i bought grand slam tennis and tiger woods just to try out motion+.
The accuracy of tiger w/ wii motion+ is amazing --absolutely captures just how worthless I am at real golf which I can respect and my friends that are actually decent golfers love it.
Grand slam on the other hand is very inconsistent with regard to the swing motion and the resulting spin on the shot. Anyone who has played tennis knows there's a big difference in how you hit a slice vs a top spin shot and it seems like you're just as likely to hit either most of the time. It's also really bad at lining you up for a forehand vs a backhand (and ya I could use the nunchuck, but I find the cord gets in the way of my wiimote swings).
Anyone played virtua tennis? I went with Grand Slam because it was better reviewed on Amazon.
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Tiger Woods with the plus is great - I can't putt to save my life and it captures that perfectly. :P
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It really just depends on how much you put into it. I could easily play tennis and baseball by just flicking my wrist. Boxing was more involved because it required more constant movement, although not big movement. Fencing is fun to get really involved with, and canoeing absolutely requires you to make big movements.
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i get giddy when these videos come out
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So the Wii is still nothing more than a casual-gamers playbox?
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Yes.
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Or a retro gamer wetdream.
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We call those emulators, the Wii is for the casual gamers who don't know what emulators are.
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The wii is for the people who want to do it the legal way (yes i know the emulators themselves are legal but the actual roms arent).
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or for the people who like to play the old games on a system instead of a laptop.
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Wah. 20 year old games are illegal to download.
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wait the fuck-ton of quarters, and <shutter> tokens, I fed those machines count for naught? :(
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I suppose you haven't heard how easy emulators are to install on the wii.
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Bullshit. Combine the wii with a retrozone nes or snes adaptor and just plug it into the TV.
Playing emulated games on the PC just doesn't feel the same.
I still own all my old systems, and a modded XBOX to emulate them on and I still enjoy the wii emulation some times.
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I have a modded Xbox as well, but the PC just does a better job. You can always hack a wiimote and a sixaxis to work under Linux via bluetooth. My old SmartJoy works wonders for PS2 controllers. There's adapters for most any system last I checked and I agree, console games need a controller. It just so happens the PC has tons of options in that department.
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Which means about 95% of them, and I don't blame them.
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You'd be wrong then, I can play Genesis, SNES and NES games on my DS. I get an awesome amount of enjoyment out of emulators, being able to play pretty much any game from the SNES, Genesis and NES back catalog at any time and anywhere is way better than being forced to have to sit in front of my TV playing them through an expensive console with piss poor games.
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Maybe, I enjoyed No More Heroes and Metroid Prime 3 though. Must have been a different console.
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There are good games for the Wii; there just aren't very many - certainly not very many exclusives. Most of the Wii's Library is made up of casual games and shovelware.
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I disagree with him, but still funny. The controls are simplified for the sake of ease for new people, but that makes sense.
Some of the games don't require any skill until you get to a high pro score, like sword fighting can be done by flailing like he said at the start, but once you play enough it gets really hard. You need to plan all of your actions carefully, and not make any mistakes.
The biggest flaw I see with the Wii Motion Plus is that it doesn't know where your body is. That means it gets confused if you move or make too large motions. Maybe some games will remedy this by having you put another Wii Motion Plus in your pocket or something.
All and all though I like the wii motion plus, although I think it's going to be hard to program for, since it's adding a huge amount of variables into the mix.
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Well all nintendo has to do is put a 3d motion sensor in the sensor bar. You might say they are copying microsoft on that but that wouldnt be right because other companies came up with the idea first and nintendo can license the tech from another company.
Also try turning on sensor bar help . that cuts down on the put the wii remote on a flat surface messages.
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I think you misunderstand how the sensor bar works. Its just a row of LED lights, the wiimote uses it to realign itself to stop the cummalative error problem of acceleramoters as well as to fine tune the aiming for the pointer capability. All the sensing happens in the wiimote not the sensor bar. Im not sure what you are suggesting, the only way to solve the not knowing where a human is in relation to the wiimote, is to use something like a depth recording camera such as natal (is this what you mean by 3d motion sensor?) Which would obviously be a ripoff of microsofts version and not a sensible solution.
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I don't think it's a problem with realignment as much as it's a problem with the wii not knowing where you are in relation to the remote. When you point at the screen and press a button, the wii knows where you are and what position you are roughly in. What they need is a second mini sensor that you can wear on your waist or something.
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Yeah thats quite a good idea. Just on the inside waist of your wii'ing arm would tell you a lot about how they were standing and holding the wiimote.
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They weren't using biplanes in the Pacific Theater in 1943. Aside from a few training aircraft and the Swordfish, the countries in question had progressed to monoplanes by the late 1930s.
That pissed me off. LEARN YOUR HISTORY, YAHTZEE.
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How dare he insult fencing!
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If Wii came out with a good Discs of Tron rewrite, I might consider soiling my gamer soul and picking one up. But considering the controller issues, I probably don't have to worry about that.
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It would have to include a walk-in cabinet for that full arcade Discs of Tron feel.
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I'm assuming since his hatred of the Wii is because of his hatred of motion control, then he will shit all over 360 Natal and PS3 motion controls as well? Or will we see in the end it's just a Nintendo hatred?
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He did bash on Natal at the end there, so it's really just motion controls in general he doesn't like. Yhatzee's no fan boy, he hates everything pretty equally. It's ironic that he calls for some "real" innovation at the end, when there really hasn't been any. PS3 and 360 games seem like linear progressions from PS2 games to me.
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It's ironic that he calls for some "real" innovation at the end, when there really hasn't been any. PS3 and 360 games seem like linear progressions from PS2 games to me.
Agreed 100%. Honestly, all I want is a plug in my head that connects me to a virtual world where I have super powers. How hard is that to accomplish????
I also agree with his hate for motion controls. I hate them.
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A VR interface that does not interface with a surgically embedded device, but is still extremely light and totally immersive is what you're looking for.
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At this point I'd be happy with something as cool as in Hackers.
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This is why I disagree with Yhatzee about motion control being a dead end. It's success with the Wii demonstrates to console developers that people want something different from their systems. Everybody, especially those in the video game industry, can see that motion control is limited. But it's still a significant step to move away from the easy and obvious toward something that attempts to be more immersive.
I think the Wii will prove to be a great catalyst for the emergence of new, innovative video game technologies.
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Really? Because it seems to be a catalyst for direct imitations.
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Give it time. We're still in the same generation of consoles.
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Didnt he shit all over Natal just then?
Of course he didnt even mention PS3 Magic Glow Dildo TM because it currently only exists as a tech demo.
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If he did I didn't catch it. Probably because I wasn't very attentive.
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Yahtzee do have a point about motion controls and their lack of force feedback. Now you (only) have sound and visual feedback, but the physical feedback adds a whole new dimension. I have actually tried haptic feedback and let me tell you, it is awesome!
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The original Punch-Out is better than the Wii one. Better sound effects too.
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your my hreo
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I never thought Wii Sports or this Resort thing should really count as a game since they're all just little minigames packaged with the console/Motion Plus. Best selling video game of all time my ass, people who bought Wii sports only got it because it came packaged with every console. And everyone who is getting/bought Wii Sports Resort bought it for the MotionPlus attachment.
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Does Wii Sports count as a game in Japan, where it's sold separately?
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No because in a game you can win, you can't win in WiiSports. It's more of a toybox than a game.
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That's funny, I've won plenty of games of Wii Bowling. Maybe you just suck at it?
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Is simcity not a game because you can't win?
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Simcity compared to wiisports? lol. You guys are unbelievable... I don't care if you had some great single experience with a wii game, it's a shit console that could have been done 10 years ago, it's online sucks, it has no storage solution, and the wiimote is an utter failure in "revolutionizing" anything. It's because Nintendo is overrated and past their prime, they can't even make a decent Zelda game anymore.. they have to ship off metroid because their programmers don't know much besides how to program stuff like Nintendogs and wiimusic. Super Mario Galaxy is the only game from Nintendo this gen that didn't underwhelm or have major glaring flaws.
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No, in a game you can play. Winning is not always in every game but playing is.
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What about The Game? You can't win that, you can only lose.
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Michael Douglas won.
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No, my opinion is the only valid one.
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If Wii Sports doesn't count as a game then I guess every Flash game or casual game that we play (most of which have considerably less than Wii Sports) is not really a game either? Perhaps there should be a new sub-genre: Things you play but, aren't games it could be called.
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I knew a year ago this guy is basically a moron and the people who take his reviews seriously are tards as well. Most of the time just do the opposite of his opinion, kinda like bill oreilly
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His cynicism is usually uncalled for, but it's always entertaining - that's the point of it. I don't think anyone watches Zero Punctuation for actual information, much like how nobody watches The O'Reilly Factor to brush up on being a douchebag.
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Agreed, ZP is purely entertainment. I don't agree sometimes but i laugh anyway because it is entertainment, we tune in every week to hear him rant on about a game every week, and it's funny. Same reason i watch Top Gear really, not for the cars, but the banter between the cast...
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nobody watches The O'Reilly Factor to brush up on being a douchebag.
There's any other reason to watch?
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You must really like your wee-wee...
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It's zero punctuation, but there's punctuation in the title. hahaha, im so original.
Oh, is it Wednesday already?
Every Wednesday someone astutely assumes the role of that guy. Today is your day to shine Torpov.
Every Wednesday, someone points out to "that guy" that he is filling a role. Today is your day futancy.
Every Wednesday, someone poi- no, we're not going down this road.
I wanna be the guy :(
It's high fucking time that we have an option on Reddit to flag repeats. I am sick of seeing repeat submittals every day on Reddit.
Something is wrong. Where are the upmods?! Ye gods is there nothing to believe in anymore?
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Thursday, actually. :P
Every Thursday, someone points out to "that guy" that it's Thursday in some parts of the world, and not Wednesday like it is in the States.
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Ah, the letters grow scarce, I see; the day of judgment gains sharply on our heels. Canst thou not sense the gathering of the storm? Despair, ye mortals, for the end of days is close at hand.
Either that or he'll just, y'know, stop.
I bet he'll link the first letter to the last comment which he used and the letters and use the rest as always. When it's full again, just repeat the process, making it somewhat binary-like.
My vote is he makes the punctuation links as well.
That buys him six more weeks at his current setup.
Edit: typo
Yeah but then they wouldn't be in order (unless he shuffles the current links around so they use the punctuation).
And also, leaving out the punctuation somewhat ties in with the whole "zero punctuation" thing.
He has stated that he will not
Two weeks, Mr Fong.
The end is nigh.
This is in fact the anti-penultimate week of this meme .
Three. He can still use the punctuation mark. I think... Hold on let me test.
edit: yup
As part of the joke, he doesn't use the punctuation marks. As you can see, he hasn't used any of the previous punctuation marks as links, either!
What if you had to do this without relying on your previous comments which already contain all the links? How long would that take you?
I could have used my previous comments, of course!! Dammit, why didn't I think of that??
you must be kidding.... I hope ?
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Soon the torch will be passed to the Oh is it Wednesday guy.
when you run out, he should stop making videos....only fair
You could have taken out one "ha" and had your entire comment a links.
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I wonder what will happen when you run out of letters...
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One day you will die. I will be happy when you die.